Michael could have the ...

[tombombadil]

When Michael was Becket Clone to work for him, he could've made him give him the gene therapy. that could be how he stole the jumper.

[Amalthea]

Or one of the Athosians had it and s/he piloted it for him.

[P-90_177]

Actually a pretty good theory Tom. It would be good for that to come up at some point. Just think if Michael got his hands on a control chair and a bunch of drones....:eek:

[Xaeden]

Yeah, I'm betting he either got the gene therapy to work on him or one of his minions.

[tombombadil]

Actually a pretty good theory Tom. It would be good for that to come up at some point. Just think if Michael got his hands on a control chair and a bunch of drones....:eek:

yeah....it would suck if he went to The Tower City Ship. even though the drones are gone, he could still get a lot of ancient technologyy which would be bad.

[Lord batchi ball]

I doubt micheal would have brought one of his minions with him , acceptal loses, so I bet Micheal had the therapy since he is somewhat human.

[Xaeden]

yeah....it would suck if he went to The Tower City Ship. even though the drones are gone, he could still get a lot of ancient technologyy which would be bad.

Even without the ATA gene, that city is a huge security risk as it apparently has working or at least semi working Ancient hyperdrives just waiting to be dug up. If he happened to learn about it when on Atlantis (as we know he learned about other information they had on other planets) or he does learn about it in the future, he could have an upgraded fleet of ships that run circles around the Wraith (which would once again change the balance of power in his favor) and/or could get him and others to the Milky Way. In fact, if I were him and I had that technology, I would just share it with all the Wraith in order to get the bulk of them to go the Milky Way where they can battle it out with the Jaffa and Earth while I used my forces to conquer the Pegasus galaxy.

With the ATA gene, meanwhile, he could remove the control chair and use it in a new location along with any drones he might find elsewhere. Best case scenario he has to search the galaxy for some like Atlantis does. Worst case scenario, the Wraith have some lying around from all their encounters with the Ancients and he just needs to steal them. Then all he'd need is a ZPM which a cloaked jumper will help with by allowing him to do to Atlantis what they did to the Asurans. And yeah, nevermind the knowledge he could learn from their database. As we saw in season 1, it doesn't take a ZPM to access it which is very, very bad.


I doubt micheal would have brought one of his minions with him , acceptal loses, so I bet Micheal had the therapy since he is somewhat human.

Saying it's an acceptable loss doesn't mean you always would always leave people behind. It just means in that one situation it's too much to go after them. That phrase wouldn't apply to any hybrids he had near him or he encountered on the way. You'd almost think he would tell the hybrids on the bridge with him to come along just for the sake of security reasons and to help find the jumper quickly. To then leave them behind when it takes no effort to get them to come in the jumper with him (or to not tell them to come along with him when his plan was formulated on the bridge) is not an acceptable loss. It's demented behavior - Before then he was simply thinking stragetically (by worrying about the darts, he would've put his Cruiser in danger of being destroyed).

Plus, if he didn't have the gene it wouldn't necessarily be because of his lack of being fully Human. It could just be that it didn't work on him (we know that Beckett's version was only 48% effective and even if he did improve upon it, chances are it's still not 100%) and so he would've been forced to try it on a minion who he was also forced to bring with him as only the minion could fly him out.

[Dr. Dredd]

Or one of the Athosians had it and s/he piloted it for him.

That would be interesting. In that case, I wonder what would happen if they gave Teyla the gene therapy? Then she'd really have the "special superpowers" that Carson teased her about in The Gift.:teyla: :beckett:

[jenks]

That's not the last we'll see of that jumper ;)

[Ruffles]

That's not the last we'll see of that jumper ;)

Or of Michael. And I agree. I think he had the gene therapy. He's many things, but stupid isn't one of them. If you have the creator of the gene therapy with you for 2 years, you make him give you the one thing that would give you a monstrous advantage over the rest of the Wraith.

[shadowhunter483]

I have a feeling that
Its how he takes over Atlantis in the episode THE PRODIGAL

[Cloudmaster101]

Don't you guys smell another story saying, like Michael learned how to use Atlantean technology, by stealing the puddle jumper in Search and Rescue?

[Xmen583]

Don't you guys smell another story saying, like Michael learned how to use Atlantean technology, by stealing the puddle jumper in Search and Rescue?

That impossible, Michael doesn't has a ancient gene, noone in the galaxy but atlantis team has a gene to control the ancient technology...

[Platschu]

Nothing is impossible in scifi. :D The jumper will return in "The Prodigal". Maybe Michael culled the jumper with a dart. ;)

[NorseGuy]

Could Michael have gotten the ancient gene from the Carson clone? Ha was afterall experimenting with him and Carson have the gene. If he managed to get the gene from Carson he would be able to escape his cruiser with the jumper. He's part human afterall and the gene works on humans.

[AncientLantian]

That impossible, Michael doesn't has a ancient gene, noone in the galaxy but atlantis team has a gene to control the ancient technology...

There are several people outside of the Atlantis team that has the ancient gene. The twin city to Atlantis had several people in the royal family that could use the Ancient technology thats why they didn't like the idea of others having the gene because then it would destroy the power base that the royal family had. Plus the family on the planet that Rodney and John protected the little girl in the forest from the Genii has the gene. There is a good chance that just by feeding on someone who has the gene, may give the wraith the ability to use it. Or maybe one of the Athosians that Michael had taken either was tested on to give Michael the ancient gene, or went with Michael in the missing jumper. Just my conclusions, I would bet my life Michael isn't dead and will be back. ;)

[rens14]

He had beckett for almost 2 years and micheal is not stupid if beckett can make gene therapy than micheal could probably do it too

[jenks]

That impossible, Michael doesn't has a ancient gene, noone in the galaxy but atlantis team has a gene to control the ancient technology...

Doubtful.

[Platschu]

Maybe he discovered it, than culled the jumper with a dart, so he can't use it.

[Joben]

It could be easily explained through changing his genes or him developing an interface. Better yet maybe he has another Beckett clone with him to fly it.

[Thunderbird 2]

I have read the transcript, and I really don't want to get peoples hopes up unfairly, - but what if Michael has the real, original Dr Carson Beckett on ice?

I mean, is it not possible that the Beckett killed in the fireball in Sunday, and the Carson Clone established in Kindred, could both be clones of the orginal Dr Beckett? If Michael is as resourceful as he appears to be, it seems unlikely he would allow the original Dr B to slip through his fingers if he had an opportunity to keep him secured and make a group of "disposable" (his thinking not mine) copies of Dr B for different genetic research sites? If there is a semi sequel brewing, it could be a possible "trojan horse" attack on Atlantis.

I am probably completely wrong here, but does this seem plausable? :beckettanime14:

[jenks]

As far as we know, Michael would have had no opportunity to make the switch. There's no way he would have had the time or resources to create a clone and take the real Beckett with him in the little time he had Carson in Misbegotten.

[usernr1337]

the thing is that we could come up with thousand conspiracy theories and we wouldnt know which one is used by writers... we can dream around what could happen but there is no point in doing that

as joe said "it might be easier to just watch the show"

[Dr. Dredd]

It could be easily explained through changing his genes or him developing an interface. Better yet maybe he has another Beckett clone with him to fly it.

Now that's an interesting idea. Theoretically, Michael could have made many Beckett clones. In fact, maybe the Carson they retrieved is one of the later generation ones, which might explain why he's deteriorating so quickly.

[Cruor]

Well there is a great flaw in your theories about either Michael or one of his minions having piloted the puddle jumper out of there.

Ancient technology has a safeguard against wraith using the more advanced technology, like puddlejumpers, chair etc. all the things that require the mental component to function and remain active. Allready activated simpler technology the wraith can use same as non ATA-gene humans but not the finer things.

Therefore Michael, his minions or even Teyla were she to ever get the ATA-gene , wouldn't be able to pilot a puddlejumper.

So I'm more in favor of him maybe having a Beckett aboard otherwise the writers screwed up again imo if Michael indeed is the one having piloted the jumper away.

[jenks]

Who's to say that Wraith, or more importantly hybrids, can't be given the gene therapy?

[Xaeden]

I don't understand you theory as to why Hybrids and Telya would not be able to use ancient technology if they had the gene. The show has established that the gene is the only requirement for using Ancient tech and it has never once been said that it has the ability to block out the Wraith for extra security. Once one has it there are levels at which they can mentally interface with Ancient technology, but it has nothing to do with mental capacity otherwise Beckett and Mckay wouldn't have such problems. Plus I don't know what that has to do with anything anyway - Telya and the Wraith are not less mentally advanced Earth Humans who were given the gene therapy.

[Infinatus]

I have read the transcript, and I really don't want to get peoples hopes up unfairly, - but what if Michael has the real, original Dr Carson Beckett on ice?

I don't see how that's possible. And, for the record, what makes the original superior to the clone?

[jenks]

I don't see how that's possible. And, for the record, what makes the original superior to the clone?

Michael can't control him, plus he's not (if he were alive) on deaths door.

[RepliVeggie]

I personally think the writers messed up with this one. We know Ancient technology can tell if a person has a gene or not. I think, since the wraith were once human and it is logical to assume at least a few ancients were turned, that the Ancients would put into the system a fail safe that even if the user has the ATA gene the device wouldn't work if any Wraith genes are detected.

[jenks]

I bet it'll be explained later in the season.

[s09119]

That impossible, Michael doesn't has a ancient gene, noone in the galaxy but atlantis team has a gene to control the ancient technology...

Anyone descended from an Alteran has the ATA gene.

[Infinatus]

I personally think the writers messed up with this one. We know Ancient technology can tell if a person has a gene or not. I think, since the wraith were once human and it is logical to assume at least a few ancients were turned, that the Ancients would put into the system a fail safe that even if the user has the ATA gene the device wouldn't work if any Wraith genes are detected.

Well there was the failsafe in Harmony, but other than that I guess they didn't really feel the need to use additional failsafes.

[Xaeden]

I personally think the writers messed up with this one. We know Ancient technology can tell if a person has a gene or not. I think, since the wraith were once human and it is logical to assume at least a few ancients were turned, that the Ancients would put into the system a fail safe that even if the user has the ATA gene the device wouldn't work if any Wraith genes are detected.

The ancestors of the Wraith were not vampires. They did not turn Humans. The iratus bugs absorbed Human DNA when they fed on them and evolved into a hybrid species over time.

[PG15]

Interesting...


Fran writes: “How does an enemy steal a Cloaked Jumper (Search and Rescue), you’d have to have the Gene to fly the thing don’t you?”

Answer: You most certainly would.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/july-16-2008-meetings-book-discussion-and-lazy-dogs/