What character should go?

[Reiko]

Carson!Clone is not on the list, but I'm not really wanting to vote anyone off the island, so I won't add him. But I will add his makeup artist.

» Yes, please. And the hair? I want the only hair back, plzthx. :o

[Arithmetica]

I voted Woolsey (x Yet I think season 5 can give him a chance to turn around and not be so aggravating :P It is kind of nice he's been given a bigger role and may make things a bit more interesting for the show now.

Dr. Jennifer Keller - Her character is a little dull and I think the reason she is given so much screen time is to be eye candy. She's not bad though and I think it would be difficult for them to write her off at this point. (Unless they give her a weak write off like Ford.) Hopefully season 5 helps shapes her character into something a little more interesting then it is now.

Larrin - I think I should of voted for her, hopefully she just doesn't show up again or stays as a very minor character. She can be easily forgotten if she is written off.

[Lenas]

*Weeeee*
95, my new lucky number!!:)

[Arica15]

*Weeeee*
95, my new lucky number!!:)

Oh we can do better than that ;)

[Integrabyte]

Show us :P.

[Klenotka]

I so hoped that Teyla might have decided to leave the team in the last episode :( It would make sense. But no, she had to stay. I can see at most of Czech forums a big disappointment :D
I don´t think they can fix that character for me. She could stop saying her obvious statements and learn to make some third face expression (so far, she switches only between two) but I still wouldn´t change my opinion.

[Cautious Explorer]

I so hoped that Teyla might have decided to leave the team in the last episode :( It would make sense. But no, she had to stay. I can see at most of Czech forums a big disappointment :D
I don´t think they can fix that character for me. She could stop saying her obvious statements and learn to make some third face expression (so far, she switches only between two) but I still wouldn´t change my opinion.

I was hoping they would kill off Season 4 Teyla. I'd agree that she had only a few modes: worried; ticked off; stoic. Would it kill them to let her have a sense of humor, or come up with some save-the-day ideas (I guess her thought processes were also affected by the pregnancy :(). Now for Season 5 they've added happy mommy. Not something I'm excited to see.

I want Season 1-3 Teyla back: The one who stood up for her people, slugged Bates, beat Sheppard at stick fighting, and even smiled on occasion (other than to coo at a baby). If they don't ditch baby and Kanaan soon, I may actually be agreeing with you that Teyla should go.

Until then, my vote's still on the hideous Keller. I can't figure out why they want to take an appealing actress like Jewel and turn her into a such an annoying character.

[g.o.d]

i so hoped that teyla might have decided to leave the team in the last episode :( it would make sense. But no, she had to stay. I can see at most of czech forums a big disappointment :d
i don´t think they can fix that character for me. She could stop saying her obvious statements and learn to make some third face expression (so far, she switches only between two) but i still wouldn´t change my opinion.

where are my people????????!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[x303]

teyla was meant to be the teal'c of SGA but ronan had to ocme in n make.

kellar cud add some sexual tension between ronan and mckay

shepherd is the bets at usin lantean tech and its good jokes with him,rodney and ronan. they make it funny.

zelenka is needed to cameo with rodney on the tech stuff

ronan is teh teal'c and mad jokes with rodney n shepherd.

woolsey may eventually go but its to predictable

lorne and larrin and regualr enough for it to b a good impact

[Reiko]

But no, she had to stay. I can see at most of Czech forums a big disappointment :D

» LOL. :P It does seem that a lot of Czechs hate Teyla :D


where are my people????????!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

» Which people? Teyla's people or your Teyla-hating Czech people? :P:o

[g.o.d]

» LOL. :P It does seem that a lot of Czechs hate Teyla :D



» Which people? Teyla's people or your Teyla-hating Czech people? :P:o

Teyla's annoying villagers

[Falcon Horus]

Teyla's annoying villagers

And all those other annoying villagers in the Pegasus Galaxy.

[Reiko]

And all those other annoying villagers in the Pegasus Galaxy.

» I don't care who they are. Those villagers are all too damn cheerful these days. Being the cynic I am, I already hate 'em all. :P

[Falcon Horus]

» I don't care who they are. Those villagers are all too damn cheerful these days. Being the cynic I am, I already hate 'em all. :P

:lol:

[Reiko]

» Really, can we stumble upon a very grumpy (normal) villiage for once? Not all of them can have bright-coloured parade banners and big-bosomed women. :P

[Falcon Horus]

» Really, can we stumble upon a very grumpy (normal) villiage for once? Not all of them can have bright-coloured parade banners and big-bosomed women. :P

For that you'll have to switch channels, I'm afraid. :p

[Reiko]

» Well, actually the big-bosomed women may serve a purpose - that Sheppard and McKay are indeed straight, despite what fandom has insisted on pushing in my face. :P (For those of you that do not label your fics ... shame, shame.)

[Pajus]

» Really, can we stumble upon a very grumpy (normal) villiage for once? Not all of them can have bright-coloured parade banners and big-bosomed women. :P

As long as the current TPTBs are in charge, they can

[Pajus]

» Well, actually the big-bosomed women may serve a purpose - that Sheppard and McKay are indeed straight, despite what fandom has insisted on pushing in my face. :P (For those of you that do not label your fics ... shame, shame.)

You have to admit that they behave like an old bickering married couple. And they should both go

[Falcon Horus]

You have to admit that they behave like an old bickering married couple.

I have to agree here. ;)

[Reiko]

You have to admit that they behave like an old bickering married couple. And they should both go

» And go off and get mairrr - ieeed! *whistles* :P

[g.o.d]

You have to admit that they behave like an old bickering married couple. And they should both go

Sheppard - court martial
McKay with Teyla and Keller - airlock (it reminds old good BSG)

[Pajus]

Sheppard - court martial
McKay with Teyla and Keller - airlock (it reminds old good BSG)

Sheppard - court martial
McKay - a TPTB decides to obey the laws of physics for once in their lives
Keller - The AMA gets their hands on the records from Adrift and Tabula Rasa

[Lianne]

Tough decision between Larrin and Ronon, but because Larrin isn´t on screen quite often (thank god), I chose Ronon...really, what is the point of his character?

[Pajus]

Tough decision between Larrin and Ronon, but because Larrin isn´t on screen quite often (thank god), I chose Ronon...really, what is the point of his character?

To shoot the bad guys once in a while

[Falcon Horus]

To shoot the bad guys once in a while

And to grunt, don't forget the grunting. :p

[Lianne]

To shoot the bad guys once in a while

Would be fine with me if he was an military officer #367, but not one of the main characters. Ah whatever, I know I´m a minority with this opinion, so let it go...

[Falcon Horus]

Would be fine with me if he was an military officer #367, but not one of the main characters. Ah whatever, I know I´m a minority with this opinion, so let it go...

If you consider yourself a heretic with this opinion, you should stop by the Heretics Unite (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=54889) gang, if you haven't already. :)

[Lianne]

If you consider yourself a heretic with this opinion, you should stop by the Heretics Unite (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=54889) gang, if you haven't already. :)

I have been there once...but I guess its time for another visit ;)

[Klenotka]

» LOL. :P It does seem that a lot of Czechs hate Teyla :D

» Which people? Teyla's people or your Teyla-hating Czech people? :P:o

Teyla: Where did all my Czech fans go? :D

I know about two, who used to like Teyla in seasons 1-3. Now, I think I don´t know anybody who would really liked her. There are people who don´t mind but nobody who has her as a favorite...and I know lots of people in a Czech SG fandom.
It seems to be a phenomenon of Czech fandom, thought and I doubt tptb will hear about it. They should prey for all Czech fans to stay in European conventions - I think we are able to ask really unpleasant questions about everything. Not nice, polite and "why is SGA/Teyla storyline/new enemy in S4/5 so great" questions. :D Be scared if we will ever get to Comic-Con...:D (but, hmm, there are a lots of hardcore fans, who would mind, so I think it is not too safe to ask "wrong" questions :D)

[Linda06]

Teyla: Where did all my Czech fans go? :D

I know about two, who used to like Teyla in seasons 1-3. Now, I think I don´t know anybody who would really liked her. There are people who don´t mind but nobody who has her as a favorite...and I know lots of people in a Czech SG fandom.
It seems to be a phenomenon of Czech fandom, thought and I doubt tptb will hear about it. They should prey for all Czech fans to stay in European conventions - I think we are able to ask really unpleasant questions about everything. Not nice, polite and "why is SGA/Teyla storyline/new enemy in S4/5 so great" questions. :D Be scared if we will ever get to Comic-Con...:D (but, hmm, there are a lots of hardcore fans, who would mind, so I think it is not too safe to ask "wrong" questions :D)


Well i'm not Czech...I'm Scottish and i love Teyla.....She's my very favourite character :D I really dunno why so many hate her :( There's way worse characters than her there!

[Falcon Horus]

I think we are able to ask really unpleasant questions about everything.

As long as those questions stick to the character and not the actor, by all means, ask away.

[Klenotka]

As long as those questions stick to the character and not the actor, by all means, ask away.

Of course about characters, it´s not fault of the actors (but I am not impressed by Rachel´s acting, but I would never say that to her, bc she seems to be a nice person). But we would probably ask more about lame stories, plot holes, non-existing story-arc and other things that we mind.


Well i'm not Czech...I'm Scottish and i love Teyla.....She's my very favourite character I really dunno why so many hate her There's way worse characters than her there!

Basically - what is in those posts in our forums or what I hear from people - she is annoying, really annoying because she says obvious statements "I am feeling something" and so on. Then, she is an amazon prototype, who offers nothing than a naked belly and legs, showing them in most of promo photos. People also don´t think Rachel can really act. Sorry, but you can like her and everything and God knows I wouldn´t say her this but there are people who think that. And as I said, I am not impressed by her acting as well. But I haven´t seen her in anything else so she could be good somewhere else, who knows.
I don´t think there are worse characters. I know you think McKay but it´s not true. McKay is useful, one of the most favorite characters. I know that it´s some kind of fashion to complain about "too much space for McKay" every time he opens his mouth now but general fandom likes him.
You mind whining? Try Keller and her "oh, your people gone missing? Too bad...and did I say that my daddy stayed at home and kids didn´t like me when I was a girl?"
Seriously, I like Keller and I love Jewel, but sometimes, she is much worse in this. And you can´t say "oh, she is new and she is a woman". I don´t think it´s better at an adult woman to whine, especially at MCO, who should be prepared for extreme situations.
Phew, OK...I think I am going to watch some old episodes of SGA to calm down...or better, I am going to watch some episodes of Heroes instead :D

[Linda06]

Basically - what is in those posts in our forums or what I hear from people - she is annoying, really annoying because she says obvious statements "I am feeling something" and so on. Then, she is an amazon prototype, who offers nothing than a naked belly and legs, showing them in most of promo photos. People also don´t think Rachel can really act. Sorry, but you can like her and everything and God knows I wouldn´t say her this but there are people who think that. And as I said, I am not impressed by her acting as well. But I haven´t seen her in anything else so she could be good somewhere else, who knows.
I don´t think there are worse characters. I know you think McKay but it´s not true. McKay is useful, one of the most favorite characters. I know that it´s some kind of fashion to complain about "too much space for McKay" every time he opens his mouth now but general fandom likes him.
You mind whining? Try Keller and her "oh, your people gone missing? Too bad...and did I say that my daddy stayed at home and kids didn´t like me when I was a girl?"
Seriously, I like Keller and I love Jewel, but sometimes, she is much worse in this. And you can´t say "oh, she is new and she is a woman". I don´t think it´s better at an adult woman to whine, especially at MCO, who should be prepared for extreme situations.
Phew, OK...I think I am going to watch some old episodes of SGA to calm down...or better, I am going to watch some episodes of Heroes instead :D

Well i think Rachel has reallly improved greatly since the seasons have gone on.....And from the three eps i've seen so far in S5 she's been brilliant...I don't see any problem with what she wears...I love some of her clothes..

If you want annoying you don't have to look further than McKay.....The way he whines and moans all the time is so.......so......UGH.....Sometimes i just wanna wring his neck....:S

Well if Teyla and even Ronon got as much screentime as McKay does i'm sure they would have more fans too....But all TPTB seem to be interested in is the Shep/McKay comedy hour most of the time :S Keller doesn't even whine half as much as Rodney...As soon as he starts i wanna fling the remote at the telly to shut him up :S

But i guess it's each to their own ;)

[Falcon Horus]

But we would probably ask more about lame stories, plot holes, non-existing story-arc and other things that we mind.

You'll have to get in line, behind me. :p

[ToasterOnFire]

I find it hard to comment on someone's acting ability when the actors are given so little to work with. ;)

[Reiko]

Well i think Rachel has reallly improved greatly since the seasons have gone on.....And from the three eps i've seen so far in S5 she's been brilliant...I don't see any problem with what she wears...I love some of her clothes..

» I agree that Rachel has really improved since the first season. But like Toaster said, it can depend on how much material she is given for an episode.

[Linda06]

» I agree that Rachel has really improved since the first season. But like Toaster said, it can depend on how much material she is given for an episode.

That's true....I don't wanna count my chickens too soon but S5 is looking promising :D

[Lenas]

That's true....I don't wanna count my chickens too soon but S5 is looking promising :D

Yup, so far so good, and Woolsey- big surprise for me, really like him so far:)
Wasn't looking forward to him as the new leader, but decided to give him a chance, and he is funny and compassionate.

*97 that's my favourite number, yes it is, my favourite number*

[Integrabyte]

Can we make that 98? :D

[Linda06]

Yup, so far so good, and Woolsey- big surprise for me, really like him so far:)
Wasn't looking forward to him as the new leader, but decided to give him a chance, and he is funny and compassionate.

*97 that's my favourite number, yes it is, my favourite number*

Yeah Woolsey surprised me too...I was kinda on the fence with him but i've been pleasantly surprised.....I just hope they don't screw it up after such a promising start!

[Arica15]

Yeah Woolsey surprised me too...I was kinda on the fence with him but i've been pleasantly surprised.....I just hope they don't screw it up after such a promising start!

Agreed, I was dubious about Woolsey and Broken Ties seems a little bit of a backwards step, but Picardo can work with very little material (Voyager) and make it seem great!

So I'm happy to see Woolsey stay, Keller however just gets worse with each episode, she's getting unbearable.

[g.o.d]

TEYLA in BSG style!!!

[Falcon Horus]

TEYLA in BSG style!!!

And that is?

Oh no, wait... Airlock!

[Arica15]

TEYLA in BSG style!!!

Actually my biggest complaint about Teyla is the same one as last year, she contributes what exactly to the major stories? I mean childcare dramas are very topical but dare I say it a little dull and frankly given that if she had decided not to rejoin the team she would have been off the show it was also totally predictable and perhaps could have been dispensed with.

Now I like Teyla as a idea, and I like Rachel Lutrell as an actress, but the reality just never matches up to the concept with the character.

(Though at least Teyla had some thought put into her character originally which is a bit more than can be said for Jennikins)

[g.o.d]

And that is?

Oh no, wait... Airlock!

yes, it's always great fun :D

[jckfan55]

Now I like Teyla as a idea, and I like Rachel Lutrell as an actress, but the reality just never matches up to the concept with the character.

(Though at least Teyla had some thought put into her character originally which is a bit more than can be said for Jennikins)

I like Teyla, but I always feel like the writers never have really made the character live up to the promise. I feel like we get some episodes that really show what a good character she can be, and then she sort of gets forgotten again.

Keller just still doesn't impress me. In the Seed I was much more interested in everything else besides Jennifer. She's about to get taken over/killed. "Yeah, whatever."

[Arica15]

yes, it's always great fun :D

Hey you leave the airlock alone! The airlock and Keller are MEANT to experience explosive decompression together!

[Lenas]

Hey you leave the airlock alone! The airlock and Keller are MEANT to experience explosive decompression together!

:lol:

You said it!
And congrats on 100 Arica, see how time flies:)

[Arica15]

:lol:

You said it!
And congrats on 100 Arica, see how time flies:)

Oh Thanks! Should have been my 1000th though, sigh, need to let that go.......

Anyway Keller exiting by means of an airlock would make the season for me!;)

[Falcon Horus]

yes, it's always great fun :D

It always is. :D


The airlock and Keller are MEANT to experience explosive decompression together!

You make it sound like a romantic outing... sweet! :p

[Reiko]

Keller just still doesn't impress me. In the Seed I was much more interested in everything else besides Jennifer. She's about to get taken over/killed. "Yeah, whatever."

» That's the feeling I got to. Especially from Ronon - when he was watching her on that screen, he didn't seem too on edge, more like he was watching a crappy B-horror movie. :P

» Yeah. I cared about everything but her, too. I could care less if she lived or died.

» I think Woolsey is becoming more popular than her. ;)

[GateofDOOM]

I think Woolsey is becoming more popular than her. ;)

It wasn't exactly that hard though was it? :P

[Kezia]

» I think Woolsey is becoming more popular than her. ;)

Is it even possible for anyone not to be? :P (j/k)

[Klenotka]

*I* like Keller. I take her and Woolsey as two new characters and I think, even when I really liked Woolsey and was one of few who believed him (and didn´t click for him *before* I actually saw him there) that she seems more stable now. She wasn´t too well written in S4 but I still think that she has a potential. Yeah, she is too young to be a CMO, she is maybe sometimes too fragile, too cute...but, I like her...and I will like her even more if they´ll pair her with Rodney :P

[nx01a]

Having just seen 'Search and Rescue', listening to the dialogue Keller had and the whole Shep situation... I was shaking my head and sighing. I think she's lost the gains her erased alternate future self made in the s4 finale. Hey, you appreciate someone more when they die [and it's well written and acted].

[Arica15]

I

You make it sound like a romantic outing... sweet! :p

It would be a darn sight more romantic than any of Keller's so-called 'romantic' scenes.

[Integrabyte]

Rush....rush...Keller out the airlock :P.

[Arica15]

Rush....rush...Keller out the airlock :P.

get it right please.

Out the airlock and into a black hole.

(Well you can't be too careful);)

[nx01a]

Black holes may have concomitant white holes...

Keller doesn't deserve spacing. Just some assertiveness courses. And more survival training.

Larrin and her 'Travelers' deserve the singularity treatment. Hopefully, they'll go the way of the Tok'ra and the Nox.

[Pajus]

I'm actually starting to be a little pro-Woolsey (mainly because he wanted to fire drones on Keller)

[Integrabyte]

Keller :D.

[Meganone06]

I hope it's Woolsey, I don't find any of the others to be that bad. Then again, I just want Elizabeth Weir back as leader, like many of you want Carson back instead of Keller. Still, I think that Carson and Keller could make a good team, with Carson leading of course. Larin, she doesn't stand a chance, only been in like three episodes since they took Weir off, no more lovin for Shep so they had to bring in her! lol Send Woolsey into a Red Giant or Super Nova sun!

[Lenas]

[mod snip]

No, Keller and Carson would make a terrible team, she doesn't even deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence:beckett:

[GateGipsy]

This is a discussion about which character should go, it isn't a lets rag on Keller thread. So lets keep the discussion on topic please?

[padr49904]

Well they are just discussing why she should go. I personally find the show just fine the way it is, but I am still leaning toward having the original cast back.

[Reiko]

I personally find the show just fine the way it is, but I am still leaning toward having the original cast back.

» :weiranime17: See, it's not just us crazy "Anti's" ;)

[jelgate]

» :weiranime17: See, it's not just us crazy "Anti's" ;)Just because we're not antis doesn't mean we didn't liked the original cast.

[Integrabyte]

After seeing the latest S5, I want all of them to go, except Woolsey. Bring back the good ole days...Jack&Co.

[Vespasianus]

Ronon. Although he showed some progress during recent episodes, he is still the weakest link, goodbye! (and don't my head off)

[GateGipsy]

I don't have a problem with them discussing why Keller should go. Just a bit tired of all the counting - that's not relevant nor is it productive for the discussion :)

[Falcon Horus]

Just because we're not antis doesn't mean we didn't liked the original cast.

LOL, I thought you were going to say...

Just because we're not antis, doesn't mean we're not crazy.

:lol:

But you didn't... :p

[The TARDIS]

LOL, I thought you were going to say...

Just because we're not antis, doesn't mean we're not crazy.

:lol:

But you didn't... :p

I think we can all agree that the regulars of the Pro and Anti season 5 threads are a little crazy in the coconut, yes. But at least we can all be thankful we're not as bad as the whumpers :P

[Linzi]

I think we can all agree that the regulars of the Pro and Anti season 5 threads are a little crazy in the coconut, yes. But at least we can all be thankful we're not as bad as the whumpers :P
Oh yeah, those whumpers are totally nuts. I'm so glad I don't know any! Phew....;)

Am I the only one who doesn't particularly or actively want anyone to go? :eek: :(

[luvmac]

I find Keller about as interesting as dirt and if it wasn't for this other character I'd probably have cast my vote for her.

However, I hate, hate, hate the character of Larrin. If I never see that leather-clad, sexual innuendo tossing, cliche again it will be too soon.

[Rockhound]

I find Keller about as interesting as dirt and if it wasn't for this other character I'd probably have cast my vote for her.

However, I hate, hate, hate the character of Larrin. If I never see that leather-clad, sexual innuendo tossing, cliche again it will be too soon.

Well said - definately Larrin!!

[Falcon Horus]

But at least we can all be thankful we're not as bad as the whumpers :P

*giggles* Good point! :p

No Pegasus in sight?

[Reiko]

Just because we're not antis doesn't mean we didn't liked the original cast.

» *pokes* jelly, tell me, and be honest - which is your favourite cast combo so far? :o


But at least we can all be thankful we're not as bad as the whumpers :P

» Yes, yes, we can :D

[Killdeer]

Am I the only one who doesn't particularly or actively want anyone to go? :eek: :(

No, you're not the only one. There's people I would be less sad about losing than others, but I'm not sure there's any of our current S5 cast I really want gone.

[GhostPoet]

BOO!!!

Keller is awesome!!

[jelgate]

Oh yeah, those whumpers are totally nuts. I'm so glad I don't know any! Phew....;)

Am I the only one who doesn't particularly or actively want anyone to go? :eek: :(If Peg was here, she would say your nose is growing longer.

Yes. I'm a firm supporter of the termination of Atlantis marine 3.:P

[PG15]

Am I the only one who doesn't particularly or actively want anyone to go? :eek: :(

Nope, thankfully. I don't have any major problems with any of the cast members; and I'd also wouldn't want anyone axed as there are fans for each and every character.

How would they feel if I wished their character gone? ;)

[Reiko]

How would they feel if I wished their character gone? ;)

» I wouldn't care. *whistles*

[Falcon Horus]

How would they feel if I wished their character gone? ;)

The same as when they wish your character gone.

[NKDietrich]

I voted Larrin in hope we'll never see her again. She has the acting skills of a brick and her character is so utterly contrived.

I really enjoy the rest of the characters. Polls like this are useless though, people are always going to vote against the newest characters because they haven't gotten used to them yet. [mod snip]

[Suzieb]

I'm new to this forum but I have watched SGA for quite some time. I just cannot seem to get very hyped up about Ronon Dex. His character even being there makes no sense to me. If he's supposed to have a purpose other than trying to show up Sheppard or make fun of Rodney, then I have yet to see it. If TPTB were looking for someone to play the big silent, grunt through a scene type then they hit the nail on the head. Otherwise, I say throw him off a pier and hope that the whales or some other monstrous sea creature gets him.

The only problem is that poor Sam the whale would get indigestion from eating him.

[NKDietrich]

If TPTB were looking for someone to play the big silent, grunt through a scene type then they hit the nail on the head.

Thats the thing though, that's what they wanted, so it's a great choice. They needed more military muscle on the team.

[The.Road.Not.Taken]

larrin defo she is just there and shouldn't be also she wouldn;t be missed much because she isn't that big charatcher

[PG15]

» I wouldn't care. *whistles*

Yes, you would. ;)


The same as when they wish your character gone.

Exactly. I'd feel bad.

[foggygirl]

I voted for Keller and I was surprised by my choice since I liked the character fine last season. The season four opener showed Keller in full doctor mode and she seemed to be gelling with the other characters on the show. Since season five's opener however she is coming across as somewhat flat and whiny and I am disappointed in the character.

[maxbo]

Oh yeah, those whumpers are totally nuts. I'm so glad I don't know any! Phew....;)

:lol:


Am I the only one who doesn't particularly or actively want anyone to go? :eek: :(

No, you're not the only one who doesn't particularly or actively want anyone to go. However, I do wish for less focus on certain characters.

[GhostPoet]

I like Keller because she instantly super-doctor. She's a character with so much room to grow and that's the thing I like the most about her.

[Falcon Horus]

I like Keller because she instantly super-doctor. She's a character with so much room to grow and that's the thing I like the most about her.

Didn't you just contradict yourself? Unless there's a word missing of course... :o

"Instant super-doctor" doesn't leave much room to grow.

*shrug*

[g.o.d]

Didn't you just contradict yourself? Unless there's a word missing of course... :o

"Instant super-doctor" doesn't leave much room to grow.

*shrug*

*sigh* one day she will become even better doctor (if it is possible) and she will ascend;)

[Arica15]

*sigh* one day she will become even better doctor (if it is possible) and she will ascend;)

If the ascend part means she leaves and doesn't come back them fire up the ascendo-meter pronto!

[g.o.d]

If the ascend part means she leaves and doesn't come back them fire up the ascendo-meter pronto!

TPTB love her so much so they'll change show's canon and suddenly will forget that part about non-interference policy

[Hong3103]

I just don't like the whining she did in that episode with Teyla... what the heck did you think you were signing up to do. She should've been briefed...

[PG15]

^...briefed on axe-wielding cannibals? Ok...right...


TPTB love her so much so they'll change show's canon and suddenly will forget that part about non-interference policy


Nah, she'll just return to human form or play a renegade. You know, like Daniel, Oma, Orlin, Merlin, Morgan, etc. etc. ;)

[Hong3103]

^...briefed on axe-wielding cannibals? Ok...right...

That fact that she is going to another galaxy and could probably face things that want to kill her... including axe-wielding cannibals. :jack_new_anime05:

[Pajus]

^...briefed on axe-wielding cannibals? Ok...right...

Briefed on life-sucking hi-tech aliens... Worse than axe-wielding cannibals

[Hong3103]

Briefed on life-sucking hi-tech aliens... Worse than axe-wielding cannibals
Exactly... although this would be a way for the writers to help develop this character into a confident character that accepts the challenge instead of whining about it.


As long as TPTB don't bring back Ford (cameos are OK... not a full time character). I know that there are those that don't agree but Ronin sooo much more badass than Ford. I just didn't like his portrayal of a Marine.

[PG15]

You can't brief on what you don't know existed! :p

Talking about the cannibals, o'course. ;)

Besides, it's not like a briefing can prepare you for dealing with what's actually out there face to face.

[Pajus]

Besides, it's not like a briefing can prepare you for dealing with what's actually out there face to face.

That's what I call double standards

[PG15]

Elaborate.

[Pajus]

Elaborate.

About 9 months ago, I criticised Carter's posting as leader of Atlantis for the same reason and certain people (you among them) told me to shove it. Back then, a briefing and a few reports were enough. I guess they are not enough now

[Reiko]

I just don't like the whining she did in that episode with Teyla... what the heck did you think you were signing up to do. She should've been briefed...

» There was a briefing, but she didn't attend it because she was off debriefing one of her male coworkers. ;) yes, that is a joke. don't kill me. (:

[Hong3103]

» There was a briefing, but she didn't attend it because she was off debriefing one of her male coworkers. ;) yes, that is a joke. don't kill me. (:
The doctor doesn't seem to be the type.... but before she accepted the post on Atlantis should've been briefed at least on the Wraith.

"Hey if you accept this post you will be working in a completely different galaxy and you will encounter creatures that want to kill you...(Wraith, Asurans, etc...) Are you sure you still want the job?"

I'm sure something like that was said to her when she was being briefed on the situation in Atlantis.

[PG15]

About 9 months ago, I criticised Carter's posting as leader of Atlantis for the same reason and certain people (you among them) told me to shove it. Back then, a briefing and a few reports were enough. I guess they are not enough now

I don't remember any of that. Whatever the case, Carter had more than just reports and briefings; she was out on the front lines for 10 years. But the fact that she had no experience in the Pegasus galaxy means nothing if she has the skills to back it up and the right people with the experience around her; after all, no new expedition members would know what to expect until they get there; it just comes with the job. You get briefed on the basics, then you'll have to fend for yourself once you're actually there, like most jobs. Carter did just fine, and though Keller was scared out of her wits at the beginning in Missing, she eventually toughed up a little, lied to the face of the Bola Kai leader, and shot Nabel in the leg.

Besides, facing dozens of cannibals while in the wild with no backup is a lot different than issuing orders from the comfort of a base of operations.

[elliecat]

» There was a briefing, but she didn't attend it because she was off debriefing one of her male coworkers. ;) yes, that is a joke. don't kill me. (:

Mental green! :D


The doctor doesn't seem to be the type.... but before she accepted the post on Atlantis should've been briefed at least on the Wraith.

"Hey if you accept this post you will be working in a completely different galaxy and you will encounter creatures that want to kill you...(Wraith, Asurans, etc...) Are you sure you still want the job?"

I'm sure something like that was said to her when she was being briefed on the situation in Atlantis.

That is a very good point, she must have been briefed about the Wraith and all the other dangers in the Pegasus Galaxy, and she went there and then didn't want the job of CMO? Hmm, I don't know why the writers decided to write her that way really. If you weren't prepared for it, and are scared, why would you go in the first place? We shall some of us have to agree to disagree about Keller I think! ;)

[perkin127]

but she didnt go to atlantis to become the cmo, she was just a dr, but after becket died she was asked to step in temporarily, the first scene we see her shes asking weir how much longer till she gets replaced, then she never is

[Hong3103]

but she didnt go to atlantis to become the cmo, she was just a dr, but after becket died she was asked to step in temporarily, the first scene we see her shes asking weir how much longer till she gets replaced, then she never is
Regardless... in any type of organization there's a hierarchy. Obviously she had the experience and knowledge to be the second doctor in line after Carson. She should've known that if the CMO were unable to perform their job she would have to step in and fill that job. If that was a responsibility she could not handle she shouldn't have taken the job as a doctor in the Atlantis team.

She could've taken any other job as a doctor elsewhere and still get paid big bucks w/o having to worry about life-sucking aliens, replicating nanites, axe-wielding cannibals, etc....

[Reiko]

but she didnt go to atlantis to become the cmo, she was just a dr, but after becket died she was asked to step in temporarily, the first scene we see her shes asking weir how much longer till she gets replaced, then she never is

» Then for the sake of continuity (does that exist anymore?) REPLACE HER. For the sake of all of us. :sheppard33:

[PG15]

It was never said when she'd be replaced though. ;)

[Hong3103]

As long as Ford isn't brought back to replace her (not the position)...

[Infinatus]

As long as Ford isn't brought back to replace her (not the position)...

I'll agree he could have been written better. Though I liked him better than Ronon just because Ronon was an over compensation of what Ford lacked. I personally don't like his ridiculous ability to withstand 3 stun blasts and outmatch people on Wraith enzyme and with Goa'uld inside of them in a fight. And yes, I voted that Ronon should leave... Or he should be written more realistically.

[Klenotka]

» Then for the sake of continuity (does that exist anymore?) REPLACE HER. For the sake of all of us. :sheppard33:

Don´t speak for all of us. I don´t want her to be replaced.

[g.o.d]

Don´t speak for all of us. I don´t want her to be replaced.

I want her to be flushed out of the airlock with Teyla

[perkin127]

I actually like Keller she brings something completely different to Atlantis, and everyone is complaining that shes a wimp, well so was Becket at the beginning, and maybe as she is a good dr, she went because she knew people needed her there. but i know if u dont like keller your not really going to change your mind because of what i say i hope that the writers make her role better in season 5 and hopefully change peoples minds otherwise its going to mess up the show for you and thats sad.

[Reiko]

I want her to be flushed out of the airlock with Teyla

» I like Teyla, but if it's a package deal ... :D

[Falcon Horus]

» I like Teyla, but if it's a package deal ... :D

Then flush me out too. :psycho:

[Pic]

Then flush me out too. :psycho:

Me, too. With all the ladies gone, it'd be Stargate Testosterone.
No thanks.
:D

[Linda06]

Me, too. With all the ladies gone, it'd be Stargate Testosterone.
No thanks.
:D

:eek: *shudders*

[Falcon Horus]

I sense it'll be busy near that airlock. :p

[Pic]

I sense it'll be busy near that airlock. :p

Just had a thought! :D
Not to be picky or anything, but Atlantis isn't flinging itself through space. It's not Starship Atlantis (at least not technically), so there really shouldn't be an airlock theme anyway... so I think the girls are safe for now.

[Falcon Horus]

Just had a thought! :D
Not to be picky or anything, but Atlantis isn't flinging itself through space. It's not Starship Atlantis (at least not technically), so there really shouldn't be an airlock theme anyway... so I think the girls are safe for now.

The Daedalus has them. The jumpers can dump stuff in space. Plenty of opportunities. :p

[Pic]

The Daedalus has them. The jumpers can dump stuff in space. Plenty of opportunities. :p

Rats!

There goes my pollyanna moment.

:lol:

[vaberella]

I wish I had checked all OTHER....

I want them all off the show and bring in a whole new cast of trouble makers. Something like "Saved By the Bell" and they can do that every 6 or so years...

[Jackie]

Keller needs to go more than ever right now.

Maybe they could kill off Keller and then recast JS as an alien. A different character altogether.

[ToasterOnFire]

She'd be great as a young wraith.

[Jackie]

She'd be great as a young wraith.

the new wraith queen who is teetering between enemy and ally.

[Reiko]

» Yeah. I dun want SG Testosterone. :(

» Just get rid of Keller from my brain, kplzthx. If Teyla goes before Keller - or at all - I'll probably spork myself seriously.

[Falcon Horus]

»If Teyla goes before Keller - or at all - I'll probably spork myself seriously.

In that case I will celebrate the new beginning of my SGA-less life, but I would miss you guys like crazy. That's the downside of it.

[jelgate]

» Yeah. I dun want SG Testosterone. :(» Just get rid of Keller from my brain, kplzthx. If Teyla goes before Keller - or at all - I'll probably spork myself seriously.So it sounds like you want everything?

[Teal'c_PI]

Larrin. A more annoying female character cannot be found in Atlantis or in any other show.

[Falcon Horus]

A more annoying female character cannot be found in Atlantis or in any other show.

Some might argue that point, but it is a good point nevertheless. :p

[Reiko]

In that case I will celebrate the new beginning of my SGA-less life, but I would miss you guys like crazy. That's the downside of it.

» Well, there will always be fic and speculation. :P And plus you know us "Anti" people are too cool to part with :cool:

[jelgate]

Some might argue that point, but it is a good point nevertheless. :pNot in Stargate but their are other shows I can think of.

[Pajus]

Me, too. With all the ladies gone, it'd be Stargate Testosterone.
No thanks.
:D

LOL... At first I read "Stargate Treadstone" *begs all fans of Jason Bourne for forgiveness*

[DeRoest]

If you could pick any character, main or reacurring, to leave the show permanetly in season 5 who would it be? They cannot return.
you, David, you
:tealc44:

[Lenas]

Keller needs to go more than ever right now.


I SECOND THAT!!!:zelenka25:

[elliecat]

I SECOND THAT!!!:zelenka25:

I third that, can I vote for her again, please?!!! ;)

[Pajus]

I third that, can I vote for her again, please?!!! ;)

Delete your cookies and you can

[Klenotka]

Delete your cookies and you can

Oh, that is the reason why Keller has so many votes! Yeah, unfortunately, every poll in the internet is unfair because of this. :(

I don´t know, in first few episodes of S5 Sheppard annoyed me more than Teyla, who was...well, pretty OK, but I don´t think I will ever consider her as a favorite character...she is just there, nothing more.
But I am happy at this point, with Keller and Woolsey, who are after S4 finally (for me) good characters. Both have to grow but after Elizabeth left, there seems to be a commander in his place again (and I think most of the votes here are from the beginning of S5 :rolleyes:) and Keller, who is...well, I just like her, that´s all. :)
So at this point, little change for every of the characters is necessary, of course, but before kick anyone out, they should stay at least two seasons like this.
I am not sure when I have changed my opinion, but I think it was after Daedalus Variations. I hope they won´t crash my fragile optimism in the next episode....

[Pajus]

Oh, that is the reason why Keller has so many votes! Yeah, unfortunately, every poll in the internet is unfair because of this. :(

I don´t know, in first few episodes of S5 Sheppard annoyed me more than Teyla, who was...well, pretty OK, but I don´t think I will ever consider her as a favorite character...she is just there, nothing more.
But I am happy at this point, with Keller and Woolsey, who are after S4 finally (for me) good characters. Both have to grow but after Elizabeth left, there seems to be a commander in his place again (and I think most of the votes here are from the beginning of S5 :rolleyes:) and Keller, who is...well, I just like her, that´s all. :)
So at this point, little change for every of the characters is necessary, of course, but before kick anyone out, they should stay at least two seasons like this.
I am not sure when I have changed my opinion, but I think it was after Daedalus Variations. I hope they won´t crash my fragile optimism in the next episode....

Daedalus Variations was good - No Keller

[Lenas]

Oh, that is the reason why Keller has so many votes! Yeah, unfortunately, every poll in the internet is unfair because of this. :(

I don´t know, in first few episodes of S5 Sheppard annoyed me more than Teyla, who was...well, pretty OK, but I don´t think I will ever consider her as a favorite character...she is just there, nothing more.
But I am happy at this point, with Keller and Woolsey, who are after S4 finally (for me) good characters. Both have to grow but after Elizabeth left, there seems to be a commander in his place again (and I think most of the votes here are from the beginning of S5 :rolleyes:) and Keller, who is...well, I just like her, that´s all. :)
So at this point, little change for every of the characters is necessary, of course, but before kick anyone out, they should stay at least two seasons like this.
I am not sure when I have changed my opinion, but I think it was after Daedalus Variations. I hope they won´t crash my fragile optimism in the next episode....

What show are you watching?
Sounds good, it's not fair hiding it from the rest of us;)
DV was great!

[g.o.d]

Delete your cookies and you can

no, it's not working

[Reiko]

Delete your cookies and you can


Oh, that is the reason why Keller has so many votes! Yeah, unfortunately, every poll in the internet is unfair because of this. :(

» Actually you can't (I deleted all my cookies in a cleanup a week ago), which, unless some sneaky b------ is using socks, the poll is accurate. That's because the forum keeps track of the results by user accounts,n ot by cookies. ;)

[flameling]

I vote Keller and also vote that Beckett takes his rightful place in the infirmary.

[Rac80]

I vote carson!clone should go! let the poor man rest in peace and be done with him.

[Reiko]

» Sorry, but I REALLY doubt giving Carson a peaceful rest is the only reason some of you want him gone.

[kali1]

Keller needs to go. I want the real Carson back:(

[jenks]

Carson is gone, he died in season 3. I don't think any characters need to go at the moment, the dead skin (Ford, Weir, Carter) has already been cut from the series.

[fumblesmcstupid]

John Sheppard
Rodney McKay
Teyla Emmagon
Ronon Dex
Richard Woolsey
Radek Zelenka
Evan Lorne
Miko
Peter Kavanaugh
Chuck
Amelia
Todd
Michael
Kaana
Toran
Carson Becket
Elizabeth Weir
Aiden Ford

and most of ALL Keller!

We will miss you guys! (Except Keller) (Well I won't miss her)

[Infinite-Possibilities]

Is it just me or is Larrin only a tiny fraction as important as all the other characters in the list? She seems to me to be the easiest pick not to risk damaging the show. I don't really mind her too much, however Out of the regulars I'd pick Keller. Infact I'd probably pick her over Zelenka and Lorne. I don't think she quite clicks with the rest of the cast as well as most others do. I find her arc with Rodney is not progressing well. Its seems too contrived and out of left field so far.

[Pajus]

Is it just me or is Larrin only a tiny fraction as important as all the other characters in the list? She seems to me to be the easiest pick not to risk damaging the show. I don't really mind her too much, however Out of the regulars I'd pick Keller. Infact I'd probably pick her over Zelenka and Lorne. I don't think she quite clicks with the rest of the cast as well as most others do. I find her arc with Rodney is not progressing well. Its seems too contrived and out of left field so far.

Here (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4492056/2/) you go on Keller death and here (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4492056/3/) you go on Larrin death.

[Erised]

KELLER! *gags*

[Clem]

I've been waiting five years to see Teyla die. Horribly.

I think the majority of Keller votes should be disgarded because people are just pissy that Beckett isn't there anymore.

[Erised]

I've been waiting five years to see Teyla die. Horribly.

I think the majority of Keller votes should be disgarded because people are just pissy that Beckett isn't there anymore.

Well, it has a lot to do with why I hate her.
But also because the only reason TPTB chose her is because she is blonde and under 30. One - no doctor under 30 would ever be considered to go to a frakin' another galaxy where one of the most important human expeditions is taking place. Two - I will never get the picture of the wraith she played out of my mind. She acts too much like her. Three - she whines "oooh I was a genius child so I didn't go to a lot of parties..." give me a break!

[GateLadyM]

If Keller is in the SGA movie, I'm not watching. That's how badly she irritates me!

[elliecat]

If Keller is in the SGA movie, I'm not watching. That's how badly she irritates me!

Gotta agree with you there. ;) Not keen on the idea of a movie anyway, just seems weird to me for SGA.

[decozar]

To be honest im not going to vote for anyone to go because i think they all have played there role and been good at it.

I've become attatched to all the characters just like i did with SG1 it be hard to any one of them go.

But at the end of the day we all have our opinions on the characters but mine is they all are great :)

[elliecat]

To be honest im not going to vote for anyone to go because i think they all have played there role and been good at it.

I've become attatched to all the characters just like i did with SG1 it be hard to any one of them go.

But at the end of the day we all have our opinions on the characters but mine is they all are great :)

I felt the same seasons 1-3, I didn't want anyone gone then, I loved all of them. :) I wish I could say the same now though! ;)

[Hong3103]

I felt the same seasons 1-3, I didn't want anyone gone then, I loved all of them. :) I wish I could say the same now though! ;)
Ford was the only person that I didn't have any issues with leaving the show. Larrin really doesn't play THAT huge of role in the series... I don't thin it'll affect the show if the writers don't touch up on her again.

[Lenas]

I felt the same seasons 1-3, I didn't want anyone gone then, I loved all of them. :) I wish I could say the same now though! ;)

ITA ellie!! like I never agreed with you on anything before;)

Well, in a way I suppose I got my way, there will be no more Keller!!!
Would have loved a s6 though, if they killed her off!

[Erised]

who the hell is Larrin anyway?

[stclare]

who the hell is Larrin anyway?

Space babe captain, dominatrix type with a kink for rope and :sheppard: was in 2 eps in season 4.

[Infinatus]

Jill Wagner.

[Ltcolshepjumper]

Ford was the only person that I didn't have any issues with leaving the show. Larrin really doesn't play THAT huge of role in the series... I don't thin it'll affect the show if the writers don't touch up on her again.

Yeah, they won't. Anyway, the one I'd vote for already left. Maybe there should be a "What character should be brought back?" thread.

[shipper hannah]

I voted Larrin. She's a very minor character (and she's rubbish).
I wouldn't mind Carter replacing Woolsey, but that's likely not going to happen. To be fair, he hasn't been in it long so I'm going to give him more of a chance.
I like Keller, I'm surprised at the negative responses to her. I don't see what's irritating about her, she's harmless.

[PuddleJumper42]

I picked Keller, because while I like the character, I don't like her as much as the other characters on the list and I'm not liking where the writers have been taking her lately. (Especially romantically.)

I didn't pick Larrin because she's not in the main cast (or even really recurring) so there's no real point to have her up there in the first place because odds are we won't see her again anyway.

[Linda06]

Keller :mckay: Dang i already voted...Pity there isn't a reset button so i can take my vote back and change it!

[Fenrir Foxz]

Keller :mckay: Dang i already voted...Pity there isn't a reset button so i can take my vote back and change it!

How has Keller over taken Larrin as the character you most want gone? aside from the fact that Larrin isn't likely to ever be back now.

[Linda06]

How has Keller over taken Larrin as the character you most want gone? aside from the fact that Larrin isn't likely to ever be back now.

The nomination for Jewel for the ep missing was the final straw for me when it was supposed to be a Teyla ep!

[Fenrir Foxz]

The nomination for Jewel for the ep missing was the final straw for me when it was supposed to be a Teyla ep!

It is a Teyla ep. I don't see how you can hold studio politics again a character and IMO Jewel was great in 'Missing', whether her performance made you hate Keller more or understand her position and sympathise that she was out of her element, JS really gave dynamic to the character.

[BallparkFranks7]

i really don't understand why people don't like Keller. She might not be the best actress ever, but she brings a lot to the show. [mod snip]

I don't think I'd like to see any of the major cast gone. I selected "other" because if my opinion would matter, I'd prefer to see Kanaan gone, so that Teyla could start a relationship with Shep. Kanaan brings nothing to the show what-so-ever, and a relationship between Teyla and, well really any cast member would bring more to the development of the show.

JMO

[andy tyler]

personally i'd pick ronan dex, he's such a cliche and uninteresting character. Even his NAME is uninteresting! are you serious?! ronan dex? sounds like a action hero from a cartoon.

[Linda06]

It is a Teyla ep. I don't see how you can hold studio politics again a character and IMO Jewel was great in 'Missing', whether her performance made you hate Keller more or understand her position and sympathise that she was out of her element, JS really gave dynamic to the character.

So if it's a Teyla ep why didn't Rachel get nominated instead of a recurring character at the time!

I'm a little sick of Rachel/Teyla getting constantly ignored....And now Keller is here it's got worse for Teyla....What should have been great character moments in the shrine got taken over by Keller and McKeller!

Instead of bringing in new characters and spending all their time on them they should have spent some much needed time developing the characters they've already got i.e. Ronon and Teyla....Now their practically non existent!

[Fenrir Foxz]

So if it's a Teyla ep why didn't Rachel get nominated instead of a recurring character at the time!

I'd be interested to know too how JS was nominated / chosen out of all the SGA cast to be honest but without a reliable source it's not worth speculating on (plus I don't think it would be all that respectful).


I'm a little sick of Rachel/Teyla getting constantly ignored....And now Keller is here it's got worse for Teyla....What should have been great character moments in the shrine got taken over by Keller and McKeller!

I'd like to see more Teyla in the show and I know what you mean about her being ignored but the way I see this there's more to it it than 'Keller is TPTB's golden girl' why she got the nomination.

Not sure why McKay has to be written love interests but up till now I haven't been too bothered by it, that could change if it dominates stories any my enjoyment of the ep/s goes down but I can't see 'McKeller' being anything more than a secondary arc with some scenes spanning a few eps.

What comes out of JM's blog or the spoilers very rarely give a good impression of how things will turn out IMO, just some plot details and what will / could take place in the episodes.


Instead of bringing in new characters and spending all their time on them they should have spent some much needed time developing the characters they've already got i.e. Ronon and Teyla....Now their practically non existent!

To be fair TPTB had to bring in someone to take over as CMO, they got JS and wrote in Dr Keller, I've yet to see anyone mention the possibility that Beckett may have been taking screen time from other characters but then a character only has the screen time the writers write them in for, as I've said before I would like to see Teyla and Ronon step up and be counted more often, 'Daedalus Variations' showed that TPTB can develop them a bit to give them something to do in a situation where they would probably have been useless, I'm hopeful that will be the case more in S5.

[Linda06]

To be fair TPTB had to bring in someone to take over as CMO, they got JS and wrote in Dr Keller, I've yet to see anyone mention the possibility that Beckett may have been taking screen time from other characters but then a character only has the screen time the writers write them in for, as I've said before I would like to see Teyla and Ronon step up and be counted more often, 'Daedalus Variations' showed that TPTB can develop them a bit to give them something to do in a situation where they would probably have been useless, I'm hopeful that will be the case more in S5.

I'm curious about something....Wasn't one of the reasons for getting rid of Carson in the first place because once they made him recurring they didn't know what to do with him? And that we were trying to write him into eps where her wasn't needed?

And if the wanted another CMO they should have made her like what they done with Janet Frazier.....She only came into eps when she needed to be there,they didn't force the issue by writing her into eps where there was no need for her.....That's what they should have done with Keller...Kept her recurring like how they done with Janet!

[Cautious Explorer]

It is a Teyla ep. I don't see how you can hold studio politics again a character and IMO Jewel was great in 'Missing', whether her performance made you hate Keller more or understand her position and sympathise that she was out of her element, JS really gave dynamic to the character.

Encouraging people to hate you more is an accomplishment if you're playing a villain, but Missing was intended to make people like Keller. I'd say everyone missed the mark on that one.

I don't see JS bringing any great dynamic to the character. Any actress from a teen horror flick could have accomplished the same IMO. Screaming, crying, spraining her ankle and finally pulling herself together at the very end. The only thing unique she brought to the role is that I usually don't find myself rooting for the monster.

[Klenotka]

Well, all I remember from Missing is Keller :D I was annoyed by the whole "Where are my people" storyline for Teyla so I tried to ignore it. :D
I focused at Keller and Jewel, instead. I really like Jewel. I think she is a very good actress and deserves the nomination. But, I have to admit that Missing wouldn´t be my first choice because I don´t like this episode. The Last Man would be better.

*runs and hides*

[Fenrir Foxz]

I'm curious about something....Wasn't one of the reasons for getting rid of Carson in the first place because once they made him recurring they didn't know what to do with him? And that we were trying to write him into eps where her wasn't needed?

I remember reading comments about that on the forum but nothing I would take as fact, it could have been the reason though.


And if the wanted another CMO they should have made her like what they done with Janet Frazier.....She only came into eps when she needed to be there,they didn't force the issue by writing her into eps where there was no need for her.....That's what they should have done with Keller...Kept her recurring like how they done with Janet!

Not sure what the writers wanted with Keller but it seems they intended to have a character the could develop because that seems to be what is happening with her.


Encouraging people to hate you more is an accomplishment if you're playing a villain, but Missing was intended to make people like Keller. I'd say everyone missed the mark on that one.

I was just making a point that despite peoples reaction to the character, JS did well in 'Missing' with what she was given.


I don't see JS bringing any great dynamic to the character. Any actress from a teen horror flick could have accomplished the same IMO. Screaming, crying, spraining her ankle and finally pulling herself together at the very end. The only thing unique she brought to the role is that I usually don't find myself rooting for the monster.

Dunno I've seen some pretty bad acting / writing in teen horror flicks and with those I couldn't see any realism to the characters, they were just written there to be scared, scream, whatever and didn't seem to have any depth... Keller on the other hand does IMO and I could understand why she's the way she was in the episode.

[Fenrir Foxz]

Well, all I remember from Missing is Keller :D I was annoyed by the whole "Where are my people" storyline for Teyla so I tried to ignore it. :D
I focused at Keller and Jewel, instead. I really like Jewel. I think she is a very good actress and deserves the nomination. But, I have to admit that Missing wouldn´t be my first choice because I don´t like this episode. The Last Man would be better.

*runs and hides*

I didn't really like the 'missing Athosians' arc, it just wasn't interesting to me but I did like Teyla in 'Missing'... 'TLM' would have been another good choice for the episode to recognise Jewel's acting, I really liked the way Keller was in that ep.

[Linda06]

Not sure what the writers wanted with Keller but it seems they intended to have a character the could develop because that seems to be what is happening with her.


Couldn't they have done that with Carson though...Why bother killing him off..Also they won't need a doctor all the time so she's not gonna be there all the time so why not keep her status recurring?

[Jumper_One]

Couldn't they have done that with Carson though...Why bother killing him off..Also they won't need a doctor all the time so she's not gonna be there all the time so why not keep her status recurring?

that wasn't M&M's decision ;)

[Fenrir Foxz]

Couldn't they have done that with Carson though...Why bother killing him off..Also they won't need a doctor all the time so she's not gonna be there all the time so why not keep her status recurring?

Different TPTB, M&M took over for S4 and IIRC they weren't involved in the decision with Carson being killed off... I'm not sure why Keller was stepped up for S5 in the amount of eps she'll be in, TPTB must have had more plans for her this season *cough* McKeller *cough* and some development.

[Linda06]

that wasn't M&M's decision ;)

Maaaaaaaaaaan.......Will you tell them to stop changing things.....Do they know how easily confused i get.......Please tell them how easily confused i get :S

[Jumper_One]

Maaaaaaaaaaan.......Will you tell them to stop changing things.....Do they know how easily confused i get.......Please tell them how easily confused i get :S

I'll try :P

[Cautious Explorer]

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I was just making a point that despite peoples reaction to the character, JS did well in 'Missing' with what she was given.

I'll agree that she was given pretty bad material to start with, but the goal of Missing was to make people like Keller. JS portrayed her in a whiny, sniveling way that I found incredibly annoying. She was going for the pity me routine IMO. Maybe another actress would have injected more humor or a bit of grit that JS didn't. Who knows? Since I haven't found Keller at all appealing in other episodes, I can't entirely fault Binder's writing. But to say she did well when she entirely missed the mark of making Keller more likable doesn't make sense to me.



Dunno I've seen some pretty bad acting / writing in teen horror flicks and with those I couldn't see any realism to the characters, they were just written there to be scared, scream, whatever and didn't seem to have any depth... Keller on the other hand does IMO and I could understand why she's the way she was in the episode.

Just because there's worse out there, doesn't make it great. I honestly don't see any difference in your description of teen horror flicks and what we got in Missing. Scared, screaming, no depth.... that's Keller alright.

[Reiko]

Couldn't they have done that with Carson though...Why bother killing him off?

Because (yes, all pure speculation)-
1. You could not start a love triangle with Carson. He is too dignified than that.
2. TPTB are fanboys, and it was convenient because PM is not a big name like JS.
3. 'Shake things up'.
4. He isn't as young and pretty.
5. Keller would make a better best friend for Rodney.
6. He wasn't American.
7. Maybe no one would notice. Or care.
8. He lacks boobies, yo.

[Repli!kat]

Because (yes, all pure speculation)-
1. You could not start a love triangle with Carson. He is too dignified than that.
2. TPTB are fanboys, and it was convenient because PM is not a big name like JS.
3. 'Shake things up'.
4. He isn't as young and pretty.
5. Keller would make a better best friend for Rodney.
6. He wasn't American.
7. Maybe no one would notice. Or care.
8. He lacks boobies, yo.

*Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! - annnnnd Number 8! We have a winner!!!*

[Reiko]

Did I mention he wouldn't look as good in leather? ;)

[Fenrir Foxz]

I'll agree that she was given pretty bad material to start with, but the goal of Missing was to make people like Keller.

If that's the case then TPTB were aiming too high because it is impossible to get everyone to like something. I think they were trying to give some depth to Keller and start the ball rolling with developing her.


JS portrayed her in a whiny, sniveling way that I found incredibly annoying. She was going for the pity me routine IMO.

JS portrayed Keller in the manner she was directed to. Who was she seeking pity from, the fans? I bought the fact that Keller was in a situation she wasn't prepared for and scared, I think quite a few people would have been terrified finding themselves off world in another galaxy, cut off from help and being hunter by savage cannibals.


Maybe another actress would have injected more humor or a bit of grit that JS didn't. Who knows?

If it wasn't in the script then I doubt it.


Since I haven't found Keller at all appealing in other episodes, I can't entirely fault Binder's writing. But to say she did well when she entirely missed the mark of making Keller more likable doesn't make sense to me.

My opinion doesn't have to make sense, it's my interpretation of Keller and how she reacted in the episode.


Just because there's worse out there, doesn't make it great.

When I can understand where Keller's coming from and why she acted the way she did then yeah it does.


I honestly don't see any difference in your description of teen horror flicks and what we got in Missing. Scared, screaming, no depth.... that's Keller alright.

Each to their own, but I did and continue to see depth in Keller.

[Boxytheboxed]

I hope Teyla, she has been irritating me the past 2 seasons.

[Reiko]

If it wasn't in the script then I doubt it.

I assume you've never acted before? The script just tells you what to say and general direction. It's your choice from there on out and to sculpt your character on your own or by the director.

[Fenrir Foxz]

I assume you've never acted before? The script just tells you what to say and general direction. It's your choice from there on out and to sculpt your character on your own or by the director.

I have, but then I don't see what difference that makes, Keller's role in this ep was clear and like you pointed out there is a director guiding how the scenes should play out.

[Jumper_One]

Because (yes, all pure speculation)-
1. You could not start a love triangle with Carson. He is too dignified than that.
2. TPTB are fanboys, and it was convenient because PM is not a big name like JS.
3. 'Shake things up'.
4. He isn't as young and pretty.
5. Keller would make a better best friend for Rodney.
6. He wasn't American.
7. Maybe no one would notice. Or care.
8. He lacks boobies, yo.

um big name? come on people know her from Firefly, Serenity and maybe the one X-Files ep. that's probably it


*Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! - annnnnd Number 8! We have a winner!!!*

LOL :D :P

[Cautious Explorer]

If that's the case then TPTB were aiming too high because it is impossible to get everyone to like something. I think they were trying to give some depth to Keller and start the ball rolling with developing her.

I agree. They were aiming too high. I doubt though, that they expected everyone to like Keller. But I'm sure they were hoping to win more people over than they alienated. I'm not sure they accomplished that.



JS portrayed Keller in the manner she was directed to. Who was she seeking pity from, the fans? I bought the fact that Keller was in a situation she wasn't prepared for and scared, I think quite a few people would have been terrified finding themselves off world in another galaxy, cut off from help and being hunter by savage cannibals.

Actors aren't machines. They all bring different things to a character, regardless of any direction they're given. It's possible another actress would have come across differently, despite the same writing and directing.

Many people would have been terrified. Not all would have reacted with the same level of whine, tears and noise. Personally, I would have had far more simpathy for someone who quietly shook in her boots, but that's just me.



My opinion doesn't have to make sense, it's my interpretation of Keller and how she reacted in the episode.
Sorry. I misunderstood you. I thought you were referring to Keller's reception in general as a likable character, not your own personal response. Of course you can like what you like -- no explanation required.



When I can understand where Keller's coming from and why she acted the way she did then yeah it does.

If you liked Keller in Missing, then you liked her. But you would still like her whether or not you had seen worse portrayals of terrified young women in horror films, wouldn't you? I stand by what I said. Just because there are worse performances, doesn't make this one great. I'm guessing you liked it for other reasons.


Each to their own, but I did and continue to see depth in Keller.

And I probably never will. It's all a matter of taste.

[Fenrir Foxz]

Actors aren't machines. They all bring different things to a character, regardless of any direction they're given. It's possible another actress would have come across differently, despite the same writing and directing.

Indeed, maybe with a different actress Keller's 'whining' for one thing might not have been such an issue for some fans, we'll never truly know, but the basic outline of who the Keller character is and acts like as set out by TPTB would be similar IMO.


Sorry. I misunderstood you. I thought you were referring to Keller's reception in general as a likable character, not your own personal response. Of course you can like what you like -- no explanation required.

No problem.


If you liked Keller in Missing, then you liked her. But you would still like her whether or not you had seen worse portrayals of terrified young women in horror films, wouldn't you? I stand by what I said. Just because there are worse performances, doesn't make this one great. I'm guessing you liked it for other reasons.

Yeah I would, it makes not difference how bad some movies / acting I've seen has been, I liked Keller in 'Missing' and it's because I could understand and sympathize why she acted the way she did.


And I probably never will. It's all a matter of taste.

:indeed:

[CazzBlade]

IfJS portrayed Keller in the manner she was directed to. Who was she seeking pity from, the fans? I bought the fact that Keller was in a situation she wasn't prepared for and scared, I think quite a few people would have been terrified finding themselves off world in another galaxy, cut off from help and being hunter by savage cannibals.


She should have been prepared for the possibilty that this might happen, I understand that you never know how you will react until it does but surely she wouldn't have been allowed off-world or even on Atlantis without being prepared in some way to face dangerous aliens.


um big name? come on people know her from Firefly, Serenity and maybe the one X-Files ep. that's probably it


Well I'd never heard of PM before Atlantis but I'd heard of JS.

[Blencathra]

She should have been prepared for the possibilty that this might happen, I understand that you never know how you will react until it does but surely she wouldn't have been allowed off-world or even on Atlantis without being prepared in some way to face dangerous aliens.


The thing is neither of them expected to find dangerous enemies on New Athos. Even Teyla was basically unprepared. When asked if she had a weapon she said


TEYLA: Just a knife. I was coming to visit my people – I did not believe I would need a gun.

So I'm assuming that even if Jennifer hadn't had any basic self defence training, no-one thought she would actually need any.

[Reefgirl]

I assume you've never acted before? The script just tells you what to say and general direction. It's your choice from there on out and to sculpt your character on your own or by the director.
See David Tennant in Dr Who, the man can say more with his facial expressions and body language than a lot of actors can with a complete script. You don't always need the words "My heart is breaking" or "I'm scared" to get the meaning across.

[Linda06]

Because (yes, all pure speculation)-
1. You could not start a love triangle with Carson. He is too dignified than that.
2. TPTB are fanboys, and it was convenient because PM is not a big name like JS.
3. 'Shake things up'.
4. He isn't as young and pretty.
5. Keller would make a better best friend for Rodney.
6. He wasn't American.
7. Maybe no one would notice. Or care.
8. He lacks boobies, yo.

Carson and Rodney had great scenes together...I don't really like Rodney all that much but i did love the Rodney/Carson banter..I miss that :(

Ohhh yeaahhhhh.....What's wrong with the Scottish :mckay: I'm Scottish :p


Did I mention he wouldn't look as good in leather? ;)

He would to me.....Well if they don't want him can i have him :D

[Fenrir Foxz]

She should have been prepared for the possibilty that this might happen, I understand that you never know how you will react until it does but surely she wouldn't have been allowed off-world or even on Atlantis without being prepared in some way to face dangerous aliens.

I'm not sure how she could have been prepared for that, should Keller have gone through basic weapons and hand to hand combat training, survival skills and whatnot? There is still the fact that it was a routine mission to see Teyla's people and even Teyla wasn't prepared for the mess they found themselves in. If Keller had been given a crash course in off world travel I still don't think she would have been prepared and would have been pushed to her limits in one way or another.

[Jumper_One]

Well I'd never heard of PM before Atlantis but I'd heard of JS.

Firefly premiered in 2002, Atlantis in 2004

[Ancavge]

Sgt. Dusty is to never be seeing again ever, unless she is showed getting fed upon by a wraith.

[Klenotka]

Sgt. Dusty was the only one who I liked in today´s episode. Walking cliché, maybe, but she was the only who knew what to do instead of confused running around.
I did mind Sheppard - I think he could finally say something more than just "crap" all the time and show some emotions after he lost one of his officers.
But I am not saying that I changed my mind and think that "Sheppard should go" :)

[kali1]

She should have been prepared for the possibility that this might happen, I understand that you never know how you will react until it does but surely she wouldn't have been allowed off-world or even on Atlantis without being prepared in some way to face dangerous aliens.



You are right Cazz. :D In real life, Keller would have never been issued a weapon unless she knew how to use it properly and safely. Even in a real life situation, no one knows how they will react in a situation however, if you are trained, you are prepared at least to expect the worst.

[Opener]

I voted other, as in none. I like them all.

[supersoldier34]

Keller. Her character is to unbelievable to play the part of a HMO of a base.

[Rac80]

After the way he went screaming and crying though the forest in Whispers...clone!carson needs to be put back in stasis! Not a good image for a man. :S

[kali1]

I tell ya...

I never want to see Lucius Lavin ever again. That man gives me the creeps!!

[Nusku]

I tell ya...

I never want to see Lucius Lavin ever again. That man gives me the creeps!!

He is officially the worst character in the history of TV EVAR!!!11!1!11!!.

I hated him. I really wished the SGA team had brutalised that pratt for a good while then slotted him execution stylie.

[Dr. Selene Ankarres]

woolsey go, teyla stay !

[Hong3103]

http://smiliesftw.com/x/shrug.gif (http://smiliesftw.com)

[x Varda x]

I voted for Woolsey. Nothing more than a useless bureaucrat :mckay:

[fumblesmcstupid]

I voted for Larrin waaaaaaaaaay before I knew that Keller was going to be the fricking annoying writer fave, scene hog, arm candy lame ass doctor wannabee that she was written as in the 5th season and totally ruined the show for me!

WOW if I knew THEN what I know NOW.....

Too bad my fortune telling gene hadn't kicked in yet!

Too bad we can't change our vote huh?

[Linda06]

I can't remember who I voted for but if I never seen Rodney again it'll be too soon :S

[DigiFluid]

I can't remember who I voted for but if I never seen Rodney again it'll be too soon :S

Your voting choice is the one in italics up there ;)

[danny.d]

He cannot act, and while the writers had something else in mind (Another Tealc), the character he seems to portray is that of a drugged up teenager, going through the whole, rebellious phase. He also does really weird things with his gun, which is very unrealistic. No one in their right mind would think of showing off and trying to look cool, when it's a matter of life and death. Overall, he is a very poor imitation of Tealc, sort of like a Tealc wannabe, but i don't blame Jason Mamoa for this, because it was the writers decision.
No disrespect to the Actor intended.
teal'c's mutant brother:cameron:

i pray that keller gets killed in a very painful way...before keller mc'kay was a pretty cool character, now he's a pussy, ewww

[Linda06]

Your voting choice is the one in italics up there ;)

huh. Really? heh I never even noticed that :o Well I voted for Larrin. Can I change my vote to McKay :p

[fumblesmcstupid]

Yah!!!

Can we change our votes?

I mean, we DO have the ability to change our minds........

[jelgate]

Yah!!!

Can we change our votes?

I mean, we DO have the ability to change our minds........

No. A poll can't be restarted for a thread

[fumblesmcstupid]

Well that is just.......*ohh raises hand* Mayhap the mods could start up a new and improved poll thingjiggy. That'd be cool!

[Encoder]

It's season five, ALL characters must go, Sale on for this weekend only! Only whilst stocks last!

:sheppard:

[Kontr4band]

I voted for teyla

[lordofseas]

I voted Woolsey. Because I love Elizabeth Weir.

[SleepZone]

As a CNA and someone going to school to become a doctor I'd like to see Keller go. In season 4 she was somewhat realistic at first. Then she became contrieved and got these titles, and became the head? She wasn't even experienced enough. I like how she also knew the cure to almost everything from surgery, to botony, to fixing Teyla to look like a queen then back, etc...

I also wasn't too big on Larrin as she made Sheppard look like a fool who chased tail too much. Come on he's super paranoid about Todd, who he has a working relation with, but he's open to trusting Larrin despite always somehow getting knocked out or tricked.

[Athram]

I voted for Teyla, she has always been the weakest character apart from Ford in my opinion.

[Falcon Horus]

I voted for Teyla, she has always been the weakest character apart from Ford in my opinion.

Well, that's not so difficult to be when one is completely ignored... :S

[Linda06]

Well, that's not so difficult to be when one is completely ignored... :S

Yep that's true. She is onyl the weakest character because for some reason or other TPTB refused to write anything substantial for her :rolleyes: That and their obvious obsession with certain characters ;)

[maxbo]

Yes, Teyla was severely wallpapered, but that doesn't make her a weak character, IMO, because despite the wallpapering I've always been interested in the character. A weak character to me is a character that I have no interest in knowing more about and Keller is that type of character. I thought she was better as a supporting character than a lead character. Unfortunately, TPTB didn't agree, which is why so much of SGA truly sucked for me when they started focusing on her too much.

[Pharaoh Atem]

teyla

[Linda06]

Yes, Teyla was severely wallpapered, but that doesn't make her a weak character, IMO, because despite the wallpapering I've always been interested in the character. A weak character to me is a character that I have no interest in knowing more about and Keller is that type of character. I thought she was better as a supporting character than a lead character. Unfortunately, TPTB didn't agree, which is why so much of SGA truly sucked for me when they started focusing on her too much.

I've always been interested in the character too :D So she wasn't weak to me. But the writing, well that's another story :rolleyes:

As for weak characters. People I have or had no interest in whatsoever, characters I couldn't care less if they lived or fell into a deep dark hole never to be seen from again. Well that accolade goes to the ever annoying Rodney McKay. I didn't care about him one little bit. I just wanted him to go away. So I guess SGA really wasn't the ideal show for me given the gross over abundance of McKay in the show :(

hmm I knew there was a reason I've never watched any SGA since it finished *shrugs*

[EvilSpaceAlien]

I'd get rid of McKay and replace him with Zelenka. Also more focus on Teyla and Ronon, dammit. This may seem strange to a lot people, but once upon a time, there was actually a four-men team. Unfortunately, two of the people on the team were made wallpaper of, and they dissappeared.

[maxbo]

I've always been interested in the character too :D So she wasn't weak to me. But the writing, well that's another story :rolleyes:

As for weak characters. People I have or had no interest in whatsoever, characters I couldn't care less if they lived or fell into a deep dark hole never to be seen from again. Well that accolade goes to the ever annoying Rodney McKay. I didn't care about him one little bit. I just wanted him to go away. So I guess SGA really wasn't the ideal show for me given the gross over abundance of McKay in the show :(

hmm I knew there was a reason I've never watched any SGA since it finished *shrugs*

Although I'm still fond of McKay, I understand why people hate the character because just as Teyla (and Ronon) suffered from being underused, Rodney suffered from being overused. As a result, by the end of Season 5, I was sick of him myself, so I can only imagine how painful the Rodney-overload had to be for those who didn't like the character.


I'd get rid of McKay and replace him with Zelenka. Also more focus on Teyla and Ronon, dammit. This may seem strange to a lot people, but once upon a time, there was actually a four-men team. Unfortunately, two of the people on the team were made wallpaper of, and they dissappeared.

That's not a bad idea because without Rodney, the writers would have been forced to focus more on the other characters for a change.

[Falcon Horus]

...so I can only imagine how painful the Rodney-overload had to be for those who didn't like the character.

Migraine inducing bad... and as I know how that feels from experience, I can sure tell that it's worse than that. :S


That's not a bad idea because without Rodney, the writers would have been forced to focus more on the other characters for a change.

One of my main reasons for choosing him.

[Linda06]

Although I'm still fond of McKay, I understand why people hate the character because just as Teyla (and Ronon) suffered from being underused, Rodney suffered from being overused. As a result, by the end of Season 5, I was sick of him myself, so I can only imagine how painful the Rodney-overload had to be for those who didn't like the character.



That's not a bad idea because without Rodney, the writers would have been forced to focus more on the other characters for a change.

hmm lets see. Getting my brain scooped out with a spoon - Having to listen to Rodney prattle on. Nope, I think i'd much rather have my brain scooped out by a spoon :S :p

I like Zelenka :D I would have had no problems with him being the main character :D

[EvilSpaceAlien]

I was sick of him myself, so I can only imagine how painful the Rodney-overload had to be for those who didn't like the character.

I would describe it as running out of a sauna and jump right into a big pile of snow. At first it feels nice to cool of (that's before McKay makes an appearnce in the eppy), but then McKay appears and everything turns painfully cold and you just want run inside and hide in the warm sauna until the horrible man goes away.

[Cold Fuzz]

McKay. Easily.

[jelgate]

Beckett. Bringing him back was still a bad idea

[Reiko]

posted: April 26th, 2008 11:34 AM
People are still discussing this?

Anyhow, my opinion remains the same. (I voted for Jennifer Keller). I don't find her interesting, she's a nuisance, and she takes up space. Unlike McKay (another character that got on my nerves in the later seasons), she's not particularly interesting or well-written.

However, I no longer believe that simply removing Keller would have fixed many of the show's problems, it would simply be removing a distraction. Fixing the show's problems would require a whole lot more.

[Falcon Horus]

People are still discussing this?

And much, much more... SGA & SG1 aren't yet covered with dust here on GW, in a manner of speaking of course. ;)

[ReplicatedJedi]

no one, liked all of them.

[JohnDuh]

People are still discussing this?


That was what I thought - but I guess we are now talking about who shouldn't be in the SGA movie :)

[s09119]

McKay. That might make the show passably watchable again.

[Skie]

Keller: I liked her first but after the ep "Missing", her character just got worse and in season 5 it got entirely annoying.
Michael: He should have gone a long time ago or just once make his appearance after season 3 ep 2.
Ronon: Worst actor in the show. All he has in his repertoire is that dumb smile of his. He is a ticking time bomb with his attitude.
Beckett: Should have never killed him off in season 3 but even worse and so unrealistic is his resurrection as a clone. Come on, cloning his whole memories, just wonder how Michael did that on this planet with no such equipment.

[Falcon Horus]

Ronon: Worst actor in the show. All he has in his repertoire is that dumb smile of his. He is a ticking time bomb with his attitude.

TPTW didn't give JM anything to do other than his three episodes over the course of 4 seasons - I guess all you do in that case is stand around and look pretty. *shrug*

[maxbo]

I'm remain surprised that Larrin has received so many votes because she was only in 2 episodes. I suppose that when this poll first came out voters were afraid that we would see more of her in future episodes and that made the character seem more prominent than she actually was in SGA.

As for Keller, even after all this time, that character is still awful. In fact, I think time has made her even worse because now that SGA is over, there's no longer any possibility of the character becoming less irritating. IMO, she was somewhat tolerable for much of Season 4, but by Season 5 she had become an overexposed, badly written Mary-Sue that diminished almost every scene she appeared in.

For me, Keller was/is the physical manifestation of everything I detested about the writing for Season 5.

[Skie]

TPTW didn't give JM anything to do other than his three episodes over the course of 4 seasons - I guess all you do in that case is stand around and look pretty. *shrug*

You are to easy on him. He had S2-5 to show his acting skills and we saw a lot of him in S2 but still the only thing I really can remember about him was having two smiles, the "nice" one and the "I can't wait to kill you" one. But there are all kinds of different emotions you can express with a smile: envy, sarcasm, uncertainness. Just look at McKay, this is a believable character. The other thing is, he never developed, ok that is not JM's fault. He just can do one thing, shooting and thanks to that he endangers people and jeopardize missions. We have seen that wraiths can be treacherous, honorable or sadistic, just like humans and they have no other food source than humans. Of course I feel for the humans in PG but the wraiths are not all evil. Still Ronon just wants to kill, kill, kill. You can't have someone like him on a team were you also need diplomatic skills to find a solution. Of course he has all reasons to hate the wraiths but I would like to see developing characters. If SGA wants to show people who can't get over their hatred, ok, but than the consequence is you can't have someone like him in those missions, so byebye.


I'm remain surprised that Larrin has received so many votes because she was only in 2 episodes. I suppose that when this poll first came out voters were afraid that we would see more of her in future episodes and that made the character seem more prominent than she actually was in SGA.

I enjoyed the character of Larrin. I also liked the idea of living only on ships because of the wraiths. Brought something new into SGA.