'Enemy At the Gate' (520) General Discussion

[Thunderbird 2]

Indeed. You're quite correct on the strip mining too.

Now that we're secure, we can do EXACTLY what we've been doing with the SGC, but just with the Pegasus Galaxy. Use Atlantis as Earth's homeworld defence hub, and either use a gate bridge to gate to Pegasus or go via ship and set up Alpha Site (third generation) style facilities all over PG to make an active fight against the wraith (one which will be all the easier if we don't have to worry about Atlantis' safety) or even, as I believe IS the best option, try and set up diplomatic relations for diplomatic solutions, perfect the gene therapy to alter Wraith feeding habits, nurture the Todd relationship.

We can do all this - from Earth.

If thats true, and Atlantis does remain on Earth, that means two things have to happen, or the internal credibility of the SG1 and Atlantis portions of the franchise collapse in on themselves.

1) SG1 and the other SG teams also start working from Atlantis, and the SGC is finally mothballed. As a fan of SG1, I personally hate that idea, I like the SGC at Cheyanne Mountain, it touches the Stargate world with our own, since Cheyanne Mountain is real. Atlantis isn't.

2) There will now be no choice, but full public disclosure of the Stargate programme. Atlantis can't keep its cloak operating indefinately, esp if troops, supplies and scientific personell are coming and going, 3 ZPMs or not. - How else could it be explained that a several million year old UFO is sitting just outside San Fransisco bay?


Maybe I am reading to much into this, but the structure of the episode seems to me to imply a drastic need to get Atlantis to Earth for long term reasons?

[nx01a]

If the IOA gets that dumb Antarctic Treaty sorted out, Atlantis can land on the outpost again and bam! Remote area with few passers-by.;)

[Flyboy]

If thats true, and Atlantis does remain on Earth, that means two things have to happen, or the internal credibility of the SG1 and Atlantis portions of the franchise collapse in on themselves.

1) SG1 and the other SG teams also start working from Atlantis, and the SGC is finally mothballed. As a fan of SG1, I personally hate that idea, I like the SGC at Cheyanne Mountain, it touches the Stargate world with our own, since Cheyanne Mountain is real. Atlantis isn't.

2) There will now be no choice, but full public disclosure of the Stargate programme. Atlantis can't keep its cloak operating indefinately, esp if troops, supplies and scientific personell are coming and going, 3 ZPMs or not. - How else could it be explained that a several million year old UFO is sitting just outside San Fransisco bay?


Maybe I am reading to much into this, but the structure of the episode seems to me to imply a drastic need to get Atlantis to Earth for long term reasons?
I'm a MASSIVE fan of SG1. I prefer it to SGA. But SG1 does not (imo) exist any more. It stopped existing at the end of S8. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy S9, 10 and AoT, but it was too different for me to be SG1. It was "Stargate Command" and I enjoyed it as such. With that in mind, with SG1's mission complete - ie find advanced tech, build ships and what not. I don't mind if SGA takes it's rightful place as being THE show. I do believe that all SGC embarkation operations should move to Atlantis, and most likely, all earth defence operations, because of the superior Atlantis technology.

After we got Asgard equipped ships and started beaming people around, we stopped having that 'this could really be going on' thing - so why not shift over to SGA?

And as nX says, I think we should just reposition Atlantis to Antarctica. Tis THE solution. That or the middle of the Atlantic.

[nx01a]

Middle of the Pacific, the Pacific pole of inaccessibility (aka Point Nemo), farthest point from land.

[Mitchell82]

Apparently not. At the end of the episode Sheppard notes that there is enough energy left to fly back to Pegasus.
Where? Unless I missed it the only thing he says is this.

Ronon: I'm ready to get out of here.
Shepard: Take your time. The city's quite banged up even with 3 ZPM's we're not going anywhere for a while.
The ZPM's may not have been depleted however the power was drastically drained from the trip to Earth.

He also notes the ZPMs as "a full compliment" which would imply that they barely used any energy that they had. If I remember correctly, in the Lost City the thousands of drones deployed were done so with an almost completely drained ZPM.
No that means that we have a full compliment of ZPM's in other words that means we have 3 ZPMs.

[Mitchell82]

If the IOA gets that dumb Antarctic Treaty sorted out, Atlantis can land on the outpost again and bam! Remote area with few passers-by.;)

But then it wouldn't be Atlantis anymore. The story would be completely different. No more Pegasus, Wraith, if they do that they loose a viewer.

[nx01a]

Zelenka said the wormhole drive sucked huge amounts of power. We simply don't know how much power the ZPMs have left. I'd guess enough for a 'final' trip back to Pegasus...if the movie requires. Probably not enough to close an interdimensional wormhole. :)
Mitchell82... I admit that I loved Atlantis being in Pegasus and, if the story ended with EatG, I would be delighted because, like Voyager trying to get back to Earth, I always felt the logical end of SGA was exactly what happened here: they got Atlantis back to Earth. The Ancients moved it, we moved it back. The fact that tptb are doing at least one SGA movie means that the city'll probably end up back in Pegasus, drain its ZPMs and get stuck there. As it is, without our own Ancient chair, we need Atlantis to defend the Earth right now. Besides, we don't need Atlantis itself to fight the Wraith or the evil Asgard or whoever. We've got 304s and jumpers and stargates for that. ;) Though I do admit, Stargate: Daedalus doesn't have that catchy a ring to it for me.

[Mitchell82]

Zelenka said the wormhole drive sucked huge amounts of power. We simply don't know how much power the ZPMs have left. I'd guess enough for a 'final' trip back to Pegasus...if the movie requires. Probably not enough to close an interdimensional wormhole. :)
Exactly which is why Atlantis had little power in the final battle.

[jelgate]

I was under the impression that the wormhole drive and battle with the Hive ship had drainied most of the power from the ZPM

[Mitchell82]

I was under the impression that the wormhole drive and battle with the Hive ship had drainied most of the power from the ZPM

Isn't that what I just said?

[nx01a]

As with everything, the ZPMs will have as much power left as the writers decree plot-necessary.
I just want a scene with Atlantis landing on the outpost, the opposite of what we saw in 'Rising'. Sure, we'd have to dig it out of that mile of ice first... but that's what the heat from the stardrive would be for. Aid the melting of the ice caps. :D
I'd laugh if the fabled ZPM and drone factories are actually in the outpost and need to have Atlantis docked to become accessible, a bit like Janus' secret lab.

[Automission]

How many people had to do a double take to work out who the woman talking to Ronon at the end was? Took me a bloody age to work out. She's been in what, one episode before this one?

[jelgate]

I can remember at least 4 episodes that Ameila was in besides EATG

[nx01a]

They made her up perrdy for the final scenes. :)

[Automission]

If she had kept the same hairstyle it may of helped me to identify her. They may as well of sent out a random Red shirt or two, talking like they've been in every episode of the show so far.

[Infinite-Possibilities]

I don't know if I can remember any less noticeable recurring character than her in anywhere. I can remember only 2 other episodes she was in so far and even then all her scenes could hardly be called more than cameos.

[Automission]

Yeah, but I guess a girl Ronon may slightly fancy is far more important and popular than Lorne or Radek. God, the writers really failed.

[amconway]

Yeah, but I guess a girl Ronon may slightly fancy is far more important and popular than Lorne or Radek. God, the writers really failed.

The only reason I can see for this choice is foreshadowing of some kind.

[gateraid]

Yes, because otherwise it should really have been *gulp* Keller in that scene (in the infirmary). It wouldn't have been shippy, and in keeping with her role as a doctor.

[Demerzel]

I've been a Stargate fan since the movie. I stuck with the show despite its flaws and focused on the good sides, the good episodes. I had very high hopes for Enemy at the Gates and it left me very disapointed and then it became obvious that as a franchise, Stargate is dying. And I blame it on the writing team, who seem to have lost their imagination.

I truly didn't realise how bad Atlantis had become until I watched BSG's new episode last night and came to the conclusion that it was the best TV episode I ever watched. And that the writing on Stargate had only decayed over the last couple years and that the powers that be made mistakes. Killing off Beckett was the first error. Booting Weir was an ever worse mistake. I think it only became worse and worse from there. I won't even get into how I puke a little every minute McKeller is on screen and to think they wasted so many episodes on Keller.

The same writers are going to do Universe and from the first few episodes, we already see plots that have been used before. I'm a big Carlyle fan, but one good actor can't salvage this.

But back on the subject, Enemies at the Gates was a bad ending for such a series. Too many plot holes, the story not being smart enough and the focus shifting to some new characters we don't care about while putting those we like in the background (Like Amelia being on the balcony, but not Zelenka or Lorne, or even Chuck) all made it a terribly disapointing experience.

I give Universe one season, and I'm sure it doesn't get renewed, pretty much like Knight Rider.

Amusingly, I'll miss Shep more than O'Neill.

[Iawen]

I agree with most of what you said, Demerzel. I love the whole Stargate franchise (granted, I'm a very new fan, but I do think it's way better than most of what's currently on TV) but I just now saw Enemy at the Gate, and I agree that the writers have lost their imagination. I haven't seen most of season five, but from the episodes that I have seen (with a few exceptions), I am left to wonder why JM and PM think that it's their best season, as they said in the newest Stargate magazine.

Enemy at the Gate really, really needed to be two hours long. It's not like they didn't have enough notice to be able to do it. I loved that the story of the show was the Wraith going to Earth, and the people of Atlantis going back to Earth sort of felt like coming full circle, but there was way too much NOT there in the episode.

There was really no kind of character moments or development in the episode. I liked when Woolsey asked Teyla and Ronon if they were sure about going to the Milky Way to fight a fight that wasn't theirs and they basically responded that they were just returning the favor. But that was just about the only real character scene we got in the entire episode. I loved the action going on but it overtook the episode.

I liked that Lorne was in it, I liked that Major Davis was in it. I loved Carter and Sheppard talking about General Hammond. But why was there not even a mention of where SG-1 was? I understand that the this is Atlantis, not SG-1, but this was one of the biggest fights for Earth ever, and every single time there's been such a major crisis, not only was SG-1 there fighting, but they were front and center in the fight. Even just a mention that they were stuck off-world or something and I wouldn't have missed a beat, but instead it was just like, "Excuse me? Why wouldn't SG-1 be there?"

The way the whole thing went down was intense and I was on the edge of my seat because I honestly didn't know who was going to live or die because I made myself stay away from spoilers about it, but I guess at the end of it I feel like it wasn't different enough from a lot of what's been done in the past. And from what for Universe, I think Stargate needs new blood in the writing department because the current ones, while I think they're good writers, have become complacent and stopped challenging themselves.

All that said, I think there have been worse episodes, certainly worse finales, and I will still be able to enjoy rewatching EatG, even if I think it could have been better and should have been two episodes. I will miss this show.

[Dusk]

Well, I think under the circumstances they squeezed in a lot for one episode. It was good, just two things that bugged me:

1) The pitiful defence Earth put up against a single Wraith vessel. If a small fleet of Hives had turned up, they'd surely be wiping the floor with our asses.

2) A magical wormhole drive? Puh-lease! Rodney is a masterful scientist but certainly not capable of developing such technology. ANY invention Rodney comes up with that the Ancients didn't already have is implausible. The Ancients were FAR superior to us, and a good deal smarter than Rodney.

When Ronan died, I thought the whole episode was set within an alternate reality from "ours" that were repelling the Wraith attack (much like SG-1's "There But For the Grace of God"). It could easily have gone that way.

All in all the finale was entertaining enough in its own right, but a far cry from the wonderful and touching character driven episode that marked SG-1's 10 year TV show end. It just goes to show, as much as the producers had said they were trying, the Atlantis crew just couldn't get that team spirit and emotional undertone that SG-1 had all along.

[Starry Waters]

While I liked the ep I was a bit disgusted at Teyla running off to another galaxy without a thought for her child. Especially since they made such a big deal about her rejoining the SGA team and leaving the child in the first place. Reminds me of another character who is always running around and not attending to business.

[Nexus]

See for me....Major Davis's acting towards the end was a bit too sloppy, the way he put his hands on the keyboard and said "We....are...tracking them again". Its small details like that that really irk me! :(

[Iawen]

All in all the finale was entertaining enough in its own right, but a far cry from the wonderful and touching character driven episode that marked SG-1's 10 year TV show end. It just goes to show, as much as the producers had said they were trying, the Atlantis crew just couldn't get that team spirit and emotional undertone that SG-1 had all along.

Well, I think Atlantis had that, maybe not quite as strongly as SG-1, it's just the writers decided not to focus on that this season. They decided that most of the emotional stuff in season five would happen "off screen" (ie, no character development). Season five of SG-1 was similar, actually, but after that season was over the show went on to have what I personally think are the show's best seasons. Makes me wonder what could have been with Atlantis.

[Flyboy]

See for me....Major Davis's acting towards the end was a bit too sloppy, the way he put his hands on the keyboard and said "We....are...tracking them again". Its small details like that that really irk me! :(
Actually, that sounds to me like the sort of thing someone might really say in those situations.

[Angarag89]

At the end when Shephard flies the glider into the earth attacking hive that moment totally kind of copied from the Independence day. And those inside ship event then they leave and hive exploding with a nuke is just totally Independence day. :D

[jelgate]

At the end when Shephard flies the glider into the earth attacking hive that moment totally kind of copied from the Independence day. And those inside ship event then they leave and hive explodes is just totally Independence day.Yes because Independence Day is the only movie to do that:rolleyes:

[Angarag89]

I would rate it with 3 stars out of 5. The whole event plots were felt like too much rushed that everything written and produced within 3 days and the directors and producers did not have time for editing or something.

[Alan]

At the end when Shephard flies the glider into the earth attacking hive that moment totally kind of copied from the Independence day. And those inside ship event then they leave and hive exploding with a nuke is just totally Independence day. :D


Yes because Independence Day is the only movie to do that:rolleyes:

Everything copies everything. TV shows are copying moments from films or other shows or books all the time. It's just the fact that they all put they're own unique brand on it that separates them.

Take the Stargate SG-1 Season 4 episode Window of Opportunity for example. It's obviously an idea from the movie Groundhogs Day. But so what? Does knowing that make Window of Opportunity any less enjoyable? If the answer to that is anything else but "No" I'll be very surprised. What separates the TV episode from the movie is that its a storyline on a smaller scale, in a smaller amount of time, set in the Stargate franchise happening to characters we like. And then the Groundhogs Day idea was used again for The X-Files' Season 6 episode Monday. Again...was that episode enjoyed any less because we know it was an idea started in a movie? For me, no.

Ideas have been copied before and they'll be copied again. Ideas run out all the time but it's by putting those old ideas and placing them within the confines of a franchise like Stargate or The X-Files that helps make the distinction. :)

[Angarag89]

Agree but for sci-fi genre there is one standart that basically viewers expects something totally new that a ship or alien or adventure. In other genres like a war movie or romance movie everything is clear that some shooting some kissing some fighting and end of story. The original Stargate movie was something totally new stuff thus all these series were born but the producers or writers are making certain serious mistakes of Copying in numbers of episodes so I guess by season 5 their fuel has run out. :D

[Mitchell82]

I don't know if I can remember any less noticeable recurring character than her in anywhere. I can remember only 2 other episodes she was in so far and even then all her scenes could hardly be called more than cameos.

She was in 9 eps and had lengthy parts in most. Lets see she was in Search and Rescue, The Seed, The Shrine, The Queen, First Contact, The Lost Tribe, The Prodigal (she really kicked ass in that one), Remnants, and Infection.

[Mitchell82]

I've been a Stargate fan since the movie. I stuck with the show despite its flaws and focused on the good sides, the good episodes. I had very high hopes for Enemy at the Gates and it left me very disapointed and then it became obvious that as a franchise, Stargate is dying. And I blame it on the writing team, who seem to have lost their imagination.
As have I though I disagree that the franchise is dying. IMO Enemy at the Gate shows that the writing is as strong as ever.


I truly didn't realise how bad Atlantis had become until I watched BSG's new episode last night and came to the conclusion that it was the best TV episode I ever watched. And that the writing on Stargate had only decayed over the last couple years and that the powers that be made mistakes. Killing off Beckett was the first error. Booting Weir was an ever worse mistake. I think it only became worse and worse from there. I won't even get into how I puke a little every minute McKeller is on screen and to think they wasted so many episodes on Keller.
This shows just how different people's ideas on "great tv" is. BSG's latest ep IMO was uttter crap. Now I'll agree that killing Beckett was a mistake however Weir is not all on TPTB it's also on Torri but I won't start that argument up again. However as much as I hate to admit it I do miss Weir when I watch the first three seasons. However Carter was a great leader as is Woolsey. The show hasn't degraded IMO and I don't see developing Keller a mistake.


The same writers are going to do Universe and from the first few episodes, we already see plots that have been used before. I'm a big Carlyle fan, but one good actor can't salvage this.
So you either have a time machine or are psychic since the very little information about the plot does not collaborate your assumption.


But back on the subject, Enemies at the Gates was a bad ending for such a series. Too many plot holes, the story not being smart enough and the focus shifting to some new characters we don't care about while putting those we like in the background (Like Amelia being on the balcony, but not Zelenka or Lorne, or even Chuck) all made it a terribly disapointing experience.
Change we to you since you can't say "characters we don't care about" unless you know that no one likes said characters.

I give Universe one season, and I'm sure it doesn't get renewed, pretty much like Knight Rider.
I said the same about SGA and it lasted 5 years and was a damn good show. Knight Rider tried to change too much about the show too fast that is why it failed.

[AnnieS]

Got a question. Not sure if it has been pondered here or not. Here goes!!

From what I hear, I haven't seen "Enemy At The Gate" so may have read this wrong.

But now with Atlantis now on Earth. Will they still have their own Gate Address or will they have the same one as the SGC???

I know that the two gates that were on Earth (SGC and Antarctica, and for a time in Russia) had the same address. But was curious about the fact that until now the Atlantis gate was in another Galaxy!!!

[jelgate]

You can't move Earth.:P

The address to dial Earth will still be the same. Now if the Atlantis gate is connected when a person dials Earth they gate will Atlantis.

[AnnieS]

I was just curious since the Atlantis gate has been in another Galaxy for millions of years. Whether their address would stay the same or would it change.

Would be interesting to find out who you find when you Dialed the address. Will you find John and company. Or will SG1 be waiting for you when you come through;)!!!

[CFAmerica]

OMG. At the end i was like really... drop the damn cloak!

Exactly what I said. XD

Just let Earth know for Æsir's sake!

[Cautious Explorer]

I like the idea of Earth not knowing about the stargates. I loved S1 of SGA when they were comfortably cut off from Earth and all the IOA, SGC politics that Earth would bring. One of the major failings of the few SG-1 episodes I saw was all the political wrangling. I found it absolutely boring.

I can just see Atlantis being turned into a sight-seeing junket for every random senator, congressman and other random Earth dignitaries. :(

[Flyboy]

I like the idea of Earth not knowing about the stargates. I loved S1 of SGA when they were comfortably cut off from Earth and all the IOA, SGC politics that Earth would bring. One of the major failings of the few SG-1 episodes I saw was all the political wrangling. I found it absolutely boring.

I can just see Atlantis being turned into a sight-seeing junket for every random senator, congressman and other random Earth dignitaries. :(
Yet I found it fascinating and intellectually thrilling.

*shrugs*

Horses for courses.

There are pure action orgies of space battles for some, and high brow intellectual political commentary for others. That's why Stargate works.

[Cautious Explorer]

Yet I found it fascinating and intellectually thrilling.

*shrugs*

Horses for courses.

There are pure action orgies of space battles for some, and high brow intellectual political commentary for others. That's why Stargate works.

Uh, no. Not really. There's got to be something in between those two extremes. How about likable, interesting characters? Creative stories? I thought early SGA had all of that.

[Flyboy]

Uh, no. Not really. There's got to be something in between those two extremes. How about likable, interesting characters? Creative stories? I thought early SGA had all of that.
Well yes... but creative stories can apply to both the political and the space battles, and the likable interesting characters are not connected directly to the story per se being told (I dont see why all characters must be likable). Besides, I don't see why it must be one or the other. Take Sg1 S9 - Camalot. There was a great political sub plot with the Russians and the Chinese, and a devastating space battle.

[Cautious Explorer]

Well yes... but creative stories can apply to both the political and the space battles, and the likable interesting characters are not connected directly to the story per se being told (I dont see why all characters must be likable). Besides, I don't see why it must be one or the other. Take Sg1 S9 - Camalot. There was a great political sub plot with the Russians and the Chinese, and a devastating space battle.

I did say likable, interesting characters. I do think any character ought to be either or both of these to be successful.

I have found political issues to be interesting in other television shows, but I've never found them to be either particularly interesting or clever on Stargate. It's all very simplistic and boring IMO, and certainly not a reason I watch SGA.

As you said before, people have different reasons for watching. You enjoy political aspects of Stargate. I don't. It's one of the various reasons I never had much interest in SG-1. The lack of humdrum Earth politics and military regimentation was one of the positive factors in SGA for me.

[Flyboy]

I did say likable, interesting characters. I do think any character ought to be either or both of these to be successful.

I have found political issues to be interesting in other television shows, but I've never found them to be either particularly interesting or clever on Stargate. It's all very simplistic and boring IMO, and certainly not a reason I watch SGA.

As you said before, people have different reasons for watching. You enjoy political aspects of Stargate. I don't. It's one of the various reasons I never had much interest in SG-1. The lack of humdrum Earth politics and military regimentation was one of the positive factors in SGA for me.
Lol.

And yet the military side of Stargate is that which draws me in the first place.

[Mitchell82]

Exactly what I said. XD

Just let Earth know for Æsir's sake!

Bad idea. That would turn the world upside down.

[nx01a]

I'd rather be told that aliens exist by the world governments than have a ha'tak flying overhead as part of an invasion force tell me that I'm not alone in the universe.
At this point, I find it ridiculous that, for all the observatories and radio satellites and Jack-level amateur astronomers and... that no one has seen all these ships in the sky or picked up radio chatter.

[Mitchell82]

I'd rather be told that aliens exist by the world governments than have a ha'tak flying overhead as part of an invasion force tell me that I'm not alone in the universe.
At this point, I find it ridiculous that, for all the observatories and radio satellites and Jack-level amateur astronomers and... that no one has seen all these ships in the sky or picked up radio chatter.

The government can cover all of that up......trust me.

[nx01a]

We shouldn't be discussing this in a public forum. ;):P

[Nexus]

Actually, that sounds to me like the sort of thing someone might really say in those situations.

It wasnt so much what he said, but the poor way that he acted using the keyboard to make the screen behind him show the location of Atlantis. The line itself was okay, but imho the acting wasnt 100%.

[Flyboy]

The government can cover all of that up......trust me.
Speaking from experience?

[Flyboy]

The government can cover all of that up......trust me.
Speaking from experience?


Didn't we have someone a few years back who claimed to be working at a top secret US military installation?

[Voxyn]

LOL.

Anyone that claimed such a thing would be either dead or in some deep underground facility being punished.

hehehe.

If a person really works for any Government's top secret projects I seriously doubt that he isn't being traced every second of the day.


..or picked up radio chatter.
I've always wondered about this, but who says that the Goa'uld or Asgard use regular radio waves to communicate.

Maybe they use some frequency that we don't usually detect.
Or are using a subspace frequency.

[Mitchell82]

Speaking from experience?
Yup.



Didn't we have someone a few years back who claimed to be working at a top secret US military installation?
Don't know but I have been on many "black ops" missions.

[Flyboy]

Yup.



Don't know but I have been on many "black ops" missions.
...

Then you really shouldn't be publicising this fact, considering that your IP can easily be identified and thus your location traced. A black op, as opposed to a covert op, is one that is essentially illegal and all knowledge and existence of is denied. Such examples would include cross border operations in Vietnam. Even acknowledging that you partook in a black operation counteracts exactly what a black op is...

Just saying...

[Infinite-Possibilities]

Perhaps he means surgery on African Americans?

[Mitchell82]

...

Then you really shouldn't be publicising this fact, considering that your IP can easily be identified and thus your location traced. A black op, as opposed to a covert op, is one that is essentially illegal and all knowledge and existence of is denied. Such examples would include cross border operations in Vietnam. Even acknowledging that you partook in a black operation counteracts exactly what a black op is...

Just saying...

I'm aware of that. Most of my work in the military is/was and will always be classified. You're right I shouldn't admit that I was involved in "unofficial" missions. Not just for the fact that I don't like what I did, it's the fact that our government denies all knowledge of those missions. Now excuse me while I get my foot out of my mouth.;)

[Mitchell82]

Perhaps he means surgery on African Americans?

:lol:

[nx01a]

Er...

[nx01a]

Did anyone else notice the picture of Woolsey's Yorkie in the background of his scene with Ronon and Teyla? He had a studio portrait taken of his dog! And he keeps it prominently displayed in his office! No wonder he's still sad about losing it to the ex-wife.

[Flyboy]

Did anyone else notice the picture of Woolsey's Yorkie in the background of his scene with Ronon and Teyla? He had a studio portrait taken of his dog. No wonder he's still sad about losing it to the ex-wife.
Lol indeed. :)

[nx01a]

So... If a hive with a ZPM can detect cloaked jumpers, can the Asgard sensors aboard the ZPM-ed Odyssey?

[Infinite-Possibilities]

Er...

I don't know why it came to me out of nowhere but it did.

And about the ZPM enhanced sensors that is a good point, its potential a logical extension of what they showed in the episode even though it is not implied ever before . But given the ZPM-enhanced Wraith ship was more advanced than anything else seen, including a ZPM enhanced Daedalus class cruiser, it is also exceednly possible not to be the case.

[Mitchell82]

So... If a hive with a ZPM can detect cloaked jumpers, can the Asgard sensors aboard the ZPM-ed Odyssey?

Hmmm good question.

[jelgate]

So... If a hive with a ZPM can detect cloaked jumpers, can the Asgard sensors aboard the ZPM-ed Odyssey?Well the ZPM Daedalus detected the cloaked Jumper in Siege III

[Infinite-Possibilities]

Did they? I thought they just knew he was somewhere in the vicinity? Why did they need to have him terminate his cloak to beam him out? I suppose it would explain exactly how they knew what he was planning. Hmm. Perhaps you're right about that there.

[Mitchell82]

Did they? I thought they just knew he was somewhere in the vicinity? Why did they need to have him terminate his cloak to beam him out? I suppose it would explain exactly how they knew what he was planning. Hmm. Perhaps you're right about that there.

IDK I saw it more of needing him to de cloak so they could determine his position.

[freekedoutfish]

Generally speaking a good episode and an obvious way to end the show, but it missed out on so many opportunities to push the franchise forward and it should have done so much more with the episode.

1) It should have been 2 hours long.

2) We should have had back story to how the Wrath got the ZPM.

3) They should have called upon their european and eastern allies to help fight the Wrath ship in orbit, instead of sending a tiny number of ships and had a far grander space battle going on.

I mean.. have the Russians not rebuilt their space ship by now and buit a fleet of their own?

4) Where were the Free Jafar (dunno how spell that) during all of this?

5) Instead of saying "we can use a wormhole drive" and then showing us NOTHING about it; they should have said "we have an idea to get us back instantly..." then just shown Atlantis blasting into earth orbit coming (in the nick of time) out of a huge wormhole in space and THEN explained aftwards what it was.

6) They should have shown Atlantis sitting in the bay off the New York harbour, NOT CLOAKED! And FINALLY exposed humanity to the stargate programme.

How much longer can they hide the SG programme from the world? Using the "we cloaked it at the last minute" line was completely cheesy and over used.

7) And they shouldnt have re-used the old "lets fly a nuke inside the ship" trick for the 100th time! They must have had a better idea about how to destroy the ship?

8) And im sorry... but why not just let Ronan die? Yes his acting had improved and he was more developed... but there was some real emotion there which was wiped away when he came back.

9) It should have been ONE oober Wrath ship and two smaller ones! It just didnt feel threatening enough IMO. You didnt even see them send darts down to attack major cities or teleport people up for feeding on.

Why didnt the wrath send down hundreds of darts and attack cities? That would have looked cool. And anoother way they COULDNT hide it anymore.



Its a shame, because they CAN do huge, epic, space battles because we have seen them when earth was attacked by Anubis and when the Ori came through the super gate.

They had humans, Asgard and Jafar fighting along side them then!




There was no feeling of grandure or epicness to this episode due to the lack of any real space battle, or allies coming to help! And everything that could have made it an epic episode was conveniently missing or destroyed..

....the Odysey and the chair!




I get they were caught off guard, but still!




I really wish and hope they do an uncut version of this episode on the DVD release, because it was obvious it was rushed out!

[nx01a]

Well the ZPM Daedalus detected the cloaked Jumper in Siege III


IDK I saw it more of needing him to de cloak so they could determine his position.I always assumed they Daedalus crew were just listening in on the radio chatter which outlined what Shep was attempting. All this radio chatter and the Wraith don't pick it up. :mckay: Same thing with Rodney picking up Shep's radio convo with Sam in EatG.

Still, the case could be made they detected him but needed him to decloak the jumper for a clean beaming. Either way, I'll just assume 'yes'.

[prion]

Just FYI, Amanada Tapping talked about the last episode of SGA at

Catching Up With Amanda Tapping

http://popculturezoo.com/archives/1869

[Lt.Colonel Squee]

OMG. At the end i was like really... drop the damn cloak!

Yer I think they should have droped the clock only because it was the last ep!!

It should have been a two parter!

[Lt.Colonel Squee]

Love the sig Prion!!!

[Mitchell82]

Yer I think they should have droped the clock only because it was the last ep!!

It should have been a two parter!

yeah it should have been a two parter but drop the cloak? Bad idea.

[Captain Chaap]

Yer I think they should have droped the clock only because it was the last ep!!

It should have been a two parter!


yeah it should have been a two parter but drop the cloak? Bad idea.

Maybe if the ep would have been a two-parter, they could've done the whole dropping the cloak and telling everyone... (It would have made the movie(s) more difficult to write)
But in today's world, if they told everyone about the SGC I think they'd be needing the shield! :p

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

there are a couple things that i dislike with it. one it clocked in at 43 minutes and 6 seconds which bums me out cause this is the shortest episode of the series and it should've been longer than that. two. it should've been a two part episode. get rid of identity and have Vegas as part 1 (18) enemy at the gate part 1 (19) and enemy at the gate part 2 (20-100) as the three part finale cause really vegas did set up the season finale.

[Lythisrose]

there are a couple things that i dislike with it. one it clocked in at 43 minutes and 6 seconds which bums me out cause this is the shortest episode of the series and it should've been longer than that. two. it should've been a two part episode. get rid of identity and have Vegas as part 1 (18) enemy at the gate part 1 (19) and enemy at the gate part 2 (20-100) as the three part finale cause really vegas did set up the season finale.

I would have liked this happening.:)

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

i mean it identity was a waste of an episode. i mean i had this same problem with SG-1 Season 10. I mean get rid of bad guys and family ties and should've made the ark of truth the series finale.

[morjana]

SGA - Enemy at the Gate Polls:

At GateWorld (http://gateworld.net/):

Do you think "Enemy At the Gate" was a satisfying series finale?

* Yes! It was just about perfect.

* Yes, but it was missing something.

* No, but it came close.

* No! It wasn't satisfying at all.

~~**~~**

At Slice of SciFi (http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2009/02/01/did-the-series-finale-of-stargate-atlantis-please-or-upset-you/):

Polls

Did the Series Finale of “Stargate Atlantis” Please or Upset You?

February 1, 2009 by Sam Sloan

After five seasons of "Stargate Atlantis," the series celebrated its 100th episode and said goodbye. Did the series finale give a fitting end to this fan favorite as it leaves television and sets out for movies?

* Yes. The ending was a perfect way to end its television run.

* The ending was......meh. But OK.

* I was disappointed but it won't prevent me from purchasing future Atlantis movies.

* No! The series finale ruined it for me and I will never watch Atlantis again, on TV or film.

[Jumper_One]

Belouchi writes: “ [...] 7. Is the Sun-Tzu, the ship, Chinese owned or USAF?”

Answers: [...] 7. It’s a Chinese-crewed ship.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/01/31/january-31-2009-ill-take-a-dvd-an-eight-track-cassette-and-a-tincture-of-laudanum/

[Alan]

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/01/31/january-31-2009-ill-take-a-dvd-an-eight-track-cassette-and-a-tincture-of-laudanum/

Cool! Thanks for that Jumper! I wonder if the British have a Daedalus-class ship...and what's it called?

[nx01a]

If they do eventually get one, I hope it isn't named Excalibur or Arthur or something generic. Maybe St George. :D The dragon-slayer, I believe.

As for Atlantis on Earth... Submerging it might be the best option for keeping it hidden. Fly the cloaked ship somewhere remote, land, shift to shield and sink her.

[Jumper_One]

D.W. writes: “1:Is the Sun-Tzu a Daedalus-class ship? We never saw it on screen. [...]”

Answers: 1. Yes.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/february-1-2009-dogs-mailbag-and-nfl-i-renounce-thee/

[Alan]

If they do eventually get one, I hope it isn't named Excalibur or Arthur or something generic. Maybe St George. :D The dragon-slayer, I believe.

As for Atlantis on Earth... Submerging it might be the best option for keeping it hidden. Fly the cloaked ship somewhere remote, land, shift to shield and sink her.

I like those suggestions! Very nice! Especially Excalibur! That'd be awesome! :cool:

[Jumper_One]

Planet_tv writes: “In Enemy at the Gate was Teyla’s son with her on Atlantis or in the Pegasus Galaxy with his father because I don’t thing she would up and leave her son especially with what she said at the end of The Prodigal (If the answer to this is in the movie can you say the answer will be in the movie or something like that)?”

Answer: Although we didn’t see them, Kanaan and Torren made the trip back to Earth with Teyla.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/february-11-2009-more-big-book-of-the-month-club-news-and-the-mailbag/

[Infinite-Possibilities]

Oh god. That just shows you how much they care about Teyla and her life. Not even a tiny mention. Logically wouldn't they have been left in the Pegasus galaxy? Because there was a considerable chance they weren't going to survive.

[nx01a]

Since Teyla and Ronon got the offer to stay in Pegasus, Teyla answered for her man and kid re: getting blown up in another galaxy. We know who wears the pants [and carries the guns] in that relationship.

[jelgate]

Since Teyla and Ronon got the offer to stay in Pegasus, Teyla answered for her man and kid re: getting blown up in another galaxy. We know who wears the pants [and carries the guns] in that relationship.

Or it could reinforce the theory that the Athosians are matarchial. Also I find it highly unlikely that Teyla and Kannan didn't talk about it

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

If they do eventually get one, I hope it isn't named Excalibur or Arthur or something generic. Maybe St George. :D The dragon-slayer, I believe.

As for Atlantis on Earth... Submerging it might be the best option for keeping it hidden. Fly the cloaked ship somewhere remote, land, shift to shield and sink her.

what about the people in the pegasus galaxy. i mean we kinda did screw up that galaxy. so untill we destroy the wraith we have a responibility to the pegasus galaxy.

[Alan]

what about the people in the pegasus galaxy. i mean we kinda did screw up that galaxy. so untill we destroy the wraith we have a responibility to the pegasus galaxy.

"We"? :P ;)

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

"We"? :P ;)

i meant the characters in the stargate universe.

[Alan]

i meant the characters in the stargate universe.

I know. I was just doing some leg pulling. Sorry. :o

[nx01a]

Of course we have an obligation to them, but the main focus of the Atlantis expedition has always been to plunder the Ancients' secrets for our/Earth's benefit. I seriously doubt Atlantis'll go back to Pegasus. We need a chair and a gateroom [since Atlantis' gate will be favoured over ours], and the Atlantis gateroom and gate are far superior to the SGC anyway.

[Mitchell82]

Of course we have an obligation to them, but the main focus of the Atlantis expedition has always been to plunder the Ancients' secrets for our/Earth's benefit. I seriously doubt Atlantis'll go back to Pegasus. We need a chair and a gateroom [since Atlantis' gate will be favoured over ours], and the Atlantis gateroom and gate are far superior to the SGC anyway.

I disagree. At that point it would not be Stargate Atlantis anymore just SG-1 part 2. If they do that I will not watch the movies.

[nx01a]

Atlantis has a gate shield and a forcefield that can surround the gate if necessary. It's far superior to the SGC. Considering how tptb've crippled Earth [no chair, the SGC gate not working], Atlantis has to be the focus of Earth's off-world endeavours. I can't see why the IOA would send Atlantis back to Pegasus, and who could really steal the city and fly it back? The city of the Ancients being in peril in Pegasus was the focus of many episodes. Let's try something different now. Send the Daedalus or Apollo or whichever ship to Pegasus and do our anti-Wraith or humanitarian whatever ops from the ships. Or dial Pegasus directly from Atlantis. Political intrigue on an Earth-bound Atlantis and killing-Wraith-in-a-forest/blasting-hives-with-Asgard-beams-in-orbit action in Pegasus! The best of both worlds.

[maxbo]

I disagree. At that point it would not be Stargate Atlantis anymore just SG-1 part 2. If they do that I will not watch the movies.

I agree. If Atlantis doesn't return to Pegasus, then I have no interest in watching SGA movies because Stargate Alantis on Earth would be too much like SG-1-lite.

I'm so against seeing Atlantis on Earth that I hope the movie doesn't spend much time on Earth. Ideally, I would love it if the first scene was of Atlantis in space trying to return to the Pegasus galaxy.

[jelgate]

.I'm so against seeing Atlantis on Earth that I hope the movie doesn't spend much time on Earth. Ideally, I would love it if the first scene was of Atlantis in space trying to return to the Pegasus galaxy

.

While I agree the SGA movie should take place mostly in the Pegasus that is a little to much. I would like to see how they are to generate power for the flight and convince the IOA let them go back

[maxbo]

While I agree the SGA movie should take place mostly in the Pegasus that is a little to much. I would like to see how they are to generate power for the flight and convince the IOA let them go back

Normally, I would agree, however, after the way Mallozzi & Co. skipped so many pertinent steps in getting to, and through, the finale, I don't see why they couldn't also gloss over the "how" in the movie and get to what I plan to watch the movie for - Atlantis away from Earth.

If they spend much of the movie on them trying to find the power to get back to Atlantis and trying to convince the IOA to let them go back, then I won't be interested.

[nx01a]

Keller: The peasants in Pegasus NEED us there! Let's take the city back now!
Woolsey: You're right, Dr. Keller. Dr. Beckett, sit in the chair and fly us back.
Beckett: Aye!

Exactly what would be achieved by taking Atlantis back to Pegasus? Can't they fight the Wraith without the city as a base? And what reason could possibly be big enough for the IOA to let the mother lode of Ancient technology go?

[amconway]

Exactly what would be achieved by taking Atlantis back to Pegasus? Can't they fight the Wraith without the city as a base? And what reason could possibly be big enough for the IOA to let the mother lode of Ancient technology go?

I have to agree with that. Fixing things in the Pegasus doesn't require Atlantis. Atlantis is interesting, the Pegasus galaxy, not so much, and it is 'Stargate Atlantis', not 'Stargate Pegasus'. It can take place where ever Atlantis is (which I can see being a short gate trip to Earth, because it can't stay there). Maybe it could be about the city for a change and all that stuff we never got to see because they were too busy killing Wraith.

[nx01a]

"While the team fights to secure a necessary Ancient component on a world held by the Wraith, Zelenka, Woolsey and Keller try to keep a newly-discovered technology on Atlantis from exploding and taking out most of the life on Earth with it. For good measure, the Daedalus and Apollo have to take on a group of hives to keep our team safe! And why exactly is the safety of the team and life on Earth in Todd's re-Wraithed hands?"

There you go. 'Killing Wraith in Pegasus + Earth in Peril + Exploring Atlantis'. Best of both galaxies.
Maybe they find the ZPM room and something goes wrong. Who knows? A rather simplistic fan wank scenario, yes, but it's a way to combine exploring Atlantis with killing Wraith while keeping the city on Earth.

[Mitchell82]

Normally, I would agree, however, after the way Mallozzi & Co. skipped so many pertinent steps in getting to, and through, the finale, I don't see why they couldn't also gloss over the "how" in the movie and get to what I plan to watch the movie for - Atlantis away from Earth.

If they spend much of the movie on them trying to find the power to get back to Atlantis and trying to convince the IOA to let them go back, then I won't be interested.

Big difference here. In the finale they just skipped over how the wormhole drive activates. Skipping the crucial story point of convincing the IOA to send Atlantis back to Pegasus would be a mistake.

[amconway]

Big difference here. In the finale they just skipped over how the wormhole drive activates. Skipping the crucial story point of convincing the IOA to send Atlantis back to Pegasus would be a mistake.

Yeah, the question of whether Atlantis goes back kind of IS the story. And how they keep Daniel from stopping them. ;)

[nx01a]

Knowing Daniel's track record, he'll find something that forces Atlantis to leave Earth for Pegasus. :D
I'm still hoping for the ZPM factory.

[Cautious Explorer]

Yeah, the question of whether Atlantis goes back kind of IS the story. And how they keep Daniel from stopping them. ;)

Well, if that is the story, it'll be a very dull one for me. I could care less about the SGC, bureaucratic arguing, the IOA, etc. That's a large part of what turned me off to SG-1.

SGA should be about Pegasus. I hate Earth-bound episodes. I can see Earth and arguing politicians on any other show.

[amconway]

Well, if that is the story, it'll be a very dull one for me. I could care less about the SGC, bureaucratic arguing, the IOA, etc. That's a large part of what turned me off to SG-1.

SGA should be about Pegasus. I hate Earth-bound episodes. I can see Earth and arguing politicians on any other show.

Well, it should be about Atlantis, but not necessarily the Pegasus Galaxy. It started out in the Milky Way, there's no reason it can't be back there again. I'm not saying that I think the whole thing will be political wrangling on Earth--this is an action/adventure, after all, but it is on Earth right now, and those isues will come up, and have to be dealt with
.
Whether it goes back to Atlantis depends on the story arc that the writers have in mind for the Atlantis movies. All I'm saying is that they're going to have to come up with a pretty compelling reason to go back given that all logic would point to them staying--in the Milky Way, if not close to the Earth.

[Cautious Explorer]

Well, it should be about Atlantis, but not necessarily the Pegasus Galaxy. It started out in the Milky Way, there's no reason it can't be back there again. I'm not saying that I think the whole thing will be political wrangling on Earth--this is an action/adventure, after all, but it is on Earth right now, and those isues will come up, and have to be dealt with
.
Whether it goes back to Atlantis depends on the story arc that the writers have in mind for the Atlantis movies. All I'm saying is that they're going to have to come up with a pretty compelling reason to go back given that all logic would point to them staying--in the Milky Way, if not close to the Earth.

Logic has never stood in the way of TPTB before. I don't care to see Atlantis in the MW at all. That's SG-1 territory and I'm not at all interested.

I really hate the idea of TPTB wasting any portion of the SGA movie on bureacratic wrangling on Earth. It made a snore fest out of SG-1 and I hoped that SGA would stay away from that.

[amconway]

Logic has never stood in the way of TPTB before. I don't care to see Atlantis in the MW at all. That's SG-1 territory and I'm not at all interested.

I really hate the idea of TPTB wasting any portion of the SGA movie on bureacratic wrangling on Earth. It made a snore fest out of SG-1 and I hoped that SGA would stay away from that.

I just couldn't disagree more. I always found SG-1 to be very interesting, and much better at exploring larger ideas and dilemas than SGA. The lack of context, and emphasis on pure action often did SGA a great disservice, both in terms of character development and storytelling. In my opinion, of course.

[Cautious Explorer]

I just couldn't disagree more. I always found SG-1 to be very interesting, and much better at exploring larger ideas and dilemas than SGA. The lack of context, and emphasis on pure action often did SGA a great disservice, both in terms of character development and storytelling. In my opinion, of course.

I just never felt much connection with the SG-1 characters, and the shows that I did happen across were often quite dull. Generals and politicians dithering at each other, worrying about reporters revealing the big secret, etc. That kind of stuff doesn't interest me all that much.

I don't care for a show that's pure action either. I don't think SGA was that type of show in the earlier seasons. Unfortunately, it's become more so in the last few seasons. The characters that I found funny and charming were largely turned into cliches in S5.

I personally think the lack of character development had less to do with SGA's setting than it had to with the writer's unfortunate fascination with all things McKay.

People have different taste. What worked for SG-1, doesn't necessarily work for SGA. I just don't want to see what I consider to be some of the worst aspects of SG-1 incorporated into SGA.

[maxbo]

Big difference here. In the finale they just skipped over how the wormhole drive activates. Skipping the crucial story point of convincing the IOA to send Atlantis back to Pegasus would be a mistake.

IMO, in the finale they skipped over a lot more than showing us how the wormhole drive activates and it made EATG hard to watch because it felt so rushed. Mallozzi mentioned on his blog that he didn't want EATG to be a two parter because he wanted it to be fast paced. Well, I disagreed with him there, but I wouldn't have a problem if he skipped over the showing us how Atlantis got to leave Earth for the movie.

The writers will have less than 2 hours to work with for the movie and I have no interest in seeing any of that precious time wasted on IOA machinations and/or other Earth-based dullness. SG-1's earth-based episodes were my least favorites and I would especially hate to see the Atlantis movie in a Earth setting.



Yeah, the question of whether Atlantis goes back kind of IS the story. And how they keep Daniel from stopping them. ;)

If the storyline of SGA movie is how Atlantis gets to leave Earth, then I will save time and money because I won't be watching. If I want to see the IOA and the SGC in action then I'll watch the third SG-1 movie instead.


Well, if that is the story, it'll be a very dull one for me. I could care less about the SGC, bureaucratic arguing, the IOA, etc. That's a large part of what turned me off to SG-1.

SGA should be about Pegasus. I hate Earth-bound episodes. I can see Earth and arguing politicians on any other show.

I agree with you about how dull SG-1's Earth-based stories are. I don't think I've ever watched any of them more than once because I just couldn't get into them.

The SGA movie had better be mostly about Atlantis and the Pegasus galaxy, otherwise I'll give it a pass.


Logic has never stood in the way of TPTB before. I don't care to see Atlantis in the MW at all. That's SG-1 territory and I'm not at all interested.

I really hate the idea of TPTB wasting any portion of the SGA movie on bureacratic wrangling on Earth. It made a snore fest out of SG-1 and I hoped that SGA would stay away from that.

Indeed. Since when has TPTB cared about logic? With that in mind, there's no good reason why they couldn't have the SGA movie begin with Atlantis already on its way back to Earth. If they want to go into detail about how it got to that point, then they should save it for the next SG-1 movie.

[amconway]

I just don't want to see what I consider to be some of the worst aspects of SG-1
There are no worst aspects of SG-1. ;)

[Alan]

There are no worst aspects of SG-1. ;)

:lol:

[Jumper_One]

Belouchi also writes: “ [...] 3. I was wondering after seeing Enemy at the Gate, Todd says he stole more than three ZPMS, but in Spoils of War we saw that wraith carrying a pouch containing exactly three ZPMS. We assumed three were used and destroyed in the cloning facility, one was used and destroyed on the Super Hive and two were gifted to Atlantis. This doesnt make sense can please explain”

Answers: [...] 3) You assume that there was only one case, the one you saw.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/febrary-20-2009-early-returns-are-positive/

[Cautious Explorer]

Big difference here. In the finale they just skipped over how the wormhole drive activates. Skipping the crucial story point of convincing the IOA to send Atlantis back to Pegasus would be a mistake.

Why? Why is so much more important to show the IOA arguing than it is to give the audience the head's up about the magical wormhole drive that appeared out of nowhere. If anythin, we can already predict with great accuracy exactly what those tedious scenes with the IOA would look and sound like. I fail to see the great attraction. More talking heads and stuffy politicans. Ooh, can't wait. ;)


There are no worst aspects of SG-1. ;)

Seriously? Everything about SG-1 was absolutely perfect? I strongly disagree. It had plenty of faults, IMO of course.

[morjana]

SGA - Stargate Hub: Atlantis By Design Contest:

At FOX's Stargate Hub SGA Fans' Choice (http://sgafanschoice.com/):


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/08/sgawall-2.jpg

It's time!

The Stargate Atlantis Fan’s Choice Keyart Design Contest has launched!

Go to http://www.sgafanschoice.com/ to register and upload your own design for a chance to be chosen as the final artwork for the Stargate Atlantis Fan’s Choice Blu-ray!

The Stargate Atlantis Blu-ray Fan’s Choice disc will contain the "beginning" and the “end" of your favorite series, featuring the extended versions of The Rising and Enemy At The Gate.

And, if design is not your thing but you appreciate good art, then vote, vote, vote! Each artist's work can only be one of the finalists based on your votes. Tell a friend and let them know which design was your favorite at http://www.sgafanschoice.com/

The contest will run from February 20 through March 13, so be sure to get your amazing artwork -- and your votes -- in soon!

[Nemises]

im still pissed at this episode.

[hisg1fans]

im still pissed at this episode.

LOL!!!

Honestly, I'm not making light of your feelings about the last SGA episode. I laugh because I still feel the same way about the last episode of SG1, Unending. And it has been how many years now? I STILL can't believe they wasted the very last episode the way they did.

I know nothing about why you are stilled pissed or your misgivings about the last episode, but I certainly do understand your feeling that way. :)

Isn't it strange how Stargate show can get in your mind and just stay there? Is that what makes a show 'great'?

I frequently ask myself why I still care so much, but haven't come up with a coherent reason yet. Still too busy ruminating over Unending I guess ;)

[katrin]

I can see the variety of points but in truth I can see why the writer(s) chose to end it this way.

1. If the city where to uncloak the massive panic of an alien city in San Fransico Bay would cause some people to go biserk... and that is what the government wanted to avoid.
2. Even in displacing the water in the bay (from the splashdown) The tide or the sudden overflow of water could be explained by an underwater earthquake.... (thats why they chose S.F.)

[Infinite-Possibilities]

I thought they landed in the Pacific Ocean and moved to San Fransisco?

[General_Finley]

This was the last episode you would have thought that they would have been able to give us more space battles, I mean I would have loved to see the Sun Tzu and the Apollo fight the super hive even if they had to lose. And why exactly was no one maning the chair shooting darts out of the sky.

[Falcon Horus]

So, I finally watched it... the end of my research which I hope to have finished a day or so.

Anyway... got little to say about it really. Didn't think it was all that bad, wasn't spectacular either but okay. Unending and EatG are in the same league, I think.

SGA didn't go out with a bang... that's for sure. But neither did SG1, so I guess that makes them even.

As is custom, there's a little bit of Teyla and Ronon - oh look, they brought them along. How nice of them.

I giggled twice:

First time when Ronon died... Jason looked all cross-eyed. Since I had already been spoiled I knew he wouldn't stay dead so didn't much care for that moment of drama.

Second time with Keller's reaction that Atlantis could be vaporized if Zelenka had the calculations wrong.... "Oh... okay." ... what else can you say, right?

I've seen better... Bye now! See you for the movie (if that gets made).

[Anda]

This episode is so cool because they landed near San Francisco.But it's sad that Stargate Atlantis ends only after 5 seasons!

[Jumper_One]

Izzy writes: “In Enemy at the Gate, I was touched to see the homage to the late Don S. Davis. What were your thoughts when you read the script and saw that Sam would be the one to pay homage to him?”

AT: I cried. I can’t say enough about Don and what he means to all of us.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/march-30-2009-amanda-tapping-answers-your-questions/

[Mitchell82]

LOL!!!

Honestly, I'm not making light of your feelings about the last SGA episode. I laugh because I still feel the same way about the last episode of SG1, Unending. And it has been how many years now? I STILL can't believe they wasted the very last episode the way they did.

I know nothing about why you are stilled pissed or your misgivings about the last episode, but I certainly do understand your feeling that way. :)

Isn't it strange how Stargate show can get in your mind and just stay there? Is that what makes a show 'great'?

I frequently ask myself why I still care so much, but haven't come up with a coherent reason yet. Still too busy ruminating over Unending I guess ;)

I still don't get what people hate about Unending. I loved it and still do same with EATG.

[Mitchell82]

Why? Why is so much more important to show the IOA arguing than it is to give the audience the head's up about the magical wormhole drive that appeared out of nowhere. If anythin, we can already predict with great accuracy exactly what those tedious scenes with the IOA would look and sound like. I fail to see the great attraction. More talking heads and stuffy politicans. Ooh, can't wait. ;)
I agree that there should have been a bit more info on the wormhole drive and maybe even see it activate I'm sure we would have if they had the time to do it. I don't agree that we shouldn't see the IOA fighting to keep Atlantis on Earth and us trying to convince them to let us go back. Skipping that would be a mistake IMO.




Seriously? Everything about SG-1 was absolutely perfect? I strongly disagree. It had plenty of faults, IMO of course.
I love SG-1 but perfect? No. No television show is perfect.

[amconway]

No television show is perfect.
Nothing is. Entropy, you know... ;)

[Mitchell82]

Nothing is. Entropy, you know... ;)

:indeed:

[Linda06]

I still don't get what people hate about Unending. I loved it and still do same with EATG.

Well personally for me it was kinda boring. I guess I wanted more action and going out with a bang. There wasn't really any action in unending *shrugs*

What? Can I help it if i'm an action kinda gal :p

[jelgate]

Well personally for me it was kinda boring. I guess I wanted more action and going out with a bang. There wasn't really any action in unending *shrugs*

What? Can I help it if i'm an action kinda gal :p

So your saying you want explosions over more inteliegent acting between characters:P

[Linda06]

So your saying you want explosions over more inteliegent acting between characters:P

Yep :D

Explosions and shooting and fighting and stuff :D

[Mitchell82]

Well personally for me it was kinda boring. I guess I wanted more action and going out with a bang. There wasn't really any action in unending *shrugs*

What? Can I help it if i'm an action kinda gal :p

I understand that as I love action as much as the next guy. However I do like a good balance between action and character interaction which both finales did IMO.

[Linda06]

I understand that as I love action as much as the next guy. However I do like a good balance between action and character interaction which both finales did IMO.

Ok I know it's been a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time since I saw Unending :p But there was action in it?

EatG was way to rushed :p

[Alan]

Ok I know it's been a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time since I saw Unending :p But there was action in it?

EatG was way to rushed :p

I remember seeing Sam in Enemy at the Gate...the rest was a blur. :D

[Linda06]

I remember seeing Sam in Enemy at the Gate...the rest was a blur. :D

:rolleyes: Why am I not surprised :p

[jelgate]

:rolleyes: Why am I not surprised :p

Well you don't count Lindaitis:P

All I remember is Atlantis in Earth's orbit.

[Linda06]

Well you don't count Lindaitis:P

All I remember is Atlantis in Earth's orbit.

:rolleyes: Yeah yeah, whatever :p

I remember Ronon all cross eyed :eek: :p

[Falcon Horus]

I remember Ronon all cross eyed :eek: :p

Making me laugh so hard, the drama was completely lost on me. :p

[Linda06]

Making me laugh so hard, the drama was completely lost on me. :p

Yeah I know. It kinda lost something seeing him like that :lol: I'm sorry.....But it was funny..Yeah i've got a weird sense o humour :p

[Mitchell82]

Ok I know it's been a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time since I saw Unending :p But there was action in it?
Um yeah. There were battles with Ori ships or did you forget that? Oh wait I forgot who I was talking to.;)


EatG was way to rushed :p
It was a bit rushed but it wasn't bad at all IMVHO.

[Alan]

It was a bit rushed but it wasn't bad at all IMVHO.

Yeah...Sam was in it. :D

[Linda06]

Um yeah. There were battles with Ori ships or did you forget that? Oh wait I forgot who I was talking to.;)

:D


It was a bit rushed but it wasn't bad at all IMVHO.

It was pretty good but like a lot of folks have said previously a two parter would have been so much better, there are a number of eps they could have replaced.... Vegas, Identity, Brainstorm (which I still don't see the point of this ep :confused:) They could have taken any of these eps out and replaced it with a two parter of EatG ;)


Yeah...Sam was in it. :D

You've got it bad dude :p

[Alan]

You've got it bad dude :p

:lol: Guilty as charged. :D

[morjana]

Stargate Atlantis - MGM Stargate: Video: Rachel Luttrell - Enemy at the Gate:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/09/video-rachel-eatg.jpg

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=10063899&postcount=1

[major davis]

At first i was not pleased. Now it is one of my fav eps. Should have been a two parter though(A non cliffhanger two parter) 9.5/10

[Jaffa-master]

This is Crap!

[Jumper_One]

DasNDanger writes: “And speaking of that jumpsuit…back in Enemy at the Gate, was Todd allowed to change in private, or did Sheppard watch??”

Answer: Are you kidding? Sheppard actually helped him change!
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/april-29-2009-simul-posting-stargate-and-the-syfy-slant/

[nx01a]

... Oh my. Really getting into the 'write a gay character' mode, huh? :D

[morjana]

Stargate Atlantis - MGM Stargate: Video: Mallozzi on Finale:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v443/morjana/09/video-mallozzionfinale.jpg

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=10150378&postcount=1

[KCIV]

Ok here is what I think would have been the better ending.

They should have had Atlantis ram the hive when they realized they were skimming the atmosphere. This would have done two things.
Left us viewers with a sense of loss instead of "oh golly gee" everything is fine and nobody died!
And second if they had indeed rammed the hive. this could have opened up so many windows for good scenes! Zelinca and Keller would be dead, thus there are so many scenes available for Rodney. Example. Rodney could give the eulogy for Zelinca! so many possibilities there! Rodney could actually give him praise and maybe even see him cry i.e. show is true character! this would have been nice to see. Also we could see him grieve over his loss of Keller. They would have saved the day but at what cost. Also Sheppard would be mad that he couldn't save the city and set off the nuke earlier. Thus we could be able to dive into his personal struggle with himself afore mentioned in Remnants. Also Tayla would be sad because her child would have died. So Ronan or Sheppard could have a very tender scene where they comfort her. Ronan would be "without a home" and have lost his "to be girlfriend" so there are many scenes that could be done there.

This ending would be very dark and depressing but I think it would be more literal and close to reality per say. As apposed to "we saved earth from the most impossible thing to destroy with hardly anyone dying!"

All in all I applaud the writers it was a decent ending to a very good series!

P.s. They should have brought back Ford. THAT would have been awesome! Maybe even have him help out the Atlantis team in saving earth.

[hedwig]

I find it interesting that every time a ship of some kind either crashes or comes hurtling through Earth's atmosphere, it lands in the Pacific Ocean. And there's often a comment by someone about the trajectory of whatever ship will bring in down in the North Pacific or somewhere in the Pacific. And Atlantis is now floating in the Pacific Ocean near San Francisco Bay. :)

[Randy_Watson]

I finally watched this tonight, which means for the first time ever, I have seen just as much Stargate as anyone else! :)

(well...maybe not infinity)

[Dindirindin]

All happens to fast, it could ba a 2 parts episode. But is a great serie end.

[Confessor Rahl]

Well, after watching episode twice today, I must say I quite liked it. It was certainly riddled with plot holes and WTFs (Ronon) but if there is not going to be an Atlantis movie in the future, I will be satisfied with the end of the series, despite never having the wraith plotline wrapped up. Hell, they could always incorporate that into Universe!

[clauz89]

I watched it yesterday, and I was waiting for something better.
one single episode seems too short for a good series finale, things happen too fast, no time for characters, thoughts...
besides, one single hiveship with one single ZPM, and two 304, Atlantis (powered by 3 ZPMs) and all earthling weaponry become useless?? And at the end all we need is a single nuke and an apparently suicide mission (not suicide only because of the usual lucky coincidence..).:zelenka26:
And since when can Becket control the chair this way?

[WraithQueenH]

Carson almost killed John and Jack in Rising so I wasn't surprised that he could fire the drones.. I was shocked that he figured out how to fly that big ship so easily.. I mean, Had he EVER flown anything before?? In my best Scotsman voice: "He's a doctor, not a pilot." (Star Trek Reference, Pun intended!) :)

[Confessor Rahl]

Carson almost killed John and Jack in Rising so I wasn't surprised that he could fire the drones.. I was shocked that he figured out how to fly that big ship so easily.. I mean, Had he EVER flown anything before?? In my best Scotsman voice: "He's a doctor, not a pilot." (Star Trek Reference, Pun intended!) :)

One of my favorite lines of the show!

[WraithQueenH]

One of my favorite lines of the show!

Mine too.. I always wanted to use it in real life.. I'm telling myself that this counts! :)

[jelgate]

Carson almost killed John and Jack in Rising so I wasn't surprised that he could fire the drones.. I was shocked that he figured out how to fly that big ship so easily.. I mean, Had he EVER flown anything before?? In my best Scotsman voice: "He's a doctor, not a pilot." (Star Trek Reference, Pun intended!) :)

That drove me nuts. Carson is not qualified to fly the city. He has zero military and tactical experence. Surely their was someone more qualified to fly the city. Like Major Lorrne for example

[Confessor Rahl]

That drove me nuts. Carson is not qualified to fly the city. He has zero military and tactical experence. Surely their was someone more qualified to fly the city. Like Major Lorrne for example

But...but... it's Carson... and... yeah!

[Stuey1221]

Atlantis has landed on Earth??!?!?!

I really need to catch up on SGA!!! :/

[Alan Wake]

That drove me nuts. Carson is not qualified to fly the city. He has zero military and tactical experence. Surely their was someone more qualified to fly the city. Like Major Lorrne for example


But...but... it's Carson... and... yeah!

Yeah... Doctors can do everything better then a normal person. :)

They always end up being the heroes in the end.

[Infinite-Possibilities]

I always looked at it as a way for the show and the character to come full circle. Since he started in the antarctic chair barely able to do anything, now he has a "look how far he's come" type deal. And maybe the qualified military people were busy infiltrating the Superhive. But yeah I see your point.

[jelgate]

I always looked at it as a way for the show and the character to come full circle. Since he started in the antarctic chair barely able to do anything, now he has a "look how far he's come" type deal. And maybe the qualified military people were busy infiltrating the Superhive. But yeah I see your point.

The city was flown way before (weeks before) Atlantis met up with the Superhive

[Nemises]

Should have tossed in a nuke through the stargate instead of those measly grenades.

It was all a farce if you ask me.

[Pharaoh Atem]

teyla,keller and ronon are so wallpaper in this ep so pathetic

[Falcon Horus]

teyla,keller and ronon are so wallpaper in this ep so pathetic

Business as usual then - and I kinda liked Keller's scene. Very Kaylee-like.

[hedwig]

That drove me nuts. Carson is not qualified to fly the city. He has zero military and tactical experence. Surely their was someone more qualified to fly the city. Like Major Lorrne for example

Does Lorne have the agent gene? Unless he does, he couldn't fly the city.

I'm pretty sure anybody with the ancient gene could have flown the city and fired the drones, since it's a combination of the gene and the mental ability to direct the drones.

Obviously there's an enormous difference in size between a jumper and the city, but Carson has flown jumpers before and fired off drones when called on to do so.

From the history of both series, it seems that O'Neill and Shepherd had the strongest gene necessary. But I think that Carson told Rodney in EatG that he (Carson) was next in line after Shepherd on the list of people who should (if able) fly the city if it became necessary. He was even ahead of McKay on the list (which Rodney was surprised to hear).

[Pharaoh Atem]

Business as usual then - and I kinda liked Keller's scene. Very Kaylee-like.

i cuaght on to that but it would be nice if the writers could have learned to write multiple cast members sooner

[WraithQueenH]

Yeah... Doctors can do everything better then a normal person. :)

They always end up being the heroes in the end.

Not in Stargate. In Stargate doctors tend to die.

[Replicator Todd]

Not in Stargate. In Stargate doctors tend to die.

But die as heroes.

[Rosehawk]

Does Lorne have the agent gene? Unless he does, he couldn't fly the city.
He must because he flies puddle jumpers and there was an episode where people with the gene were being kidnapped by the Genii and Lorne was one of those kidnapped.


I'm pretty sure anybody with the ancient gene could have flown the city and fired the drones, since it's a combination of the gene and the mental ability to direct the drones.

Obviously there's an enormous difference in size between a jumper and the city, but Carson has flown jumpers before and fired off drones when called on to do so.

From the history of both series, it seems that O'Neill and Shepherd had the strongest gene necessary. But I think that Carson told Rodney in EatG that he (Carson) was next in line after Shepherd on the list of people who should (if able) fly the city if it became necessary. He was even ahead of McKay on the list (which Rodney was surprised to hear).
Sheppard, Carson and O'Neill all have the gene naturally. Rodney got it through the therapy. Maybe that has something to do with it.
Plus you would probably want Rodney checking systems and doing other Scientific stuff while the City was flying so it might be a matter of priortizing where someone needs to be during events like flying the city.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

i wish they made this a two-parter.

[Pharaoh Atem]

i wish they made this a two-parter.

along with most of fandom

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

i mean don't get me wrong it was a very good episode i just think with the story and how much they crammed into it it should've been either a 90-minute or a two-part episode.

[hedwig]

i mean don't get me wrong it was a very good episode i just think with the story and how much they crammed into it it should've been either a 90-minute or a two-part episode.

I think before the producers knew the series was cancelled and they were still thinking they were going to get picked up for a 6th season, EatG was supposed to have been a two-parter (cliff hanger) that would have finished up with the second part being shown at the beginning of the 6th season. Since the series didn't get picked up (and they didn't find out until nearly the end of the 5th season:(), everything got pretty much crammed into one episode.

After saying all that (:)), you're right. It would have been way better as a 90 minute episode or two part episode.:D

[garhkal]

Does Lorne have the agent gene? Unless he does, he couldn't fly the city.


Yes. We have seen him fly the puddle jumpers many a time.

As for making it a 2 parter. I would have loved to se it being a THREE parter like the Siege was.
Part 1 is todd showing up and letting us know of the super hive.
Then us going to find it and try destroy it before it is finished and launches
Part 2 is us getting beat, it leaving and us limping back to atlantis to get it prepped to launch
Part 3 is us getting ahead of it near earth and all the forces of earth ganging up on it, destroying it but at the cost of most of our fleet and with atlantis severly damaged.

[luzestelar]

Everything seemed so rushed to me... I'm also not sure about Todd's destiny.

[Kyarra]

It was a good episode and I, too, wish they just floated on in to San Fran Bay, without the cloak. Haha, imagine the panic.

Though, I hope they get Atlantis back into the Pegasus Galaxy...just seems right.

I agree, at least with the bit about taking Atlantis back to the Pegasus Galaxy... not much point in having an expedition on the city if it's sitting off the coast of California... there's definitely something to be said for being in another galaxy.

[Pharaoh Atem]

Everything seemed so rushed to me... I'm also not sure about Todd's destiny.

the enemies were rushing to get to the gate. couldn't be helped

[ZGoten]

One thing I noticed was that Carter looked really hot in this episode. :O

[g.o.d]

One thing I noticed was that Carter looked really hot in this episode. :O

as always :D

[Alan]

One thing I noticed was that Carter looked really hot in this episode. :O

Yeah. I definitely remember seeing Sam at the Gate. Enemies at the Gate? Nope. :D

[Krisz]

As someone who hasn't watched SGA as much as SG-1, I'd like to ask all the SGA experts here about something that McKay says in this episode. I watched this again yesterday and wondered in which episode did the McKay of the 'Enemy at the Gate' reality meet the other Sheppard of our reality. Was there an episode of SGA where this happened, or am I imagining that I did see an episode, apart from 'The Daedalus Variations' where they meet an alternate reality McKay?

Thanks! :)

[Falcon Horus]

There's an episode in season 3 where they pull an alternate McKay through - McKay & Mrs.Miller (http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s3/308.shtml).

[jelgate]

As someone who hasn't watched SGA as much as SG-1, I'd like to ask all the SGA experts here about something that McKay says in this episode. I watched this again yesterday and wondered in which episode did the McKay of the 'Enemy at the Gate' reality meet the other Sheppard of our reality. Was there an episode of SGA where this happened, or am I imagining that I did see an episode, apart from 'The Daedalus Variations' where they meet an alternate reality McKay?

Thanks! :)
It never happened

[Krisz]

There's an episode in season 3 where they pull an alternate McKay through - McKay & Mrs.Miller (http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s3/308.shtml).

Thanks, that must be the episode I vaguely remember, and that there was a McKay from another reality in ours. :)

[asdf1239]

what was so dangerous about atlantis being pushed into the atmosphere? it's not like there would be a problem, in vegas a dart entered the atmosphere easily...

[Coco Pops]

and why not just uncloak the city you don't think planes might fly into a cloaked dome????? Would have been a neat way to make the Stargate program public........

I would have liked that.

[asdf1239]

they said the area was under naval quarantine, i wonder how long they can maintain it until someone notices the odd wave patterns though

[Coco Pops]

they said the area was under naval quarantine, i wonder how long they can maintain it until someone notices the odd wave patterns though

That is a piss weak excuse and I think Atlantis uncloaking in San Fran bay would have been very, very cool and a great ending.

[asdf1239]

im sure anyone with a telescope could see those two massive floating objects close to the atmosphere and the hives nuclear explosion

and theres the air battle at area 51, someone probably got it on video

[Coco Pops]

I think they should have let the city land in San Francisco bay like they did but uncloak to the world.......

Why keep all this secret bullcrap?

You don't think anyone would have seen the air battle over area 51 and done a video of that?

And what if the Wraith had descended on Earth in large enough numbers then you can't say "Oh we didn't know" they should have made it all public then and there when the city landed back on Earth..

Although for intrigue I wonder what the political fallout would have been had they had a major attack that could not be denied and still kept the city hidden in San Fran bay?

[Martina Magnus]

Sad this was the last ep ... :(

[lordofseas]

Sad this was the last an ep ... :(

Fixed.

[Martina Magnus]

Fixed.

Fixed :)

[mrscopterdoc]

so........Sheppard is the only one that can be in the chair on Earth? :confused:

I am glad that Carson had a part in this though....and hey there was Ronon and Teyla, for a bit. But Teyla just left her son in another galaxy? hmmmm......

and then the chair gets blown up.....of course, but hey, then Sheppard gets to fly the 302. And then Sheppard does yet another suicide mission. :rolleyes:

Good to see Lorne, however briefly.

After all the fighting, one small knife in the kidney/lung kills Ronon??? Puhleaze. The crossed eyes was funny. :lol: And then brought back to life.....*sigh* and the team saves him in the nick of time, of course.

Carson saves the day! YAY!

Ronon and Amelia? *head desk*

I know they had planned it as a 2 parter and then season 6 got cancelled, but, I just do not care for this episode. Could be that I am angry that the series got cancelled. :P

[jelgate]

so........Sheppard is the only one that can be in the chair on Earth? :confused:

I am glad that Carson had a part in this though....and hey there was Ronon and Teyla, for a bit. But Teyla just left her son in another galaxy? hmmmm......

and then the chair gets blown up.....of course, but hey, then Sheppard gets to fly the 302. And then Sheppard does yet another suicide mission. :rolleyes:

Good to see Lorne, however briefly.

After all the fighting, one small knife in the kidney/lung kills Ronon??? Puhleaze. The crossed eyes was funny. :lol: And then brought back to life.....*sigh* and the team saves him in the nick of time, of course.

Carson saves the day! YAY!

Ronon and Amelia? *head desk*

I know they had planned it as a 2 parter and then season 6 got cancelled, but, I just do not care for this episode. Could be that I am angry that the series got cancelled. :P
Actually he did not. EATG was largely unchanged because of the cancelation. It always ticks me off of all the people with ATA you chose Carson to fly the city. That makes no sense. I would have gone with Lorne or someone in the military where this is their expertise.

[Pharaoh Atem]

Actually he did not. EATG was largely unchanged because of the cancelation. It always ticks me off of all the people with ATA you chose Carson to fly the city. That makes no sense. I would have gone with Lorne or someone in the military where this is their expertise.

how is it anyone's expertise to fly a flying city with their mind?

[mrscopterdoc]

Actually he did not. EATG was largely unchanged because of the cancelation. It always ticks me off of all the people with ATA you chose Carson to fly the city. That makes no sense. I would have gone with Lorne or someone in the military where this is their expertise.

wow, that almost makes it worse that it wasn't to be a two parter. And I agree, I like Carson, but in a situation like that....military should take over. And Lorne is a trained pilot, it might help in flying a space ship, even if it is a city. I mean Lorne would have more experience in the jumper.

[Pharaoh Atem]

but if someones ata gene is strong wouldn't that person have a easier time interfacing with the system?

[mrscopterdoc]

that is true, but who is to say that Lorne's gene isn't stronger than Carson's? And just the simple fact that Lorne has more experience flying a puddle jumper *might* make it easier in flying the city.

[jelgate]

how is it anyone's expertise to fly a flying city with their mind?

Lorne is a trained military soldier not to mentioned trained in space combat. I would trust him a lot more then a medical doctor

[fumblesmcstupid]

John DID fly the city in First Strike. So he has flown the city ONE more time than than Lorne or Carson.

[Linda06]

so........Sheppard is the only one that can be in the chair on Earth? :confused:

I am glad that Carson had a part in this though....and hey there was Ronon and Teyla, for a bit. But Teyla just left her son in another galaxy? hmmmm......

and then the chair gets blown up.....of course, but hey, then Sheppard gets to fly the 302. And then Sheppard does yet another suicide mission. :rolleyes:

Good to see Lorne, however briefly.

After all the fighting, one small knife in the kidney/lung kills Ronon??? Puhleaze. The crossed eyes was funny. :lol: And then brought back to life.....*sigh* and the team saves him in the nick of time, of course.

Carson saves the day! YAY!

Ronon and Amelia? *head desk*

I know they had planned it as a 2 parter and then season 6 got cancelled, but, I just do not care for this episode. Could be that I am angry that the series got cancelled. :P

You pretty much summed it up.

Out of 5 billion people on Earth Shep is the only one that can use the chair? :rolleyes: What they gonna do? Ask the Wraith to hold off their attack till he can get there. *shakes head*

And then having a medical doctor who could barely even control one single drone fly the city? Sheesh, every time he was asked to sit in the chair he was having palpitations :rolleyes:

Yep Ronon and Teyla were there........And.......Yep Ronon and Teyla were there :p

So how many suicide missions has he been on? 3,525,287? Or round about there? ;)

WHAT? Didn't you know Ronon and Amelia were in lurve? Didn't you see it? :p

Yep I think these guys have made an artform out of plucking things out of thin air ;)

Oh and don't forget the "wormhole drive" that no one ever heard of till this ep ;)

[Falcon Horus]

I am glad that Carson had a part in this though....and hey there was Ronon and Teyla, for a bit. But Teyla just left her son in another galaxy? hmmmm......

Apparently she didn't... Kanaan and Torren were in the city at the time of lift-off.

Something that had to be explained after the episode since it was one of the big left open questions.

[g.o.d]

Apparently she didn't... Kanaan and Torren were in the city at the time of lift-off.

Something that had to be explained after the episode since it was one of the big left open questions.

yeah, fate of two invisible and completely useless characters is really important :D

[Falcon Horus]

yeah, fate of two invisible and completely useless characters is really important :D

Hey, Ronon and Teyla aren't always useless... :p

[g.o.d]

Hey, Ronon and Teyla aren't always useless... :p

I though you were speaking about Torren and his mutant father. But Teyla and Ronon were useless as well :)

[Linda06]

Apparently she didn't... Kanaan and Torren were in the city at the time of lift-off.

Something that had to be explained after the episode since it was one of the big left open questions.

Were they in the closet? :p

[Falcon Horus]

I though you were speaking about Torren and his mutant father. But Teyla and Ronon were useless as well :)

I was actually... :p ...But in this episode (and unfortunately many others) same can be said for our Pegasus natives. :S


Were they in the closet? :p

Hiding. Or possibly locked up.

[fumblesmcstupid]

They were hiding from the writer that wanted Torren to be a Prophet.

[mrscopterdoc]

Apparently she didn't... Kanaan and Torren were in the city at the time of lift-off.
I must have dozed off I mean blinked and missed that part....


Hey, Ronon and Teyla aren't always useless... :pquite true....in season 5 they were great for propping up walls and ummm, standing in the background....and ummmm.....something else I am sure. :P

[Falcon Horus]

I must have dozed off I mean blinked and missed that part....

Don't worry, it wasn't in the episode so if you dozed off you didn't miss that particular thing.


quite true....in season 5 they were great for propping up walls and ummm, standing in the background....and ummmm.....something else I am sure. :P

Nominees for the Award of Best Walldecoration are:

Teyla Emmagan - Stargate Atlantis
Ronon Dex - Stargate Atlantis
Morgana - Merlin

And the Award of Best Walldecoration goes to.... *drum roll* ... Teyla Emmagan!

*hands statue in the shape of a roll of wallpaper to the winner*

[mrscopterdoc]

:lol:

wait! doesn't she also get an award for best hair, as in constantly changing and looks like a model on a hair dye box?

[Linda06]

:lol:

wait! doesn't she also get an award for best hair, as in constantly changing and looks like a model on a hair dye box?I think you're mistaking Teyla for Keller and her ever changing hair style in The lost tribe :p

[mrscopterdoc]

there is that too [curly! no straight! no, it's curly I say!] but the last few eppies of season 5 Teyla's wig/hair was.....wow.

[fumblesmcstupid]

What does Rachel Luttrells real hair look like anyway?

[jelgate]

:lol:

wait! doesn't she also get an award for best hair, as in constantly changing and looks like a model on a hair dye box?

I give that to Ronon and the walking dreds

[mrscopterdoc]

oh you mean the spider wig? :P

[Linda06]

there is that too [curly! no straight! no, it's curly I say!] but the last few eppies of season 5 Teyla's wig/hair was.....wow.Yes it was, what we seen of it anyways. And if you squint hard enough you can even see it in the background :D Or was that a Mark on the lens :eek:


What does Rachel Luttrells real hair look like anyway?I'm on my iPod so I can't post a pic of Rachel but if little Lemming is still here I'm sure she'll have some piccies :D


I give that to Ronon and the walking dredsI hope you're not talking about the wig which could possibly win an award for worst wig in the universe :eek:

[Falcon Horus]

What does Rachel Luttrells real hair look like anyway?

Something like this ... screencap from The Aviary, a low-budget film she did a few years ago.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/FalconHorus/Screencaps/The%20Aviary/rl01.jpg

And look... someone else we know was also in that film:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/FalconHorus/Screencaps/The%20Aviary/cr_aviary027.jpg

Must uphold Jelgate's 4th law once in a while. :p

[VampyreWraith]

Something like this ... screencap from The Aviary, a low-budget film she did a few years ago.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/FalconHorus/Screencaps/The%20Aviary/rl01.jpg

And look... someone else we know was also in that film:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y188/FalconHorus/Screencaps/The%20Aviary/cr_aviary027.jpg

Must uphold Jelgate's 4th law once in a while. :p

really nice pics :) I like Rachel's hair better dark.
I just finished watching EATG again; it started out pretty good imo, but then once they got back to Atlantis from the Daedalus it just felt way too rushed, I felt like I was really missing something while I was watching it.

[fumblesmcstupid]

Naw!I KNOW I didn't miss anything. I saw the wall I kept banging my head against. I had pretty good aim. *LOL*

[Linda06]

Naw!I KNOW I didn't miss anything. I saw the wall I kept banging my head against. I had pretty good aim. *LOL*

There were a lot of headdesk moments this season :eek: I sure went through a lot of aspirin :p

[jelgate]

Naw!I KNOW I didn't miss anything. I saw the wall I kept banging my head against. I had pretty good aim. *LOL*


There were a lot of headdesk moments this season :eek: I sure went through a lot of aspirin :p
Sure, their was no brain damange?

[fumblesmcstupid]

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[Linda06]

Sure, their was no brain damange?

Brain damage? What brain? :p


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*nods head* http://www.smilescollection.com/smiles/fool/sc_7395.gif

[Jumper_One]

mrmichaelt writes: “On 1/17/11′s mailbag, you answered 80% of Destiny is left to be explored. On the series finale of Stargate Atlantis, how much of Atlantis was explored by the expedition?”

Answer: My guess? 60%.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/january-18-2011-some-iron-hunt-discussion-fundraiser-alert-and-yet-another-mailbag/

[Czab]

So what super secret mission was the Odyssey on? Will that show up in the movie?

Good question, what could be more important than saving earth? :) I'm thinking that maybe these events coincide with the events on 'The Ark Of Truth', and the Odyssey is in the Ori home-galaxy.

[Coco Pops]

Good question, what could be more important than saving earth? :) I'm thinking that maybe these events coincide with the events on 'The Ark Of Truth', and the Odyssey is in the Ori home-galaxy.

Maybe they're finding the intergalactic pizza hut :)

Seriously what more can they be looking for the Ark solved the Ori problem

[jelgate]

Good question, what could be more important than saving earth? :) I'm thinking that maybe these events coincide with the events on 'The Ark Of Truth', and the Odyssey is in the Ori home-galaxy.
AOT occured 2 years prior to EATG

[Julian]

I finall finished SGA last week and damn this episode was just, BAD.

In fact, the whole fifth season was just disappointed. Barely any time on Wraith, so many one off episodes with little to do with anything, especially that horrible episode on earth with Keller and McKay

But Enemey at the Gate - as the final epiosde - really takes the cake.

Before I ***** too much, I just want to know - did they know SGA was being cancelled before it was written/produced? Because man, what a **** ending. Nothing happens all season and them wham bam boom so much happens in one episode it's just weird and unbelievable and then they're on Earth in the worst and most unbelievable way possible.

I was surprised at the "cameo" from AT, but she had WAYY too much makeup on.

[Falcon Horus]

Before I ***** too much, I just want to know - did they know SGA was being cancelled before it was written/produced?

No, they (presumably) didn't know... and thus it was a done deal.

[Julian]

^No wonder it ended on such a pathetic note. It's kind of sad really, stations should let them know so they have time to come up with a proper ending >.<

[Falcon Horus]

^No wonder it ended on such a pathetic note. It's kind of sad really, stations should let them know so they have time to come up with a proper ending >.<

And what would have been a proper ending? Atlantis was all over the place at that time, as far as stories and threads goes, I mean.

[chrono trigger]

^No wonder it ended on such a pathetic note. It's kind of sad really, stations should let them know so they have time to come up with a proper ending >.<

to be honest even if they had notice i doubt the ending would of been very good as the quality had dropped so much after the first 3 seasons.

[g.o.d]

^No wonder it ended on such a pathetic note. It's kind of sad really, stations should let them know so they have time to come up with a proper ending >.<

I highly doubt it would make any difference

[Skie]

Terrible, terrible ep. I don't know where to start with:

1. ZPM and hive: Is it ever before stated that inefficient power generation is the Achilles' heel of Wraith technology? Or was that just to have a convenient plot. And why would that be the Achilles' heel, the hive ships never before had any problems with energy. In the eps. they didn't loose their weapons or their hyper drive 'cause of lack of energy but because it got damaged. Am I the only one who thinks this explanation is hilarious. Oh Please don't tell me that's the weakness in Wraith technology? Because it wouldn't need a genious and a lot of intel to find out that a ship as not enough power.
2. Why would it take so long to adapt organic technology for the ZPM's? They already solved this problem with their cloning facility (also organic) in the ep SOW!
3. That's the third time Todd got betrayed and thanks to that the lanteans have a warning and can put paid to a wraith plan. Sure Todd is so stupid to get tricked three times.
4. Whormhole drive - no comment
5. stargate on hive - of course the wraith don't think this is a security risk
6. How many ZPM's does Todd have. In SOW it was clearly stated that he only aquired 3. The wraith clearly states to Todd: "I have the rematerialised cargo from the Darts." And oh look, it was a bag with 3 ZPM's in it, not more.
7. Shepp was referring to Todd as a "live grenade in my pocket, just waitin' for it to all go wrong for that one thing you forgot to mention." When did that actually ever happened before? Just another example of Shepps hateful rantings and distrust against Todd, which never made any sense considering the events in COMMON GROUND.

[maneth]

I wouldn't be so pessimistic as Skie. An okay finale but nothing truly spectacular, and yeah, suspension of disbelief is definitely needed...

[Snowman37]

I don't get the hate for this episode. As an unintentional series finale, it worked out great! Yes, the wormhole drive should have been foreshadowed. Yes, ZPM's being the sole cause of a Wraith hive being unstoppable is a bit silly. So what? It's television, folks. There are other episodes with far greater flaws. Anyway, a Wraith hive makes it all the way to Earth crippling every Earth ship in its way. The only thing I would change is scrapping "Vegas" (I didn't like the episode) in favor of "Enemy at the Gate" being a two-parter or movie event.

[Lythisrose]

I don't get the hate for this episode. As an unintentional series finale, it worked out great! Yes, the wormhole drive should have been foreshadowed. Yes, ZPM's being the sole cause of a Wraith hive being unstoppable is a bit silly. So what? It's television, folks. There are other episodes with far greater flaws. Anyway, a Wraith hive makes it all the way to Earth crippling every Earth ship in its way. The only thing I would change is scrapping "Vegas" (I didn't like the episode) in favor of "Enemy at the Gate" being a two-parter or movie event.

I'd scrap Identity or Brainstorm before scrapping Vegas, that ep set up the events of EaTG. (and it was REALLY GOOD!) :P

[Snowman37]

Both "Brainstorm" and "Identity" were far more entertaining than "Vegas." The alternate reality episode was just a waste of time. Now, if the story had been rewritten to include our characters crossing over or perhaps a character from that world crossing over to our Atlantis, that'd be a different matter. As the episode stands... meh... The setup for the finale is covered in dialogue in the finale itself rendering "Vegas" a waste of time. If you scrap "Vegas" and expand "Enemy at the Gate" into a two-parter or movie event, there's far more time to properly set up the threat of the Wraith hive and how it finds the location of Earth.

[Lythisrose]

Vegas was one of the best eps of the series, I'm incredibly glad they didn't scrap it! Although putting it earlier in the season, eliminating Identity or Brainstorm and then making EaTG a two-parter would have been my preference.

[Snowman37]

Not to get off topic... Could you tell me why "Vegas" is one of your favorite episodes? I usually enjoy alternate reality episodes, but there was no crossover thus what was the point?

[Lythisrose]

Not to get off topic... Could you tell me why "Vegas" is one of your favorite episodes? I usually enjoy alternate reality episodes, but there was no crossover thus what was the point?
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OK, I enjoyed Vegas for a variety of reasons, NGL, I loved the fact that we finally had a Sheppard focused episode (big fan if you can't tell), but besides that I loved the music, the cinematography, the AU versions of what our guys could have become if they hadn't been together on Atlantis.

I found the Vegas Wraith and Todd to be fascinating. I wanted to know more about how the lives of these AU versions differed and evolved. I actually cried at the end when Sheppard died, which I've never done for any episode of SG before or since.

My quibbles with the ep are that they should have found a way to include Teyla and Ronon, but other than that it was just a beautiful piece of work. I always liked CSI so I guess that helped too. And I've always thought, if they wanted to go dark and gritty with Stargate, they should have used this as a spin off point for a 3rd series. And it did set up the message that led to the SuperHive making its' way to Earth in our reality, so it did have a point.

I feel it would have been better received if it had aired much earlier in the season, and then that plot point could have been picked up again towards the end, leading to the conclusion with the battle on Earth. The last eps should have all been about the Wraith making their way to earth, at least 2 or 3 episodes and our desperate quest to stop them. That's why I feel Brainstorm and Identity served no purpose at all.

[Angela V]

I'd scrap Identity or Brainstorm before scrapping Vegas, that ep set up the events of EaTG. (and it was REALLY GOOD!) :P

My 11 year old son would hate you if Brainstorm was canceled. He just finished watching season 5 for the first time. He liked that episode so much that he brought two friends home who have NEVER seen an episode to watch Brainstorm because the "science guy" was in it! Yes, I admit my son is weird. But then so am I, so it runs in the family.

[blazingfire]

My 11 year old son would hate you if Brainstorm was canceled. He just finished watching season 5 for the first time. He liked that episode so much that he brought two friends home who have NEVER seen an episode to watch Brainstorm because the "science guy" was in it! Yes, I admit my son is weird. But then so am I, so it runs in the family.

If Brainstorm had never aired, then your son would have never known about it and thus no hating :)

[Jumper_One]

cwillmanbunge writes: “Nothing personal, but when it comes to series finales the ones for SG-1, SGA, and SGU were okay, but they weren’t satisfying.”

Answer: To be fair, with the exception of SG-1, they weren’t planned as series finale but season finales. In the case of both SGA and SGU, we thought chances were good that we would be back or, in a worst case scenario, would at least be afforded the opportunity to wrap things up with a movie.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2011/07/17/july-17-2011-the-transporter-another-stargate-connection-dog-pics-catching-up-with-the-mailbag/

[garhkal]

Good to here, if a bit too late.

[WraithRichard]

I'd scrap Identity or Brainstorm before scrapping Vegas, that ep set up the events of EaTG. (and it was REALLY GOOD!) :P

I didn't like it at all, but I felt it could actually be redeemed, unlike those two. The'res fanservice and there's a good episode. There's nostalgia and there's a good episode.

[garhkal]

Agreed. Loved vegas as a set up to EatG.

[Blizzah]

Vegas was a cool shift in the way the story was told and I like CSI so I would probably be more inclined to like it anyway. I do agree though with another comment that it could have been aired earlier in the season.

[WraithRichard]

Vegas was a cool shift in the way the story was told and I like CSI so I would probably be more inclined to like it anyway. I do agree though with another comment that it could have been aired earlier in the season.

Vegas failed to live up to its potential. Unlike other episodes of alternate timelines/realities, we didn't get much out of the characters.

This wasn't a case of 'same characters, new world' or 'same world new characters' so we only had appearances to connect with them. That was a big risk that didn't pay off. We didn't learn about the characters the way we should have, the were all surface and no depth. The most depth we got was from the wraith.