Gate Question

[Sparki101]

Help! I'm confused. :S

How many gates are there on Earth? There's the Giza gate, the Antartic gate and the Russian Gate. Are there actually three gates or are the Antartic and Russian gates the same one? What happened to each of them?

Thanks
Sparki

[bcmilco]

There are two Gates...

The first Gate was found in Giza and used in the SGC until it was beamed aboard the Bilistner (sp) in Nemesis it was then found by the Russians and they had it until Redemption were the U.S. is now leasing it from the Russians.

The second Gate was found in the Arctic moved to Area 51 used by the rogue NID until it was sealed by Gen. Hammonds Orders. When the First Gate was lost in Nemesis the second gate was brough out of storage and used up until the events of Redeption where it was destroyed by Anubis.

[ShadowMaat]

Don't forget, the "one shot" gate built by Orlin still technically counts as a gate. Or at least, I've seen Earth's gate count listed as "three" in a couple of places and that's why. I've heard it's in storage at Area 51. Wonder if they'd ever find a way to use it again. Might be nice to lug around your own semi-portable gate. "In case of emergency..." ;)

[Teal'c]

Don't forget, the "one shot" gate built by Orlin still technically counts as a gate. Or at least, I've seen Earth's gate count listed as "three" in a couple of places and that's why. I've heard it's in storage at Area 51. Wonder if they'd ever find a way to use it again. Might be nice to lug around your own semi-portable gate. "In case of emergency..." ;)
Or as a prank... dial up a Goa'uld planet, walk up to someone you don't like, and drop it on them... :D

[Anubis]

ShadowMaat

Don't forget, the "one shot" gate built by Orlin still technically counts as a gate. Or at least, I've seen Earth's gate count listed as "three" in a couple of places and that's why. I've heard it's in storage at Area 51. Wonder if they'd ever find a way to use it again. Might be nice to lug around your own semi-portable gate. "In case of emergency..." ;)


I liked Orlin's gate. I wonder why the SGC never tried to duplicate what he made. Everything he used was Earth material and all they had to do was see what substances he purchased with Carter's money, study the minature gate and build their own version. Perhaps Earth would even become smart enough to build their very own gate network! lol

[ShadowMaat]

I liked Orlin's gate. I wonder why the SGC never tried to duplicate what he made.

Maybe that's what they're trying to figure out at Area 51.

Maybe they're using the wrong brand of toaster... ;)

[Anubis]

Yes, perhaps they need a older model toaster! lol One that uses less power and that toasts very slowly

[Penance]

we dont even know if carter said in her debreifing that a toaster was used... now THAT would confuse those in A51...

[KokiriChild]

... and there was the government thinking it was a piece of alien technology. Finally, they've found a weapon to defeat the Goa'uld!

[thor39]

And it's not round any grey with symbols ll over it :D

[KokiriChild]

And it's not round any grey with symbols ll over it :D
Toaster Dialing Sequence: Temperature, No. of Sides to be Toasted, Estimated Time of Toast Needing, Bagels/Bread or poptarts, white or brown, toastiness

Point of Origin: Breadbin

[Thoth]

I've always wondered about those gates. The Tollan made a samller one also.

Surely when they come out the other side they should be huge. They're in sub-space or wherever they go during transport. They are re-intergrated by the gate. So, surely they should be re-intergrated according to the size ratio of the gate. Since most of the gates are exactly the same size, they would always be the same size. But, Sam could hardly fit thru Orlin's gate, so she should hardly be able to fit through the other one aswell.

If not, where does she emmerge. The Centre, bottom, top? And if you dial up a smaller gate like the Tollan's and send something through in a section that isn't covered by the smaller gate, where does it go?

[DATR]

I've always wondered why were there two gates on Earth. You would think the ancients might have made it so you could use more than one gate on a planet. If you have to specify a point of origin would it not be possible to operate two gates on a planet with two different points of origin? Of course the problem would be dialing to it but you would thing that the point of origin would somehow be represented in the first six chevrons.

I also don't completly understand the dialing system. Has anyone figured out what each symbol means as in is it a cordinate or does each one relate to a certain quadrant then section and solar system and so on?

[KokiriChild]

The symbols are star constellations as you look into the night sky on the "planet of origin", so from earth to get to abydos you'd need a position in between orion and the north star, so using all 6 symbols you first find orion's belt, then you find the north star symbol etc etc. the gates are supposed to look different on other planets because the stars would change at night. The movie explains it better than I can.

[DATR]

Ah I see thank you, I haven't watched the movie ina long time and so probably frgt about that. I thought I remembered reading in another thread though that the series changed this after the producers realised that it would never be possible to do some part of it.

Also how do they know what to dial when there on another planet then? If the star concelations change then so would the adress each time so wouldn't they have to spend at least one day there to see over night what they would have to dial and i'm sure i've seen episodes where this is not the case or they have been unconchios theough out the night? Also they would need to know where Earth would be in the night sky wouldn't they? The only explanation I could think of would be that at the SGC they have some sort of pretty powerful computer which can virtually recreate star concelations how they would look on other planets but this of course would have bugs as a planet on the other side of the galaxy may contain a cluster of stars which we haven't seen yet because light from them has yet to reach us essentially trapping that team on that planet.

[KokiriChild]

Ah I see thank you, I haven't watched the movie ina long time and so probably frgt about that. I thought I remembered reading in another thread though that the series changed this after the producers realised that it would never be possible to do some part of it.

Also how do they know what to dial when there on another planet then? If the star concelations change then so would the adress each time so wouldn't they have to spend at least one day there to see over night what they would have to dial and i'm sure i've seen episodes where this is not the case or they have been unconchios theough out the night? Also they would need to know where Earth would be in the night sky wouldn't they? The only explanation I could think of would be that at the SGC they have some sort of pretty powerful computer which can virtually recreate star concelations how they would look on other planets but this of course would have bugs as a planet on the other side of the galaxy may contain a cluster of stars which we haven't seen yet because light from them has yet to reach us essentially trapping that team on that planet.
Welcome to my "Red Chevrons" catagory

Brief history of RC: A catagory me and my friends made up for those little "unexplainables" about Stargate, sparked by watching the first episode and saying "Oooh, where'd the red chevrons come from?" Things in this catagory include differences in sybols on gates, different effects used in the series (why do we never see the vortex at the back of the gate?) Why is Abydos in the movie the located at the furthest point on the edge of the known universe, whereas in the series it's the closest planet to earth which is why stellar drift doesn't affect the gates networking abilities.

Another note: They don't look at thy skky to pinpoint their way home, they already know the co-ordinates, but just how they obtain them is beyond anything I'll understand as in the movie each gate has different symbols and in the series each gate has the same, meaning that in the movie you need to take a "cube of reference" for where the planet lies whereas in the series each planet has the same symbols on their gate and so is designated a combination.

[DATR]

I would guess they don't have the vortex on both sides because the gate was only meant to be entered through one way. There was a discussion that stated that if you went through the wrong way you would either die or be thrown through it. Why it only works one way I can only think of two possible reasons for.

One we know the wormhole doesn't actually break the material down but the stargate does then sends it as information as energy through the wormhole where another gate rebuilds the matter. So I did hypothasize on a certain way the gate may do this in another thread and it may jsut be that the Ancients couldn't be bothered making it so that whatever the gate does do would do it on both sides. They probably felt that people could walk round the other side. :P Quite ironic that they expect other people not to be lazy to make up for there own laziness if that theory were true.

Two, would be that the event horizon you see is the actual event horizon and that there may be a very small energy field (maybe) infront of it which is what breaks down and reintergrates matter and then passes through the wormhole. Assuming a wormhole is a rip in space it seems likely that it would only be accessable through one side of it which is why the other side doesn't get used.

So because the other side of the gate isn't used and there is nothing there explains why there would be no vortex there.

As for the red chevrons, don't they change again in Atlantis or soemthing? Because of a newer version of the stargate? Maybe Earth upgraded between the film adn sereis 1. :P

Thank you for trying Stargate 1.2 now with red chevrons!

[KokiriChild]

I would guess they don't have the vortex on both sides because the gate was only meant to be entered through one way. There was a discussion that stated that if you went through the wrong way you would either die or be thrown through it. Why it only works one way I can only think of two possible reasons for.

One we know the wormhole doesn't actually break the material down but the stargate does then sends it as information as energy through the wormhole where another gate rebuilds the matter. So I did hypothasize on a certain way the gate may do this in another thread and it may jsut be that the Ancients couldn't be bothered making it so that whatever the gate does do would do it on both sides. They probably felt that people could walk round the other side. :P Quite ironic that they expect other people not to be lazy to make up for there own laziness if that theory were true.

Two, would be that the event horizon you see is the actual event horizon and that there may be a very small energy field (maybe) infront of it which is what breaks down and reintergrates matter and then passes through the wormhole. Assuming a wormhole is a rip in space it seems likely that it would only be accessable through one side of it which is why the other side doesn't get used.

So because the other side of the gate isn't used and there is nothing there explains why there would be no vortex there.

As for the red chevrons, don't they change again in Atlantis or soemthing? Because of a newer version of the stargate? Maybe Earth upgraded between the film adn sereis 1. :P

Thank you for trying Stargate 1.2 now with red chevrons!
In response to the rear vortex, if you watch the movie when they dial the gate initially you see th front vortex explosion and return to the gate, now in teh series it's then safe to walk through, in the movie the vortex went back through the gate and created a rear vortex, kinda like a whirlpool coming out the arse end... see screenshots.

http://www.standrewsplayers.org.uk/frontvortex.jpg

http://www.standrewsplayers.org.uk/midvortex.jpg

http://www.standrewsplayers.org.uk/rearvortex.jpg

[DATR]

kinda like a whirlpool coming out the arse

Oh now it makes sense... :P

But yeah I know what you mean now.

Stargate 1.2 now with red chevrons and 90% less arse whirlpools! :P

[KokiriChild]

Oh now it makes sense... :P

But yeah I know what you mean now.

Stargate 1.2 now with red chevrons and 90% less arse whirlpools! :PLMAO! Ahh man, 5 mins of crying later!!! You are too funny... you're officially winning my Seal of Apporval... *hands DATR a live Seal*

Stargate 1.2 also has a "shakes like plastic when chevrons are locking on" feature, not originally seen on SG1.0, along with the "no longer shiney" properties

It's a good job they didn't upgrade to Stargate98 Second Edition, I hear that thing makes your wormhole sunstable.

Edit Thinking about it, maybe they upgraded to StargateXP, it's essentially the same as it's predecessor, just better colours and more chunky

[Col_Lake]

Actually the movie effect show wormhole theory pretty well.

High energy punching a hole through space (whoosh) creating a vortex type thing (teh newly dubbed arse whirlpools)

[KokiriChild]

Actually the movie effect show wormhole theory pretty well.

High energy punching a hole through space (whoosh) creating a vortex type thing (teh newly dubbed arse whirlpools)
yes, but the arse whrilpools are only temporary, I was just wandering why they never shown these in the series as well, it would've added just another layer of "realism" to the whole show

[Greesha]

IMHO, the back whirlpool thingee wasn't used in the series b/c it's too long. it was expensive enough to create the effect one way.

but that's just me.

[KokiriChild]

Yeah, I suppose so, but even if it was only used the once in CotG, it'd... I dunno, kinda like, give the series a more defined kick - that's the main bit of the movie I liked, the Stargate being first activated.

[GuyFromOH]

I liked Orlin's gate. I wonder why the SGC never tried to duplicate what he made. Everything he used was Earth material and all they had to do was see what substances he purchased with Carter's money, study the minature gate and build their own version. Perhaps Earth would even become smart enough to build their very own gate network! lol

Maybe it really was a one-shot deal, like a disposable camera or an alkaline battery, maybe when the wormhole engaged, it fused the working parts of the gate that rendered them unusable and irreproducible/unrecognizable. A stargate is more than just a bunch of metal in the right shape, there certainly had to be some pretty advanced technology embedded within, all of which may have been destroyed when the wormhole was established.

[Anubis]

Everything that Orlin built the gate with was ordered on the Internet with Sam's credit card. So they could just use the order, scan the gate and start building a replica. Of course, there is the cost and the no end number of times they would probably fail