Should Sheppard get command of Atlantis?

[Daniel Jackson]

Sheppard's been a Lieutennant Colonel for four years now. For the movie, would it be unreasonable to promote him to full Colonel and give him command of Atlantis? Woolsey could still have a large role in the movie since it would just be one story. He could, perhaps, be observing Sheppard's leadership? If the show had not been cancelled, then I'd be fine with Sheppard remaining chief military officer while someone else runs the city, but... being a movie and all... time for change?

[Jeff O'Connor]

I think changing the expedition's leadership a third time in two seasons and the first telefilm is definitely pushing it, don't you? I mean, I think Sheppard could have been doing a fantastic job already, and I don't doubt that he would in the future, presuming he ever takes over. As I pointed out in another thread concerning the concept of him getting the position, though, I don't think he wants it. In fact, Sam specifically mentions 'now I see why you didn't want this job.'

He doesn't want it, because he's... the man.

[Daniel Jackson]

True, he doesn't want it, but sometimes we do thinks we don't want to do, because there's more at stake than our personal likes and dislikes. As for changing leaders every year... I see your point. The transition from Weir to Carter worked. Weir was captured by the Asurans and eventually presumed dead. In her absense, Carter was brought in to take charge. The transition from Carter to Woolsey... didn't work for me. She's removed from command without explanation. Woolsey takes over despite nearly destroying the city in "The Seer." O...k... I expected Woolsey's command to be a disaster, but it's actually been quite good. The transition was stupid, but once he was in command... things smoothed over. Now there's Sheppard... Wouldn't it be a smooth transition for Sheppard to be promoted with Woolsey handing over command? I guess it works to have Woolsey as civilian leader while Sheppard is the military leader. Co-leadership? Perhaps Carter was only removed from command because the IOA wanted to return to civilian leadership?

I just want to see big changes in the movie, things that we could not see in the show, because they would break the status quo. That's one thing I like about the Star Trek movies. They made gutsy moves like blowing up the Enterprise, killing off pivital characters, giving Data emotions, and so forth.

[Jumper_One]

I just want to see big changes in the movie, things that we could not see in the show, because they would break the status quo. That's one thing I like about the Star Trek movies. They made gutsy moves like blowing up the Enterprise, killing off pivital characters, giving Data emotions, and so forth.

true but how are they supposed to replace Atlantis? also Kirk was killed in ST VII which was his last appearance, I don't expect TPTB to kill off Shep or Rodney. as for Data's emotion ship, remember he could always turn it off and it's never been a problem

[jelgate]

true but how are they supposed to replace Atlantis? also Kirk was killed in ST VII which was his last appearance, I don't expect TPTB to kill off Shep or Rodney. as for Data's emotion ship, remember he could always turn it off and it's never been a problem

:eek:When did Data get a ship run by emotions?:P

[Daniel Jackson]

You are taking my post way too literally. I did not say they should do that with Atlantis movies. I simply presented examples of things that were done in the movies that couldn't have been done in the TV series.

Obviously, I don't expect them to drop Atlantis, but they could have something big happen to Daedalus. I don't want to see it destroyed since Earth's fleet is small, but... how about a crashlanding?

As for killing off major characters, that's something they've already done many times. It wouldn't be new and shocking as the deaths of Kirk and Spock in the Star Trek movies were. They've already killed off Beckett, turned Weir into an Asuran, and have Carter reassigned. The only death that would be movie material, to me at least, would be Ronan. Not this first TV movie, but perhaps in the second or third, provided we get a series of movies and not just one.

Data's emotion chip was fused into his android brain in the first movie. So, he was stuck with emotions. It was a major change for the character, because he'd only had brief emotional encounters in the past. It was a permamnent change. In the second movie, he discovered an on/off feature. Fair enough. Should his emotions get the best of him in a crisis, he can simply hit the off switch. That's not quite being Human, but it could save lives. The last two movies severely annoyed me, because it was revealed that he could remove the chip. The writers of those two films wanted to retread TNG's glory days instead of embracing change

What would you like to see in the movie, something that wouldn't happen in the series due to shaking up status quo?

[pwells]

Four years as Lieutenant Colonel is not that long (Major Davis for 10+ years IS too long). Also, I don't think Sheppard was asked to be the commander of Atlantis in season four. He was on the short list, and he (and Carter) just basically said that he wouldn't want the job.

Anyway, if he became commander, he would (or should) be grounded on Atlantis, and it's better if he stayed out in the field.

[Mac Jackson]

I, personally, would hate to see him in charge. I don't think he could do it let alone,as pointed out, he wouldn't want to. Granted Jack would rather go off world with SG-1 than be in charge of HWS and does it because he has to and he knows he can/must do it. You can't do the "I do it because it's bigger than my own desires" again. It's tragic to not have Jack :jack: where he wants to be but at least he does both jobs excellently. It would be unrealistic and no fun to see Sheppard :sheppard: in charge. I like to see him have the option to argue with the higher ups like Woolsey who is a great antaganist.
Thanks,

[Daniel Jackson]

Sheppard running Atlantis isn't comparable to Jack running Homeworld Security. However, I do think it would be comparable to Jack spending a year as leader of Stargate Command. Where as the SGC is hidden under a mountain on Earth, Atlantis is alone in the Pegasus Galaxy and open to attack. I think Sheppard running the city could be quite interesting, and he could still go off world when he sees fit. Where as the SGC leader almost never goes off world, Weir and Carter left the city on several occasions. I wonder if we'll see Woolsey go off world before the show ends?

[Jumper_One]

:eek:When did Data get a ship run by emotions?:P

LOL :P


You are taking my post way too literally. I did not say they should do that with Atlantis movies. I simply presented examples of things that were done in the movies that couldn't have been done in the TV series.

why couldn't they have done these things in the tv shows? destroying the ship would've been a great season or series finale. as for Data's emotion chip, could've been found during an away mission


Obviously, I don't expect them to drop Atlantis, but they could have something big happen to Daedalus. I don't want to see it destroyed since Earth's fleet is small, but... how about a crashlanding?

that would be pretty cool


As for killing off major characters, that's something they've already done many times. It wouldn't be new and shocking as the deaths of Kirk and Spock in the Star Trek movies were. They've already killed off Beckett, turned Weir into an Asuran, and have Carter reassigned. The only death that would be movie material, to me at least, would be Ronan. Not this first TV movie, but perhaps in the second or third, provided we get a series of movies and not just one.

you're right I forgot about Spock but Kirk doesn't count since it was his last appearance in the ST franchise. personally I wouldn't want any member of the team to die


Data's emotion chip was fused into his android brain in the first movie. So, he was stuck with emotions. It was a major change for the character, because he'd only had brief emotional encounters in the past. It was a permamnent change. In the second movie, he discovered an on/off feature. Fair enough. Should his emotions get the best of him in a crisis, he can simply hit the off switch. That's not quite being Human, but it could save lives. The last two movies severely annoyed me, because it was revealed that he could remove the chip. The writers of those two films wanted to retread TNG's glory days instead of embracing change

the discovery of the on/off switch and the fact that Data could remove it in Insurrection and Nemesis didn't bother me. however you're right he was only allowed to explore his emotions in Generations and to a lesser extent in First Contact


What would you like to see in the movie, something that wouldn't happen in the series due to shaking up status quo?

tbh I hadn't really thought about it. I want to see the rest of s5 before making any assumptions or suggestions. I'm glad that TBTB won't get rid of the Wraith but they might kill off Todd or Michael imo. probably not in the first movie, maybe the second or third and then focus on the new enemy


Sheppard running Atlantis isn't comparable to Jack running Homeworld Security. However, I do think it would be comparable to Jack spending a year as leader of Stargate Command. Where as the SGC is hidden under a mountain on Earth, Atlantis is alone in the Pegasus Galaxy and open to attack. I think Sheppard running the city could be quite interesting, and he could still go off world when he sees fit. Where as the SGC leader almost never goes off world, Weir and Carter left the city on several occasions. I wonder if we'll see Woolsey go off world before the show ends?

Sam only went off-world in Reunion, Trio, (TLM,) and S&R. Woolsey will visit another planet in 512 Inquisition

[Khentkawes]

You do realize that there is an almost identical thread in the Atlantis folder, right? And it was started... oh, a whole two days ago.

John Sheppard Command Atlantis??? (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=59191)

I realize you are talking in terms of the movie here, not the series, but still. What's with the push for Sheppard to be in command?

[Mac Jackson]

Sheppard running Atlantis isn't comparable to Jack running Homeworld Security. However, I do think it would be comparable to Jack spending a year as leader of Stargate Command. Where as the SGC is hidden under a mountain on Earth, Atlantis is alone in the Pegasus Galaxy and open to attack. I think Sheppard running the city could be quite interesting, and he could still go off world when he sees fit. Where as the SGC leader almost never goes off world, Weir and Carter left the city on several occasions. I wonder if we'll see Woolsey go off world before the show ends?

Actually, no matter how you look at it my point works. Being SGC leader and HWS still take Jack away from where he wants to be. He could have gone off world also(and did a few times so far) but also had to run the SGC so couldn't as much as he wanted to. Weir and Carter left the city a few times too but didn't always...because they had to run things back on Atlantis. Shepard couldn't go on all the missions like now if he did run Atlantis just like Jack couldn't go off world everyday. That's my point.

[Lianne]

Not really.....if I consider how the rest of the people ended up when they grasped the command of Atlantis....

[Ikaros]

Nooo,he is the action hero. What on earth can he do from an office? No no no, he needs to be out there, kicking a** and Kirking.....;)

[Jaffa-master]

No, he shouldnt get atlantis command. But to be colonel. And the IOA would not have a military leader thats why carter leaved as commmaner

[Anon]

we will have sam's new postion, wolsey is getting one, and many more. no. any way the movie is about the stargate being revealed to the public as JM said, i think

[cflat]

Sheppard's been a Lieutennant Colonel for four years now. For the movie, would it be unreasonable to promote him to full Colonel and give him command of Atlantis? Woolsey could still have a large role in the movie since it would just be one story. He could, perhaps, be observing Sheppard's leadership? If the show had not been cancelled, then I'd be fine with Sheppard remaining chief military officer while someone else runs the city, but... being a movie and all... time for change?

Sheppard being promoted would be nice. But I don't want to see him as the commander of the Expedition. Mostly because that would mean (as someone else pointed out) Sheppard wouldn't be able to explore the Pegasus Galaxy.

Also, if Sheppard were to be promoted to full bird, that doesn't mean he'd automatically get command of the Expedition. Remember, Sumner was a full bird colonel and Weir was still technically his boss.

[Merlin1701]

Sheppard being promoted would be nice. But I don't want to see him as the commander of the Expedition. Mostly because that would mean (as someone else pointed out) Sheppard wouldn't be able to explore the Pegasus Galaxy.

Also, if Sheppard were to be promoted to full bird, that doesn't mean he'd automatically get command of the Expedition. Remember, Sumner was a full bird colonel and Weir was still technically his boss.


The IOA want to be in charge now, hence its new commander, they have the power and they won't give it up! i would like to see shep promoted, but how fast has he risen through the ranks already?


we will have sam's new postion, wolsey is getting one, and many more. no. any way the movie is about the stargate being revealed to the public as JM said, i think

if the spoiler above is true...I really think it would be a visual treat to see each IOA leader in front of the white house, revealing the stargate program as a united front. Followed by a flyby of the deadalus and a wing of 302s!!!!!! A real we're not alone speech!

[Hetshepsu]

Sheppard should be promoted but no way should he be in command. He's the guy who goes out and explores/saves people etc.. and he's bloody good at it, he will be wasted in a desk job. Look what happened to Jack and Sam's characters when they got command, they just were not as good anymore.

[Jumper_One]

we will have sam's new postion, wolsey is getting one, and many more. no. any way the movie is about the stargate being revealed to the public as JM said, i think

err no Joe didn't say anything about the SG being revealed to the public
anyway...

Knightie writes: “Any hope of a promotion for Sheppard in the movie ?”

Answer: No plans to promote Sheppard anytime soon.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/october-30-2008-author-john-twelve-hawks-answers-your-questions/

[rockerlad]

Simple answer - NO

[prion]

Heck, no. If he's in command, how can he go out into the field and get into trouble?! ;)

[jelgate]

He couldn't prion:P

[stargater1990]

no, he needs to stay free to go offworld kicking wraith A**. afterall, the last thing we need is for him to do the same thing oniell did.

[Crazedwraith]

But then he'd be the man. Who would he rage against?

Sheppard really doesn't want to be the one in charge, and lets face it, he'd wouldn't do well at it. He's too reckless. He can barely run his team without going on a suicide mission every other week,

[Flyboy]

Hell No.

Sheppard can't even manage to be the military IC of the base properly, he'd be an awful base commander.

[Anon]

In the beginning of S4. Sam said that he wasn't on the short list, and he said good. He doesn't wanna do it really he doesn't

[Showfan]

In the beginning of S4. Sam said that he wasn't on the short list, and he said good. He doesn't wanna do it really he doesn't

Actually Sam said his name was on the short list...


CARTER: To be honest, it’s a little overwhelming.

SHEPPARD: Coming from somebody with your record, that says somethin’.

CARTER: You know, John, your name was on the shortlist.

SHEPPARD: Yeah, I know. I saw what they did to Elizabeth -- the politics and the red tape. I didn’t envy her. I don’t envy you.