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SerpentGuard
May 13th, 2008, 06:36 AM
I wonder if the writers will have the midway station re-built, only this time with an Iris for both gates to prevent any hacking into the system...

TBA
May 13th, 2008, 06:49 AM
Probably not, since the reason why the writers destroyed it in the first place was because it made it the team too easy to return to earth. They want to have that 'stranded' feeling again like in season 2, where the only option to go to earth was a two week trip on the Daedalus.

jnolan
May 13th, 2008, 08:38 AM
I think they will rebuild it. They need to be able to get back and forth to earth more quickly than the Daedalus can bus them.

GateMan2000
May 13th, 2008, 08:56 AM
Midway is gone for a long time.

tendomentis
May 13th, 2008, 10:22 AM
I can just imagine the thoughts that went through Caldwell's head when he heard about Midway. The presence of that station took him off of shuttle-bus duty, and with it gone he's going to be captaining the Pegasus-MW ferry yet again.

I'm sure that's EXACTLY what he was hoping for when they told him he'd be commanding one of Earth's battlecruisers.

rens14
May 13th, 2008, 10:41 AM
The ancient weapon on the antarctica has a zpm too so with the ori out of the way they can use is to power the sgc gate

TBA
May 13th, 2008, 11:11 AM
They'd likely keep it there just in case, instead of using it when it's not really needed.

Caldwell seems pretty pissed in Search and Rescue with him being the intergalactic bus-driver again. That part was originally planned to be in the end of season 4, but is now moved to early season 5.

Colonel Eriksen
May 13th, 2008, 11:17 AM
I hope we see a new midway

Amagoul
May 13th, 2008, 04:01 PM
Im sure they will rebuild it eventually but not for a little while.

atlantisguy76
May 13th, 2008, 04:38 PM
I think that Atlantis will need to be in real trouble for them to rebuild the station. The threat of the wraith is much greater than the possible benefits of having the Midway Station in place.

Wouldn't need the space bridge entirely if they could figure out a power supply with endless potential, or perhaps figure out how to construct zpm's.

GoSpikey
May 14th, 2008, 10:12 AM
I think it's been said that the IOA is a bit reluctant about rebuilding it, since it appeared to have been a very effective way for the Wraith to reach Earth, and of course the money invested in that thing that's just gone, now. They're better off with putting it in a new ship, instead.

Raziel
May 14th, 2008, 11:43 AM
Bbuuuu.... pity they're not rebuilding the midway station...
the chapter when was destroyed was awesome though..... hehehehhee....

:indeed::tealc39::tealc39::ronananime01::ronananime16:

Mitchell82
May 14th, 2008, 06:28 PM
I think it's been said that the IOA is a bit reluctant about rebuilding it, since it appeared to have been a very effective way for the Wraith to reach Earth, and of course the money invested in that thing that's just gone, now. They're better off with putting it in a new ship, instead.

Yeah I seriously doubt they will risk rebuilding it.

IrishPisano
May 15th, 2008, 06:41 AM
i would have the Wraith rebuild it...

they know about it... all the MW and PG gates are still in the void btwn galaxies

they have the hack codes, so they can probably figure out the buffer relay program (if they haven't already)

that's what they should do... have the Wraith establish a "Midway Colony"... and slowly and covertly start invading the Milky Way...
all with the goal of invading Earth...

this would set the stage nicely for the last season: the Wraith have all disappeared... ships are abandoned... hives empty... etc etc etc...
then, in the MW, SGC gets word that the entire Wraith civilization has somehow appeared in the MW... and they are, due to their sheer numbers, overrunning the MW.....

this all sets the stage for Earth to finally come under attack, and for Atlantis to return to Antarctica...

Jack_Bauer
May 15th, 2008, 07:19 AM
i would have the Wraith rebuild it...

they know about it... all the MW and PG gates are still in the void btwn galaxies

they have the hack codes, so they can probably figure out the buffer relay program (if they haven't already)

that's what they should do... have the Wraith establish a "Midway Colony"... and slowly and covertly start invading the Milky Way...
all with the goal of invading Earth...

this would set the stage nicely for the last season: the Wraith have all disappeared... ships are abandoned... hives empty... etc etc etc...
then, in the MW, SGC gets word that the entire Wraith civilization has somehow appeared in the MW... and they are, due to their sheer numbers, overrunning the MW.....

this all sets the stage for Earth to finally come under attack, and for Atlantis to return to Antarctica...

Elaborate! I would give you green for that but i have dealt too much out in the last 24 hours! It would be awesome to see Atlantis return to Earth, although this would probably ,mean the revealing of the Stargate Program! I dont know tho, Teyla would probably kick up a fuss, saying that Atlanits is sacred to the PG human civilizations...

TBA
May 15th, 2008, 07:40 AM
Keep in mind tho that it's not the Wraith that destroyed the Midway station, but the writers of the episode ;) . So why'd they rebuild it?

IrishPisano
May 15th, 2008, 07:59 AM
Elaborate! I would give you green for that but i have dealt too much out in the last 24 hours! It would be awesome to see Atlantis return to Earth, although this would probably ,mean the revealing of the Stargate Program! I dont know tho, Teyla would probably kick up a fuss, saying that Atlanits is sacred to the PG human civilizations...

good thought on Teyla!...

the Wraith build their own Midway... so they can invade the Milky Way and eventually Earth...

i've always thought that SGA should end with Atlantis returning to Earth... and the closing shot being of Jack O'Neill addressing the world from Stargate Base Command, Atlantis, Antarctica...

i also think that bring the show into the Milky Way for the last few episodes of the series, would be a great way to make the finale more epic, and more SG1-esque, and thus, imho, better... than if they stayed in Pegasus... staying in Pegasus would just keep it, to me, as a run-of-the-mill scifi show... bringing it to the milky way and earth would return SGA to its roots: SG1, earth, and the modern-day... (it just doesn't seem like the modern day in PG... seems like the future to me)

the only problem with the entire Wraith civilization - queens and all - relocating to the Milky Way is exposure... if they were smart, and the writers can make them smart, they'd have to send out scouts... maybe have Michael perfect his cloning so they can use human scouts instead of wraith... after all, the Wraith's goal would be to become strong enough to overpower earth... but show their hand too soon, and they'd be wiped out... don't forget they'd have to deal with Earth and the Jaffa...

so they send out Michael's clone scouts who do recon work in the MW far away from earth... and find a suitable planet to gate the civilization to... one that's unpopulated and isolated and otherwise presumably ignored by earth...

once there, they build their own iris over the gate, thus preventing SGC from gating in...

in the meantime, thanks to Dr. CloneBeckett and Michael's work, they've perfect a Wraith reverse-retro virus... capable of converting those infected into Wraith - great way to build numbers...

then they proceed to start attacking worlds that are unguarded by Earth and the Jaffa... they send through entire armies to the planets, to overrun the populations... half are taken for food, the other half are converted to wraith

their expansion rate becomes exponential, and within two months they have reached the point where they have enough armies to start openly engaging the Jaffa while they finish up building new, stronger hive ships... with shields :)

by the time Atlantis realizes that the Wraith are gone, and McKay finds the Wraith buffer relay code, and thus the Wraith Midway... the Wraith have their entire fleet operational and have begun to overrun the Jaffa... forcing them to contact Earth for help...

once word of this reaches the IOA, 3 teams of Navy SEALs and General Caldwell arrive in Atlantis... Caldwell is given command of Atlantis with 1 mission: acquire as many ZPMs as possible in 2 weeks, at any cost (which is what the SEALs are for) and then return Atlantis to Earth to protect it from the impending Wraith invasion...
the SEALs have gone back through SGA's mission reports and start locating ZPMs... and acquire them, much to the chagrin of Teyla, McKay, Keller, and others (recall that some ZPMs were used to protect planets, etc...)...
Teyla becomes increasingly dissatisfied with Caldwell and Sheppard who's now Caldwell's XO and actually toting the military line for once, and the IOA... she feels that Atlantis is betraying the entire PG galaxy by leaving, and leaves Atlantis...

Atlantis fires up the Star Drive and returns to Antarctica...
the return of Atlantis activates a previously undetected ancient metropolis beneath the ice (maybe shifted out of phase for its protection)... complete with a vast supply of drones, and a couple of Aurora class battlecruisers...

Sheppard mans the Atlantis chair while the entire Earthen Space Fleet (complete with the new Auroras) take up station around the solar system in order to ward off the invasion...

all the while, the civilians of Atlantis are continually fighting Caldwell and his new policies (ZPM acquisition... the establishment of martial law in Atlantis... and... the DRAFTING of the entire Atlantis expedition into US Military service... thanks to a super-fine print clause in their contracts)... Ronon finds himself caught in the middle of fighting the Wraith and having abandonded Teyla and the PG...

Then the war begins...

The Earth fleet under the command of General Caldwell coupled with the remaining Free Jaffa fleet under Teal'C's command engage the Wraith fleet while ground battles ensue as well...

Mitchell joins the foray as either a fighter pilot or commander of one of the Auroras...

Sheppard is running the Atlantis chair

while General O'Neill oversees everything from Atlantis...

(Daniel somehow figures into things... don't worry)


in the end, the SGC and IOA cannot hide the invasion, and thus the entire Earth is made aware of it...

the closing shot, as i said, is of O'Neill and Daniel announcing the existence of the Stargate program from Base Command, Atlantis


it'd be a season-long arc dealing with several themes
1. The classic Atlantis one: civilians vs military
2. Teyla feeling her people and the PG galaxy are being betrayed by Atlantis - who's to say the entire wraith population is gone and what of the Genii?... Caldwell's response: learn to defend yourselves, we have our own world to defend... and you have to admit, he's got a point...
3. Self-defense.... but at what cost? The guaranteed destruction of some worlds due to the loss of their ZPMs, etc...
etc

IrishPisano
May 15th, 2008, 08:19 AM
add to all of that, the appearance of a few Ancients in Atlantis...

they have broken their vow and entered our plane to prevent the transference of their city back to Earth...

ah, this is where Daniel gets involved...

Daniel is dispatched by O'Neill to negotiate with the Ancients to get them to stay out of the way...

the Ancients do not want their people in Pegasus abandoned... and prepare for an attack on Atlantis to prevent their departure...

in the end Daniel says something to the effect of:

Your assistance against the Ori was desparately needed, and you refused, resulting in the destruction of numerous worlds.
Your creation of the Asurans and thus the Replicators has led to the extinction of the Asgard.
You abandoned your people in the Milky Way and the Pegasus galaxies out of fear... fear of the Wraith... and fear of the Ori...
You abandoned all rights to this city millions of years ago...
We found it, and we have used it to achieve things you were never able to, and to clean up your messes...

We defeated the Goa'uld
We defeated the Asurans
We defeated the Ori
We defeated the Replicators

Do not make us defeat you as well...

If you continue to interfere, we will engage and defeat you... You abandoned this city, like you abandoned us... and only now that it is lost to you do you desire to have it...

We asked for your alliance and you refused... While we may not have developed technology on our own like you did, we have undeniably proven ourselves far more capable than you in all other aspects...
The city is ours now... The galaxy is ours... we no longer need your assistance... we are no longer your children... this is the dawn of OUR age in the universe...

We will not engage you unless provoked... but you are no longer welcome in Atlantis...

(this would be great... esp the "dawn of OUR age"... good seguey (sp?) to SGU)

i should go write for SG

Jack_Bauer
May 15th, 2008, 05:14 PM
^^^^^ lol u should go write for stargate!:D

That would be the best story arc of either series IMO, while some would disagree with the moving of Atlantis to MW and abondoning the PG humans, I think I would enjoy it. Coupled with some classic military hardline policies, classic SG1. Remember when Daniel used to complain about the military taking control of everything lol, and McKay always complaining about Sheppard's 'blow-it-up' attitude.

Although I think Daniel would be against most of this because of his morals and Jack would need to force him to confront the Ancients like you mentioned above (great speech by the way, it would give the Ancients something to think about!).

IMO this would give a great send off to SG1 as well as SGA, I noticed you included most characters & i'm sure Landry would feature there, as well as Sam helping to get the ancient ships online.

It would be one massive final episode thats for sure!!!!!!!

Well done!

IrishPisano
May 15th, 2008, 05:35 PM
thank you... please contact TPTB and let them know i have their finale

:)

Landry and Mitchell would be reduced to cameos...

Caldwell would be running the fleet
and O'Neill Atlantis...
no real need for Landry...

as for Carter... well i haven't worked everything out yet... maybe she'll finally marry jack... i'unno....

Cephalus
May 15th, 2008, 07:22 PM
lol WTF

maylet
May 15th, 2008, 07:31 PM
I think they should have it back, but of course with Iris on both gates this time

Merlin1701
May 16th, 2008, 07:20 AM
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It would be a benefit to have it but with Wraith numbers increasing and the potential threat of new foes as well as the return of the Asurans financially and tactically building more ships would be of more benefit!

I believe the show needs more dynamics form other countries working under a US lead task force.

IrishPisano
May 16th, 2008, 07:27 AM
POSSIBLE SPOILERS!!!!!

It would be a benefit to have it but with Wraith numbers increasing and the potential threat of new foes as well as the return of the Asurans financially and tactically building more ships would be of more benefit!

I believe the show needs more dynamics form other countries working under a US lead task force.

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no more Asurans...

I think Ark of Truth was a nice swan song for the Replicators...

but quite frankly, i'm sick of them...

when the Asurans are on the show, the Wraith are pretty much forgotten about...

are the Wraith our enemies, our allies, or neutral?

they're enemies when the Asurans are not on the show
allies when the Asurans are on the show
and neutral when the Asurans are lurking in the background of an episode

i think SGA needs to pick 1 villain and go with it for the rest of the show
and stop JohnKerry-ing with the Wraith...

now that Michael's back and more or less a sworn enemy...... if the Asurans come back as the main baddy, that's going to push Michael into the background

i'm convinced TPTB of SGA don't have a clue how to write the show anymore...

GoSpikey
May 16th, 2008, 02:28 PM
i would have the Wraith rebuild it...

they know about it... all the MW and PG gates are still in the void btwn galaxies

Remember a few things. The Wraith have very bad hyperdrives - interstellar, not intergalactic ones. They would need to travel for a really long time - they make jumps - to get to the location for Midway - and they need to get there because they don't have the crystal not the energy required for intergalactic gate traveling. It would also mean they'd have to have food nearby for a long time, just as long as it takes to rebuild that Station over there - which they probably don't have, either.

That one Hive that lay at about the beginning of the McKay-Carter Intergalactic Gate Bridge lost their Queen (Spoils of War) and their Commander (Midway) to the Lanteans. Trying even more things against them would be stupid. Plus they don't know the location of Earth, probably. Only the Wraith present in Midway would, and as you know, that went 'boom' big time.

IrishPisano
May 18th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Remember a few things. The Wraith have very bad hyperdrives - interstellar, not intergalactic ones. They would need to travel for a really long time - they make jumps - to get to the location for Midway - and they need to get there because they don't have the crystal not the energy required for intergalactic gate traveling. It would also mean they'd have to have food nearby for a long time, just as long as it takes to rebuild that Station over there - which they probably don't have, either.

That one Hive that lay at about the beginning of the McKay-Carter Intergalactic Gate Bridge lost their Queen (Spoils of War) and their Commander (Midway) to the Lanteans. Trying even more things against them would be stupid. Plus they don't know the location of Earth, probably. Only the Wraith present in Midway would, and as you know, that went 'boom' big time.

1. one need not know the exact position of earth to find it... one only need know what galaxy it is in

2. they can always improve their hyperdrive technology... kidnap and torture members of the atlantis expedition... find ford and promise him a LOT of enzyme in exchange for info gathered from infiltrating atlatis again... or they find a way to tap into atlantis's computers again... or they left an undetected subspace wireless backdoor virus on the system...

everything you pointed out is very easily overcome with writing....

JohnDuh
May 21st, 2008, 06:13 AM
I wonder if the writers will have the midway station re-built, only this time with an Iris for both gates to prevent any hacking into the system...

Midway stations 1, 2 and 3 were destroyed!

Midway station 4 disappared on the day it became operational!

But Midway station 5 will last forever!




Probably not, since the reason why the writers destroyed it in the first place was because it made it the team too easy to return to earth.

Sounds like an excuse to cover up lack of ability. Like they always whine about the transporter.

Merlin1701
May 21st, 2008, 09:21 AM
LOL!

Midway Station 5 was a dream given form, a dream without war, where species from different galaxies could live side by side in mutual respect. A dream that was in danger as never before by the arrival of one man on a mission of destruction.

Midway Station 5 was the last of the Midway stations. This is its story.

Metonic
May 22nd, 2008, 02:17 PM
they have to rebuild it.. They already have the gates set up. Its simply throwing a space station in there. Ofcourse if they do rebuild it, I'm sure itll be alot bigger, and essentially just be a space ship.

jenks
May 22nd, 2008, 03:16 PM
They won't rebuild it, at least not for quite a while. The writers got rid of it for a reason.

Metonic
May 22nd, 2008, 03:25 PM
They won't rebuild it, at least not for quite a while. The writers got rid of it for a reason.

reason being.. they want to make them stranded? That doesn't exactly work and is kind of old.

Jumper_One
May 22nd, 2008, 03:29 PM
reason being.. they want to make them stranded? That doesn't exactly work and is kind of old.


Thornyrose writes: Will we see the Atlantis expedition become more isolated from Earth?

Answer: With the ships at Earth’s disposal, it’s almost impossible to isolate them completely.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/may-19-2008-the-blade-itself/

jenks
May 22nd, 2008, 03:37 PM
reason being.. they want to make them stranded? That doesn't exactly work and is kind of old.

Huh? No it's not. At least now they are stranded to an extent, in other words they're stranded when the writers need them to be. If a problem can be solved too easily by a ship then they say they don't have one in the galaxy at the moment, or they can say that it won't be here for a day or something, then they've got themselves a ticking clock. Things are much better now from a story telling point of view.

kymeric
May 22nd, 2008, 03:40 PM
Just use the Tria its already there. Its huge its heavily armed, it can move out of range of either galaxies network easily with its slower hyperdrive but it dosent have the super hyperdrive that would let it get to earth.

Atlantis is the first line of defense from the wraith/replicators/anything else pegasus, the Tria would be the second and the Antartic outpost is the very last line of defense.

Really all they need to do is drop off 2 gates there, fix the hyperdrive and man the ship. I suggest putting the gates in a big room you can blow them out an airlock this time tho ^.^

Metonic
May 22nd, 2008, 03:45 PM
Huh? No it's not. At least now they are stranded to an extent, in other words they're stranded when the writers need them to be. If a problem can be solved too easily by a ship then they say they don't have one in the galaxy at the moment, or they can say that it won't be here for a day or something, then they've got themselves a ticking clock. Things are much better now from a story telling point of view.

things are much more annoying from a viewer point of view.

jenks
May 22nd, 2008, 03:52 PM
How so?

IrishPisano
May 22nd, 2008, 03:56 PM
honestly, the bridge was a stupid idea... too much of a risk...

in fact the bridge becomes obsolete and even more useless if Atlantis has a ZPM...

so within the context of the show, the money the IOA would set aside for another bridge would be better spent researching, searching for, and finding a ZPM...

the Bridge opens a liability, as we've seen, decreasing our defense
the ZPM opens a safe doorway to earth AND INCREASES our defenses...

so if you had a choice... IGB or ZPM?

Metonic
May 22nd, 2008, 10:46 PM
How so?

"Oh yay we're connected to Earth! WOOO HAPPY MEALS!"
"Oh MAN, <insert event> were on our own"

"Oh yay we're connected to Earth again woot! KEG PARTY!"
"Oh man, <Insert event> were stranded with no way to contact earth."

"Oh yeah we have a 18 day inconvience to earth wooo"
"Oh man, <insert event> we've been cut off."

"Oh yeah I'm going to earth for some pizza!"
"oh man <insert event> has caused the Daedalus to be a week away."

"Oh yeah we have contact with earth!"
"Oh its gone again!"


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It's annoying. They need to make up their minds are they stranded or are they not. They blew up the bridge to make it appear they are stranded yet cast changes are going to happen, guest appearances from SGC members will happen.

There's no point in having them stranded. and its annoying that every season they seem to be cut off 2 or 3 times.

PG15
May 23rd, 2008, 12:35 AM
With Midway they'd be connected ALL THE TIME. Getting rid of it means there's times when we are truly stranded (or at least, help won't come; we can always evacuate to Earth though), which creates drama and stuff.

jenks
May 25th, 2008, 09:46 AM
"Oh yay we're connected to Earth! WOOO HAPPY MEALS!"
"Oh MAN, <insert event> were on our own"

"Oh yay we're connected to Earth again woot! KEG PARTY!"
"Oh man, <Insert event> were stranded with no way to contact earth."

"Oh yeah we have a 18 day inconvience to earth wooo"
"Oh man, <insert event> we've been cut off."

"Oh yeah I'm going to earth for some pizza!"
"oh man <insert event> has caused the Daedalus to be a week away."

"Oh yeah we have contact with earth!"
"Oh its gone again!"


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It's annoying. They need to make up their minds are they stranded or are they not. They blew up the bridge to make it appear they are stranded yet cast changes are going to happen, guest appearances from SGC members will happen.

There's no point in having them stranded. and its annoying that every season they seem to be cut off 2 or 3 times.

Of course there is, some stories call for it.

Merlin1701
May 25th, 2008, 11:01 AM
If you’re that unhappy about the lack of a station think of a way to rebuild it that would give it a handicap, enabling its continued use without damaging the dynamic of the show.

Merlin1701
May 25th, 2008, 11:09 AM
Personally I think they should just carry a gate in a mammoth ship, just add more ships to the equation. Imagine a small fleet docked at Atlantis, plus more personal relationships from ship crew and Atlantis staff.

Metonic
May 25th, 2008, 09:54 PM
As I've said earlier in THIS VERY TOPIC.
Essentially give them a space ship for Midway.

...as for the "if the story calls for it" comment.....
It's the same story. We're stranded, oh no we're fine. That was fine in season 1. And it could of been ok, when Atlantis got lost in space. When every other episode all they do is say, Well the Daedalus isn't hear, the apollo is being repaired, or some BS excuse for it missing. Its old. As a matter of fact THEY AREN'T STRANDED, at anytime they can dial earth and leave.

What i hate more than the "We're stranded and can't go anywhere without a 304" is when they take the 8 hour journey(which we see 30 seconds of) in Puddle Jumpers. Why cant they stick them on the Daedalus instead? That way, the bathroom situation MAKES SENSE lol.

anyway, one of the reasons I don't like Atlantis as much as I did is because of the whole stranded feeling, well lack thereof. They say their stranded, but they know their not. Atlantis wouldn't be stranded more than a month with our ships out there.

Merlin1701
May 29th, 2008, 08:58 AM
It's the same story. We're stranded, oh no we're fine. That was fine in season 1. And it could of been ok, when Atlantis got lost in space. When every other episode all they do is say, Well the Daedalus isn't hear, the apollo is being repaired, or some BS excuse for it missing. Its old. As a matter of fact THEY AREN'T STRANDED, at anytime they can dial earth and leave.

What i hate more than the "We're stranded and can't go anywhere without a 304" is when they take the 8 hour journey(which we see 30 seconds of) in Puddle Jumpers. Why cant they stick them on the Daedalus instead? That way, the bathroom situation MAKES SENSE lol.

anyway, one of the reasons I don't like Atlantis as much as I did is because of the whole stranded feeling, well lack thereof. They say their stranded, but they know their not. Atlantis wouldn't be stranded more than a month with our ships out there.

Metonic = angry!