Destroying replicator homeworld

[Andru10]

Why didn't the SGA team blow up the sun that Asuras was orbiting using Carter's idea (gate dialed to a black hole thrown into the star) ?
I know that means we wouldn't have seen the cool space battle but still...

Sorry if this question has already been asked or a simillar thread already exists (I couldn't find one).

[thekillman]

well it would be boring. as people would be screaming SGA becomes too much SG1

[Melak]

Yeah, basically been there, done that in SG-1

[stargater1990]

Why didn't the SGA team blow up the sun that Asuras was orbiting using Carter's idea (gate dialed to a black hole thrown into the star) ?
I know that means we wouldn't have seen the cool space battle but still...

Sorry if this question has already been asked or a simillar thread already exists (I couldn't find one).

well since they had about a dozen or so zpms, they could have just moved the replicators into the areas protected by shielding like atlantis and powered the shields for defense. after all, the goaulds shields are like childs toys compared to having multiple zpms powering a shield. but since the blast will most likely destroy the planet, then they could have moved all of their zpms into atlantis and taken off with most of the replicators and that core storing copies to make more and went on their merry way.

[lord groovy]

well since they had about a dozen or so zpms, they could have just moved the replicators into the areas protected by shielding like atlantis and powered the shields for defense. after all, the goaulds shields are like childs toys compared to having multiple zpms powering a shield. but since the blast will most likely destroy the planet, then they could have moved all of their zpms into atlantis and taken off with most of the replicators and that core storing copies to make more and went on their merry way.

In that case, wouldn't FRAN being more effective by having ALL the replicators in one place?
With the huge blobzilla, the atlantis ship will be neutralized long enough for the sun to burn it to crisp.

[Mister Oragahn]

Why didn't the SGA team blow up the sun that Asuras was orbiting using Carter's idea (gate dialed to a black hole thrown into the star) ?
I know that means we wouldn't have seen the cool space battle but still...

Sorry if this question has already been asked or a simillar thread already exists (I couldn't find one).

They would have failed to destroy the Replicators.

Let's remember that 12 ZPMs were planned to overload and explode simultaneously, in order to destroy all of them and be sure that the destruction of a ZPM wouldn't propel surviving replicators into deep space.

The plan was to gather all nanites, bring them close to the planet's core and blow the 12 ZPMs all at once. That is, enough to make even a Death Star on steroids go blush.

Anything else would have failed. Realize that this damn super dense blob of nanites still was powerful enough to survive the huge pressure when getting close to the core for quite some time.

The blob was generating enormous amounts of energy to strenghten the bonds, but it was progressively loosing cohesion, and each loss was illustrated as a massive explosion which shaked the surface, until the whole blob, reaching a pressure it couldn't cope with, blew up at once and vapourized Asuras.

Even if a supernova would have been impressive, it would have likely utterly failed to destroy the whole of them. A few survivors would have made the plan useless.

[lord groovy]

They would have failed to destroy the Replicators.

Let's remember that 12 ZPMs were planned to overload and explode simultaneously, in order to destroy all of them and be sure that the destruction of a ZPM wouldn't propel surviving replicators into deep space.

The plan was to gather all nanites, bring them close to the planet's core and blow the 12 ZPMs all at once. That is, enough to make even a Death Star on steroids go blush.

Anything else would have failed. Realize that this damn super dense blob of nanites still was powerful enough to survive the huge pressure when getting close to the core for quite some time.

The blob was generating enormous amounts of energy to strenghten the bonds, but it was progressively loosing cohesion, and each loss was illustrated as a massive explosion which shaked the surface, until the whole blob, reaching a pressure it couldn't cope with, blew up at once and vapourized Asuras.

Even if a supernova would have been impressive, it would have likely utterly failed to destroy the whole of them. A few survivors would have made the plan useless.

May you explain why a supernova able to take out a whole star system and do this :

In either case, the resulting supernova explosion expels much or all of the stellar material with velocities as much as 1% the speed of light, some 3,000 km s-1. When this material collides with the surrounding circumstellar or interstellar gas, it forms a shock wave that can heat the gas up to temperatures as high as 10 million K, forming a plasma.

can't be at least as destructive as the implosion of a planet?

[Character]

Aside from the curiosity that a gate can survive a stream of hot plasma from a sun, the asurans would probably detect the decreasing mass of the sun and escape.

[lord groovy]

Aside from the curiosity that a gate can survive a stream of hot plasma from a sun, the asurans would probably detect the decreasing mass of the sun and escape.

For that we'd have to know first how much time it would take to detect the fluctuation and plan the escape and compare it to the speed of destruction of the supernova.

What I'm arguing about is that using the sun of Asuras would have been a perfect back up plan, at least if the Replicator blobzilla was able to overcome McKay programming fast enough. Because even worst case scenario, the 12 zpms that needed McKay may have been installed on some of the Auroras orbiting the planet. And that would have been a problem...

which make me think : how come the Asuran are not able to detect beaming transporter signal, like the MW bugs? Didn't they learn of their existence when probing the team mind? they could at least put some shield to prevent SG teams to achieve so easily infiltration in their central rooms.

Note : it pisses me off that alien species (Goa'uld, Tollan, Wraith, Asuran, etc) in SG that are supposed to be good at exterminating other species never thought of protecting better their critical assets (main weapon, central computer core and so on).
Is the limit between superiority and stupidity so thin...?

[Infinatus]

Aside from the curiosity that a gate can survive a stream of hot plasma from a sun, the asurans would probably detect the decreasing mass of the sun and escape.

Indeed. To prevent the escape there would have to be a space battle anyway, so either an old plot is rehashed or we go the new route and implode the planet.

[2ndgenerationalteran]

simply it would have been boring, but the asurans would have detected the sun expanding and left, they were arrogant not stupid, which can also explain why they had no shield for preventing asgard beams, no one is foolish enough to attack their massively fortified home world, they also could have used their own form of beaming technology for transportation withing the city, it would fit in with their efficiency as machines.

Plus theres no pegasus black hole with a gate next to it that we could use. we pretty much moved all the gates that were non important for the intergalactic gate bridge.

[Andru10]

Indeed. To prevent the escape there would have to be a space battle anyway, so either an old plot is rehashed or we go the new route and implode the planet.

But isn't the new route more complicated ? I mean instead of going to all the trouble of building Fran, programing her to atract all the Replicators in a super dense blob, setting all the ZPMs to explode... isn't it easier to blow up the star (the fleet distracts the replicators and makes sure they don't escape until the star is about to go nova) ? I just don't understand why they didn't think of this especially since Carter was with them the whole time.

[Character]

Because no space battle would stop them from escaping if they feel a real threat like, say, a supernova. Besides, i wouldnt want to be on the ship thats fighting reps when the sun is going to explode any minute.

[thekillman]

look this was the best way. the replicators only need 1 to escape, hell 10 nanites on annother planet would be enough

[lord groovy]

look this was the best way. the replicators only need 1 to escape, hell 10 nanites on annother planet would be enough

why didn't they escape through the stargate?