Power Conduits and Sub-Space Micro-Coupling

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It would have been nice if the damaged power conduits alluded to in "Adrift" and "LifeLine" were shown.

We get a glimpse of what the housings look like from the ancient defense satellite in "The Siege".

I'm thinking that inside we would see long transparent crystals, end to end. Either rectangular or possibly like thin flourescent tubes depending on whether primary or secondary, or what kind of system.

While a good crystal would be, well, crystal clear, a damaged crystal would display an internal milky or ominous dark mottling.

Because we are dealing with an advanced form of energy, there doesn't have to a direct physical connection as with electricity. Instead, they merely need to be in close proximity. The closer the better of course.

Energy transmitted through a conduit crystal is coupled to the next crystal through a pattern of tiny sub-space exotic matter manifolds that were configured inside each crystal matrix as it was grown.

This concept of imbedded 3D solid-state local control, regulation and transmissive operation would also explain why so many problems can be solved by reprogramming the crystals. It would also explain how Vala, in an SG-1 episode, was able to power a stargate with no DHD from the power source in a Gould Bomb. We notice that while she has some thin data cables clipped onto the bomb's control crystals, there are no big cables or obvious physical connection to the ring. The bomb is simply pushed up against the side of the gate. Considering close-range sub-space coupling between the gate's and bomb's energy crystals is at play, all Vala has to do is some tricky reprogramming of the bomb's lower-level energy charging crystal to reverse hyper-link to the energy transmissive ones inside the stargate. In this case, without alerting the "smarter" crystals in the bomb to cause it to explode, of course.

The damaged conduit crystals in "Adrift" and "Lifeline" would "leak" most of their lost energy into subspace but side effects would include some misdirected energy escaping into normal space to dissipate as heat, light and hard radiation. Too much and the crystal fails completely, the subspace link severs abruptly causing the energy in transit to have nowhere to go but into the crystal body, which would, basically, cause it to overload and explode.

[Andru10]

Ok... but why are Goa'uld crystals multi-colored and the crystals in the 304s transparent ?

[thekillman]

they are tubes filled with blue jellow

[supersoldier34]

Ok... but why are Goa'uld crystals multi-colored and the crystals in the 304s transparent ?

The Goa'uld crystals have always been multicolored, for what reason in know not. The 304s are transparent because several of the systems are of Asgard design/ influence.

[EternalAlteran]

The goa'uld colored them to seperate different functions. It might just be some sort of paint on the outside.

[Mister Oragahn]

It would have been nice if the damaged power conduits alluded to in "Adrift" and "LifeLine" were shown.

We see one in Seed. I'd have expected them to look at bit more epic and high tech, but I suppose they do their job well as it is.

We get a glimpse of what the housings look like from the ancient defense satellite in "The Siege".

Yeah they have likely been standard ones, not the power conduits which were leaking in Atlantis and tied to ZPMs.

I'm thinking that inside we would see long transparent crystals, end to end. Either rectangular or possibly like thin flourescent tubes depending on whether primary or secondary, or what kind of system.

While a good crystal would be, well, crystal clear, a damaged crystal would display an internal milky or ominous dark mottling.

Because we are dealing with an advanced form of energy, there doesn't have to a direct physical connection as with electricity. Instead, they merely need to be in close proximity. The closer the better of course.

Energy transmitted through a conduit crystal is coupled to the next crystal through a pattern of tiny sub-space exotic matter manifolds that were configured inside each crystal matrix as it was grown.

This concept of imbedded 3D solid-state local control, regulation and transmissive operation would also explain why so many problems can be solved by reprogramming the crystals. It would also explain how Vala, in an SG-1 episode, was able to power a stargate with no DHD from the power source in a Gould Bomb. We notice that while she has some thin data cables clipped onto the bomb's control crystals, there are no big cables or obvious physical connection to the ring. The bomb is simply pushed up against the side of the gate. Considering close-range sub-space coupling between the gate's and bomb's energy crystals is at play, all Vala has to do is some tricky reprogramming of the bomb's lower-level energy charging crystal to reverse hyper-link to the energy transmissive ones inside the stargate. In this case, without alerting the "smarter" crystals in the bomb to cause it to explode, of course.

The damaged conduit crystals in "Adrift" and "Lifeline" would "leak" most of their lost energy into subspace but side effects would include some misdirected energy escaping into normal space to dissipate as heat, light and hard radiation. Too much and the crystal fails completely, the subspace link severs abruptly causing the energy in transit to have nowhere to go but into the crystal body, which would, basically, cause it to overload and explode.

For the standard power conduits, I think it's possible that they're using superconductors of some kind, possibly made of naqahdah.
For the main ones tied to ZPMs, they are much much likely subspace based, in that they somehow create a subspace tunnel all along the pipe.
That's the only way the massive leaks in such main conduits didn't simply vapourize the entire city as the ZPM was loosing much energy: energy was leaking into subspace.
You think they'd be crystal based, well, we don't really know. They can be anything there.

Besides, there's the problem that the Lanteans also knew how to build totally cable/pipe free power conduits systems, as "seen" by the invisible link between a DHD and a stargate, or how a stargate can scoop energy while placed around black holes, like if it extended a giant invisible net or something.

Oh, besides, this is not Trek, you won't get a cookie for using as many cheesy tech sounding words as possible.

[apostrophe]

Have to reserve some comments as I haven't seen Season 5 yet.

For the standard power conduits, I think it's possible that they're using superconductors of some kind, possibly made of naqahdah

Yeah, you may be right. I seem to recall McKay saying something about the corridors being lined with superconductors in "The Storm" and/or "The Eye"

Besides, there's the problem that the Lanteans also knew how to build totally cable/pipe free power conduits systems, as "seen" by the invisible link between a DHD and a stargate, or how a stargate can scoop energy while placed around black holes, like if it extended a giant invisible net or something

Might be thought of as working on the same priciple as a hyperdrive only the windows would be microscopic, multitudinous (do you like that one? <g>), and established over very small distances (compared to regular "macro"-hyperspace windows, and perhaps pulsed at various high frequencies or not depending on the type of energy source detected by the sensors/computer processors inside the gate. Maybe considering the power of a black hole, they get "stuck" open.

Oh, besides, this is not Trek, you won't get a cookie for using as many cheesy tech sounding words as possible.

Cheesy?........ CHEESY???!

Maybe it's because my background is in a tech field, but I always liked the effort made for technical and scientific consistancy (within the established framework of the SG cosmos), it's one of the main things that drew me to the show. Now that Carter is in abeyance and the writers have adopted this sort of "shorthand" for McKay/Zelenka interaction (because, according to Martin Gero, "writing tech is hard" ), I'm feeling short-changed. The writers are turning into a bunch of lazy fops if you ask me.

Hey, buddy. Your "cheese", is my bread and butter.

Which is allusion to a friend's plumbing service whose slogan was: "Your sh*t is my bread and butter." <g>

Oh well.

[thekillman]

Sub-Space Micro-Coupling

what the hell does that mean?

[wkw427]

Think of them a plumbing. They are big, unattractive, and break down alot.

[thekillman]

still no clue

[apostrophe]

Sub-Space Micro-Coupling

what the hell does that mean?

still no clue

Sub- means "below", so sub-space means below normal space.

Normal space is all we know but there are theories that there may be other layers of space. It would be like we're in a boat on the surface of water but there is another layer underneath, like a water layer where a submarine can travel from a mile away, pass under us, and then keep going a mile away from us, but sitting on the surface layer as we are, we would not normally see or be aware of it.

Coupling means "hooked together" or, two or more things connected to each other so they work together in some way.

If you want to water your lawn you need to attach the hose screw-on coupling to the water spigot and then couple the hose to the sprinkler. The hose would be the conduit you use to confine the water from spilling and to conduct and direct it to the desired location, the sprinkler head.

Some of the wiring in your house or building is probably inside pipes made for electrical use called conduits in the electrical trade, which are, basically, pipes to confine and protect the wires and the electric power they carry from coming into contact with things they shouldn't (like sharp edges or people) and keep them out of mischief (like shorting out in a shower of sparks and fire) on the way to their intended destination (wall plug/toaster, etc.).

Factories need a lot more power so they use long rectangular boxes that are similar in shape to house gutters (a little larger and of course, square and closed up - except for heat vents ) usually mounted up high out of harm's way. These will contain long thick copper buss bars which are what actually conducts the power. They are installed in sections which are coupled together end-to-end to whatever length is required.

I don't know if you've ever played or seen someone play with magnets, but things don't necessarily have to touch to be coupled together. You can put a small steel screw or washer on top of a thin sheet of plastic or cardboard and then move it around from underneath using a magnet because the magnet will attract the steel and exhert a pull on it without actually touching it. The magnet and washer nevertheless move together because of the magnetic coupling you established between the two.

When you call somebody on another cell phone your phone gets coupled to the other phone via electromagnetic waves passing through the air between you so you can talk to each other.

"micro-" means very small, for example so small it could only be seen with a microscope. Micro- is also, in engineering used to mean one part in one million. So, a micro-inch would be one millionth of an inch. Very tiny.

In the context of our Sci-fi imaginings here, micro-coupling would be like a whole bunch teeny tiny cell phones, so small that they can be imbedded in the end of a crystal without seeing them, auto-dialing up some other bunch of teeny tiny cell phones in another crystal but instead of transmitting voice they would convey power.

But they would be more like the magnet in that the things would need to be close together for it to work properly. Cells phones can go great distances but the actual signal transmitted is very weak by the time it gets to the receiver. The magnet has a lot of oomph at very short distances (fraction of an inch) but stops working if the separation is increased too much. Unless it is a really strong magnet, like in a medical MRI Machine then it can work further. But for Sci-FI purposes here we're figuring a compromise here of a max distance of few feet or so for them to still be in cell range, so to speak.

Sorry this is getting long and probably too esoteric again but I feel like I'm "on a roll"

Subspace can be conceived to be "better" than regular space for some uses since it doesn't have to behave the same way as regular space for things like power and communication. Also it is like access to the layer of our universe, like an empty basement, that isn't all cluttered up with stars and planets to get in the way, like on the first floor. Plus, displacement along the scale dimension can be done so that 1 inch in subspace = 1 million inches here, depending on how deep in subspace you go. But, to go hyper deep you need a "hyper" amount of energy. Hence, the term hyper-space.

Scale is basically an extra dimension available in subspace. Unlike, say, distance in our space, where you go somewhere and stay there, to go deep enough where 1" there = 1000" here requires a constant application of force, for 1:10,000 a lot more "horsepower", otherwise you bounce back to 1:1 , worse if you come out at less than 1:1 everything is too far apart (e.g. your atoms) and you disintegrate into a cloud of vapor. Which is why hyperspace calculations are depicted as being so complex, tricky and especially risky if they contain errors. Subspace for power tranmission is a lot easier because the extra "scale" dimension isn't messed with.

Basically, hyperspace requires one window to be opened for the large massive object, like a spaceship to enter completely. Then the window is closed, then another window is opened to return to normal space.

With sub-space you can have two windows open in normal space focused near the same spot in subspace and then beam energy, radiation, laser beams, etc. into one window and have it come out the other (coupling). Because no energy is expended trying to push below the 1:1 depth it is pretty efficient. It does takes some extra power to displace the position of the window away from the same exact corresponding position in our space to line up with the other window, which is why one could figure such sub-space micro-coupling works better the closer the twin windows are to each other i.e. within a few feet. Normally the "smart" circuitry eslewhere in the crystal could be expected to shut the conduit down if it gets too inefficient (e.g. far away).

The twin window appraoch doesn't work very well for large masses of matter because the matter would be torn apart trying to be in not-quite-two places at once, or vaporized as per the previous description coming back. Energy and particle streams don't care since pure energy is infinitly flexible and particle streams are, well, already separate particles and thus pretty forgiving in regard to spatial distortion effects as well.

Suffice to say in our science fantasy thought experiment here, subspace coupleing is just the thing for linking power and energy conduits together while hyperspace operation is best reserved for moving matter.

Obviously Stargates work well for both matter and energy since they punch a hole directly through our own space beween two points without stopping anywhere else on the way.

[QuantumDragon]

bit long?

it would actualy make more sense if the crystals exibited fourth or fifth dimential properties. the crystals are in phisical contact with each-other but in a subspace dimention. power leakage would then be like seting a batery down on wet concrete the power bleeds to a subspace "ground"

this would also give a computer greatly increased abilities because most of the calculating power would be "elsewhere"

i know this sounds like BS or other wierdness but the theories are out there. look up "quantum computer"

back to my rant, extra-dimentionality also would solve the SOL lag if you put too much in a computer since the chips can be as large as you want and still sit inches apart. the only problem would be cooling unless you somehow got your cooling system to work in the extra dimentions

[apostrophe]

bit long?

Should have seen it before I cut it down

it would actualy make more sense if the crystals exibited fourth or fifth dimential properties. the crystals are in phisical contact with each-other but in a subspace dimention.

Keeping in mind that we are doing thought experiments here in a Sci-Fi context...

Well, if the whole crystal had the properties that would imply that the whole thing would already be in subspace. Then it would have no way of interacting with normal space while in that state. Otherwise you would have a boundary plane at the point at which some aspect of the crystal's normal-space physicality crossed over into the subspace dimension.

I'm thinking that the crytal would crack apart at the ensuing boundary layer if it stayed there half-way more than a femto-second (whatever the minimum period would be for a quantum foam fluctuation) due to spatial distortion, unless it has a way of generating a powerful structural integrety energy field, like a spaceship, to hold it self together during the transition.

power leakage would then be like seting a batery down on wet concrete the power bleeds to a subspace "ground"

Is that really true? I've heard that for years but wondered if that was some kind of urban myth. Why would it discharge since the plastic case insulates it.

By strange coincidence I just set a car battery down on the basement floor a few days ago because I didn't have time to find a better place for it. I ususlly try to find a wooden board when I've done something like that in the past because, out of habit memory somehow it would supposedly discharge faster directly on the concrete. But never gave too much thought beyond that till now. I think that I am going to try an experiment this winter to prove or disprove it.

this would also give a computer greatly increased abilities because most of the calculating power would be "elsewhere"

i know this sounds like BS or other wierdness but the theories are out there. look up "quantum computer"

The one I saw proposed that supposedly would try to give you the answer you were expecting using Heisenburg principle. That seemed kind of weird.

The elsewhere one you describe would be the cool kind of qc, imo.

back to my rant, extra-dimentionality also would solve the SOL lag if you put too much in a computer since the chips can be as large as you want and still sit inches apart. the only problem would be cooling unless you somehow got your cooling system to work in the extra dimentions

I should probably know this but "SOL"? can't recall....

[QuantumDragon]

Speed of Light

[QuantumDragon]

another possibility might be induction