Odyssey's Secret Mission? Dun Dun DUN!

[bentdog]

At one point they say that the Odyssey is on a super secret mission, do you guys think this might have anything to do with SGU?
If not what do you guys think it was doing that was such big a secret?

[naonak77]

they just wrote it like that because the Odyssey has a ZPM and it would have been able to take out the hive, they needed it out of there for a better story.

[Ranlier]

...also because they needed a plausible reason SG-1 was unavailable, since their actors were.

[Blistna]

At one point they say that the Odyssey is on a super secret mission, do you guys think this might have anything to do with SGU?
If not what do you guys think it was doing that was such big a secret?


...also because they needed a plausible reason SG-1 was unavailable, since their actors were.

...plus there is a third SG-1 movie being written and I bet you The Odyssey is part of it....maybe the third SG-1 movie is happening during the Series Finale of Atlantis...?

[amconway]

Well, they did need the Odyssey to be unavailable for the plot to work, but I bet the mission is either setting up SGU or the third movie. I'm betting SGU. I think the third movie will have something to do with Carter's new ship, the General Hammond.


...plus there is a third SG-1 movie being written and I bet you The Odyssey is part of it....maybe the third SG-1 movie is happening during the Series Finale of Atlantis...?

Stargate time have always been in real time, to this point, so I kind of doubt it. Could be wrong though.

[kennythewraith]

well amc conway,continuum took place after this seasons premiere so it could be out looking for the sgu team or dealing with the sg1 movie or they could be looking for the furlings!!!!!! but who knows maybe well find out

[Blistna]

Stargate time have always been in real time, to this point, so I kind of doubt it. Could be wrong though.

What do you mean, in real time? They have made these types of tie in's before, with Sam leaving for the thing with Ba'al and at the same time being taken away from Atlantis...

If your talking about Sam, for all we know Sam won't be in the next movie, or if she is wont be with SG-1 when they go on the top secret mission. Who knows?

But not sure what you mean by real time... :cool: All is cool, just defending my position :-)

[amconway]

What do you mean, in real time? They have made these types of tie in's before, with Sam leaving for the thing with Ba'al and at the same time being taken away from Atlantis...

If your talking about Sam, for all we know Sam won't be in the next movie, or if she is wont be with SG-1 when they go on the top secret mission. Who knows?

But not sure what you mean by real time...

Current time would probably be a better way to put it... The release of Continuum was considerably delayed ( I think it had to do with MGM and marketing, but I'm not sure)-it kind of messed up the time line.


All is cool, just defending my position :-)

But of course! : )

[Major_Griff]

regarding timelines, the SG-1 S9 and SGA S2 timelines were out of wack for the first few episodes for each season, it wouldn't be the first time they did something like that.

[amconway]

It just occurred to me, that it doesn't really matter, because we don't know how long the mission might be. And of course, I am arguing for time continuity in Scifi, where time can be a rather fluid thing. ;) Let's just say that it will be the movie, or SGU, or.... both!

[Khentkawes]

...plus there is a third SG-1 movie being written and I bet you The Odyssey is part of it....maybe the third SG-1 movie is happening during the Series Finale of Atlantis...?

I was thinking along those lines. I hope it comes up in the third movie.


Well, they did need the Odyssey to be unavailable for the plot to work, but I bet the mission is either setting up SGU or the third movie. I'm betting SGU. I think the third movie will have something to do with Carter's new ship, the General Hammond.

I hope not. To both actually. I'd rather have the Odyssey connected with the SG-1 movie than with Universe (although, I agree that Universe seems slightly more likely). I don't want the third SG-1 movie to focus on Carter's new ship. That just doesn't interest me or seem to have much to do with the SG-1 team, since it's Carter's command. It would make for a great Carter-centric movie, but not really a "team" movie. The Odyssey, however, has direct ties to the SG-1 team, considering it has the Asgard core. And, as someone pointed out, if SG-1 was off with the Odyssey's secret mission that would explain their conspicuous absence here.

[Shpinxinator]

I was thinking along those lines. I hope it comes up in the third movie.



I hope not. To both actually. I'd rather have the Odyssey connected with the SG-1 movie than with Universe (although, I agree that Universe seems slightly more likely). I don't want the third SG-1 movie to focus on Carter's new ship. That just doesn't interest me or seem to have much to do with the SG-1 team, since it's Carter's command. It would make for a great Carter-centric movie, but not really a "team" movie. The Odyssey, however, has direct ties to the SG-1 team, considering it has the Asgard core. And, as someone pointed out, if SG-1 was off with the Odyssey's secret mission that would explain their conspicuous absence here.

By SG-1 you meann........Daniel? O'Neill is hoydy toydy general and carter was on command of the SGC...Teal'c is probley back with Jaffa...again...

[amconway]

By SG-1 you meann........Daniel? O'Neill is hoydy toydy general and carter was on command of the SGC...Teal'c is probley back with Jaffa...again...

They're writers. Finding ways to make this stuff happen is what they do. Who is there is who they say is there.

[Khentkawes]

By SG-1 you meann........Daniel? O'Neill is hoydy toydy general and carter was on command of the SGC...Teal'c is probley back with Jaffa...again...

um... no. I mean Mitchell, Daniel, Teal'c, and Vala. Yes, Teal'c could be off with the Jaffa. But in the past, he has usually returned to Earth to help with defense if there was a major threat.

[Shpinxinator]

They're writers. Finding ways to make this stuff happen is what they do. Who is there is who they say is there.

I'm just saying SG-1 as we knew it doesn't exist anymore

[amconway]

um... no. I mean Mitchell, Daniel, Teal'c, and Vala. Yes, Teal'c could be off with the Jaffa. But in the past, he has usually returned to Earth to help with defense if there was a major threat.

Uh, you know Jack is in this movie, right?
You folks may also have noticed that Sam had an SG-1 patch on her sleeve, not an SGC patch.

[Khentkawes]

Uh, you know Jack is in this movie, right?
You folks may also have noticed that Sam had an SG-1 patch on her sleeve, not an SGC patch.

Yes, I know Jack is in the third SG1 movie. But I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here. :confused:

I just stated the names of the absent members of SG-1 and mentioned that I hope they were on the Odyssey and somehow connected to its "secret mission."

And I didn't notice that Sam was wearing an SG-1 patch. Huh. Cool. Thanks for pointing it out.

[amconway]

Yes, I know Jack is in the third SG1 movie. But I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here.

I just stated the names of the absent members of SG-1 and mentioned that I hope they were on the Odyssey and somehow connected to its "secret mission."

And I didn't notice that Sam was wearing an SG-1 patch. Huh. Cool. Thanks for pointing it out.

Ohhhh... Sorry, I misunderstood. Folks were speculating that the seret mission was the plot of the third movie, I thought that's what you were talking about... Doesn't mean that the mission couldn't be the start of the movie, or something that happens to set it up, though...

Yeah, I was pleased to see that patch...

[Khentkawes]

Ohhhh... Sorry, I misunderstood. Folks were speculating that the seret mission was the plot of the third movie, I thought that's what you were talking about... Doesn't mean that the mission couldn't be the start of the movie, or something that happens to set it up, though...

Yeah, I was pleased to see that patch...

Oh! That's what you meant. No apology necessary. We're on the same page now. :) You're right, it could still be set-up or something... or if it's a long term mission, Jack could join them later (and the movie could begin from there).

Since they couldn't recall the Odyssey for help, I guess that means that either a.) this mission is fate-of-the-galaxy kind of important, b.) the Odyssey is out of contact due to distance or some other factor, or c.) the Odyssey is on some kind of long term mission that they can't abandon. At least, those are the only explanations I could come up with.

I did find it weird that they mentioned this secret mission and then... nothing. I kept waiting for the Odyssey to show up or something. It actually distracted me for a while because I was so busy trying to figure out why they bothered to mention it.

[amconway]

Since they couldn't recall the Odyssey for help, I guess that means that either a.) this mission is fate-of-the-galaxy kind of important, b.) the Odyssey is out of contact due to distance or some other factor, or c.) the Odyssey is on some kind of long term mission that they can't abandon. At least, those are the only explanations I could come up with.

I did find it weird that they mentioned this secret mission and then... nothing. I kept waiting for the Odyssey to show up or something. It actually distracted me for a while because I was so busy trying to figure out why they bothered to mention it.

I think you have it right about the reasons the Odyssey couldn't show up. It had to make them entirely unable to reture/be reached in time because, hey, imminent destruction of the Earth would top pretty much anything, except maybe imminent destruction of the galaxy/universe.

I thought SGU or third movie right away. The way they mentioned it just screamed 'foreshadowing'... ; )

[Khentkawes]

I thought SGU or third movie right away. The way they mentioned it just screamed 'foreshadowing'... ; )

It did scream foreshadowing! The problem was, I sat there going "okay, waiting for the foreshadowing to come back... where's the Odyssey?...isn't it coming?"

...and I'm still waiting... ;) apparently I'm going to be waiting until either SGU or the next SG-1 movie. At least it's something to look forward to. :)

[adamisme]

it was a quite foreshadowing, presumably wherever the ship was, the SG1 members that were around presumably were with the Oddessey and maybe it has to do with the 3rd Movie. Maybe how SG1's last episodes of season 7 led into Atlantis with the discovery of the Ancient episode is how they're going to do Universe

And on sidepoint, not the most reliable source is Wikipedia but I'm sure it said something about Claudia Black not being in it?

[amconway]

It did scream foreshadowing! The problem was, I sat there going "okay, waiting for the foreshadowing to come back... where's the Odyssey?...isn't it coming?"

...and I'm still waiting... apparently I'm going to be waiting until either SGU or the next SG-1 movie. At least it's something to look forward to.

Anticipation just makes the payoff greater. ; )


And on sidepoint, not the most reliable source is Wikipedia but I'm sure it said something about Claudia Black not being in it?

Yep. Brad Wright mentioned it in a Q&A. Whatever the plot is, it would seem to be something that doesn't lend itself to Vala being there.

[HunGripen]

um... no. I mean Mitchell, Daniel, Teal'c, and Vala. Yes, Teal'c could be off with the Jaffa.

As I know Vala won't be in the 3rd SG-1 movie. For what reason I don't know but it was stated by the writers.

[Shan Bruce Lee]

It's either for SG-1 or SGU

[jakebolt]

Has anyone else tryed to figure out what the secret mission was that the Odessy was on? And does anyone think it has to do with the Destiny?

[donutman925]

I think you are spot on. I'll bet it has to do with SGU.

[knowles2]

My guest it either SGU or SG1 film .
I am going to side with the SG1 film for now has it would make more sense as they want make SGU independent of the current shows. And SG1 have not really got any enemies to fight in the next film and the odyssey secret mission could be a nice introduction.

[bentdog]

I made a post about this too I think it does have something to do with SGU.
http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=62901

[Blistna]

I was thinking along those lines. I hope it comes up in the third movie.



I hope not. To both actually. I'd rather have the Odyssey connected with the SG-1 movie than with Universe (although, I agree that Universe seems slightly more likely). I don't want the third SG-1 movie to focus on Carter's new ship. That just doesn't interest me or seem to have much to do with the SG-1 team, since it's Carter's command. It would make for a great Carter-centric movie, but not really a "team" movie. The Odyssey, however, has direct ties to the SG-1 team, considering it has the Asgard core. And, as someone pointed out, if SG-1 was off with the Odyssey's secret mission that would explain their conspicuous absence here.

Just wanted to put my two cents here. I think it would be great if Carter's ship was also in the next movie, however...

About the third movie. It's suppose to be a Jack centric movie. So...who knows? I still hope that they tie it in somewhere, hopefully with the movie.

[amconway]

I don't want the third SG-1 movie to focus on Carter's new ship. That just doesn't interest me or seem to have much to do with the SG-1 team, since it's Carter's command. It would make for a great Carter-centric movie, but not really a "team" movie. The Odyssey, however, has direct ties to the SG-1 team, considering it has the Asgard core. And, as someone pointed out, if SG-1 was off with the Odyssey's secret mission that would explain their conspicuous absence here.

I have no preference as to the Odyssey or the General Hammond of the third movie. Either would be interesting-wherever they are, it will be interesting. ; )

Being someplace doesn't necessarily mean a focus on it. Saying that being on the General Hammond means that there won't be much SG-1 is a bit like saying it's a Danielcentric movie if it takes place in a ruin. It's only that if that's what the writers focus on. They don't have to, and surely wouldn't. Team is SG-1 working together, banter, and character interaction, not location. I do think they are on the Odyssey at of the time of 'Enemy at the Gate'.

[Major_Griff]

My guest it either SGU or SG1 film .
I am going to side with the SG1 film for now has it would make more sense as they want make SGU independent of the current shows. And SG1 have not really got any enemies to fight in the next film and the odyssey secret mission could be a nice introduction.

Hopefully both!

[digitalred93]

If the secret mission has to do with the SG-1 flick, it can only be tangentially or Sam won't be a major player in the film... and that just doesn't make sense.

I suspect it's a seed for SGU as well.

[knowles2]

If the secret mission has to do with the SG-1 flick, it can only be tangentially or Sam won't be a major player in the film... and that just doesn't make sense.

I suspect it's a seed for SGU as well.

Unless mitchell and Jackson was the one on the odyssey and it Sam and O'neil who are the ones who will lead the rescue op.

[Khentkawes]

Being someplace doesn't necessarily mean a focus on it. Saying that being on the General Hammond means that there won't be much SG-1 is a bit like saying it's a Danielcentric movie if it takes place in a ruin. It's only that if that's what the writers focus on. They don't have to, and surely wouldn't. Team is SG-1 working together, banter, and character interaction, not location. I do think they are on the Odyssey at of the time of 'Enemy at the Gate'.

True. The writers do get to choose what they focus on, regardless of which ship they are using... I just think that if any ship is going to play a significant role in the movie, the Odyssey makes more sense.

Plus, you're more optimistic than I am about the third movie actually being a "team" movie, whereas I get the feeling it might not be, so I'm jumping at shadows because now I'm paranoid. ;) So just excuse my paranoia for the time being.

[amconway]

True. The writers do get to choose what they focus on, regardless of which ship they are using... I just think that if any ship is going to play a significant role in the movie, the Odyssey makes more sense.

They are probably on the Odyssey-it's the only reason they wouldn't have been joining in the defense of Earth, but that doesn't mean the General Hammond won't be involved as well. It depends on if they want Sam's departure from the team (in name if not in result) to assume command to be part of the plot of the movie.

[aweeasian]

We've heard from Joe Mallozzi's blog that this is going to be a Jack-centric movie and that Vala will not be present. So it goes to show that the old Sg-1 is back!!! YEAAhh.

I'm pretty sure that the Odyssey's mission relates to SGU. They can't have a movie without Carter, and she was back on earth in EATG. Perhaps Daniel found a tablet somewhere describing where they can find a way to get to the Destiny. Or they're going to set up an off-world base for that purpose.

[amconway]

I'm pretty sure that the Odyssey's mission relates to SGU. They can't have a movie without Carter, and she was back on earth in EATG. Perhaps Daniel found a tablet somewhere describing where they can find a way to get to the Destiny. Or they're going to set up an off-world base for that purpose.

That's definately possible. Of course, it could still relate to the third movie if what they are doing sets up the plot for the movie. Say, the movie begins on the Odyssey as they return from their mission having discovered... whatever.

[Col.Foley]

I have come to the conclusion that it is indeed about the third movie, for a lot of different reasons. They were on a secret mission at the time that no one was supposed to know about, now why would it have to relate with the Destiny in that case? Two, it was unavailable to fight the Wraith, which means they were out of the Galaxt, more then likely, adn could not be contacted by Earth. And. SG-1 for the majority was not there. How that relates is that they could be planning on picking her up later, or even waiting until she can come with the Hammond. Now the only thing I can think of that would require it to be a secret mission, and one that they could not recall her from it, would be something that relates with the ori galaxy.

[amconway]

I have come to the conclusion that it is indeed about the third movie, for a lot of different reasons. They were on a secret mission at the time that no one was supposed to know about, now why would it have to relate with the Destiny in that case? Two, it was unavailable to fight the Wraith, which means they were out of the Galaxt, more then likely, adn could not be contacted by Earth. And. SG-1 for the majority was not there. How that relates is that they could be planning on picking her up later, or even waiting until she can come with the Hammond. Now the only thing I can think of that would require it to be a secret mission, and one that they could not recall her from it, would be something that relates with the ori galaxy.

Now that's an interesting thought. Very interesting. The only downside I can see to it is that the writers didn't see a place for Vala in the third movie script, and there would be nothing about that which precludes Vala's involvement. If fact, I would think that she would want to see how Tomin was doing with his attempts to put things to rights.

Perhaps all of your above suppositions, but in a new galaxy entirely? But again, why wouldn't Vala be involved in that? Of course, whatever they are doing on the Odyssey isn't necessarily where the movie would start. It might be background...

[Col.Foley]

Now that's an interesting thought. Very interesting. The only downside I can see to it is that the writers didn't see a place for Vala in the third movie script, and there would be nothing about that which precludes Vala's involvement. If fact, I would think that she would want to see how Tomin was doing with his attempts to put things to rights.

Perhaps all of your above suppositions, but in a new galaxy entirely? But again, why wouldn't Vala be involved in that? Of course, whatever they are doing on the Odyssey isn't necessarily where the movie would start. It might be background...
It probably will be back ground. And maybe that is the exact reason why Vala will not be on it, why could they not have dropped her off to see Tomin every once and a while as they go and complete the rest of their mission. Because I think that would also add to the fact that it would be a 'mission' mission implies a specific intent and objective.

[amconway]

It probably will be back ground. And maybe that is the exact reason why Vala will not be on it, why could they not have dropped her off to see Tomin every once and a while as they go and complete the rest of their mission. Because I think that would also add to the fact that it would be a 'mission' mission implies a specific intent and objective.

Ah! Objections withdrawn, then! Good theory.

[Col.Foley]

Ah! Objections withdrawn, then! Good theory.
And it is one that comes from my own personal bias. I would love to see a movie that deals with the aftermath and affects of the Ori no longer being actually around, what would happen? would people try and gain a new power? And the SGC would feel compelled since they would have basically have created that situation that would happen. I do not know why Tomin would not participate, but that would explain Vala's absence.

[lordofseas]

And it is one that comes from my own personal bias. I would love to see a movie that deals with the aftermath and affects of the Ori no longer being actually around, what would happen? would people try and gain a new power? And the SGC would feel compelled since they would have basically have created that situation that would happen. I do not know why Tomin would not participate, but that would explain Vala's absence. A power vacuum, like when the Goa'uld were decimated.

[Col.Foley]

A power vacuum, like when the Goa'uld were decimated.
Precisely. And quite a large one too.
And also their still exists one with the jaffa.

[lordofseas]

Precisely. And quite a large one too.
And also their still exists one with the jaffa.
Yes, but the Jaffa have gotten some sense of stability, however weak. The gap left by the Ori would be far harder to fill, due to the longevity of their reign compared to the Goa'uld.

[amconway]

And it is one that comes from my own personal bias. I would love to see a movie that deals with the aftermath and affects of the Ori no longer being actually around, what would happen? would people try and gain a new power? And the SGC would feel compelled since they would have basically have created that situation that would happen. I do not know why Tomin would not participate, but that would explain Vala's absence.

How would you see Jack being involved?

[Col.Foley]

Yes, but the Jaffa have gotten some sense of stability, however weak. The gap left by the Ori would be far harder to fill, due to the longevity of their reign compared to the Goa'uld.
The one thing I am wondering, which I think will be what the team will have to deal with, don't the Priors still have their powers. My guess is they are going to try and set up shop on their own, and fight over things, and several of them trying to do evil things.

[Col.Foley]

How would you see Jack being involved?
I have not thought about it. :o yet...although he is the highest ranking official on the planet now, so maybe....

[amconway]

The one thing I am wondering, which I think will be what the team will have to deal with, don't the Priors still have their powers. My guess is they are going to try and set up shop on their own, and fight over things, and several of them trying to do evil things.

I always figured that their power would be gone with the Ori. How do you see that continuing?

[Col.Foley]

I always figured that their power would be gone with the Ori. How do you see that continuing?
I do onot know, but I see no reason why their powers would still not be there. It is like with the Kull warriors, Anubus was removed for a time but they still had fighting ability. I think that the priors would still have their powers. I mean after all, their powers worked in the Milky Way, and the powers of the ori did not extend into our galaxy because of the Ancients. If tehre was that much of a connection they would have lost their powers upon entering our galaxy.

[amconway]

I do onot know, but I see no reason why their powers would still not be there. It is like with the Kull warriors, Anubus was removed for a time but they still had fighting ability. I think that the priors would still have their powers. I mean after all, their powers worked in the Milky Way, and the powers of the ori did not extend into our galaxy because of the Ancients. If tehre was that much of a connection they would have lost their powers upon entering our galaxy.

Not sure I agree with you there. The Kull Warriors mainly depended on their armor and weaponry, although they were very tough.

With the Priors, I think it was that they were channelling the power of the Ori, and the genetic changes allowed them to do this, rather than actually giving them power of their own. The Ori were all about keeping the power for themselves. I don't see them sharing it with anyone, even those under their control.

[Col.Foley]

Not sure I agree with you there. The Kull Warriors mainly depended on their armor and weaponry, although they were very tough.

With the Priors, I think it was that they were channelling the power of the Ori, and the genetic changes allowed them to do this, rather than actually giving them power of their own. The Ori were all about keeping the power for themselves. I don't see them sharing it with anyone, even those under their control.
But then they would have lost that power when they crossed the edge of the Milky Way.

[amconway]

But then they would have lost that power when they crossed the edge of the Milky Way.

Good point. I don't have an answer to that... Unless Adria was somehow able to embody their power, but no, she was an infant when they first crossed over... I may have to concede. ; )

[Col.Foley]

Good point. I don't have an answer to that... Unless Adria was somehow able to embody their power, but no, she was an infant when they first crossed over... I may have to concede. ; )
Well there is a first time for everything, people actually conceding to me. :P

[amconway]

Well there is a first time for everything, people actually conceding to me.
Lol! Logic is clearly on your side. : )

[Col.Foley]

Lol! Logic is clearly on your side. : )
:lol:
That is quite a rarity too. :P

[amconway]

That is quite a rarity too.

Now really Lol! :D

[_Ancients_]

At one point they say that the Odyssey is on a super secret mission, do you guys think this might have anything to do with SGU?
If not what do you guys think it was doing that was such big a secret?

At first I thought SGU, but now I think it probably has to with the next SG1 movie.

[amconway]

At first I thought SGU, but now I think it probably has to with the next SG1 movie.

There's always the possibility that there is some crossover, and that the mission will end up relating to both. Maybe they are setting up a big arc that will affect everything...

[_Ancients_]

There's always the possibility that there is some crossover, and that the mission will end up relating to both. Maybe they are setting up a big arc that will affect everything...


That is also a possibility!

[nx01a]

Well... Jack was conspicuously missing. Maybe he's aboard the Odyssey on its super secret mission.

[_Ancients_]

Well... Jack was conspicuously missing. Maybe he's aboard the Odyssey on its super secret mission.

That's what I am thinking too.

[amconway]

Well... Jack was conspicuously missing. Maybe he's aboard the Odyssey on its super secret mission.
Nope, don't think so. He's the one that wanted Sheppard to use the chair and had him called back from Atlantis. Whatever the taskforce was that involved Landry probably had Jack in Washington, too. The whole ting went down to fast for them to have got to Colorado in time.

[Amaunet]

My immediate guess was something do to with the third SG1 movie, it’s pure speculation but currently it seems to be the most logical reason.

[boyd18]

the best explanation i think is they just needed the Odyssey out of the way...the Odyssey was able to take down 2 Ori motherships in unending and its shields were able to withstand continuous pounding by 4 Ori motherships for who knows how long...

if Odyssey was in orbit when that supercharged hive showed up it wouldn't have had any trouble taking down that hive...

[Col.Foley]

the best explanation i think is they just needed the Odyssey out of the way...the Odyssey was able to take down 2 Ori motherships in unending and its shields were able to withstand continuous pounding by 4 Ori motherships for who knows how long...

if Odyssey was in orbit when that supercharged hive showed up it wouldn't have had any trouble taking down that hive...If it did the theme to the show down should have been the good the bad and the ugly. :P

[nx01a]

Nope, don't think so. He's the one that wanted Sheppard to use the chair and had him called back from Atlantis. Whatever the taskforce was that involved Landry probably had Jack in Washington, too. The whole ting went down to fast for them to have got to Colorado in time.I was more thinking 'subspace communication from the other side of the Milky Way while on super secret mission'. If getting from Washington to Colorado is a problem for the AIR FORCE:P with their 302s and normal supersonic craft, it's sad that getting someone from another galaxy was easier.

[amconway]

I was more thinking 'subspace communication from the other side of the Milky Way while on super secret mission'. If getting from Washington to Colorado is a problem for the AIR FORCE with their 302s and normal supersonic craft, it's sad that getting someone from another galaxy was easier.

I don't think the Odyssey was in the galaxy, it it would have started back to Earth the same time that Atlantis did.

The 302s were kind of busy ; ) They could have used fighter jets. I wasn't thinking that it would be impossible for Landry and Jack to get there from Washinton, but that they thought it would be pointless given the time frame. Besides, Carter was there, and whatever was going on in Washington had to be pretty urgent. Landry didn't even consider coming back. Jack knows better than anyone that Carter could handle it.

[nx01a]

Handle the situation, sure. Handle the chair, nope.
Actually... the chair's in Nevada, right? Area 51? That's almost a cross-continent trip from DC? Maybe they couldn't get Jack to the chair in time. But they DID have time to get Shep to a 302 bay... I wonder where that was? Somewhere near the SGC, obviously.

[amconway]

Handle the situation, sure. Handle the chair, nope.
Actually... the chair's in Nevada, right? Area 51? That's almost a cross-continent trip from DC? Maybe they couldn't get Jack to the chair in time.
For whatever reason, it was Jack who told Wollsey to send Sheppard back through the gate from Atlantis to operate the chair. That's why he was there.

[nx01a]

Jack and Shep are the two most proficient in controlling Ancient technology, Beckett notwithstanding. :P I seriously doubt a few thousand miles or a task force would keep Jack away from getting in that chair himself and cause him to send for someone else from another galaxy to use it, much less leaving Atlantis to be flown by the guy who almost killed him and Shep by his inability to control the chair in 'Rising'. ;)
I'm going to go back and rewatch the episode tomorrow, but I think Carter only said Landry was in Washington heading up the task force. If Jack isn't heading the task force to defend the Earth, the I'd say he's off doing something even more important. Super secret mission aboard the Odyssey. :D
Still, it's all open for interpretation.

[Mitchell82]

Jack and Shep are the two most proficient in controlling Ancient technology, Beckett notwithstanding. :P I seriously doubt a few thousand miles or a task force would keep Jack away from getting in that chair himself and cause him to send for someone else from another galaxy to use it, much less leaving Atlantis to be flown by the guy who almost killed him and Shep by his inability to control the chair in 'Rising'. ;)
I'm going to go back and rewatch the episode tomorrow, but I think Carter only said Landry was in Washington heading up the task force. If Jack isn't heading the task force to defend the Earth, the I'd say he's off doing something even more important. Super secret mission aboard the Odyssey. :D
Still, it's all open for interpretation.

Makes sense to me. I would say he was in a love shack with Carter but well....;)

[amconway]

Jack and Shep are the two most proficient in controlling Ancient technology, Beckett notwithstanding. I seriously doubt a few thousand miles or a task force would keep Jack away from getting in that chair himself and cause him to send for someone else from another galaxy to use it, much less leaving Atlantis to be flown by the guy who almost killed him and Shep by his inability to control the chair in 'Rising'.
I'm going to go back and rewatch the episode tomorrow, but I think Carter only said Landry was in Washington heading up the task force. If Jack isn't heading the task force to defend the Earth, the I'd say he's off doing something even more important. Super secret mission aboard the Odyssey.
Still, it's all open for interpretation.

It is indeed open to interpretation, but you'll have to find a way to explain why Woolsey told Sheppard that General O'Neill wanted him back on Earth to operate the chair. : ) Personally, I got the impression that the Odyssey was outside of communications, for whatever reason.

[Mitchell82]

It is indeed open to interpretation, but you'll have to find a way to explain why Woolsey told Sheppard that General O'Neill wanted him back on Earth to operate the chair. : )

Like Oneill actually makes logical choices?:rolleyes:

[nx01a]

It is indeed open to interpretation, but you'll have to find a way to explain why Woolsey told Sheppard that General O'Neill wanted him back on Earth to operate the chair. : ) Personally, I got the impression that the Odyssey was outside of communications, for whatever reason.Jack was somewhere on the Odyssey going super secret spy magnet stuff and couldn't leave or get back in time. [Yes, I DO question what was so important the Odyssey didn't come back to save the entire planet from being culled.] He wanted the best man in the chair defending the Earth so he subspaced the SGC who dialed Pegasus and got Woolsey to send Shep. ;)

[amconway]

Like Oneill actually makes logical choices?


Jack was somewhere on the Odyssey going super secret spy magnet stuff and couldn't leave or get back in time. [Yes, I DO question what was so important the Odyssey didn't come back to save the entire planet from being culled.] He wanted the best man in the chair defending the Earth so he subspaced the SGC who dialed Pegasus and got Woolsey to send Shep.

If you guys are going to argue that there is no internal logic to the script, then there's really noting to debate. You can just decide whatever you like, because no valid argument can be made for or against it.

[nx01a]

:)
I'm just going with a more fun spin on things.
To me, the Odyssey's mission seems alot like the off-the-cuff Ba'al extraction ceremony mentioned in 'Search and Rescue' that led to the plot of 'Continuum'.
I didn't mean to seem testy. Sorry.

[amconway]

I'm just going with a more fun spin on things.
To me, the Odyssey's mission seems alot like the off-the-cuff Ba'al extraction ceremony mentioned in 'Search and Rescue' that led to the plot of 'Continuum'.
I didn't mean to seem testy. Sorry.

Not a problem! I was probably taking the whole thing a little too seriously anyway. :)

[nx01a]

Bah! It's only Stargate. Who here takes it seriously? :D

[amconway]

Bah! It's only Stargate. Who here takes it seriously?
Lol! 99.9 % of the people here. ; )


To me, the Odyssey's mission seems alot like the off-the-cuff Ba'al extraction ceremony mentioned in 'Search and Rescue' that led to the plot of 'Continuum'.

This is an interesting comparison. I'd forgotten about that. It seemed to have more of an element of foreshadowing than that, but it's possible that's all it will turn out to be-a convenient way to get rid of a strong ship.

[nx01a]

Plot device! And people thought that 'wormhole x-treme! drive' was the only one in the story. Tsk.

[amconway]

Ha! Point taken! :)

[Col.Ads]

Odyssey is the SG-1 Flagship and has a ZPM to have it come to Atlantis would undermine the series

[Arrakis2013]

even I'm not supposed to know about.
-Colonel Steven Caldwell, Enemy at the Gate

Any idea's what that might have meant?

I hope they were gone to the Ori Galaxy on some kind of mission with O'neill commanding the ship. And they use this and reference it in the next SG-1 movie. Maybe they were trying to get an Ori ship to help to take out Atlantis's little problem and Odyssey came across a problem of its own.

Anyway, throw out some cool idea's around. Maybe they'll make them on screen one day. I think the writers/directors/producers read some of these.

[unluckynumber11]

i've said it before and i'll say it again, Clava Thessara Infinitas ;)

[g.o.d]

probably somehow related to SGU. Perhaps Oddysey was carrying that US senator and other IOA clerks to a supersecret Alteran base

[g.o.d]

I believe Oddysey was carrying that US senator and other IOA clerks to a supersecret Alteran base

[_Ancients_]

I believe Oddysey was carrying that US senator and other IOA clerks to a supersecret Alteran base

Could be... ;)

[tech100]

they could have said "SG1 is on the Odessy on a secert mission we are trying to reach them but not sure if we will reach them or that they would arrive in time"

[amconway]

they could have said "SG1 is on the Odessy on a secert mission we are trying to reach them but not sure if we will reach them or that they would arrive in time"

Well, they could have, but why would they want to? For one thing, the script isn't done yet. They might have an idea where SG-1 is right now, but not want to specify in case the needs of the plot force them to change their minds. Also, we're all having great fun speculating on the whereabouts of SG-1 and whether the secret mission has to do with the movie or SGU. Why would they want to wreck that? It's a good thing!

[terr]

I was thinking the Odyssey's absence would be tied up in the SG-1 movie, and really didn't think of the pilot of SG:Universe. But, that fits much better, since Carter couldn't have been on Earth during the movie.

[_Ancients_]

Well, they could have, but why would they want to? For one thing, the script isn't done yet. They might have an idea where SG-1 is right now, but not want to specify in case the needs of the plot force them to change their minds. Also, we're all having great fun speculating on the whereabouts of SG-1 and whether the secret mission has to do with the movie or SGU. Why would they want to wreck that? It's a good thing!

Right, I think they knew they had to send it away so it couldn't come to Earth's defense. Then they would go back and decide why it was away later on. I am sure they have some ideas on where it is at and what it is doing out there.

[amconway]

Right, I think they knew they had to send it away so it couldn't come to Earth's defense. Then they would go back and decide why it was away later on. I am sure they have some ideas on where it is at and what it is doing out there.

Exactly...


I was thinking the SG-1 movie and really didn't think of Universe for some reason. But, SG:Universe fits much better, since Carter couldn't have been on Earth during the movie.

Unless the secret mission is just the backstory or the intro. Then it could be either. Which ever the case, the rest of SG-1 has to be on that ship. It's the only way to explain their absence.

[terr]

I'm not sure that the rest of SG-1 is off in the Odyssey. At least, I don't recall anyone saying so. Perhaps they were off-world and out of communication.

In any event, I suspect that the Odyssey is tied up in either the SG-1 movie or SG:Universe. "The Odyssey's on a secret mission even I'm not supposed to know about." was too leading for me not to think it's tied into something.

[amconway]

I'm not sure that the rest of SG-1 is off in the Odyssey. At least, I don't recall anyone saying so. Perhaps they were off-world and out of communication.

No, they were very careful not to say. By virtue of there being no other mention of other missions, and no mention of SG-1, the implication is that they are on the Odyssey. I think we were meant to assume that SG-1 is on the Odyssey.

[_Ancients_]

No, they were very careful not to say. By virtue of there being no other mention of other missions, and no mention of SG-1, the implication is that they are on the Odyssey. I think we were meant to assume that SG-1 is on the Odyssey.

I think that too.

[Aewon]

I was thinking the Odyssey's absence would be tied up in the SG-1 movie, and really didn't think of the pilot of SG:Universe. But, that fits much better, since Carter couldn't have been on Earth during the movie.

How so? From what we know of the show, the only way it can be tied to Stargate Universe is if the Destiny is under attack in the first season finale and Earth is able to send the Odyssey to aid them.

Or, it could be after the episode code-named Earth and the SGC are given the planned route of the Destiny and they send out the Odyssey to meet them in a galaxy that isn't too far away. But still, that'd mean that Stargate Universe has to start in the second half of Season 5 of Stargate Atlantis.

Also, I fail to see how either situations described above would be so super secret that not even Colonel Caldwell should know about it.


if Odyssey was in orbit when that supercharged hive showed up it wouldn't have had any trouble taking down that hive...

The Odyssey have the same weapon systems as the Daedelous, so I can't see it faring any better. Yes, it has a ZPM, but I'm yet to see any evidence that ZPMs makes the Asgard beams any more powerful.


It is indeed open to interpretation, but you'll have to find a way to explain why Woolsey told Sheppard that General O'Neill wanted him back on Earth to operate the chair.

Easy. The ship goes out of range long before sub-space communications. We've seen the Daedelous relaying messages back and forth from Earth to Atlantis in the Void between galaxies.

[amconway]

How so? From what we know of the show, the only way it can be tied to Stargate Universe is if the Destiny is under attack in the first season finale and Earth is able to send the Odyssey to aid them.

I don't think we have anything like a clear enough picture of the plot to rule anything out. What we know is very little and subject to change.

We don't know if the Destiny starts out in the new Galaxy or moves there with the people on board, trapping them.

We don't know if the Destiny is spotted on the outer reaches of our Galaxy and investigated.

We don't know if the Destiny is stationary around a planet, assumed to be in a stable orbit, and then moves on without warning.

Basically anything can happen that the writers decide to make happen to advance their plot. We have no idea.

[godlike]

does anyone have any thoughts on what col' Caldwell was referring to in enemy at the gate?when he said that the odyssey was on some super secret mission that even he wasn't supposed to know about. this is my first time posting so apologies if it's in the wrong place or if i futzed up the spoiler tag.

[RepliVeggie]

gotta be related to SGU

[SG1Commander]

It has to be. It seems to me, that research into the 9th Chevron would a Top-Secret project. Don't think that the SGC would want the Wraith, or any remaining Goa'uld to find out about it.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

There are threads about this godlike, for your next thread have a quick check in some of the folders before creating a new one.
BTW RepliVeggie it doesn't have to be a reference to Universe, it could just as easily have something to do with the next SG1 film or even some back ground thing that's going in relation to info gleamed from the Asgard knowledge.

Odyssey could be off doing any one of a billion different things, but it will probably have some connection to something we will see in future Stargate projects. ;)

[Ha'TakFord]

The 9th chevron is sposed to be on a ship. The ancients sent out two ships the destiny and a anouther ship to follow up stargate universe is ment to set on the destiny but it might have something to do with the second one.

The destiny is a ship that drops off gates to new galaxies and the second ship is the ship that follows up and explores

[_Ancients_]

Godlike:

Here is the thread that already discusses this. Welcome to GateWorld!

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=62901

[Superted]

ZOMG set-up for the new Atlantis film or for the new SG-1 film?
I am guessing at SG-1 since their new film will likely come first! Also since Sam was the only one present in this episode. What do you guys think????

[the wraithwaxer]

Spoilers for EATG follow.



When Caldwell said that the Odyssey was on a secret mission even he wasn't supposed to know about, I guessed it was just cheap writing. Then I thought of something. What if it's at the super-secret "9th chevron research base". Because our new crew will be attacked in the series premiere, I would guess that it would come from space. How the heck would they have enough time to get everyone through the gate if there wasn't a 304 helping out in orbit?

[jimv1983]

By SG-1 you meann........Daniel? O'Neill is hoydy toydy general and carter was on command of the SGC...Teal'c is probley back with Jaffa...again...

O'Neill may be a general but he could still go on a mission if he really needed/wanted too, carter was never in command of the SGC...she is a colonel and would most likely not get a command position like that. Plus, Landry is in command of the SGC. Teal'c would come back for one of two reasons. 1. It would benefit the Free Jaffa Nation. or 2. His friends from Earth needed his help. There is also Col Mitchell and Vala(unfortunately) that were on SG-1.

[jimv1983]

At one point they say that the Odyssey is on a super secret mission, do you guys think this might have anything to do with SGU?
If not what do you guys think it was doing that was such big a secret?

I seriously hope not. Plus the Icarus base project does not seem so secretive that Caldwell would not know about it. He already knows about the Stargate program and commands a ship based on alien technology.


But then they would have lost that power when they crossed the edge of the Milky Way.

Why? The Ori, like the Ancients, are ascended beings. There is no reason to think that their powers stop at the edge of the galaxy.