Earth ship override (lost tribe spoiler)

[ha'tak_]

have you seen how other racec can allways override earth ships computers so quickli and then when we try to gain acces it allway takes intil the last sec

the same is when we try to caputure another ship we can never override the ships lock out code

cant we put a decripded code or somethink so enemys will take a long time to gain acces to our ships controles

[stargater1990]

have you seen how other racec can allways override earth ships computers so quickli and then when we try to gain acces it allway takes intil the last sec

the same is when we try to caputure another ship we can never override the ships lock out code

cant we put a decripded code or somethink so enemys will take a long time to gain acces to our ships controles

i believe you mean encrypted code.

also, ive got another idea that could help in the event of a take over.

1) have our sensors continually scan the bridge and other sensitive areas and if it detects the energy discharge of a wraith stunner it would automatically shut down all of the computer consols untill someone went and typed in a secret code in a keypad hidden somewhere on the ship. perferably inside one of the pannels on the walls. this way when todd stunned the bridge crew, the ship would have shut down untill they regained control.

2) this idea is a bit more complex. well they could also implant every member of the crew with a implant that would basically function as the ATA gene does to ancient tech. basically, each implant would be programmed with that persons security clearence and when they walk up to a computer console, it would tell the computer that he is allowed to access this console and it would unfreze it. it is inportant to note that it would not unlock it but it would unfreeze it because every time someone steps away from a console it will lock up so that no imput at all is allowed and you cant bypass security protocals if you cant type or use a mouse. but when they walk back to it and the computer detects their implant it will unfreze in miliseconds allowing imput again.

however, it order to prevent todd from just pulling an unconcious person over to a console and unfrezing it, the implant should be designed to detect when the person its in has been stunned. this way it will deactivate itself and canot be used untill that person goes to a secret area of the ship, like a closet thats not on the plans, and there they will find the machine that will reactivate their implant if they imput the correct code on a keypad built into it.

additionally, the implants could also be connected to the door control that would allow only persons with the designated security clearence through certin doors like engineering and the bridge wich would be usefull if we ever built a large ship and have like 400 crewmen.

[ha'tak_]

i believe you mean encrypted code.

also, ive got another idea that could help in the event of a take over.

1) have our sensors continually scan the bridge and other sensitive areas and if it detects the energy discharge of a wraith stunner it would automatically shut down all of the computer consols untill someone went and typed in a secret code in a keypad hidden somewhere on the ship. perferably inside one of the pannels on the walls. this way when todd stunned the bridge crew, the ship would have shut down untill they regained control.

2) this idea is a bit more complex. well they could also implant every member of the crew with a implant that would basically function as the ATA gene does to ancient tech. basically, each implant would be programmed with that persons security clearence and when they walk up to a computer console, it would tell the computer that he is allowed to access this console and it would unfreze it. it is inportant to note that it would not unlock it but it would unfreeze it because every time someone steps away from a console it will lock up so that no imput at all is allowed and you cant bypass security protocals if you cant type or use a mouse. but when they walk back to it and the computer detects their implant it will unfreze in miliseconds allowing imput again.

however, it order to prevent todd from just pulling an unconcious person over to a console and unfrezing it, the implant should be designed to detect when the person its in has been stunned. this way it will deactivate itself and canot be used untill that person goes to a secret area of the ship, like a closet thats not on the plans, and there they will find the machine that will reactivate their implant if they imput the correct code on a keypad built into it.

additionally, the implants could also be connected to the door control that would allow only persons with the designated security clearence through certin doors like engineering and the bridge wich would be usefull if we ever built a large ship and have like 400 crewmen.

very much true

[thekillman]

look the wraith are very smart. each of them is like a mckay. besides, they had plenty of time to crack our codes. AND everything was already active when they captured it: its like someone stealing your laptop when logged in

[Gatz]

Or, the writers could write realistically and stop writing aliens craking systems they have never seen (same with humans cracking alien systems).

[stargater1990]

Or, the writers could write realistically and stop writing aliens craking systems they have never seen (same with humans cracking alien systems).

well in all honesty, it was todd that cracked the deadalus and he spent a year or more on atlantis using mckays computers so its quite likely that he knows our language and has a basic understanding of how our computers opperate.

[freyr's mother]

The thing is because of how advanced our ships are, they should not be easy to commandeer. There should be sensors everywhere on the ship that would internally detect bursts of energy coming from within the corridors and rooms that would send the ship into lockdown. They should have security protocols that people enact when they have an enemy on board and are within range of enemy ships. Power down and lock out the beaming array, hyperdrive, and lockdown the bridge. Hell, the bridge should always be locked. I believe sensitive areas on our naval vessels have highly restricted security clearance. Why the hell shouldnt this apply to much more formidable vessels that have sensitive information in them?

[Gatz]

well in all honesty, it was todd that cracked the deadalus and he spent a year or more on atlantis using mckays computers so its quite likely that he knows our language and has a basic understanding of how our computers opperate.

That's like assuming a Microsoft Office user with a year experience knows how to hack a fbi server.

Besides, the only way to "hack" into a front-end application (which is the only thing monitors display), unless it has a supersecret invisible button that allows you to bypass all security protocols without any password, is using a brute-force attack, and I really doubt they had time for that.

[stargater1990]

That's like assuming a Microsoft Office user with a year experience knows how to hack a fbi server.

Besides, the only way to "hack" into a front-end application (which is the only thing monitors display), unless it has a supersecret invisible button that allows you to bypass all security protocols without any password, is using a brute-force attack, and I really doubt they had time for that.

we all know that the wraith are a bright bunch and are actually quite intelegent. and todd had a year or more time to experiment with our computers so its safe to say he knows alot about them by now. i mean if mckay can be able to hack into wraith computers why cant todd do it. plus wraith computers hav got to be more complex tham ours and if he knows a lot about his, then its like hacking into an outdated system whic would be quite easy.

[Gatz]

I pointed out Mckay should stop too doing so (you can't just break an any useful encryption in a hartbeat even if you know the algorythm).

Being bright doesen't give you the hability to understand how things you can't even see (the source code) work, let alone the language the program is written with.

Unless 10000 years ago, the Wraith used x86 computer architecture and a gnu c compiler (just an example), earth technology being outdated means nothing to them

[stargater1990]

I pointed out Mckay should stop too doing so (you can't just break an any useful encryption in a hartbeat even if you know the algorythm).

Being bright doesen't give you the hability to understand how things you can't even see (the source code) work, let alone the language the program is written with.

Unless 10000 years ago, the Wraith used x86 computer architecture and a gnu c compiler (just an example), earth technology being outdated means nothing to them

but todd didint really break any encryption. all he did was change the password, which since he was able to hack into the gate bridge he shouldnt have any trouble being able to do it i mean HE WAS ON OUR COMPUTERS AND KNOWS THEM VERY WELL. we see it all the time, having one password overwrritten by another like in the atlantis episode the long goodbye. mckay was able to delete all passwords and would hav been able to setup a new one in a little while. that was all todd did. the deadalus was already logged into everything so there were no passwords to get around he had direct access to the computer immediately.


and no level of encryption is ever truely unbreakable. i mean all it takes is an extremely intelegent person, such as mckay or carter. and for all we know, todd is to the wraith what mckay is to us, one of the brightest person in their/our society. i really dont see why its so outrageous that todd was able to rewrite the password when mckay can do it. but hey, thats just my opinion.

[Finger13]

I agree that there should be sensors that disrupt the power to all critical systems like navigation and beaming.

When SGC was hit with the Wraith stun device, it automatically went into shut down and seriously hindered the Wraith attack.

Also, if the sensors didn't detect friendly life signs in the bridge, they should vent the atmosphere to kill the captors.

Of course these would have to be incredibly advanced sensors. If our systems were cut in the middle of a battle and then the oxygen was flushed out of the bridge, I think we'd be in a bit of trouble haha.

But yeah, after having the Prometheus and Odyssey each taken over, one would think we would have some form of authentication and security system in place.

Certainly we could have some kind of ATA system to restrict access to only those with human DNA. That would be the least that we could do.

[EternalAlteran]

Well we use stunners all of the time. And I think it is strange too Caldwell didn't had the Wraith checked. During our Alliance with Wraith in Allies, we checked them every once and a while (read transcript).

Also we are talking about Todd, he is probably the smartest Wraith around there, except maybe for Michael when he was a Wraith.