Things You would Change in Continuum

[AscendedThor]

Personally I thought the film needed more O'Niell.

I would rather see O'Niell coming to see SG1 instead of Landry. it would make more sense for him to be angry about their intention to change back the timeline, because if they did that would mean that his son would be dead again.
his son was alive in this timeline so he would want to keep this timeline at all cost.

I would also rather see Kinsey as the President. it would make more sense story-wise for him to be the president and wanting to keep SG1 away from the stargate so that they can't change back the time line (in which he's not president but instead possessed by a Goauld and presumed dead).

later after the "one year later" thing we'll see that the President was forced to resign because of corruption or something, and that the new president is Hayes or even Landry. and he would be the one to start the stargate program and apologize to SG1 for the former-president's decision to keep them away and not start the stargate program.

Also when SG1 flew over to Antarctica they said "we'll need someone with the gene to power the chair" - that would have to be O'Niell. he'd also pilot a plane and as he watches Earth bombarded from space and his family dead, he would say to SG1 they were right and he was selfish and unable to see the big picture of saving earth instead of just his son.

He would then be with them for the rest of the film. I also think he should be the one to jump through the gate in the end and arrive in the past (or maybe go together with Cam).
Imagine Baal's surprise when O'Niell shoots him in the head.
it would also be poetic justice for O'Niell to get revenge against Baal for torturing him (even though its not the same O'Niell).

overall I think it would have been much better. What do you think?

[silly sally]

1.CAm would have disappeared first (his granpa was first to die)
2. Jack wouldn't have died and would have gone to the AT.
3. Sam, Jack, Daniel would have escaped the AT, found the PuddleJumper and used it to restore the timeline...

[AscendedThor]

1.CAm would have disappeared first (his granpa was first to die)
2. Jack wouldn't have died and would have gone to the AT.
3. Sam, Jack, Daniel would have escaped the AT, found the PuddleJumper and used it to restore the timeline...

if it went down like that it would have been too much like Moebius...

as for Cam disappearing it was a plothole but a necessary one in order to keep him in the movie.
to correct the plothole they should have done it like this:
Cam, Carter and Daniel would have went to the tokra planet while the ceremony was already taking place (with O'Niel Teal'c and Vala there. there would be the same scene up till the point Baal says there's a secret plan and everything starts disappearing) just at that moment Cam, Carter and Daniel would be passing through the gate and would arrive to see a barren planet.

then we cut to 1939 to see Baal taking over the ship. then back to SG1 on the Tokra planet not realizing what happened, then they dial back to Earth and end up in the frozen ship.
would have made much more sense.

[redrama9]

Ba'al being protected by a Goa'uld personal shield when cam tried to shoot him in the head.

[Skydiver]

i would have simply had jack be one of the marines(or with them) to protect them, and had jack be the one to go back in time and save the day

that would have been nice symmetry, jack meeting cam's granddad, and a nice tossback to the teasing in 200

[SG-X]

Definitely, more Jack. I miss the banter between him and Daniel.

I was hoping that more things would be changed when they fixed the timelime. Like, the Goa'uld back to being a major threat(best bad guys ever, IMO), Teal'c getting rid of his grey AND Jack back to being in charge of the SGC!

[Col. Tomorian]

I would re-edit the F-16 fighter scenes, so people won't get lost in the mess. Everything else seems to be okay. Jack's part in the movie was short and sweet. I wouldn't change too much of anything else.

[mylestaylor]

Ba'al being protected by a Goa'uld personal shield when cam tried to shoot him in the head.

In all the times when they have the shield, they turn it on when they are threatened, usually using a button on their wrist. It doesn't make sense (and is probably impractical) for them to leave it on all the time, so for Baal to have it on when he wasn't expecting any kind of threat wouldn't have made any sense.

For those who wanted to see more of Jack, well you have to remember that RDA did not Star in the movie. I believe that was his choice and they probably would have used him more if they could have.

AscendedThor, a lot of your points would have made for a good story as well, but I don't think it would have made the story necessarily better in any way, just different. I don't think those are things that should have been changed.

[ShardsofGlass]

i would have simply had jack be one of the marines(or with them) to protect them, and had jack be the one to go back in time and save the day

that would have been nice symmetry, jack meeting cam's granddad, and a nice tossback to the teasing in 200

How does Jack meeting Cam's grandfather make any sense? For symmetry, it has to be Cam. Otherwise, they'd have to set it up for it to be Jack's grandfather or something. If Jack had met Cam's mother, it would be a nice reference to 200, but his grandfather? No, it has to be Cam.

[ShardsofGlass]

I would have Sam, Daniel, and Cam trying to contact each other during their year apart and/or trying to figure out a way to stop Baal or get to a SG. I can't believe they never did anything in that whole year.

Also, for whoever said they should've asked for Jack, that doesn't make sense. Jack hasn't been involved in teh Stargate program for over 2 or 3 years. Landry's their commanding officer, so he's the only one they'd think of asking for.

[Skydiver]

yeah, jack washed his hands of htem as soon as he got them off that sub. He completed his mission - picking up the people - and he was done.

they ticked him off with the 'your son was shot' comment and he turned his back on them. I recall a line to that effect, that he wants nothing to do with them

That's why it would have been kinda symmetrical for him to have been involved in the final mission. 'ok, i believe you now, so how do i help you help save my planet'

[ShardsofGlass]

yeah, jack washed his hands of htem as soon as he got them off that sub. He completed his mission - picking up the people - and he was done.

they ticked him off with the 'your son was shot' comment and he turned his back on them. I recall a line to that effect, that he wants nothing to do with them

That's why it would have been kinda symmetrical for him to have been involved in the final mission. 'ok, i believe you now, so how do i help you help save my planet'

Yeah, I was kind of expecting Jack to show up in the end to help them out, even though I'd been spoiled that he didn't do that. It would've had the kind of symmetry that Mitchell had going back in time to help his grandfather.

[VSS]

I liked it that AT Jack didn't help out in the end. I think it underscores the huge difference having the Stargate around in the original timeline made to him.
In the original timeline the involvement in the Stargate program made him into a hero after his personal life was wrecked.

In the AT he still had his kid and was content being a colonel- surely he could have retired if he hadn't been. Saving the world is not something he's used to, or might even be inclined to do.

As they say, no pain, no gain.

[flynn1959]

I would cut some of the scenes that I felt dragged. The C/S walk and talk on the ice went on far too long and the Carter shopping scene served no purpose at all, neither did Mitchell visiting the farm, or being chatted up by the woman next door.

The artic sub scene looked like bad CGI - even though I know it was a real sub, so maybe I would see if there was any way to shot that a little better. And when Daniel was sitting on the ice with the ship sinking behind him- that was the worst CGI I have ever seen on Stargate and that includes the chicken-dragon.

I would change a lot of Jack's dialogue from the opening scenes, he was a complete jerk imo and I much prefered the AT Jack as he was more like the old Jack I loved from the early seasons.

I would show a little more of Daniel coming to terms with his loss, it was far too rushed for such an important thing.

It would be nice too if the whole thing had been something other than a huge waste of time. That re-set button is a nightmare device imo.

[antigravity]

I would have Sam, Daniel, and Cam trying to contact each other during their year apart and/or trying to figure out a way to stop Baal or get to a SG. I can't believe they never did anything in that whole year.

yes! i think this is the single most frustrating thing of the film for me. i can't believe it either. for one i think it was just too cruel for the gov't to do that, separate them like terrorists. and secondly, they wouldn't accept it and go on with their lives! and what they did do...


and the Carter shopping scene served no purpose at all, neither did Mitchell visiting the farm, or being chatted up by the woman next door.

I would show a little more of Daniel coming to terms with his loss, it was far too rushed for such an important thing.

i agree they were lame filler scenes. Daniel's situation was potentially very interesting, coping with the loss of leg and also trying to contact himself.

these guys knew a threat was imminent...after all these years of fighting (even when they're ordered not to), they just go shopping?

[VSS]

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i agree they were lame filler scenes. Daniel's situation was potentially very interesting, coping with the loss of leg and also trying to contact himself.

these guys knew a threat was imminent...after all these years of fighting (even when they're ordered not to), they just go shopping?

Think fruitloops. When have you seen those before??? If you look at the box, you'll see that the props people deliberately covered up another brand of cereal with a fake fruitloops design.

[antigravity]

Think fruitloops. When have you seen those before??? If you look at the box, you'll see that the props people deliberately covered up another brand of cereal with a fake fruitloops design.

haha nice. went back and watched it. Rice Krispies never looked so appealing!

[the fifth man]

I enjoyed this film pretty much as is. I wouldn't mess with it.

[majorsal]

one thing: make it longer. :)

[KindlyKeller]

one thing: make it longer. :)

That's pretty much my thought to. On my two subsequent viewings, knowing what was coming, the film didn't feel incomplete, but my first time through, I thought: what?? That's it? It seemed like first 3/4 of a great movie.

[BigPharaoh]

I would have shortened the scenes between the part where the timeline was altered and carter, jackson, and mitchell returned to earth and the part where baal attacks earth, and lengthened the parts after that(for more action). It would have been cool to see the system lords somehow get wind of ba'als murder, and then turn on earth other, each taking a piece of his huge fleet. then SG1 takes advantage of the in-fighting. More jack, and more baal/qatesh too. besides that, a few slash undertones would be nice.

[Skydiver]

these guys knew a threat was imminent...after all these years of fighting (even when they're ordered not to), they just go shopping?

what else are they supposed to do? their mail, e-mail, phones etc were likely being monitored, they were being watched and kept tabs on, they either played along or got tossed into a jail cell. Because that's pretty much what landry promised. behave and you can live 'normally', misbehave and you're locked up.

[flynn1959]

Think fruitloops. When have you seen those before??? If you look at the box, you'll see that the props people deliberately covered up another brand of cereal with a fake fruitloops design.

Um...no they didn't. The prop people covered up the packet with a lable that reads Frootees. They could have made one that said Fruitloops but they didn't.:)

[Hypochondriac]

I would have loved to see what baal's plan was. How he would talk and deal with earth. Do you think he was telling the truth about letting the jaffa free

[g8torgurl]

I think seeing more of what changed in this "new world"... and seeing the 3 (Carter, Daniel, Cam) struggle with it would have been interesting...
Some more time in Antarctica, maybe?

The plan of what Ba'al wanted to do...

More discussion from the others about what they thought of Sam, Cam, and Daniel...

[Skydiver]

they probably would have had to pay or get permission to use 'froot loops' since it's trademarked and copyrighted.

generics, on the other hand, are easier to use, or a mad up name

That's why homer drank Duff beer, the toon wasn't going to advertise - and pay to use - a real brand

[GateofDOOM]

I would've made it not a time travel story.



I guess I wanted a different movie altogether! Gadzooks!

:P

[Enzo Aquarius]

Um...no they didn't. The prop people covered up the packet with a lable that reads Frootees. They could have made one that said Fruitloops but they didn't.:)

They never did mention they were Fruit Loops in "Window of Opportunity", but it was implied. Having them as Frooties is good enough, and avoids the royalties to Kellogg...although the covering for the box was not done well. It's obvious it was a box of Rice Krispies...as it says it right on the side of the box. Bugs me everytime I see that scene. :P

Things I would change (Most of which are minor)-
- O'Neill's death - After all we've seen him gone through, he dies from a little needle? Should've had some object around which could've made it much more severe (different extraction device, multiple needles?)
- The box holding the Stargate - The back part of the box was open, yet the kawoosh doesn't touch it. Although this helps in various scenes to make it easier to see some of the actors, for continuity, I would've kept the back of the box intact.
- CGI for the Achilles in the Arctic - When I first saw this, I had no idea what I was looking at. I would've redone it.
- Sam or Cam expressing more concern over Daniel losing his leg on the Sub- Although the situation with alternate reality is important, Daniel has lost something of importance which should've been focused on for a minute or two. Talk about this and have O'Neill walk in.
- Light up the bookstore more - Kinda dark to be reading in, eh?
- Cover the WHOLE Rice Krispie box - As mentioned above
- Include a scene of Daniel receiving therapy (this could've replaced the scene of him calling his alternate self)
- Put Kinsey with Hayes and Hammond. For fun, make Kinsey a 'nicer' guy.
- If possible for RDA, have O'Neill join the contingent to Antarctica. What to do with him afterwards would be tricky. You could kill him again, but killing O'Neill twice in one movie may be a tad too much. Sending him back in time could work, it could allow him to kill Ba'al but ruins the reunion with Cam's grandfather (like a third wheel).
- Definitely fix the dialogue/music/sound effects issue during the fighter sequences.
- Replace Teal'c's Al'kesh with one of those Jaffa soldier transports. I can't see an Al'kesh holding off that much fire from a Ha'tak.
- Clarify what happens to the Russian soldier at the Stargate base in Russia. When Teal'c and his Jaffa contingent ring in, the soldier basically 'disappears'. Maybe have the team tell him to leave and show a quick scene of the truck leaving the compound? (It's still there when it's destroyed)
- Give Cam a different Russian weapon, like the AN-94. All Russian weapons aren't made of wood. :lol:
- As mentioned above, use a different extraction machine. I don't see how a needle extracts a symbiote. Sure, it covers the statements made in the series of the extraction being painful, but there has to be another way. :S

My two cents! :D

[Thunder God]

what would i CHANGE in Continuum..
well I missed Jack :) His jokes and his attitude to the whole situation :) It would be funny to see real Jack and Jack from alternate reality having a conversation about this whole thing. And it would have been great to see more Daniel and Jack chemistry.

[silly sally]

they probably would have had to pay or get permission to use 'froot loops' since it's trademarked and copyrighted.

generics, on the other hand, are easier to use, or a mad up name

That's why homer drank Duff beer, the toon wasn't going to advertise - and pay to use - a real brand

Or it could be the other way around - product placement is a big thing (maybe not with Sam's reaction to Frootloops :))

[flynn1959]

they probably would have had to pay or get permission to use 'froot loops' since it's trademarked and copyrighted.

generics, on the other hand, are easier to use, or a mad up name

That's why homer drank Duff beer, the toon wasn't going to advertise - and pay to use - a real brand

Isn't it the other way round? Companies pay huge amounts of money for product placements in tv shows and movies. I would have thought the Froot loops people would have been pleased to get some free advertising.

[flynn1959]

Or it could be the other way around - product placement is a big thing (maybe not with Sam's reaction to Frootloops :))

I really should read the whole thread before posting - you beat me to it!

[Skydiver]

not always. Sometimes the companies pay you - like the OTT Degree deodorant product placement...heck product deluge, in Eureka.

Other times, you pay them to use their product, and you run the risk of, in this case, Kelloggs contacting you and saying 'yeah, i don't like how you portrayed our product, so take it out or we'll sue'


that's why a lot of companies stick with made up names. no risk of that happening.

[ShardsofGlass]

not always. Sometimes the companies pay you - like the OTT Degree deodorant product placement...heck product deluge, in Eureka.

Other times, you pay them to use their product, and you run the risk of, in this case, Kelloggs contacting you and saying 'yeah, i don't like how you portrayed our product, so take it out or we'll sue'



Actually that would never happen because the SG PTB would never use a product without going through legal channels first. If Fruit Loops doens't want their product displayed on the show, then there's not much TPTB can do. Or maybe TPTB didn't want to bother with the time, money, and hassle of going through legal to get it cleared. It was just easier to use a made-up name and we all got the point anyway. So using the real product wasn't necessary.

[flynn1959]

Actually that would never happen because the SG PTB would never use a product without going through legal channels first. If Fruit Loops doens't want their product displayed on the show, then there's not much TPTB can do. Or maybe TPTB didn't want to bother with the time, money, and hassle of going through legal to get it cleared. It was just easier to use a made-up name and we all got the point anyway. So using the real product wasn't necessary.

It didn't seem to worry tptb when it came to showing Rice Krispies. Arn't they both made by the same company?

But I agree we all got the point - Carter buys cereal when she goes shopping, it was still a pointless scene imo. Just like Mitchell and the woman next door, it served no purpose, other than padding, and a good tight movie doesn't need that sort of thing. Very few viewers would even get the humour involved if she had bought Froot loops or porridge oats anyway. If they really wanted to include a funny scene I would have thought they could have come up with something a lot better than that! Maybe have Daniel making a funny face out of sauce on his plate in the hanger?

[silly sally]

Why didn't they show Sam tinkering on some bike instead of pointless shopping? :(

[flynn1959]

Why didn't they show Sam tinkering on some bike instead of pointless shopping? :(

Because that might have been interesting:(

[silly sally]

Because that might have been interesting:(

That would have been more in character afaic

[flynn1959]

That would have been more in character afaic


Just about anything would have been more interesting than shopping.

And I really don't think they would have let Sam just walk about like that, not with the face of a well known dead woman. Why didn't they at least insist that she dye her hair? To simply let any of them go seems a bit unrealistic if you ask me. Maybe if they had all been locked up in Area 51 and had to escape it would have been more interesting.

[Nikki]

Um...no they didn't. The prop people covered up the packet with a lable that reads Frootees. They could have made one that said Fruitloops but they didn't.:)


Or it could be the other way around - product placement is a big thing (maybe not with Sam's reaction to Frootloops :))


Actually that would never happen because the SG PTB would never use a product without going through legal channels first. If Fruit Loops doens't want their product displayed on the show, then there's not much TPTB can do. Or maybe TPTB didn't want to bother with the time, money, and hassle of going through legal to get it cleared. It was just easier to use a made-up name and we all got the point anyway. So using the real product wasn't necessary.

Exactly. Frootees - Fruitloops; same thing. We all (well most, it seems like) got the point...she was thinking of Jack. No one has this reaction to cereal.

http://www.polrobinson.com/Pics/Sam_sigh.jpg

and

http://www.polrobinson.com/Pics/Sam_sigh2.jpg


Also each member was shown re-connecting with significant parts of their former lives - Cam went back to the farm, Daniel bought his own book and called himself, while Sam thought of Jack. I thought it was very clever - conveyed a lot in a few short scenes. :)

[ShardsofGlass]

But I agree we all got the point - Carter buys cereal when she goes shopping, it was still a pointless scene imo. Just like Mitchell and the woman next door, it served no purpose, other than padding, and a good tight movie doesn't need that sort of thing. Very few viewers would even get the humour involved if she had bought Froot loops or porridge oats anyway. If they really wanted to include a funny scene I would have thought they could have come up with something a lot better than that! Maybe have Daniel making a funny face out of sauce on his plate in the hanger?

I actually couldn't disagree more. I loved Carter's scene. It showed the futility and hopelessness of their new lives. Showing her shopping and almost being recognized and the way she reacted to that was a great little moment of just how far she was from doing what she needed to be doing, how useless she felt.

Also, Mitchell's scene showed that even after a year he could barely remember to call his neighbor by her first name and he was clearly not letting himself have a relationship with her, despite the fact they were both attracted to each other. He was living in a limbo, biding his time, the same way Carter was.

[flynn1959]

Exactly. Frootees - Fruitloops; same thing. We all (well most, it seems like) got the point...she was thinking of Jack. No one has this reaction to cereal.
http://www.polrobinson.com/Pics/Sam_sigh.jpg

and

http://www.polrobinson.com/Pics/Sam_sigh2.jpg


Also each member was shown re-connecting with significant parts of their former lives - Cam went back to the farm, Daniel bought his own book and called himself, while Sam thought of Jack. I thought it was very clever - conveyed a lot in a few short scenes. :)

She was thinking of Jack when she looked at a box of cereal...no - doesn't matter if I write it down, it still doesn't make any sense. Why would a box of weird AT cereal make her think of O'Neill? Why would any item in her shopping trolley remind her of him?

As to the bolded part you obviously don't shop in ASDA!! I see that look on the faces of the other shoppers all the time. A mixture of exasperation and boredom.

[Enzo Aquarius]

Maybe it's because the front says Frootees and the side says Rice Krispies. :lol:

[EvenstarSRV]

She was thinking of Jack when she looked at a box of cereal...no - doesn't matter if I write it down, it still doesn't make any sense. Why would a box of weird AT cereal make her think of O'Neill? Why would any item in her shopping trolley remind her of him?

As far as I can recall, the only time Fruit Loops ever appeared in the series was in Window of Opportunity. And since the producers apparently made the AT cereal similar to Fruit Loops instead of some other cereal name, it seemed to me that the box of Frootees was a deliberate reference to WoO.

I think for some, the cereal reference to WoO is also a reference to Jack's feelings for Sam because of the time loop kiss in that episode. But I think shipper or not, because Jack is the only Stargate character associated with Fruit Loops, it made sense to me that the box of Frootees was a reference to Jack. :jack:

[flynn1959]

As far as I can recall, the only time Fruit Loops ever appeared in the series was in Window of Opportunity. And since the producers apparently made the AT cereal similar to Fruit Loops instead of some other cereal name, it seemed to me that the box of Frootees was a deliberate reference to WoO.

I think for some, the cereal reference to WoO is also a reference to Jack's feelings for Sam because of the time loop kiss in that episode. But I think shipper or not, because Jack is the only Stargate character associated with Fruit Loops, it made sense to me that the box of Frootees was a reference to Jack. :jack:

Wow...really? That is tenuous at best.:( I would have had her buying green jello, that is the food I associate with Jack - not cereal.:confused:

[Frostfox]

they probably would have had to pay or get permission to use 'froot loops' since it's trademarked and copyrighted.

generics, on the other hand, are easier to use, or a mad up name

That's why homer drank Duff beer, the toon wasn't going to advertise - and pay to use - a real brand

'Frootees' were the cereal in 'A Dog's Breakfast' with David Hewlett.

FF :nox:

[flynn1959]

'Frootees' were the cereal in 'A Dog's Breakfast' with David Hewlett.

FF :nox:

Thank you!! I knew it sounded familiar.:) I kept thinking it must have been a brand from my childhood or something.

So nothing at all to do with Jack or SG1 but a little reference to DH's movie. See I thought it was tenuous, even for these ptb. ADB is wonderful.:)

[Naonak]

I'd actually just add 5/10 minutes to the stuff in the middle with Cam, Daniel and Carter's "new lives". I think it would be more effective with just a few extra minutes of development, particularly Daniel's bitterness about his leg and not being allowed to fix the timeline, which kind of came out of nowhere in the scene with Hayes.

Other than that, I was very pleased with the film, and wouldn't really change anything.

[EvenstarSRV]

I agree that its a bit tenuous in that Jack is associated with Fruit Loops in only one episode, whereas, for example, Sam's association with blue Jello has been shown in several episodes. But, the Fruit Loops were referenced repeatedly in WoO, which made it stick in my mind.

I honestly can't remember Jack ever eating green jello, so I wouldn't see that as a reference to him rather than something that looks like Fruit loops.

Now all this food talk has gotten me hungry. :o

*wanders off in search of food*

[Frostfox]

I agree that its a bit tenuous in that Jack is associated with Fruit Loops in only one episode, whereas, for example, Sam's association with blue Jello has been shown in several episodes. But, the Fruit Loops were referenced repeatedly in WoO, which made it stick in my mind.

I honestly can't remember Jack ever eating green jello, so I wouldn't see that as a reference to him rather than something that looks like Fruit loops.

Now all this food talk has gotten me hungry. :o

*wanders off in search of food*

Enjoy your snack!
There's a photo of the Frootee's packet on this A DOG'S BREAKFAST fan page which looks pretty much identical to the one in Continuum.
http://www.asquirrelsbreakfast.com/imagespage/promo.html

It's a fun little film, should you chance across it.

FF :nox:

FF :nox:

[Nikki]

I agree with everything EvenstarSRV has said. As an SG1 movie, the Frooties/Fruitloops would have an SG1 reference and as Fruitloops is memorably associated with Jack, the reference would be to Jack. Also the context of the scene is just as important as the scene it self here (\/).


Also each member was shown re-connecting with significant parts of their former lives - Cam went back to the farm, Daniel bought his own book and called himself, while Sam thought of Jack. I thought it was very clever - conveyed a lot in a few short scenes.

[First]

I really liked seeing the minor goualds again, Kronos, Yu, Nirrti, Camulus etc. (and working for baal!). A nice touch to see they got all the original actors back, and sad that they got so little screen time. Nice touch, I just wanted more!

It's a little unfortunate that the real SG1 dont know that the original Baal was killed in the past, they'll be forever wondering what happened to him.

[MIZA]

I really liked seeing the minor goualds again, Kronos, Yu, Nirrti, Camulus etc. (and working for baal!). A nice touch to see they got all the original actors back, and sad that they got so little screen time. Nice touch, I just wanted more!

It's a little unfortunate that the real SG1 dont know that the original Baal was killed in the past, they'll be forever wondering what happened to him.

I wish they would have talked more though, they didn't say anything

[EvenstarSRV]

Enjoy your snack!
There's a photo of the Frootee's packet on this A DOG'S BREAKFAST fan page which looks pretty much identical to the one in Continuum.
http://www.asquirrelsbreakfast.com/imagespage/promo.html

It's a fun little film, should you chance across it.


I munched on some Wisconsin cheddar and crackers while watching Continuum again. Both were quite yummy. :D

I've got A Dog's Breakfast on my Netflix queue! Hopefully I'll be getting it in a couple of days.

After re-watching Continuum, one thing I would like to have seen was Daniel staying behind with Vala to help Baal's host. I loved how much compassion Daniel showed to Apophis' host in Serpent's Song, so I think it would have been a nice callback to see him help Baal's host.

[flynn1959]

I agree with everything EvenstarSRV has said. As an SG1 movie, the Frooties/Fruitloops would have an SG1 reference and as Fruitloops is memorably associated with Jack, the reference would be to Jack. Also the context of the scene is just as important as the scene it self here (\/).

There were no Fruitloops only Frooties, and memorably associated with Jack is stretching it a bit, don't you think?

I am sure they meant it as a little nod to David's wonderful film - which was nice.:) If they had meant it to be an SG1 reference they would have used a packet of fruitloops. As has been pointed out before they had the Rice Krispies lable on display so it wasn't a copyright thing or not wanting to pay to use it.

I don't think the context was important though, it was a wasted scene imo. Yes, it did show Sam doing something mundane and boring with a zoned out look on her face. But why? We all knew that they weren't allowed to do what they wanted to do, they must have all gone shopping during that year.

Maybe it just annoyed me that it was the woman they showed food shopping in a supermarket. Mitchell was tinkering with his car, Daniel was browsing for books/knowledge and Sam? She was mulling over which brand of cereal to throw in her trolly. It all seems a little too seventies sit-com to me.:(

[flynn1959]

I munched on some Wisconsin cheddar and crackers while watching Continuum again. Both were quite yummy. :D

I've got A Dog's Breakfast on my Netflix queue! Hopefully I'll be getting it in a couple of days.

After re-watching Continuum, one thing I would like to have seen was Daniel staying behind with Vala to help Baal's host. I loved how much compassion Daniel showed to Apophis' host in Serpent's Song, so I think it would have been a nice callback to see him help Baal's host.

A Dog's Breakfast is a wonderful film.:)

I agree with you about Daniel staying with Vala, but then he wouldn't have been in the final scene. :( I think tptb had to write around CB's pregnancy and even if he had said he was staying with her I doubt we would have seen it.

[Nikki]

There were no Fruitloops only Frooties, and memorably associated with Jack is stretching it a bit, don't you think?

I am sure they meant it as a little nod to David's wonderful film - which was nice.:) If they had meant it to be an SG1 reference they would have used a packet of fruitloops. As has been pointed out before they had the Rice Krispies lable on display so it wasn't a copyright thing or not wanting to pay to use it.

Not in the slightest. Fruitloops/Frootees will make any SG1 fan think of Jack, it was in Window of Opportunity, arguably the most popular episode of SG1 - definitely a fan favorite, several times...and very memorably.

Why Frootees and not Fruitloops? You're right, probably a nod to DH's movie as well - two birds with one stone. They knew (most of) the fans would get the message being conveyed...especially because it was Sam picking up the box, add to that her reaction and the context of the scene and everything is as clear as day...for most.


I don't think the context was important though, it was a wasted scene imo. Yes, it did show Sam doing something mundane and boring with a zoned out look on her face. But why? We all knew that they weren't allowed to do what they wanted to do, they must have all gone shopping during that year.

Maybe it just annoyed me that it was the woman they showed food shopping in a supermarket. Mitchell was tinkering with his car, Daniel was browsing for books/knowledge and Sam? She was mulling over which brand of cereal to throw in her trolly. It all seems a little too seventies sit-com to me.:(

Well that's where we disagree, I think the context was of great importance. Why give Sam a 'wasted scene' and Cam/Daniel significant scenes about their respective former lives? It wouldn't make any sense. Cam goes back to his childhood farm, Daniel back to archeology and Sam thinks of Jack.

[Arga]

I would change the fact that is was Cam's grandfather who was the captain of the boat carrying the Stargate to America.
That sort of coincidence is too much for me. I felt it added nothing to the story, if not plotholes.

[flynn1959]

Not in the slightest. Fruitloops/Frootees will make any SG1 fan think of Jack, it was in Window of Opportunity, arguably the most popular episode of SG1 - definitely a fan favorite, several times...and very memorably.
Why Frootees and not Fruitloops? You're right, probably a nod to DH's movie as well - two birds with one stone. They knew (most of) the fans would get the message being conveyed...especially because it was Sam picking up the box, add to that her reaction and the context of the scene and everything is as clear as day...for most.



Well that's where we disagree, I think the context was of great importance. Why give Sam a 'wasted scene' and Cam/Daniel significant scenes about their respective former lives? It wouldn't make any sense. Cam goes back to his childhood farm, Daniel back to archeology and Sam thinks of Jack.


I couldn't disagree more with the bolded part, WOO is quite popular, but far from the most popular epsiode at all. As for Fruitloops making any fan think of Jack, well I've watched WOO at least four times and the thing I remember him eating was porridge, that and making a face out of sauce! I doubt I would recognise a bowl of Fruitloops if I saw one, they don't sell them in the UK.

The scene made very little sense and was a waste of screen time imo. Yes we all know that in her former life Sam shopped but surely she has done a lot more interesting things than that. I happen to think Daniel and Mitchells' scenes were a bit of a waste too.

I really don't think you can assume that most of the fans would see that scene and clear as day think 'oh look - Sam's thinking about Jack!' If that is indeed the message you think was being conveyed.:confused:

I know you were only speaking for yourself but your post seems to imply that almost all of the fans of SG1 would think the same thing and that isn't the case at all. Like I posted before it was a very tenuous link if it was even intended as such. Afaic it was a nod to DH's movie.:)

I would change it for a more memorable scene,something that showed not that Sam was bored but one that showed she was doing something, anything with her time except shopping.

[EvenstarSRV]

Well that's where we disagree, I think the context was of great importance. Why give Sam a 'wasted scene' and Cam/Daniel significant scenes about their respective former lives? It wouldn't make any sense. Cam goes back to his childhood farm, Daniel back to archeology and Sam thinks of Jack.

As much as I liked that callback to WoO, one of my favorite episodes, I think they could have done a bit more with Sam thinking about her former life, beyond referencing Jack.

We got to see Daniel reach out to himself and Cam trying to find what family connections he can in a world where he doesn't exist. In addition to the Frootie scene, I would liked to have seen Sam maybe watch a TV special about her AT counterpart's death, or maybe even watch a shuttle launch from a distance. Something related to the science and exploration she's been forced to give up.

But realistically, they probably just didn't have the time or budget for anymore. :(

[Skydiver]

I'd actually just add 5/10 minutes to the stuff in the middle with Cam, Daniel and Carter's "new lives". I think it would be more effective with just a few extra minutes of development, particularly Daniel's bitterness about his leg and not being allowed to fix the timeline, which kind of came out of nowhere in the scene with Hayes.

Other than that, I was very pleased with the film, and wouldn't really change anything.
it would have been nice to see their frustration over the limits. Like Sam being frustated at some crappy job, or cam being unable to date, or feeling unable to date. and yeah, daniel's rehab. New jobs, new lives, lonely lives.

show them under surveillance, or maybe just someone in an office somewhere getting a weekly report on what they've done

cause they wouldnt' just cut them loose without keeping an eye on them.

[Nikki]

I couldn't disagree more with the bolded part, WOO is quite popular, but far from the most popular epsiode at all.

That's why I said 'arguably', people may disagree - but it was definitely a very popular episode.


As for Fruitloops making any fan think of Jack, well I've watched WOO at least four times and the thing I remember him eating was porridge, that and making a face out of sauce! I doubt I would recognise a bowl of Fruitloops if I saw one, they don't sell them in the UK.

They actually show six shots of Froot Loops in the episode and Jack mentions the phrase 'Froot Loops' twice. I can confidently say most fans would associate Froot Loops with Jack.


The scene made very little sense and was a waste of screen time imo. Yes we all know that in her former life Sam shopped but surely she has done a lot more interesting things than that. I happen to think Daniel and Mitchells' scenes were a bit of a waste too.

Not if you saw it the way I and many others did. Which I personally think is the way it was intended, otherwise as you said it would be a 'waste of screentime'.


I really don't think you can assume that most of the fans would see that scene and clear as day think 'oh look - Sam's thinking about Jack!' If that is indeed the message you think was being conveyed.:confused:

Clear as day to those who would associate Froot Loops with Jack.


As much as I liked that callback to WoO, one of my favorite episodes, I think they could have done a bit more with Sam thinking about her former life, beyond referencing Jack.

We got to see Daniel reach out to himself and Cam trying to find what family connections he can in a world where he doesn't exist. In addition to the Frootie scene, I would liked to have seen Sam maybe watch a TV special about her AT counterpart's death, or maybe even watch a shuttle launch from a distance. Something related to the science and exploration she's been forced to give up.

But realistically, they probably just didn't have the time or budget for anymore. :(

I wholeheartedly agree. I wish they'd spent a little more time looking at their lives in that year in the ATL. I would've loved more on the Daniel/loss of leg issue - I was really hoping for more angst there. Maybe more on Cam and that girl he had that flirty scene with. And more on Sam and how she's coping with losing her loved ones from her former life and all ties to science, seeing as science/work has been such a significant part of her life.

[Sir Andrew]

I loved having all the old system lords there, but I wanted to see Hathor!

EDIT:

And I don't think Ra should have been there. He never would've caved into Ba'al.

[amconway]

The only thing I would change, if we could some how give them enough money that they didn't have to worry about making it an appropriate length for television, would be to make it longer. I'd say, "make it half an hour longer, the way you want" and see what happened. :)

[atlantis_babe34]

More Sam/jack:P

[Sir Andrew]

YES, and add more of them in their "new" lives

[flynn1959]

They actually show six shots of Froot Loops in the episode and Jack mentions the phrase 'Froot Loops' twice. I can confidently say most fans would associate Froot Loops with Jack.




I can't agree with this statement at all. WOO is just one episode of over 200! I would imagine there are quite a few people who have never seen that one episode and of those that have many wouldn't have taken much notice of just what it was Jack had on his plate. Myself included. I took a little poll in my own household and all five of us think of the sauce face as being the most memeorable food item in WOO.:)

If tptb had really wanted to show that Sam was thinking about Jack why do it that way? Why show a tiny little very obscure item on a shelf that wasn't even the item you say is associated with Jack? Why not Froot loops? It was a pointless scene intended to show nothing more than Sam's boredom, imo.

A much better way to show that ANY of them were thinking about Jack, Teal'c or Vala would have been to include a scene where one of them visits a memorial, or somewhere, and lays a bunch of flowers with their names on it. It wouldn't have taken any more time or effort. As it was aside from a brief moment of grief from Daniel and Sam following what seemed to be the death of their three friends - we got nothing.

It is well established that the relationship between Daniel and Vala goes beyond friendship, they have had a canon love affair and even though Daniel doesn't remember it I think tptb should have shown him mourning her loss. It was obviously part of the reason he became so prickly, to have to live not only without his leg but also without the woman he loves.

They really messed up imo, Continuum has a lot of wasted time/pontless scenes which I think made the whole thing drag. I think that in thier minds the 'cool shots' of the Artic made the movie seem bigger than it was. They made such a big thing out of it that I was expecting a lot more than the tiny bit we did get.:( Maybe if they hadn't blown so much of their shooting time and their budget on that then they could have given us a better film.

[AscendedAsgard]

More jack

A really nice space battle,perhaps like the nox or asgard helping out earth a bit

More president hayes

I though the movie was okey, i liked oot more

[Nikki]

I can't agree with this statement at all. WOO is just one episode of over 200! I would imagine there are quite a few people who have never seen that one episode and of those that have many wouldn't have taken much notice of just what it was Jack had on his plate. Myself included. I took a little poll in my own household and all five of us think of the sauce face as being the most memeorable food item in WOO.:)

Well I always thought it was very obvious and I'm sure most would as well if you'd seen that episode, which I'm sure most have as, like I said, it's extremely popular.


If tptb had really wanted to show that Sam was thinking about Jack why do it that way? Why show a tiny little very obscure item on a shelf that wasn't even the item you say is associated with Jack? Why not Froot loops? It was a pointless scene intended to show nothing more than Sam's boredom, imo.

Subtlety is what they do, especially with Sam/Jack...why confirm the relationship with only Sam in the scene when in the next movie they could have Sam and Jack? I already answered your other question: Why Frootees and not Fruitloops? You're right, probably a nod to DH's movie as well - two birds with one stone. They knew (most of) the fans would get the message being conveyed...especially because it was Sam picking up the box, add to that her reaction and the context of the scene and everything is as clear as day...for most.



A much better way to show that ANY of them were thinking about Jack, Teal'c or Vala would have been to include a scene where one of them visits a memorial, or somewhere, and lays a bunch of flowers with their names on it. It wouldn't have taken any more time or effort. As it was aside from a brief moment of grief from Daniel and Sam following what seemed to be the death of their three friends - we got nothing.

It would require too much time, IMO. Especially, because they wanted to show that they were constantly reminded of their former lives while living their new ones...they didn't want to show that they went out of their way to constantly remind themselves of their former lives. Cam was fixing the car (new life) and went to the farm (former)...Daniel was out walking and went into a book shop (new) came across his own book on archaeology (former)...Sam was out shopping (new) picked up Frootees, reminding her of Jack (former).


It is well established that the relationship between Daniel and Vala goes beyond friendship, they have had a canon love affair and even though Daniel doesn't remember it I think tptb should have shown him mourning her loss. It was obviously part of the reason he became so prickly, to have to live not only without his leg but also without the woman he loves.

I'm not going to address this as I disagree with everything but that's irrelevant to what we're talking about.


They really messed up imo, Continuum has a lot of wasted time/pontless scenes which I think made the whole thing drag. I think that in thier minds the 'cool shots' of the Artic made the movie seem bigger than it was. They made such a big thing out of it that I was expecting a lot more than the tiny bit we did get.:( Maybe if they hadn't blown so much of their shooting time and their budget on that then they could have given us a better film.

Again, disagree.

[flynn1959]

Well I always thought it was very obvious and I'm sure most would as well if you'd seen that episode, which I'm sure most have as, like I said, it's extremely popular.

Subtlety is what they do, especially with Sam/Jack...why confirm the relationship with only Sam in the scene when in the next movie they could have Sam and Jack? I already answered your other question: Why Frootees and not Fruitloops? You're right, probably a nod to DH's movie as well - two birds with one stone. They knew (most of) the fans would get the message being conveyed...especially because it was Sam picking up the box, add to that her reaction and the context of the scene and everything is as clear as day...for most.




It would require too much time, IMO.

I'm not going to address this as I disagree with everything but that's irrelevant to what we're talking about.




Re the bolded part, please stop implying you speak for the majority of Stargate fans-you don't!

Where S/J are concerned the word 'subtlety' doesn't even come close.:confused: And they had both Sam and Jack in Continuum, if they wanted to 'confirm' something they would have. Why wait for the third movie? If tptb really want Sam and Jack to get together they would write that. They don't seem to have a problem writing any other pairing.

A brief scene like the one I described wouldn't take any more time than the pointless shopping scene. I think it would have been a wonderful way to show that they were missing their friends/loved ones. The whole movie was full of time wasting scenes imo, from the dull walk and talk in the Artic to the car mending and shopping. It needed to be tighter and quite frankly a damn sight more interesting. IMO.

[silly sally]

Re the bolded part, please stop implying you speak for the majority of Stargate fans-you don't!

Where S/J are concerned the word 'subtlety' doesn't even come close.:confused: And they had both Sam and Jack in Continuum, if they wanted to 'confirm' something they would have. Why wait for the third movie? If tptb really want Sam and Jack to get together they would write that. They don't seem to have a problem writing any other pairing.

A brief scene like the one I described wouldn't take any more time than the pointless shopping scene. I think it would have been a wonderful way to show that they were missing their friends/loved ones. The whole movie was full of time wasting scenes imo, from the dull walk and talk in the Artic to the car mending and shopping. It needed to be tighter and quite frankly a damn sight more interesting. IMO.

IMHO they're keeping Sam/Jack right till the end when the franchise would be in trouble as a final ace to re-vitalize it - which is a monumental error - just look at Riker/Troy when they finally hot them together almost no one really cared...

[VSS]

Not in the slightest. Fruitloops/Frootees will make any SG1 fan think of Jack, it was in Window of Opportunity, arguably the most popular episode of SG1 - definitely a fan favorite, several times...and very memorably.

Why Frootees and not Fruitloops? You're right, probably a nod to DH's movie as well - two birds with one stone. They knew (most of) the fans would get the message being conveyed...especially because it was Sam picking up the box, add to that her reaction and the context of the scene and everything is as clear as day...for most.

Well that's where we disagree, I think the context was of great importance. Why give Sam a 'wasted scene' and Cam/Daniel significant scenes about their respective former lives? It wouldn't make any sense. Cam goes back to his childhood farm, Daniel back to archeology and Sam thinks of Jack.

I agree with what you've written. I think it was a very nice nod to DH to use the Frootees, whether it was intentional or just a prop they picked up. It also saved them from having to explain to Kellogg (again) why they couldn't use waffles. :P

Re: the bolded part. APA pointed out Sam's looking at the box, and her reaction being a little off- like she was buying it but there was something about it she didn't like. And that what she didn't like was the fact that she couldn't even get a box of real Froot Loops, FCOL!. Because there are Kelloggs products sitting right there on the shelf.

Her reaction there always puzzled me, until I looked at it that way. So, what thing would I change in Continuum? Give the poor woman a choice between Froot Loops and Frootees!

[flynn1959]

IMHO they're keeping Sam/Jack right till the end when the franchise would be in trouble as a final ace to re-vitalize it - which is a monumental error - just look at Riker/Troy when they finally hot them together almost no one really cared...

And Mulder and Scully, having just watched the new X-Files movie I have to say keeping any potential relationships until the very end of a franchise is a monumental error!

The earliest the next movie will come around will be late next year, in Stargate years that is what? 12,13+ years since the pilot!

Now, it's well known that I am not a fan of the supposed S/J ship, but I have friends who are, at least they used to be - they have moved on to other shows. I really don't understand why tptb didn't put Sam and Jack together in Continuum. Sam is no longer in Jack's direct chain of command, which, from what I understand, means they are free to have a personal relationship now.

If, like you say, they are leaving that until the very end of the franchise in the hope that it would be some sort of shot in the arm, then I think they are in for a big shock. I really can't see that many people being interested by then. And in their desired demographic I really don't think the prospect of two people old enough to be their parents or even grandparents getting together is going to be that big of a draw. And that isn't a dig at the actors, it's just me being realistic.

If I had the chance to change Continuum I would stick in a S/J scene that was so blindingly obvious there could be no mistake about it. Put it in and get it over and done with. And then never mention it again!! Ever.

[amconway]

It is well established that the relationship between Daniel and Vala goes beyond friendship, they have had a canon love affair and even though Daniel doesn't remember it I think tptb should have shown him mourning her loss. It was obviously part of the reason he became so prickly, to have to live not only without his leg but also without the woman he loves.

Say what?! First I've heard of it! ;) I'm not objecting to your right to your opinion, just saying that it's not canon... Of course, given that it is not explicitly addressed, your opinion that they had a relationship is just as valid as my equally strong opinion that they did not...

Re: some of the previous exchanges. Perhaps we could agree that all of our ideas about events/relationships/etc that are not openly stated in the show or movies are all equally valid opinions? It might stop us from heading down the slippery slope of nastiness that has afflicted so many threads recently. :) That, and remembering that scenes that one of us might not care for are probably someone else's favorite, and discussing it accordingly...

[flynn1959]

Say what?! First I've heard of it! ;) I'm not objecting to your right to your opinion, just saying that it's not canon... Of course, given that it is not explicitly addressed, your opinion that they had a relationship is just as valid as my equally strong opinion that they did not...

Re: some of the previous exchanges. Perhaps we could agree that all of our ideas about events/relationships/etc that are not openly stated in the show or movies are equally valid opinions? It might stop us from heading down the slippery slope of nastiness that has afflicted so many threads recently. :) That, and remembering that scenes that one of us might not care for are probably someone else's favorite, and discussing it accordingly...

Well, as far as Unending goes, it is.:) After all, that was our Daniel and Vala, in our timeline, in our universe. The fact that Teal'c remembers all of those fifty or sixty years Daniel and Vala spent together does indeed make it canon. It seemed to be pretty explicity addressed to me!

Then again as the thread title says, all of our opinions expressed here are just that our opinions on what we would change in Continuum.

I haven't seen any nastiness here, then again I have been working on and off so maybe I've missed something.:(

[amconway]

Well, as far as Unending goes, it is. After all, that was our Daniel and Vala, in our timeline, in our universe. The fact that Teal'c remembers all of those fifty or sixty years Daniel and Vala spent together does indeed make it canon. It seemed to be pretty explicity addressed to me!
Ah, but those events never happened, for all that Teal'c remembers them. Altering the timeline does make thing complex, doesn't it? :)


I haven't seen any nastiness here, then again I have been working on and off so maybe I've missed something.
Nothing very overt, but it looked like it might head down that road. Things have been getting so heated lately, I thought I'd just give it a little mention before we suddenly found ourselves there. ;)

[flynn1959]

Ah, but those events never happened, for all that Teal'c remembers them. Altering the timeline does make thing complex, doesn't it? :)


Nothing very overt, but it looked like it might head down that road. Things have been getting so heated lately, I thought I'd just give it a little mention before we suddenly found ourselves there. ;)


But if they never happened how can Teal'c remember them? Tptb must see that D/V exists, see the amazing chemistry between those two characters, and I don't blame them for giving us that.:) I do wish that more had been made of Daniel's loss in Continuum though.

I don't think we need to worry about any nastiness here. After all, it's only a tv show.:)

[amconway]

But if they never happened how can Teal'c remember them?
In exactly the same way that Sam, Daniel, and Mitchell remember the original timeline in Continuum!

Tptb must see that D/V exists, see the amazing chemistry between those two characters, and I don't blame them for giving us that
Our opinions differ, there. ;)

I do wish that more had been made of Daniel's loss in Continuum though.
I can see that. I was fine with it, but if they had more time, additional scenes would also have been fine. I had no problem with the way they approached it, though. To me, it seemed in character. Of course, we all have differing opinions of characterization.

I don't think we need to worry about any nastiness here. After all, it's only a tv show
One would think so, sadly, that is not the case far too often. ;)

[flynn1959]

In exactly the same way that Sam, Daniel, and Mitchell remember the original timeline in Continuum!



But that time line was in the past, they gated through to the present day in an AT. So they would remember the way things had been for them. Once the timeline was restored their memories of the year they spent in the AT were erased. In Unending Teal'c remembered so I see that as canon.

And now my brain hurts...I hate all of this AT/AU stuff.:(

[amconway]

But that time line was in the past, they gated through to the present day in an AT. So they would remember the way things had been for them. Once the timeline was restored their memories of the year they spent in the AT were erased. In Unending Teal'c remembered so I see that as canon.
The fact that they lived through a year that was rolled back is canon - they all know it happened, and Teal'c remembers the events of a time that no longer occured. That's a very odd concept.
Anyway, since the events of that time rolled back, and did not occur, none of the events can be considered things that actually happened, just things that would have happened if they hadn't eventually solved their problem. So they are things that might have been, but not facts that actually happened... Er, there was probably a more succinct way to put that! ;)

[flynn1959]

The fact that they lived through a year that was rolled back is canon - they all know it happened, and Teal'c remembers the events of a time that no longer occured. That's a very odd concept.
Anyway, since the events of that time rolled back, and did not occur, none of the events can be considered things that actually happened, just things that would have happened if they hadn't eventually solved their problem. So they are things that might have been, but not facts that actually happened... Er, there was probably a more succinct way to put that! ;)

Uhmmm...what??? They don't know that year happened - do they? The year in Continuum I mean.

And Teal'c remembers the events of Unending so that's canon...right? They happened, but then so did that year in Continuum so...okay, I know I was going somewhere with this but for the life of me I don't know where.:confused:

This is why I hate this kind of thing and why, imo, the whole of Continuum was a waste of time.:(

[amconway]

I made a mistake while thinking of Continuum and Unending at the same time Should have said:

The fact that they lived through the time on the ship that was then that was rolled back is canon - they all know it happened - from Teal'c, and Teal'c remembers the events of a time that no longer occured. That's a very odd concept.
Anyway, since the events of that time rolled back, and did not occur, none of the events can be considered things that actually happened, just things that would have happened if they hadn't eventually solved their problem. So they are things that might have been, but not facts that actually happened... Er, there was probably a more succinct way to put that!

The gist of it was:
-they lived the better part of a life, and then undid it so that those events never actually occured. They know this because Teal'c told them that this event happened, but they don't remember them. He cannot tell them, because to know what occured in a timeline that no longer exists might change the current timeline. That's part is canon, for sure. But nothing that happened in the time they were stuck on the ship is canon, because it never happened in the existing timeline. They are events that might have happened, but did not.


This is why I hate this kind of thing and why, imo, the whole of Continuum was a waste of time.
Not me! I find it quite interesting.

[flynn1959]

I made a mistake while thinking of Continuum and Unending at the same time



How on earth did you do that? It's all as clear as - well, mud actually!:)

[Nikki]

amconway, I agree with everything you've said and think that you put it in the clearest way possible given the topic we're discussing - well done! :jack_new_anime07:

The events on the ship are not canon because they did not happen in the linear timeline the show is set in and the one that we are following. And you can prove they didn't happen because the entire universe sees the timeline as "SG1 say bye bye to the Asgard - SG1 are chased by the Ori - SG1 survive and head home". An event only occurs if you can assign it a specific point on a linear timeline. The fact that Teal'c remembers it doesn't mean a thing...because if that were true, then as soon as Teal'c died or lost his memory it would mean all of a sudden it didn't happen, which makes no sense.

Of course you can argue that it happened in a parallel (quantum) timeline...which Teal'c experienced like Sam in 'The Road Not Taken' but hell there's probably a parallel (quantum) timeline where Sam and Jack have five kids together and retired ten years ago but that is not canon in our linear timeline.

[Nikki]

I agree with what you've written. I think it was a very nice nod to DH to use the Frootees, whether it was intentional or just a prop they picked up. It also saved them from having to explain to Kellogg (again) why they couldn't use waffles. :P

Re: the bolded part. APA pointed out Sam's looking at the box, and her reaction being a little off- like she was buying it but there was something about it she didn't like. And that what she didn't like was the fact that she couldn't even get a box of real Froot Loops, FCOL!. Because there are Kelloggs products sitting right there on the shelf.

Her reaction there always puzzled me, until I looked at it that way. So, what thing would I change in Continuum? Give the poor woman a choice between Froot Loops and Frootees!

Definitely agree with all of that. :)

[flynn1959]

amconway, The events on the ship are not canon because they did not happen in the linear timeline the show is set in and the one that we are following.

But my point was that as it is well established that Daniel and Vala are attracted to one another, and have a relationship that goes beyond friendship, it would have been nice to see that referenced in Continuum. It isn't just the events in Unending, which I still consider canon as they did happen as witnessed by Teal'c. Using your logic whenever a person dies if they are the only one with certain memories then when they go it would mean that those events never happened, which isn't true.

I would like to show Daniel grieving a little more for Vala and also for the loss of his leg, both of those huge events were glossed over.

Then again, using your logic, ALL of the events in Continuum during the AT didn't happen as no one remembers them, so the whole thing was pointless.

[silly sally]

But my point was that as it is well established that Daniel and Vala are attracted to one another, and have a relationship that goes beyond friendship, it would have been nice to see that referenced in Continuum. It isn't just the events in Unending, which I still consider canon as they did happen as witnessed by Teal'c. Using your logic whenever a person dies if they are the only one with certain memories then when they go it would mean that those events never happened, which isn't true.

I would like to show Daniel grieving a little more for Vala and also for the loss of his leg, both of those huge events were glossed over.

Then again, using your logic, ALL of the events in Continuum during the AT didn't happen as no one remembers them, so the whole thing was pointless.

Do you consider "2010" or "Moebius" canon as well?

[flynn1959]

Do you consider "2010" or "Moebius" canon as well?

Well in the case of Moebius that wasn't even our SG1 was it. So it doesn't matter.

In 2010 the whole timeline was restored and no one remembers it, so no that's not canon...I think.:( See this is why I hate AT/AU's so much.

Anyway, we were talking about Continuum and the relationship between Daniel and Vala and that is canon, not just because of the events in Unending but for all of the other reasons/evidence. I just think a scene should have been included showing how Vala's loss had effected Daniel, how much he missed her.

[silly sally]

Well in the case of Moebius that wasn't even our SG1 was it. So it doesn't matter.

In 2010 the whole timeline was restored and no one remembers it, so no that's not canon...I think.:( See this is why I hate AT/AU's so much.

Anyway, we were talking about Continuum and the relationship between Daniel and Vala and that is canon, not just because of the events in Unending but for all of the other reasons/evidence. I just think a scene should have been included showing how Vala's loss had effected Daniel, how much he missed her.

IMHO
Canon ships
Jack
1. Jack/Sara (married+divorced pre-show)
2. Jack/Laira (100 days)
3. Jack/Kerry (Threads)
with Kynthia (Brief Candle) he was date-raped IMHO
Sam
1. Sam/Jonas H. (engaged pre-show)
2. Sam/Pete (engaged)
Daniel
1. Daniel/Sarah Gardner (pre-show)
2. Daniel/Sha're (married)
3. Daniel/Shyla (Need)
4. Daniel/Vala (Prometheus Unbound - although it was more like a roll in the hay)
Teal'c/Shaunac/Dreyac/Ishta

Even though I'm a SJ shipper I don't consider it absolute canon yet :P

[Nikki]

But my point was that as it is well established that Daniel and Vala are attracted to one another, and have a relationship that goes beyond friendship, it would have been nice to see that referenced in Continuum.

I don't think that it is well-established at all - it may be your opinion though.


It isn't just the events in Unending, which I still consider canon as they did happen as witnessed by Teal'c. Using your logic whenever a person dies if they are the only one with certain memories then when they go it would mean that those events never happened, which isn't true.

Re-read my post. What you say here is incorrect as in this case the 'certain events' which you describe would have a specific point on the liner timeline that we follow, so would have been canon.


I would like to show Daniel grieving a little more for Vala and also for the loss of his leg, both of those huge events were glossed over.

I would've also liked to see the part in bold.


Then again, using your logic, ALL of the events in Continuum during the AT didn't happen as no one remembers them, so the whole thing was pointless.

I'm going to edit what you say to make this true....Then again, using your logic, ALL of the events in Continuum during the AT didn't happen as you cannot give them a specific point on the linear timeline that we follow and that is canon, so the whole thing was pointless.

That's true. As BW and many others mentioned it was a 'fun romp'. Good old fashioned entertainment. However, from what BW has said the next movie should have a lot more progression.


<snip>
Anyway, we were talking about Continuum and the relationship between Daniel and Vala and that is canon, not just because of the events in Unending but for all of the other reasons/evidence. I just think a scene should have been included showing how Vala's loss had effected Daniel, how much he missed her.

Maybe he didn't...:confused:

[scapephile]

I am curious as to hear Brad Wright's definition of "progression" of anything relating to characters in general.The comments he makes in the commentaries say to me he sees character development as a nuisance.

[SG1FanOregon]

if it went down like that it would have been too much like Moebius...

as for Cam disappearing it was a plothole but a necessary one in order to keep him in the movie.
to correct the plothole they should have done it like this:
Cam, Carter and Daniel would have went to the tokra planet while the ceremony was already taking place (with O'Niel Teal'c and Vala there. there would be the same scene up till the point Baal says there's a secret plan and everything starts disappearing) just at that moment Cam, Carter and Daniel would be passing through the gate and would arrive to see a barren planet.

then we cut to 1939 to see Baal taking over the ship. then back to SG1 on the Tokra planet not realizing what happened, then they dial back to Earth and end up in the frozen ship.
would have made much more sense.

Cam not disappearing wasn't exactly a plothole because Sam addressed that by saying his existance was most likely protected by his traveling through the gate at the time he would've disappeared. As far as Teal'c & Vala disappearing first?? I'd imagine Ba'al consolidated his power & took Vala as his queen & made Teal'c his first prime before going back in time to the ship. Thats makes the most sense to me, but thats Sci-fi for you. Yes, I wish there was more O'Neil in it, BUT...I can't think of anything that'd have fans sitting on the edge of their seats more than seeing Sam fighting to save him. You can't keep Jack & Sam seperated. Thats nothing less than the sin of sins

[Skydiver]

Re: the bolded part. APA pointed out Sam's looking at the box, and her reaction being a little off- like she was buying it but there was something about it she didn't like. And that what she didn't like was the fact that she couldn't even get a box of real Froot Loops, FCOL!. Because there are Kelloggs products sitting right there on the shelf.

Her reaction there always puzzled me, until I looked at it that way. So, what thing would I change in Continuum? Give the poor woman a choice between Froot Loops and Frootees!

One way you can look at it is, if you want to see sam and jack, here she is a year after his death, buying a cereal she probably isn't too fond of, but probably something that she buys out of habit or memory. and i get the idea she's thinking 'i am so sad to be buying breakfast cereal' or 'yep, this is all i have left of my old life'

[Nikki]

I am curious as to hear Brad Wright's definition of "progression" of anything relating to characters in general.The comments he makes in the commentaries say to me he sees character development as a nuisance.

From what I've inferred so far, I think he meant we'd see a progression of events...of our timeline. As, in Continuum all that really happened with our SG1 and in our timeline was that SG1 went to see Ba'al's extraction - saw - and returned...that's it. Where as in the third movie (because it won't be a time-travel/AU/AT movie) we'll see a lot more happen for/to our SG1. Hopefully, that includes lots of character development...like you, I agree that is necessary...and personally, I haven't really been disappointed in the past with this whenever BW was involved, so hopefully I won't be again. :)

[SG1FanOregon]

Why didn't they show Sam tinkering on some bike instead of pointless shopping? :(
IMO I think they wanted it to look pointless & show her frustration at the entire situation, & we know Jack's death was constantly on her mind everyday of her life in that AT. It's 1 of those moments where she's not upset or crying, but you can feel her pain as she plods along through a life thats soooo beneith her skill & abilities. Besides, I think with Cam working on his Mustang, Sam working on a bike would've been too similar & their lives were intentionally seperated to go on different paths. I did rather like that grin on Daniel's face when he found that book :) The more boring their new lives were. The more you know an invasion is coming. You have to admirer & love TPTB For any 1 thing someone can complain about or wish they could change, there's 10 things you can applause & cheer about!

The actors get most of the love from us & I don't think we say this often enough so...............To Brad Wright, Robert Cooper, Martin Wood, & Peter too "I love you guys" From your minds came a gift you shared with us thats so treasured by us fans words can't express it. Thankyou!!
:indeed::jack_new_anime07::apophis-rings::vortex04:

[flynn1959]

I'm going to edit what you say to make this true....Then again, using your logic, ALL of the events in Continuum during the AT didn't happen as you cannot give them a specific point on the linear timeline that we follow and that is canon, so the whole thing was pointless.

That's true. As BW and many others mentioned it was a 'fun romp'. Good old fashioned entertainment. However, from what BW has said the next movie should have a lot more progression.





Time as we know it is only a man made invention - so don't even get me started on the physics of it all. And as for it being linear, well that is a whole other kettle of fish!!;)

I didn't find Continuum to be a 'fun romp' at all. Jack died, Teal'c and Vala had their lives stolen, Daniel lost a leg and then he, Mitchell and Sam are separated not only from each other but everything they know and love. Fun? Hardly. I don't even think it was all that entertaining, it was an okay overlong episode and nothing more, imo. It was also, as I have said before, totally pointless.:(

[Nikki]

Time as we know it is only a man made invention - so don't even get me started on the physics of it all. And as for it being linear, well that is a whole other kettle of fish!!;)

Please do fill me in on where I supposedly went wrong. I'd love to know. :)


I didn't find Continuum to be a 'fun romp' at all. Jack died, Teal'c and Vala had their lives stolen, Daniel lost a leg and then he, Mitchell and Sam are separated not only from each other but everything they know and love. Fun? Hardly. I don't even think it was all that entertaining, it was an okay overlong episode and nothing more, imo. It was also, as I have said before, totally pointless.:(

Well I thought it was fun and entertaining. :)

[flynn1959]

Please do fill me in on where I supposedly went wrong. I'd love to know. :)



I thought I did.:confused:

[Nikki]

Time as we know it is only a man made invention - so don't even get me started on the physics of it all. And as for it being linear, well that is a whole other kettle of fish!!;)
<snip>


I thought I did.:confused:

Nope.

Even if time as we know it is man-made, its canon.

[flynn1959]

Nope.

Even if time as we know it is man-made, its canon.

No, it isn't. Even the concept or time being linear is a therory not a proof. And a recent, western theory at that.:) But this is way OT, even if it is interesting, I always loved Physics at school.:)

[Nikki]

No, it isn't. Even the concept or time being linear is a therory not a proof. And a recent, western theory at that.:) But this is way OT, even if it is interesting, I always loved Physics at school.:)

I guess we disagree on what is canon then...even though you don't provide an alternative for what you think is canon and why, with regards to time.

[VSS]

Nope.

Even if time as we know it is man-made, its canon.

Linear time is probably canon, because of the notion of entropy. Relative time is a problem.

But there probably really is a past, present, and future. Entropy only runs one way.


I guess we disagree on what is canon then...even though you don't provide an alternative for what you think is canon and why, with regards to time.

I think stargate messes up their ideas of AT/AU all the time. But they're pretty good with linear time. For instance, 2010 and Unending never happened in our reality. Sure Teal'c remembers Unending but that was in a different reality. In a way, what happened to him is very much like what happened to Sam, Cam and Daniel in Continuum. They all wound up in realities with memories that no one else had- to them it was real. But to the people in the new timeline, it never happened.

We are in the timeline where Unending and 2010 never happened. Well, I like to think so. :) That's what make Stargate fun. It seems like it could be happening now.

It's very hard to decide what's canon- did all of these alternative realities happen onscreen? Yes. Do they affect the story going forward? Only if they had an impact on our characters. And I think that latter definition is the only way to look at it without driving yourself nuts. It probably is the way TPTB look at it. That's why they love the big reset button. They can do all kinds of dramatic things without it having any impact on the team.

I'm kinda tired of it, though.

[EvenstarSRV]

It's very hard to decide what's canon- did all of these alternative realities happen onscreen? Yes. Do they affect the story going forward? Only if they had an impact on our characters. And I think that latter definition is the only way to look at it without driving yourself nuts. It probably is the way TPTB look at it. That's why they love the big reset button. They can do all kinds of dramatic things without it having any impact on the team.

The bolded part is the main reason I'm personally quite fond of AT/AU stories. Stargate is usually pretty formulaic, the heroes are confronted with a problem, after some twists and turns they solve the problem, and then they go home having saved the day. And the nature of serialized television generally prevents the writers from changing things or progressing a storyline too quickly, because they generally have to stretch things out over the course of a season.

I like AT/AU stories because it allows the writers to do dramatic things within the constraints of being a TV series. And even though Stargate as a series is now over, I think the writers see Continuum as a romp because it allowed them to do the dramatic things without it resulting in big changes in the Stargate universe.

Now a little bit back on topic, I would loved to have seen more of the Arctic in the movie. I love landscapes and I thought the wide shots of Sam and Mitchell on the ice were beautiful. :)

[majorsal]

And Mulder and Scully, having just watched the new X-Files movie I have to say keeping any potential relationships until the very end of a franchise is a monumental error!

The earliest the next movie will come around will be late next year, in Stargate years that is what? 12,13+ years since the pilot!

Now, it's well known that I am not a fan of the supposed S/J ship, but I have friends who are, at least they used to be - they have moved on to other shows. I really don't understand why tptb didn't put Sam and Jack together in Continuum. Sam is no longer in Jack's direct chain of command, which, from what I understand, means they are free to have a personal relationship now.

If, like you say, they are leaving that until the very end of the franchise in the hope that it would be some sort of shot in the arm, then I think they are in for a big shock. I really can't see that many people being interested by then. And in their desired demographic I really don't think the prospect of two people old enough to be their parents or even grandparents getting together is going to be that big of a draw. And that isn't a dig at the actors, it's just me being realistic.

If I had the chance to change Continuum I would stick in a S/J scene that was so blindingly obvious there could be no mistake about it. Put it in and get it over and done with. And then never mention it again!! Ever.

for someone that doesn't see sam/jack and/or hates it so much, you sure as heck talk about it enough! :p



sally :D

[majorsal]

I would like to show Daniel grieving a little more for Vala and also for the loss of his leg, both of those huge events were glossed over.



the events that lead daniel and vala together in 'unending' hasn't happened, so i see no reason why he'd grieve for something he doesn't have.

d/v wasn't highlighted, or you could see him wondering where she went off to at the beginning as something if you want.

ship wise, i wouldn't like seeing mitchell hook up with that mom because i found her boring. :p he'd need someone with a little more something. :)




sally :)

[VSS]

the events that lead daniel and vala together in 'unending' hasn't happened, so i see no reason why he'd grieve for something he doesn't have.

d/v wasn't highlighted, or you could see him wondering where she went off to at the beginning as something if you want.

ship wise, i wouldn't like seeing mitchell hook up with that mom because i found her boring. :p he'd need someone with a little more something. :)




sally :)

Well, with a name starting with "Mrs." she's not only boring, she is, as Cam said, "trouble." :)

[Muh_tuttles]

one thing: make it longer. :)


That's pretty much my thought to. On my two subsequent viewings, knowing what was coming, the film didn't feel incomplete, but my first time through, I thought: what?? That's it? It seemed like first 3/4 of a great movie.

ay, make it longer! It would allow great character studies to be done. Plus, it would be nicer with a bit more Jack :D. My friend and I live in the fantasy that Jack is still the "Star" of "Stargate". :D:jack::jack_new_anime04::jack_new15::jack_new_anime25::jack_new_anime18:

Go Jack!

[Nikki]

Linear time is probably canon, because of the notion of entropy. Relative time is a problem.

But there probably really is a past, present, and future. Entropy only runs one way.



I think stargate messes up their ideas of AT/AU all the time. But they're pretty good with linear time. For instance, 2010 and Unending never happened in our reality. Sure Teal'c remembers Unending but that was in a different reality. In a way, what happened to him is very much like what happened to Sam, Cam and Daniel in Continuum. They all wound up in realities with memories that no one else had- to them it was real. But to the people in the new timeline, it never happened.

We are in the timeline where Unending and 2010 never happened. Well, I like to think so. :) That's what make Stargate fun. It seems like it could be happening now.

It's very hard to decide what's canon- did all of these alternative realities happen onscreen? Yes. Do they affect the story going forward? Only if they had an impact on our characters. And I think that latter definition is the only way to look at it without driving yourself nuts. It probably is the way TPTB look at it. That's why they love the big reset button. They can do all kinds of dramatic things without it having any impact on the team.

I'm kinda tired of it, though.

I agree with everything here especially with the part in bold. Despite enjoying Continuum, I'd rather not have anymore time travel/AU/AT stories because I'd like to see some progression with our characters lives. :)

[VSS]

ay, make it longer! It would allow great character studies to be done. Plus, it would be nicer with a bit more Jack :D. My friend and I live in the fantasy that Jack is still the "Star" of "Stargate". :D:jack::jack_new_anime04::jack_new15::jack_new_anime25::jack_new_anime18:

Go Jack!

I second that statement!


I agree with everything here especially with the part in bold. Despite enjoying Continuum, I'd rather not have anymore time travel/AU/AT stories because I'd like to see some progression with our characters lives. :)

Most of Jack's appearances since he wrapped things up in Threads have been "not-real" (Moebius, 200, Continuum, The Real World). It's highly ironic that the character with the least screen time has most of it used up by things that don't have any long-term impact on the show! I mean, these have been fun to watch, but we know very little about what he's been up to. In terms of the big reset, Jack has been a victim of it for going on four years now.

More "real" Jack in Continuum would have been nice.

[Skydiver]

or have the time travel, but don't hit the reset switch at the end.

CHANGE things. enough with the star trek 'return to status quo' at the end

[Margaret]

the events that lead daniel and vala together in 'unending' hasn't happened, so i see no reason why he'd grieve for something he doesn't have.

Daniel had a lot invested in Vala, as can be seen from events in episodes like Flesh and Blood and Memento Mori.

I think his guess that Baal's queen was Qetesh shows that he had a pretty good idea 'what happened to Vala.'

[Margaret]

Think fruitloops. When have you seen those before??? If you look at the box, you'll see that the props people deliberately covered up another brand of cereal with a fake fruitloops design.

Oh, now I get it!

I never connected Fruit Loops with a time loop before!

[silly sally]

or have the time travel, but don't hit the reset switch at the end.

CHANGE things. enough with the star trek 'return to status quo' at the end

Unfortunately you can't change to much or it will affect SGA as well...

[Nikki]

<snip>
Most of Jack's appearances since he wrapped things up in Threads have been "not-real" (Moebius, 200, Continuum, The Real World). It's highly ironic that the character with the least screen time has most of it used up by things that don't have any long-term impact on the show! I mean, these have been fun to watch, but we know very little about what he's been up to. In terms of the big reset, Jack has been a victim of it for going on four years now.

More "real" Jack in Continuum would have been nice.

OMG yes! I've never actually realised that before. Jack really has been hit the hardest with the reset button. I agree, as much fun as it has been I'd love to see some progression in the next movie.

And like Skydiver mentioned, if time travel is involved let there be consequences.

[amconway]

Originally Posted by VSS
<snip>
Most of Jack's appearances since he wrapped things up in Threads have been "not-real" (Moebius, 200, Continuum, The Real World). It's highly ironic that the character with the least screen time has most of it used up by things that don't have any long-term impact on the show! I mean, these have been fun to watch, but we know very little about what he's been up to. In terms of the big reset, Jack has been a victim of it for going on four years now.

More "real" Jack in Continuum would have been nice.


OMG yes! I've never actually realised that before. Jack really has been hit the hardest with the reset button. I agree, as much fun as it has been I'd love to see some progression in the next movie.

I think part of the reason for that is that Jack's 'real' life must be pretty depressing. He's stuck in Washington dealing with politicians and the military hierarchy - exactly what Jack would hate most. It's important, and he's protecting the program, but he's away from the day to day action and rarely gets to go offworld. Not to mention that he's separated from the people he cares most about. They are going to have to make a big change there, if they want to make his character the focus of the next movie, or even show more of his life.

[VSS]

I think part of the reason for that is that Jack's 'real' life must be pretty depressing. He's stuck in Washington dealing with politicians and the military hierarchy - exactly what Jack would hate most. It's important, and he's protecting the program, but he's away from the day to day action and rarely gets to go offworld. Not to mention that he's separated from the people he cares most about. They are going to have to make a big change there, if they want to make his character the focus of the next movie, or even show more of his life.

Well, it's no wonder he wanted to show up at yet another boring extraction ceremony! :P

Personally, I'm surprised he's lasted this long.
He should have been fired by now, quite frankly because he's not much of a politician and that is at least half of his job now. So I'm thinking we're going to see that kind of conflict in the next movie- I posted in the "Third Movie" thread that he's kind of like MacArthur (he even paraphrased him in Avalon) and look what eventually happened to him.

[amconway]

Well, it's no wonder he wanted to show up at yet another boring extraction ceremony!

Personally, I'm surprised he's lasted this long.
He should have been fired by now, quite frankly because he's not much of a politician and that is at least half of his job now. So I'm thinking we're going to see that kind of conflict in the next movie- I posted in the "Third Movie" thread that he's kind of like MacArthur (he even paraphrased him in Avalon) and look what eventually happened to him.

That would be very interesting. His 'promotion' was the worst thing that could have happened to him. I don't think he'd be too sad to be 'demoted' back to a more front line position. But where would they put him? Movie speculation aside, O'Neill would be the best possible leader for Atlantis (although I am liking Woolsey) or for the Universe ship, but with RDA being a single parent to a young daughter, and living in LA, that's not going to happen! So, if he were bounced out of Washington, where might he be assigned?

[VSS]

That would be very interesting. His 'promotion' was the worst thing that could have happened to him. I don't think he'd be too sad to be 'demoted' back to a more front line position. But where would they put him? Movie speculation aside, O'Neill would be the best possible leader for Atlantis (although I am liking Woolsey) or for the Universe ship, but with RDA being a single parent to a young daughter, and living in LA, that's not going to happen! So, if he were bounced out of Washington, where might he be assigned?

I don't know if they demote people of this rank. I think they call it "retirement". :( So, I have no clue- only that there's gonna be trouble. ;)

[amconway]

I don't know if they demote people of this rank. I think they call it "retirement". :( So, I have no clue- only that there's gonna be trouble. ;)
That would, indeed, be interesting. Might be tough to forcibly retire a guy who knows where that many skeletons are buried, though. Of course, he could always retire off world and start up a 'side project'. ;)

[teknikal]

The frootees in their original context (forgive the crappy quality!)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/SPECIALAGENTT/ADB1-1.jpg

[VSS]

The frootees in their original context (forgive the crappy quality!)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/SPECIALAGENTT/ADB1-1.jpg

Now this is what I'd change in Continuum.
Get this box of Frootees- it's a much higher quality prop! :rolleyes:

[wise one]

i wanted same, cam and dan to meet baal in the altered timeline, see his reaction

[amconway]

Well, it's no wonder he wanted to show up at yet another boring extraction ceremony!

Personally, I'm surprised he's lasted this long.
He should have been fired by now, quite frankly because he's not much of a politician and that is at least half of his job now. So I'm thinking we're going to see that kind of conflict in the next movie- I posted in the "Third Movie" thread that he's kind of like MacArthur (he even paraphrased him in Avalon) and look what eventually happened to him.

It occured to me that if they don't want to actually change Jack's job, they could just have a friend from the past request his presence off world. Say the Tollan or the Nox.

[SpinningChevron]

There are only 2 things I would change in Continuum,

1) If they are getting Ben Browder to play his own grandfather then at least change his voice slightly.

2) When the Goa'auld attack Earth I would like to see more happening from a ground level (i'm not expecting Independance Day scale of destruction) but some Ha'taks flying over cities would be nice.

Other than that it was brilliant.

[Kris_x-303]

As Jack says - Then theres cake

Seriously! where was the cake!

But anyway id have had more dog fights with F-16's nd death gliders or even Migs.. i loved that scene, especially Dannys talking - we're americans shoot the guys behind us

Also

A cool line from Cam when he shoots Ba'al, seriously he need a cool saying.. even a 'pickaboo' or 'its been a while' would have been a great line

[Skydiver]

cam could quip 'right on time'

[Egle01]

I'd change the DVD menus. :jack_new_anime25:

[Jack_Bauer]

I agree with all those who wanted more JAck.... I wonder how much he got paid to pretty much have no impact on the storyline. Hell he got killed for no reason in like 2 seconds, wasn't even dramatic for cryin' out loud, this is Jack O'neill, if your gonna kill him, make it count!

[Coco Pops]

As Jack says - Then theres cake

Seriously! where was the cake!

But anyway id have had more dog fights with F-16's nd death gliders or even Migs.. i loved that scene, especially Dannys talking - we're americans shoot the guys behind us




I watched this again today and am guilty of nodding off during part of the movie. Where is the dialogue you mention? Which part of the flying scenes?

[Kris_x-303]

I watched this again today and am guilty of nodding off during part of the movie. Where is the dialogue you mention? Which part of the flying scenes?


When theyre on the way to the Russian gate, he says it in Russian and Cam asks and he says thats what he said, probably not the exact words cause i cant find the transcript but its around those lines..

[Coco Pops]

When theyre on the way to the Russian gate, he says it in Russian and Cam asks and he says thats what he said, probably not the exact words cause i cant find the transcript but its around those lines..


Ah... I found it hehe....


That was the bit where I nodded off :o oops


One thing I would have changed is the whole Daniel phone call thing. it's pointless and silly. Imagine the near disaster if the two Daniels had physically met.

[captain Qball]

I would have had more cameos....Have the fly by through the SGC include the briefing room and Landry's office. They could pretend the elevator goes up the one floor. They could include Reynolds, Lam, and Dr. Lee.

Have Fraiser do run some tests in the AT to confirm they are who they say they are. Most importantly, have Checkov be at the Russian base, not the random nobody. Someone else mentioned Kinsey, it could be a good movie, but most of his baggage is with O'Neill, just like Maybourne. They could only include him in it was the real O'neill that went into this timeline.


Also have scenes of Cam, Sam, and Daniel trying to prepare instead of "adjusting" to their new lives. Have 3 scenes for each of them. Cam can go to his farm, hand in some report to his contact and ask if he can phone Carter yet, and have him boarding a Plane to Glastonbury in some desperate attempt todo ...something.

Have Sam working on calculations at a table with a TV on in the background and have the Simspons start on TV. She would look up and get that look on her face and turn off the TV. Have her tickering with a toaster and canibalizing it's parts. Lastly have her trying to activate a stargate reminiscient to the one Orlin made.

For Daniel, you could keep the Book store/ phone call scene. The next scene could be him talking on the phone in Russian, with a drawig of sargate symbols in front of him, trying to locate the DHD. His final scene could be him at a mental facility going to speak with his Grandfather.


This would at least show that they are never giving up, as they've never been shown to give up before.

[Sprinkles]

The movie was very good, would recommend to others, but as others have said I would have Daniel, Cam and Carter be shown to be doing somthing in that one year.

Maybe if they all were secretley communicating and planning to find the Stargate technology so they are prepared should Baal arrive, however they are caught and Daniel is arrested preventing Carter and Cam from doing much more until Baal arrives. It would also add to Daniels reaction when he meets with the president and he asks for their help...

Saying that though I loved Daniels book store scene and phone call and wouldn't want that to go.

I would have liked to have seen more interaction between the normal timeline Daniel and Jack too, I still miss the original team interaction and I think to have that you wouldn't have to get rid of Cam and Vala (whose intereactions with the rest of the team I also enjoy) just put some of the original characters in situations together!

*Really enjoyed Daniel and Cam interaction through out the movie.
*Even the little conversation we got at the beginning between Jack, Daniel and Sam waiting for the extraction reminded me of they old days, I just wanted more of that!
* This was the first time I was confused by the Daniel and Vala interaction (at the end) although I enjoyed their conversation at the beginning, Daniels tone of voice sofening when discussing Baals hosts fate, knowing that this most be affecting Vala.

Really wouldn't change much with the villians, Quetesh was deliciously evil, Teal'c was still great being Teal'c, and (although it made sense) Baals at times reminded me of a Tiger with out his teeth.

[The Great Lord Baal]

There are several things I would change in the movie first off RDA part in the movie it was pretty pointless in the end having him in the movie my own thoughts before hand were that he and ba'al would end duking it out so to speak.The whole Quetesh tthing annoyed me Claudia black played it well I have to say but the idea of Ba'al taking her as his queen annoyed me after all his planning he would be stupid enough to take her as his queen just didnt ring right with me.A little thing like a reference about anubis in the altered timeline would have set my own mind at ease.I would have liked to see kawalski(not sure of the spelling)in the movie just to see him get killed like apophis just a bit of a laugh.