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    Ancient's Ships

    That we know of the ancients had these types of ships. Puddle Jumper: Reconnaissance and close range combat. Assault Ship (as seen in 'This Mortal Coil'): Medium sized assault vehicle. Aurora class battleship: Main ship used by the ancients for battle with their enemies. City Ship: Ship used to house millions of ancients.

    But if the ancients were so technologically advanced why not have more ships and why havent we seen older models?? it really makes no sense.

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    #2
    Because most of the Ancient fleet got owned by the Waith and the rest would be spread across Pegasus.
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      #3
      From what I can tell, the Ancients reached a certain technological plateau above which they didn't want to acsend for whatever reason. So the technology would have stayed consistent for thousands if not millions of years while still being advanced enough to allow them to conduct very high tech experiments.

      This is the only explanation I've been able to come up with for their continued use of relatively primitive technology, like screens and buttons.

      Consider the exponential technological evolution of mankind over four thousand years, and think about what we could do in fifty million.

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        #4
        All of the older ships has fallen appart and is probopley debres by now.
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          #5
          They were arrogant. So when their technology reached a certain level that was superior to everybody else they became lazy and decided not to upgrade further, I mean what is the point? That's my thought anyway. That and if they did have 'older models' they would of been destroyed early on in the Wraith war. Actually probably the only reason they upgraded their tech was to combat the Wraith, and once the war began supplies would of been diminished or almost impossible to get a hold of so they couldn't build newer better ships and were stuck with the one's they already had!
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            #6
            i think that most ancient development either came after teh ancients returned(seeing as they are the roman gods, they were around for more then 8000 years after their return) and before they left, when the ancients fled from the plague they had to leave a lot of tech behind, and in Atlantis they didnt bother re-researching because they just tried to ascend. When they returned they found some of their old tech and created the alliance of 4 great races(remember, the Asgard didnt have intergalactial hyperdrives untill 30000 years ago, and at that point the ancients were still in pegasus, and i doubt the alliance had "low-tech" races
            With the assistance of the nox and perhaps the Furlings, the remaining ancients ascended around 2000 years ago

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              #7
              i concur with the posting saying that the ancients became lazy (i would even say that they degenerated into a passive race (they could not have won the wraith war, they were to lazy to even really try (at least most of them, some, like the Aurora's crew and the inventor with the Ataro device at least tried, but the rest? no, not really, they were loosers hell bent on ascention....i can even proof that: The ascended ancients are mostly lazy creatures (i do not count Orlin, Morgan le Fay, Merlin (who sadly is dead now -.-) and Omaa into this, as they are quite active) that made the stupid rule not to interfere in order to do nothing, even if they made misstakes that did threaten us in the first place (not killing the Ori and Anubis), they even punish people of their "club" if they do not heed the rules, wether they signed up for them or not (Daniel never agreed to heed them before he was ascended), even if they made the misstake in the first place (trying to descend anubis, not managing it and then not trying further)...

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              ps: for older ships: They got destroyed in the War (with the ancients even being to lazy to save the last transport arriving at atlantis, how could they have saved their fleet? I am mean, they could have escorted the Transport (with all Jumpers from atlantis, even 1 or 2 hives would have a problem with those, if they had waited for the transport, cloaked)....even better: Who travels in an unarmed transport-ship while a full scale war is going on? - i would not, rather use the stargate or other means of travel)

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                #8
                Well, IMO, at the time the Lanteans didn't really have the enemies or even many other races to interact with. The majority of races in the MW and PG were introduced by them so the development of ships didn’t need to progress.

                The gate network allowed travellers to traverse the vast distances without the use of ships, the only needed ships for science. The progression and deployment of defensive vessels would have only taken place during the Wraith war, as far as we know.

                I’m still unsure if the ship seen in this mortal coil was a lantean design, it could have been pure Asuran. Before you begin with “The Asurans’ copied Lantean designs!” the Asuran homeworld was quite different from just Atlantis. They dwarfed their city ship with a mammoth sprawling metropolis; they could have just produced a different design.

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                  #9
                  Why do they need ships, they can just walk almost everywhere. As for different types, they already have the equivalents of a mini, a hatchback, a van and a lorry, what else do you need? They didn't think in terms of warfare, the thought in terms of carrying capacity because they were a peaceful race. They probably built/designed their whole fleet in one go and just left it like that. If they ever came up with something useful they could retrofit the whole fleet. The Ford transit van or a Humvee are the perfect examples of how the ancients probably treated their ships, basic models which can be modified easily in order to fit a given role.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Merlin1701 View Post
                    I’m still unsure if the ship seen in this mortal coil was a lantean design, it could have been pure Asuran. Before you begin with “The Asurans’ copied Lantean designs!” the Asuran homeworld was quite different from just Atlantis. They dwarfed their city ship with a mammoth sprawling metropolis; they could have just produced a different design.
                    I think it was an Ancient design, because as you said they copied Ancient technology.
                    I think they have a huge metropolis of City Ships, because they were stayed on only one planet.
                    Who knows maybe Ancients used this kind of formation too.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by HunGripen View Post
                      I think they have a huge metropolis of City Ships, because they were stayed on only one planet.
                      It wasn't a metropolis of cityships, it was a single city ship surrounded by a large metropolis.
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                        #12
                        With whatever ships the Ancients possessed before the war with the Wraith they could have just dismantled those ships and used their materials to make whatever new ships and devices like the satellite weapons that they needed for the war.
                        TBH I don't see the Ancients actually having that large a fleet, I mean they didn't need it in the beginning of the war and when the Wraith population exploded and they created more ships to fight the Ancients then Ancients would have been entirely unprepared which IMO makes sense for the Wraith to have been able to defeat them.

                        Even ZPMless Auroras seem entirely capable to me at least of defeating entire fleets of Hives and Cruisers with relative ease in seconds, any lesser vessels that the Ancients had left over could have been destroyed by the Wraith or it may be that any that are left over are just hidden in secret Ancient facilities like the bunker in Inferno (season 2 of SGA) around the Pegasus galaxy.
                        The Ancients were in the Pegasus galaxy for 5 to 10 million years, any facilities they had to store ships could be detailed in the database, but since there's probably way too much data to go over the Atlantis SG expedition probably just hasn't found them yet.

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                          #13
                          you don't have to read all that data, you can QUERY by Question, that DB has to have an Index of some kind...i'd say that this is a plothole (as otherwise the team would have gone from ancient base to ancient base (except when they needed food in their first year)....)

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                          ps: I would say that the ancients did have war vessels before the Ancient/Wraith war, but few (1 in 20 ships or so, or even less)

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Laxian of Earth View Post
                            you don't have to read all that data, you can QUERY by Question, that DB has to have an Index of some kind...i'd say that this is a plothole (as otherwise the team would have gone from ancient base to ancient base (except when they needed food in their first year)....)
                            I realize you don't have to check every single part of the database, but if it was all that easy the Atlantis expedition would have found everything of importance in the Pegasus galaxy by now.
                            My point is that even by narrowing the search parameters down and even if you know what certain pieces of Ancient technology are called in their own language there's still a massive amount of data to sieve through, probably way more than even any number of people available to spare from Earth could go through in a thousand lifetimes.
                            greetings LAX
                            ps: I would say that the ancients did have war vessels before the Ancient/Wraith war, but few (1 in 20 ships or so, or even less)
                            I doubt the Ancients had more than a dozen or so dedicated ships for warfare during the war and TBH whilst Aurora's are fleet killers when facing the Wraith they aren't really what I would call a warship, I mean they don't have every effective piece of Ancient weapons technology and I doubt the Ancients considered them to be warships either.
                            Auroras are IMO a general multipurpose vessel, for exploration, investigation and defense, their size probably allows them to carry a huge arsenal of Drones, with the possibility of a similar form of energy weapons to what the Asuran's Auroras appeared to have but I still wouldn't say they were all the Ancients were capable of making for war if they wanted.

                            Warships too me at least just don't seem to be the Ancient's style.
                            Last edited by Rise Of The Phoenix; 15 February 2009, 01:29 PM.

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                              #15
                              not their style? well, maybe right (damn lazy pacifists that they have become, surely they were more active once, in order to really explore the galaxy you have to have another mindset then the ancients during that time had -.-)

                              as for the database: Why not translate it? (with an AI doing it (programmed by McKay and Sam with the help of Daniel) it would not take that long (maybe a month for the whole DB, maybe you could input it into one of the Asgard Cores (all of the Daedalus-Ships now seem to have them) and let it translate the Database, it seems to be an AI and the Asgard understood ancient, so why shouldn't it? and then a search with narrow patterns (you could even pre-search while translating))

                              greetings LAX

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