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Daniel Jackson
June 11th, 2008, 01:07 PM
I don't really post here anymore, so please don't close this thread or simply post a link with 20 pages of posts that I don't have time to read. That said...

What's going on with Season 5? So far, here's what I know: Woolsey is back full time as the leader of Atlantis, Keller's back full time, Carter's back for two or more episodes, Beckett's back for five episodes, Daniel will stop by for two episodes, and Weir's back for one episode. The Wraith will continue to be central villains, and the Asuran survivors from "Be All My Sins Remember'd will more or less be resolved in Weir's episode. Has any of this changed? Are there any other cast changes or SG-1 guest stars that I'm unaware of? Will the Travelers have a larger role this year? Will the Ori Priors/soldiers show up for a special crossover (like how SG-1 did "The Pegasus Project") now that the movie's come to DVD?

Thanks :sheppard:

Osiristi
June 11th, 2008, 01:10 PM
Torri Higginson (Weir) isn't back for any episodes. Her storyline will be completed another way. That's because Torri was upset for dropping her out of the regular cast - she didn't renew her contract as a recurring character anymore.

And I don't think priors/warriors of the ori will show up as they are vanquished. I don't believe the remnants of them, Tomin's people, will show up either.

EDIT: sueKay: I understood she was angry for suddenly just ditching Weir from S04... :S Anyway, no Weir in S05.

sueKay
June 11th, 2008, 01:13 PM
Actually, Torri was happy to remain recurring, as long as it was for the right storyline. She didn't like the storyline TPTB offered her, so she said no.

Daniel Jackson
June 11th, 2008, 01:20 PM
I've read Weir will return for one episode in Season 5. Torri Higginson read the script and didn't like it, so she declined. Instead of writing Weir out of the episode, they recast her. Her new appearance will be explained in the episode. Has this changed? Will this be Weir's only episode?

In regards to Ori Priors and soldiers:
In the movie, the Ark of Truth was used on a Prior to expose the Ori as false gods. This prior then shared this revelation with all of the other priors. They brought the ark back to Earth and did the same for Milky Way. The Ori Priors and soldiers consequently stopped the crusade and left for home. Tomin suggested that their way of life would continue, but with heavy changes. Since all those Ori ships are intact, why not bring some to Pegasus to defend Atlantis from the Wraith? Furthermore, where were they when Atlantis was lost in space and when Earth sent ships to Asuras's doorstep to end things once and for all?

g.o.d
June 11th, 2008, 01:21 PM
In regards to Ori Priors and soldiers:


we won't see them in SGA according to Mallozzi.

Daniel Jackson
June 11th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Why not?

Wouldn't they be Earth's most powerful allies since Earth is soley responsible for exposing the Ori as false gods? Is it too much to ask them to help defend Earth and Atlantis now and then?

g.o.d
June 11th, 2008, 01:26 PM
Why not?

Wouldn't they be Earth's most powerful allies since Earth is soley responsible for exposing the Ori as false gods? Is it too much to ask them to help defend Earth and Atlantis now and then?

SGA TPTB are too lazy. I would like to see them again, but it won't happen

g.o.d
June 11th, 2008, 01:28 PM
form Mallozzi's blog of doom:


David writes: “I was wondering if there is any chance that the Ori, or something they did, will ever effect Atlantis?”

Answer: Definitely no plans to introduce the Ori into Atlantis.

jenks
June 11th, 2008, 01:32 PM
Why not?

Wouldn't they be Earth's most powerful allies since Earth is soley responsible for exposing the Ori as false gods? Is it too much to ask them to help defend Earth and Atlantis now and then?

They just come to the realization that their entire belief system had been a lie, and that they've been killing innocent people for no good reason, plus their whole civilization is in complete disarray, I think the last thing they'll want to be doing is fighting other people's wars for them.

Daniel Jackson
June 11th, 2008, 01:35 PM
Fair enough. Thanks for that, Jenks. :sheppard:

Falcon Horus
June 11th, 2008, 02:59 PM
Torri Higginson read the script and didn't like it, so she declined.

There was no script, only a vague outline.

But on the other stuff, you're pretty much in the loop.

PG15
June 11th, 2008, 03:28 PM
SGA TPTB are too lazy. I would like to see them again, but it won't happen

Or they just want to keep the 2 series separate, storyline wise, as so many whiny fans wanted them to.

Daniel Jackson
June 11th, 2008, 08:14 PM
Making Carter and later Woolsey full-time regulars keeps the show's separate? :confused:

jelgate
June 11th, 2008, 08:25 PM
The Ori followers are in their condition to fight our enemies. Their soceity was centered around Orgin. This means they are in no condition to fight our enemies. Priors are in a limitied supply and are the only ones able to fly the ships

PG15
June 11th, 2008, 08:42 PM
Making Carter and later Woolsey full-time regulars keeps the show's separate? :confused:

That's why I said "storyline wise". Carter's inclusion didn't mean that main storylines from SG1 was followed up on in Atlantis, and I don't think that will happen with Woolsey either. Besides, Woolsey has already made an impact in SGA that, IMHO, makes him a Stargate character, not a SG1 character, if you know what I mean.

The Ori, on the other hand, was a main storyline that was pretty exclusive to SG1 and having them come to Atlantis as recurring (as I read in your post; you seem to want them to be like the Tok'Ra; showing up once in a while to help out) would be too much infusion of SG1 into SGA.

Or it could be jenks's explanation, I don't know.

Daniel Jackson
June 11th, 2008, 09:04 PM
If they want to keep the show's separate, that's fine. I would at least like to see some dialogue on why the Ori Priors can't help out though. :confused: Personally, I don't get why the shows have to be that separate. It was never an issue when Star Trek would have a race of aliens from one show appear on another. Infact, it was expected. Alien races were rarely unique to one show with a few notable exceptions. I just don't see why having Ori Priors in a few Atlantis episodes would be a bad idea. They already did one with a Goa'uld.

g.o.d
June 12th, 2008, 10:35 AM
Or they just want to keep the 2 series separate, storyline wise, as so many whiny fans wanted them to.

I really don't care anymore. RCC once said(when he talked about AoT and ascended) that will never explain some things. I'm not suprised that TPTB won't introduce Ori armies into SGA or even mention them.

I have better shows to watch

jenks
June 12th, 2008, 10:57 AM
I really don't care anymore. RCC once said(when he talked about AoT and ascended) that will never explain some things. I'm not suprised that TPTB won't introduce Ori armies into SGA or even mention them.

I have better shows to watch

So why watch Atlantis at all? Why spend time whining about it on the internet if it's so crap?

g.o.d
June 12th, 2008, 11:00 AM
So why watch Atlantis at all? Why spend time whining about it on the internet if it's so crap?

I've spent almost four years by watching it, at least I want to know how it will end. Plus, my favorite show will air after summer, BSG will air next january (probably) and Caprica? who knows.

there's nothing better than SGA whis summer

talyn2k5
June 12th, 2008, 11:53 AM
If they want to keep the show's separate, that's fine. I would at least like to see some dialogue on why the Ori Priors can't help out though. :confused: Personally, I don't get why the shows have to be that separate. It was never an issue when Star Trek would have a race of aliens from one show appear on another. Infact, it was expected. Alien races were rarely unique to one show with a few notable exceptions. I just don't see why having Ori Priors in a few Atlantis episodes would be a bad idea. They already did one with a Goa'uld.

In Trek, everything was set in the same galaxy so it required no explanation when one series stumbled across a race introduced in another series.
With Stargate, there would have to be a reason for the Ori to turn up. Personally, I think the Ori followers all returned to their galaxy after AoT to sort themselves out and therefore are not available to help us.

Besides, PTB will never win. If they don't bring the Ori in to Atlantis, some people will complain as they think it would be cool for them to turn up. If they do, a much more vocal bunch of fans will accuse them of running out of ideas, ripping off SG-1, etc.

The whole point of AoT was to end the Ori arc, to introduce the Ori in to Atlantis would defeat that point.

Briangate78
June 12th, 2008, 12:04 PM
So why watch Atlantis at all? Why spend time whining about it on the internet if it's so crap?

See, I can understand if someone has a complaint here and there. Like you don't care for Weir and I don't care for say Larrin. Some folks just have nothing postive at all to say. I think it is just time to move on when someone has nothing nice or positive to say about the show. That is just my opinion and no offense to anyone.

With BSG you'll see me complain more. Why? BSG is hyped up to be the best SCI FI show of all time or something like that. The expectations due to multiple media is through the roof. They have more to prove unlike SGA which is just a fun exciting SCI FI/Action/Drama/Adventure/Comic relief show. So when an episode of BSG makes me fall asleep I will be very criticial. Have even been redded on the BSG forum for having an opinion (Ouch I know). When an episode is amazing I will praise it up and down and say BSG is the best show EVAH!!

SGA last season exceeded my expectations. I was surprised with the outcomes with the characters and the direction. This raises the bar, and Season 5 will have to be even bigger and better for me. so my expectations will be higher for Season 5. I have high hopes they will succeed.

In defense to g.o.d. he does have a positive thing to say and is anticipating something next season. That is........ The Asgards

Falcon Horus
June 12th, 2008, 01:39 PM
The whole point of AoT was to end the Ori arc, to introduce the Ori in to Atlantis would defeat that point.

It didn't stop them from introducing the replicators once again.

Arica12
June 12th, 2008, 01:41 PM
It didn't stop them from introducing the replicators once again.

And again....and again

PG15
June 12th, 2008, 01:52 PM
Yeah, but the replicators are inherently pervasive; they can spring up anywhere and any time because of their nature. This is not true with the other enemies since they usually have a finite domain. There is also the fact that dealing with replicators don't require a lot of backstory or exposition. Just blow 'em up.

And the Asurans are not the Milky Way reps (not part of that storyline), whose story ended with Reckoning.

Falcon Horus
June 12th, 2008, 01:56 PM
And the Asurans are not the Milky Way reps (not part of that storyline)...

They walk, talk, replicate and act like replicators... It's easier to use something that you know, than to create something new. A different storyline with the same premise.

They could easily do the same with the Ori, except AoT solved that issue.

PG15
June 12th, 2008, 01:57 PM
I really dislike that argument. Yes, we get it, they're both replicators. That means nothing. How many human enemies have we gotten over the years? Hundreds?!

Falcon Horus
June 12th, 2008, 01:59 PM
That means nothing.

To me, it does. But okay... we shall agree to disagree. :)

Briangate78
June 12th, 2008, 02:01 PM
To me, it does. But okay... we shall agree to disagree. :)

hee hee, I love that phrase. :D

Arica12
June 12th, 2008, 02:05 PM
I really dislike that argument. Yes, we get it, they're both replicators. That means nothing. How many human enemies have we gotten over the years? Hundreds?!

That's all well and good however the main problem with the replicators is that they're boring.

PG15
June 12th, 2008, 02:26 PM
To me, it does. But okay... we shall agree to disagree. :)


That's fine. Though I have to wonder if you have a problem with so many human enemies.

Falcon Horus
June 12th, 2008, 02:46 PM
Though I have to wonder if you have a problem with so many human enemies.

I do.