Different Actress for Elizabeth Wier

[Anubis21]

If i have read the new article posted on gateworld about Gost in the Machine it seems that Stargate has hired a new face to play Elizabeth Wier since Torri Higgonson was not going to reprive this role. How do ou feel about a different actress i mean there was a different actress to the intro of Dr. Wier in The lost city and Torri came in in season 8 of SG-1. What do you Think?

[ussrelativity]

I don't know if the character was recast, or the story rewritten accordingly. I've become accustomed to Torri's amazing performance over the last few years, and I'll reserve my judgment on how things turn out in regards to the new episode for now.

[PG15]

I think that part may have been rewritten and Weir won't appear at all.

[jenks]

According to the article, the replicators have managed to attain a level of ascension by turning themselves into 'fields of energy', if this is the case then I'm not convinced that she'll even need to be recast...

[Jumper_One]

did you read teh article?

Weir will not be played by actress Torri Higginson, who turned down the offer to appear in the episode. Instead the script was rewritten so that the cliffhanger could be resolved and the story continued without her.

EDIT: what PG15 and jenks said

[Ice Wolf]

looks like they've re-written it with Fran instead of Elizabeth :rolleyes:

Seeing as its the 5th episode, no wonder they couldn't get Torri back when they seemed to leave it so late to contact her.

[PG15]

looks like they've re-written it with Fran instead of Elizabeth :rolleyes:

I don't think so. Otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned both of them in the synopsis.

I think this may have been the original story, before the rewrites.

[Torri012]

different actress for WEIR??
there is no replacement for Torri :( at least not for me... for me a new actress is not going to be weir.. i will imagine her as another character because Torri = Weir > not someone else :cool:

i know they changed it in SG-1 aswell but it surely wasnt an THAT important role so it didnt matter much there....

i rather have no Weir in the whole series anymore, than a faked one!

[jenks]

It's weird how people seem to magically lose the ability to read whenever it suits them...

[Vala_M]

I personally, would worry about Weir being recast until it's stated otherwise from a reputable source.

Vala,

[Torri012]

It's weird how people seem to magically lose the ability to read whenever it suits them...

well, you wanted to know what we think so .... :cool:

[sueKay]

I think now I definitely completely understand Torri's decision not to do this episode...she really definitely wouldn't have been portraying Weir in this episode...she'd be portraying a 'ghost' of a copy of a copy of Weir...

Not working for me

[ark-of-continuum]

Well, if Torri can't have to go back even to the cameo, I agree with that. I believe, writers already have modifed script for "Ghost in the Machine" episode and focused on FRAN. And... I will quite happy with that!

I like Dr. Weir so much, she is one of the hottest and strongest women character in SGA, but FRAN!!!
Man... If I slowly go down to the sweet garden with a Replicator one day, it definitely will be FRAN. Oh, actress Michelle Morgan did great job in 4x11 episode! And i have two shaking hands in the air about see her again on the show. No question.

And, if anybody from producers room read that: We want to more guest appearances. But thank you for good & cool Season 4 + awesome 4x20 episode! And we wanna more, as always. :ford: :beckett:

[jenks]

I think now I definitely completely understand Torri's decision not to do this episode...she really definitely wouldn't have been portraying Weir in this episode...she'd be portraying a 'ghost' of a copy of a copy of Weir...

Not working for me

Torri never knew what the plot would be, she refused before even being told.

[JohnRico]

They will probably have the Weir on the ship be a fake Weir & then Replicator Weir transforms into someone else. Thats pretty much the only plausible explanation on how to write Weir out

[Ice Wolf]

They will probably have the Weir on the ship be a fake Weir & then Replicator Weir transforms into someone else. Thats pretty much the only plausible explanation on how to write Weir out

Since when have the PTB been worried about plausible lately??

[JohnRico]

Since when have the PTB been worried about plausible lately??

True but in the case of Weir they should more then likely have fake Weir transform into someone else & Weir will officially be dead outside of Torri turning them down. Unless they have some kind of 3D Model of Torri to use lol

[Falcon Horus]

From the information and the title of the episode, I'm guessing all Torri had to do was a voice over... or be nothing more than a voice. Unless FRAN is now doing that part of course...which is possible.

Weir will probably appear as text only.

[jasminaGo]

Since the Weir that first showed up in LC was a blonde, changing the actress for some sort of cameo in the episode wouldn't surprise me.

[Suzotchka]

I can't see them recasting the role of Elizabeth Weir at this point in time. As far as I'm concerned, Torri is the only one who can play the role with grace and class.

Torri didn't want to reprise the role, and I think that TPTB are going to just kill off the character.

[Torri012]

I can't see them recasting the role of Elizabeth Weir at this point in time. As far as I'm concerned, Torri is the only one who can play the role with grace and class.

Torri didn't want to reprise the role, and I think that TPTB are going to just kill off the character.

but how do they want to kill the character off? - i mean .. if they do they need to bring her story somehow into the show, just saying 'she is dead' doesnt work because we all have seen be all my sins rememberd ... you need at least show her dead body in the show, otherwise she isnt dead ;) and for that you need the actress (TH) again :P

the only way to bring her out is just to 'forget' her... but than her character would still run around in pegasus for us fans :P :D

[Briangate78]

I wish they just would of killed off Weir in "This Mortal Coil" and be done with it. Just glad this is the 5th episode. Let's be done with it, end the story and move onto something bigger and better.

[FoolishPleasure]

Torri never knew what the plot would be, she refused before even being told.

Mallozzi said (on his blog) they sent her an outline of the story. Torri said repeatedly that she would return to SGA IF they presented her with a good script. Apparently she didn't care for what she read, or it wasn't worth making the trip to Vancouver.

Replacing her would suck. I wouldn't bother watching.

[Platschu]

I would like to see rather Fran than a replaced Weir. Maybe Jessica Steen could return, but it won't happen and these would be the biggest betrayal against Torri Higginson.

If RepliWeir ascended than she doesn't need a body. It can be interesting how will the "digital ascended being" look like? Will they have an own ascended form like the Ori, Anubis or the Ancients?

I hope the story will involve the black smoke from Hide and Seek and the Ancient planet from Epiphany. These are all related to ascension. :)

On the other hand, what will the closure for this storyline? If they can ascend than why shouldn't they destroy Atlantis because of the explosion of Asuran? Will Chaya appear fight against an ascended Replicator? That would be so original! :lol:

[Vala Valkyrie]

If they ever need another actress to play Weir, they could always ask Lena Headey from Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles - she has the right look and I can imagine her as Weir.

[Killdeer]

If they ever need another actress to play Weir, they could always ask Lena Headey from Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles - she has the right look and I can imagine her as Weir.

I can't imagine that they could afford Lena Headey.

[Ladyinred]

I can't imagine that they could afford Lena Headey.

The same here. Plus I hope Fox will renew Sarah Connor Chronicles for another season, so Lena is going to be busy.

[Jumper_One]

Mallozzi said (on his blog) they sent her an outline of the story. Torri said repeatedly that she would return to SGA IF they presented her with a good script. Apparently she didn't care for what she read, or it wasn't worth making the trip to Vancouver.

Replacing her would suck. I wouldn't bother watching.

actually Joe said

As season four wrapped, Carl and Paul got to spinning and came up with a terrific storyline that picked up where that last scene of BAMSR left off. We had a story in place for one episode, the starting point of a potentially bigger arc. The script was written and we eventually contacted Torri who, after much consideration, turned down the offer to reprise the role of Elizabeth Weir for the episode. We are, of course, disappointed, but nevertheless respect Torri’s decision and wish her all the best in her future endeavors.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/02/08/february-8-2008-books-anime-and-a-behind-the-scenes-development/

[ACharmedAsgard]

I'm quite confident that Weir will be portrayed as a voice or even just an energy form with Torri's face implanted on it if they went that far.

I'm just saddened that Torri refused to do it, I mean as an actor myself I would have done it for the fans - not giving a hoot about TPTB and only on the condition that TPTB would kill off my character completely or at least put my character in a position where they would never been seen again. And that way I would not have to deal with them again and the fans aren't left in the lurch

But that is simply My opinion

[Linzi]

actually Joe said

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/02/08/february-8-2008-books-anime-and-a-behind-the-scenes-development/
Also when someone asked why Torri turned down the chance to appear, this is was what JM answered on his blog:

Answer: I understand the fans’ desire to support Torri, but I don’t find it fair or helpful to speculate on the reasons for her declining the offer. As I wrote in yesterday’s entry, we fully respect and support Torri’s decision and wish her all the best. For the record, however, it wasn’t a specific script issue. The content of the script (which has yet to be delivered) was never even discussed.


http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/february-10-2008-on-the-move/

I don't really mind what is done. I'll watch the episode and see what I think. As Torri turned down the chance to appear, and thus didn't choose to, or wasn't able to appear, then I don't have a problem with the story being continued without her, or with Weir being portrayed by someone else.

[Suzotchka]

If they're just going to replace Torri with someone else to portray Weir, then, why even bother reducing or getting rid of Torri at all? TPTB should've (and could've) avoided all this drama by just making a point to keep Weir on full time and keeping Torri.

Replacing Weir with another actress at this point in time is like replacing Sheppard or McKay with another actor.

[FoolishPleasure]

Also when someone asked why Torri turned down the chance to appear, this is was what JM answered on his blog:

Answer: I understand the fans’ desire to support Torri, but I don’t find it fair or helpful to speculate on the reasons for her declining the offer. As I wrote in yesterday’s entry, we fully respect and support Torri’s decision and wish her all the best. For the record, however, it wasn’t a specific script issue. The content of the script (which has yet to be delivered) was never even discussed.


Be careful with JM's blog. He "embellishes" just a tad. I like the recent post where he took full credit for the idea to hire Ben Browder on SG1. But Cooper said SciFi asked them to use Browder because they (Skiffy) really liked him a lot and he had a huge fan base.

Gotta laugh. ;)

[Southern Red]

Hiring another actress to play Weir would be just another bad decision in a long line of bad decisions. So it's what we can probably expect from these people.

I liked Fran and see no problem with a Replicator story involving her. They will probably have either her or another character say that they once had the form of Weir but found it was no longer useful or some such blather. Easy enough done and she's history.

If they were really smart they would have her disembodied form stick around as a part of Atlantis. After all she spent 10,000 years in stasis to save the expedition before when she hardly knew them. Now that they are her closest friends, she could be a comfort for them. And I could change my sig to read She's In There. LOL

[Anuna]

I think now I definitely completely understand Torri's decision not to do this episode...she really definitely wouldn't have been portraying Weir in this episode...she'd be portraying a 'ghost' of a copy of a copy of Weir...

Not working for me

Agreed. This sounds ridiculous. They would end up changing Weir to the point of unrecognizable. It doesn't work for me. Weir is my favorite character and I'm glad she's not back. I think that says it all.

[Falcon Horus]

...and I think that TPTB are going to just kill off the character.

They are going to delete her - Ghost in the Machine - that screams deletion. :p

[Anuna]

Also when someone asked why Torri turned down the chance to appear, this is was what JM answered on his blog:

Answer: I understand the fans’ desire to support Torri, but I don’t find it fair or helpful to speculate on the reasons for her declining the offer. As I wrote in yesterday’s entry, we fully respect and support Torri’s decision and wish her all the best. For the record, however, it wasn’t a specific script issue. The content of the script (which has yet to be delivered) was never even discussed.




Well of course they support Torri's decision. They wanted her out of the show in the first place.

[jenks]

If they're just going to replace Torri with someone else to portray Weir, then, why even bother reducing or getting rid of Torri at all?

What has one got to do with the other? They wanted her character to go in a different direction, it's not their fault she refused to come back.


TPTB should've (and could've) avoided all this drama by just making a point to keep Weir on full time and keeping Torri.

How would that solve the situation? They don't want her back full time.


Replacing Weir with another actress at this point in time is like replacing Sheppard or McKay with another actor.


No it's not, as far as I'm aware neither Joe F or David H have refused to reprise their roles.

[Mr.Dr.Prof.Col.John Sheppard]

I don't know if the character was recast, or the story rewritten accordingly. I've become accustomed to Torri's amazing performance over the last few years, and I'll reserve my judgment on how things turn out in regards to the new episode for now.

i think it was rewritten to be a cliff hanger. i as well have liked torri higginsons role of weir but i think a new face would be refreshing

[Ice Wolf]

What has one got to do with the other? They wanted her character to go in a different direction, it's not their fault she refused to come back.

They (TPTB) wanted Weir off the show. I guess you could call that a different direction. :rolleyes: We don't know why Torri 'refused' to come back, it could very well be their fault.



No it's not, as far as I'm aware neither Joe F or David H have refused to reprise their roles.

They haven't been essentially fired yet either and I believe that they were still under contracted to do S5 as long as TPTB wanted them in it.

[Killdeer]

I don't know what they're planning, but I would prefer them not recast the role. I would prefer they just explain away her absence somehow.

[Eri13]

"Ghost in the Machine" seems to indicate that no corporeal body is necessary--which is a perfect fit for a situation where the actress has agreed not to corporeally reprise her role. Most references to the 'ghost in the machine' in pop culture are to a consciousness trapped in a mechanical body or computer system.

Sounds like they might be downloading Elizabeth's conscious mind into Atlantis--which would be symbolically fitting for Weir, in a way. There is no voice or physical requirement for a person to appear in this fashion--the big 'shocker' could be Elizabeth 'typing' herself onto their screens. ("Hi, I'm here, what did Woolsey do to my office?!")

It's the Carson/Kindred situation all over again, only Elizabeth's not in a stasis pod, she's actually inside the city.

What intrigues me about this episode is that Carl Binder wrote it, who has a track record of writing good Elizabeth episodes. I'll be interested to see if this is the avenue he and TPTB take. If Elizabeth 'hangs around' in Atlantis, or is contained in the computers of Atlantis, it could pave the way for future appearances by the Weir character.

I don't really see them recasting Weir, not for one episode--you'd have to explain to the casual viewer she is Weir, when she may only get a couple of scenes, at best. If she does go corporeal, I believe she may channel through Fran.

[Ruined_puzzle]

Seeing as its the 5th episode, no wonder they couldn't get Torri back when they seemed to leave it so late to contact her.

I know, I was thinking maybe it would be in the second half but 5th episode. Why wait so long so contact the actress?

From looking at the info at GW it doesn't look like Weir would have had a huge presence screen wise anyways.

[Reiko]

Seeing as its the 5th episode, no wonder they couldn't get Torri back when they seemed to leave it so late to contact her.

That's what I though. 5th episode is quite early for the timeframe that they needed to contact her. Of course I'm not dismissing other possibilities either, but it's not exactly mine to speculate :rolleyes:


I can't see them recasting the role of Elizabeth Weir at this point in time. As far as I'm concerned, Torri is the only one who can play the role with grace and class.
[...]If they're just going to replace Torri with someone else to portray Weir, then, why even bother reducing or getting rid of Torri at all? TPTB should've (and could've) avoided all this drama by just making a point to keep Weir on full time and keeping Torri.


I agree with you Suz ... no one else can replace Elizabeth for me. Torri won the character over for me and I wouldn't like another actress to play her. If they did, it would be out of TPTB's desperation. Or stupidity - like Southern Red said it's another stupid mistake in a long line of stupid mistakes. They could of avoided putting fandom in chaos from the beginning. Look where we are now.


actually Joe said

And we blindly trust what Mallozzi says? ;) What FoolishPleasure said - that man embellishes pretty much everything.


They are going to delete her - Ghost in the Machine - that screams deletion. :p

It's kind of pushing the "DELETE" button. Maybe Rodney will accidentally forget to press "SAVE" while snooping around on Atlantis' systems. Oops :P


If she does go corporeal, I believe she may channel through Fran.

Or through Teyla. It would give Teyla something to do :D

[jelgate]

I know, I was thinking maybe it would be in the second half but 5th episode. Why wait so long so contact the actress?

From looking at the info at GW it doesn't look like Weir would have had a huge presence screen wise anyways.

And whose to say that the epiosde list remained unchanged when Torri decided not to continue her role. I imagine they had an arc in plan for her. When she declined, I think TPTB had to restructure their season.

[alyssa]

I think that part may have been rewritten and Weir won't appear at all.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I hope you're right.

Recasting Weir would be the biggest joke ever. Especially after the uproar over Torri being sacked and offered only recurring work in the first place.

For me, the dumping of Beckett and Weir, and the subsequent moves to bring them back, which I'm sure are only attempts to appease the fans, were the beginning of the end for this show. It's a shadow of its former self, and becoming cartoonish, IMO.

[Reiko]

For me, the dumping of Beckett and Weir, and the subsequent moves to bring them back, which I'm sure are only attempts to appease the fans, were the beginning of the end for this show. It's a shadow of its former self, and becoming cartoonish, IMO.
:(


RIP Stargate Atlantis (S1-S3)

... Now, a moment of silence ...

[SGFerrit]

Not everyone goes up in arms when a couple of characters die, and tbh I think it's pretty obvious that Carson was bought back because the new management WANTED him back. I don't know about Weir, but I'm sure there are ways around Torri's decision to not return.

If season 4 was as bad as some say it is, we wouldn't be getting a season 5, and a season 6 wouldn't be looking as likely as it is. I'd say there's a good 75%+ chance that the show will go on into 2010. Views of season 4 are opinion, it will rest on how many viewers there are. The season 3 viewers were retained and the numbers are going up, so I think alot of people have enjoyed the new direction of the show. I am personally very dissapointed we won't see Torri again, but I'm sure I'll live, and it seems so will the 'casual' viewers, if the ratings are anything to go by. The show isn't dying, not yet anyway.

[alyssa]

Not everyone goes up in arms when a couple of characters die, and tbh I think it's pretty obvious that Carson was bought back because the new management WANTED him back. I don't know about Weir, but I'm sure there are ways around Torri's decision to not return.

If season 4 was as bad as some say it is, we wouldn't be getting a season 5, and a season 6 wouldn't be looking as likely as it is. I'd say there's a good 75%+ chance that the show will go on into 2010. Views of season 4 are opinion, it will rest on how many viewers there are. The season 3 viewers were retained and the numbers are going up, so I think alot of people have enjoyed the new direction of the show. I am personally very dissapointed we won't see Torri again, but I'm sure I'll live, and it seems so will the 'casual' viewers, if the ratings are anything to go by. The show isn't dying, not yet anyway.


The only way to get the magical 100 eps was to get a season 5 happening. IMO, THAT is why they were given it. That and the fact that everything else they have is even crappier.

[Briangate78]

Not everyone goes up in arms when a couple of characters die, and tbh I think it's pretty obvious that Carson was bought back because the new management WANTED him back. I don't know about Weir, but I'm sure there are ways around Torri's decision to not return.

If season 4 was as bad as some say it is, we wouldn't be getting a season 5, and a season 6 wouldn't be looking as likely as it is. I'd say there's a good 75%+ chance that the show will go on into 2010. Views of season 4 are opinion, it will rest on how many viewers there are. The season 3 viewers were retained and the numbers are going up, so I think alot of people have enjoyed the new direction of the show. I am personally very dissapointed we won't see Torri again, but I'm sure I'll live, and it seems so will the 'casual' viewers, if the ratings are anything to go by. The show isn't dying, not yet anyway.

I look at a thing called ratings as well. The ratings say the show is appealing to people since they maintained their viewers and even could of grown in audience from last seaon, wow shocker huh? :p ;)

I am in the same boat as you are. As soon as Torri declined I said, ok time to move on, I am dissapointed but cannot dwell on it. This season exceeded my expectations after "The Kindred" aired. I was very impressed with Carson's return.

[ACharmedAsgard]

I didn't want Torri to go, never have. But I'm not going to stop watching the show because of it.

All actors have helped contribute to making the show good - most of the original characters remain in the show. By giving up on the show or showing how 'bad' it is would be telling the other actors that they were 'unimportant' or haven't contributed.

But on topic - If they wanted her dead she should stay dead. I wouldn't like another actress to replace weir it's either Torri or no one.

[ToasterOnFire]

No recasting, please. There's no reason why they can't revisit the ascending replicator plotline without a new Weir or ghost!Weir or whatever.


The only way to get the magical 100 eps was to get a season 5 happening. IMO, THAT is why they were given it. That and the fact that everything else they have is even crappier.
I dont know about the 100 eps but yes, TPTB are very lucky to have their show on skiffy, where a 1.4 rating is considered fantastic nowadays. :S

[Briangate78]

No recasting, please. There's no reason why they can't revisit the ascending replicator plotline without a new Weir or ghost!Weir or whatever.


I dont know about the 100 eps but yes, TPTB are very lucky to have their show on skiffy, where a 1.4 rating is considered fantastic nowadays. :S

A 1.4 was like a 1.6 maybe even a 1.7 back when Season 3 first aired. But getting back on topic. If they recast, I would be upset as well. Torri will always be Weir to me, um except for "Lost City" :p But you know what I mean.

[FoolishPleasure]

The only way to get the magical 100 eps was to get a season 5 happening. IMO, THAT is why they were given it. That and the fact that everything else they have is even crappier.

Skiffy actually had replacement shows for both Stargates, because the shyster firm of Hammer and Stern wanted to have 100% NBC funded shows (which doesn't include SGA OR SG1). Dreadful Files, Painful(towatch) Jane, and Flush Gordon were supposed to be the new golden children yet no one came to watch. Now Skiffy doesn't have a whole lot in their arsenal except for SGA, a couple reality shows, a lame duck BSG, and a bunch of reruns of other shows. They had to give SGA a season 5 just to put something new on the air.

[Ice Wolf]

No recasting, please. There's no reason why they can't revisit the ascending replicator plotline without a new Weir or ghost!Weir or whatever.


I dont know about the 100 eps but yes, TPTB are very lucky to have their show on skiffy, where a 1.4 rating is considered fantastic nowadays. :S
They are really lucky that it's one of the only shows on SciFi that rates. SciFi have nothing to replace it with. If they canceled it they would have to find something new and start from scratch.

[Ice Wolf]

A 1.4 was like a 1.6 maybe even a 1.7 back when Season 3 first aired. But getting back on topic. If they recast, I would be upset as well. Torri will always be Weir to me, um except for "Lost City" :p But you know what I mean.

Does the Season 3 ratings include the delayed viewings which they seem to rave about now??

[Briangate78]

Does the Season 3 ratings include the delayed viewings which they seem to rave about now??

Yes, they do.

[Ruined_puzzle]

Ice Wolf I love your sig. :D

[Reiko]

Not everyone goes up in arms when a couple of characters die, and tbh I think it's pretty obvious that Carson was bought back because the new management WANTED him back.

Actually, not really. Fans started writing letters before "Sunday" even aired in Canada, and then Mallozzi was busy soothing the American fans that "there was no need to worry and you'll be happy with what we did." Uh, no - we have the internets nowadays, Mister Mallozzi, and find things out. Many Carson fans had hope he would be revived in the season openers, which was very much possible. The timeframe fits it, given the spoilers were leaked way before Sunday aired and even more so before the S4 cast was released. Instead, they decided not to.

Despite the fact that the old management killed Carson, I would take them over the new management anyday. As a big Carson fan that's a pretty powerful statement IMO.


If season 4 was as bad as some say it is, we wouldn't be getting a season 5, and a season 6 wouldn't be looking as likely as it is.

Skiffy is desperate. Other posters have mentioned their failed prospective "golden children". There will be nothing left to air but Ghost Plumbers, the crap they call "Sci-fi original movies" and freaking wrestling. They need a few credible series :P


The season 3 viewers were retained and the numbers are going up, so I think alot of people have enjoyed the new direction of the show. I am personally very dissapointed we won't see Torri again, but I'm sure I'll live, and it seems so will the 'casual' viewers, if the ratings are anything to go by. The show isn't dying, not yet anyway.

Season 3 viewers are not retained - or they at least switched their audience. I have no idea where they're getting those numbers - Nielsen is lies. Random sampling with a whole bunch of holes in it. It only records US viewers, in which only certain households have them funky boxes.

The show isn't dying. The SGA of the past is dead.

[Fenrir Foxz]

The show isn't dying. The SGA of the past is dead.

That is purely a matter of perception...

[Killdeer]

I don't really see them recasting Weir, not for one episode--you'd have to explain to the casual viewer she is Weir, when she may only get a couple of scenes, at best. If she does go corporeal, I believe she may channel through Fran.

You're a good guesser Eri.

From Stargate Solutions:

http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/blog/?p=1213


Those in Atlantis are surprised to find that the ghost of Elizabeth Weir lives on — in a new body that looks just like FRAN (Friendly Replicator ANdroid from “Be All My Sins Remember’d”)!

[kymeric]

Hiring another actress to play Weir would be just another bad decision in a long line of bad decisions. So it's what we can probably expect from these people.

I liked Fran and see no problem with a Replicator story involving her. They will probably have either her or another character say that they once had the form of Weir but found it was no longer useful or some such blather. Easy enough done and she's history.

If they were really smart they would have her disembodied form stick around as a part of Atlantis. After all she spent 10,000 years in stasis to save the expedition before when she hardly knew them. Now that they are her closest friends, she could be a comfort for them. And I could change my sig to read She's In There. LOL

Like oma/morgan watched over sg1?

[Ruined_puzzle]

You're a good guesser Eri.

From Stargate Solutions:

http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/blog/?p=1213



Hey more chances to see emo!John. ;)

I think it will depend on whether the actress can actually pull off a convincing Elizabeth Weir. She needs to watch old SGA episodes.

It looks like this was always the plan and Torri was just needed for maybe flashbacks, which you know sucks.

[Ice Wolf]

Hey more chances to see emo!John. ;)

I think it will depend on whether the actress can actually pull off a convincing Elizabeth Weir. She needs to watch old SGA episodes.

It looks like this was always the plan and Torri was just needed for maybe flashbacks, which you know sucks.
I think its a pretty big cop out. They should have just rewritten it properly if they still wanted to do the replicator-ascension story. The Disemboided Replicators could of hinted that Weir was out their somewhere in a ship with the rest of the rebel replicators and every body would be happish with the outcome. Or came up with another story invovling Fran coming back.

[Briangate78]

Actually, not really. Fans started writing letters before "Sunday" even aired in Canada, and then Mallozzi was busy soothing the American fans that "there was no need to worry and you'll be happy with what we did." Uh, no - we have the internets nowadays, Mister Mallozzi, and find things out. Many Carson fans had hope he would be revived in the season openers, which was very much possible. The timeframe fits it, given the spoilers were leaked way before Sunday aired and even more so before the S4 cast was released. Instead, they decided not to.

Despite the fact that the old management killed Carson, I would take them over the new management anyday. As a big Carson fan that's a pretty powerful statement IMO.



Skiffy is desperate. Other posters have mentioned their failed prospective "golden children". There will be nothing left to air but Ghost Plumbers, the crap they call "Sci-fi original movies" and freaking wrestling. They need a few credible series :P



Season 3 viewers are not retained - or they at least switched their audience. I have no idea where they're getting those numbers - Nielsen is lies. Random sampling with a whole bunch of holes in it. It only records US viewers, in which only certain households have them funky boxes.

The show isn't dying. The SGA of the past is dead.

Skiffy is Desperate? No no no, if they were desperate they would of renewed Flash Gordon, in a um Flash. Also PKJ would of been entering it's 2nd season as well.

No offense Reiko, have you even seen the recent ratings and numbers for Atlantis? Their finale pulled over 1 million viewers over the Network's primetime average. I would think Skiffy would be complete morons to cancel a show that pulls this many viewers over their network primetime average. Atlantis turned around with "Missing". Keeping most of their eps at a decent viewer number or even better. Funny how they made Atlantis lead into Atlantis and added them on the 5pm slot right before SG-1 @ 6pm. Ever since that, the ratings and viewers have been going up and staying steady.

As per Carson, his eps delivered. I was truly impressed with his return.

[jenks]

They (TPTB) wanted Weir off the show. I guess you could call that a different direction. :rolleyes: We don't know why Torri 'refused' to come back, it could very well be their fault.

Obviously not, or they wouldn't have written her into as many episodes as they did and they wouldn't have tried to get her back for season 5.



They haven't been essentially fired yet either and I believe that they were still under contracted to do S5 as long as TPTB wanted them in it.

Which only goes further toward proving my point.


I can't believe I'm saying this, but I hope you're right.

Recasting Weir would be the biggest joke ever. Especially after the uproar over Torri being sacked and offered only recurring work in the first place.

For me, the dumping of Beckett and Weir, and the subsequent moves to bring them back, which I'm sure are only attempts to appease the fans, were the beginning of the end for this show. It's a shadow of its former self, and becoming cartoonish, IMO.

It was.

[kiwigater]

OK folks, let stay on topic please.

Personally I'm sad Torri chose not to reprise her role, but I can certainly understand and respect that decision. :)

[Pitry]

Here's me hoping the Gateworld version is more accurate than the Solutions one.
I'm not crazy about the idea either way, but I prefer it this way than re-casting Elizabeth as Fran.

[jenks]

Hope fully Darren can clear this up...

[KindlyKeller]

I actually preferred the first Weir way back on SG-1 Season 7, but given that Torri portrayed her for 4 years, it would obviously be more of a stretch to replace her now. That doesn't seem to be an issue anyway, though. Whichever direction they go with this, of the two that have been discussed in this thread, I'm fine with either.

[Killdeer]

Here's me hoping the Gateworld version is more accurate than the Solutions one.
I'm not crazy about the idea either way, but I prefer it this way than re-casting Elizabeth as Fran.

I don't think they contradict each other. The Solutions spoilers are just more detailed.

Really, it's not a bad idea in theory. It's a great way to get around the problem of not having Torri. I just am having a hard time with it because I liked FRAN as, well, FRAN. Not FRAN!Elizabeth.

[alyssa]

I don't think they contradict each other. The Solutions spoilers are just more detailed.

Really, it's not a bad idea in theory. It's a great way to get around the problem of not having Torri. I just am having a hard time with it because I liked FRAN as, well, FRAN. Not FRAN!Elizabeth.

Yeah, well I liked Elizabeth as Elizabeth before they screwed the character over beyond all recognition.

The name "Ghost in the Machine" gives the impression that Weir was always supposed to be a disembodied voice, as the rest of the replicators apparently are in this episode, which would lead me to believe that it was only ever going to be a voiceover role. If that's what they'd put to her, then I'm not surprised Torri said no. And if that's what they said would possibly lead to a bigger arc, then again, I'm not surprised she said no to sticking around as a frigging disembodied voice.

It smacks of them saying "Well let's offer her something, even though we don't want her, just so we can say we tried when she says no". The idea being that the fans get pissed off with Torri instead of with TPTB.

[Linzi]

I don't think they contradict each other. The Solutions spoilers are just more detailed.

Really, it's not a bad idea in theory. It's a great way to get around the problem of not having Torri. I just am having a hard time with it because I liked FRAN as, well, FRAN. Not FRAN!Elizabeth.
Yes. I can see what you mean here.

You liked Fran as herself. I did too. But, spoilers for GitM:

maybe it will still be Fran as such, but just with Weir's memories? The essence of Weir's thoughts and aims? So perhaps an amalgam of both? Or maybe it'll be totally just Fran, with nothing of Weir but her memories? Thus none of her mannerisms?

[Suzotchka]

To me, putting Weir's memory in Fran (if that's what they're going to do) is just another rip-off of an SG-1 plot. Afterall, Sam did have Jolinar's memories.

If they wanted to keep Weir's memory around, they could've just kept Torri.

And the very fact that people are still talking about Elizabeth Weir and still creating threads about her, just shows me that she was (and still is) a popular character and that TPTB were wrong to reduce her/get rid of her.

[timtonruben359]

They will not be recasting Wier. From what Gateworld has said, Wier will most likely have ascended and will be refered to in passing by Fran but NOT appear on screen.

As for why Torri declined to reappear, that was her decision and that as they say is that.

[g.o.d]

OMG, this is even worse than I've been expecting....

[Eri13]

Hey more chances to see emo!John. ;)

I think it will depend on whether the actress can actually pull off a convincing Elizabeth Weir. She needs to watch old SGA episodes.

It looks like this was always the plan and Torri was just needed for maybe flashbacks, which you know sucks.

I don't think they initially intended to have Fran be in this episode--this was supposed to be Torri. During Joe's blog entries around the whole BAMSR end/Torri decision month, he mentioned how much they'd liked Fran and they'd consider having her back--but he did not mention that she would be back.

Is this discussion spoiler tagged or not? I can't remember:


I have a feeling the story modification went from having 'Elizabeth' show up, however they planned to have her appear (virtually or physically) and eventually become the ghost in the machine, to having Fran be her voice and form when Torri opted not to return. It's an easy modification to make, to have Fran 'explain' herself as the disembodied Weir, providing Michelle Morgan can be convincing. Though I do agree with above, I liked her as Fran, not Fran-as-Elizabeth.

Though we don't know everything, I'm assuming, based on what JoeM said, that the script has only been modified, not completely re-written--so the intention was to have Weir appear as the 'Ghost in the Machine' all along. Now it's a matter of how they make it happen, and using Fran seems to be the easiest way to go.

[Killdeer]

I don't think they initially intended to have Fran be in this episode--this was supposed to be Torri. During Joe's blog entries around the whole BAMSR end/Torri decision month, he mentioned how much they'd liked Fran and they'd consider having her back--but he did not mention that she would be back.

Is this discussion spoiler tagged or not? I can't remember:


I have a feeling the story modification went from having 'Elizabeth' show up, however they planned to have her appear (virtually or physically) and eventually become the ghost in the machine, to having Fran be her voice and form when Torri opted not to return. It's an easy modification to make, to have Fran 'explain' herself as the disembodied Weir, providing Michelle Morgan can be convincing. Though I do agree with above, I liked her as Fran, not Fran-as-Elizabeth.

Though we don't know everything, I'm assuming, based on what JoeM said, that the script has only been modified, not completely re-written--so the intention was to have Weir appear as the 'Ghost in the Machine' all along. Now it's a matter of how they make it happen, and using Fran seems to be the easiest way to go.

I agree. I think that's probably pretty close to what happened. And it may not even have been titled Ghost in the Machine originally, because I think GitM refers to Elizabeth's ghost in FRAN, who is a machine.

[Pitry]

I don't think they contradict each other. The Solutions spoilers are just more detailed.

Really, it's not a bad idea in theory. It's a great way to get around the problem of not having Torri. I just am having a hard time with it because I liked FRAN as, well, FRAN. Not FRAN!Elizabeth.

Question is, is the story sustainable without Weir. The Pegasus replicators have been Elizabeth's story from Progeny til First Strike, and even all the replicators stories in season 4 were also Elizabeth stories. It is something I suspect the writers are aware of as well - |(solution spoilers)by writing Fran as Elizabeth instead as another replicator, they're in fact admitting that this story has no indipendent existance of its own. It;s there to serve a broader story, the Elizabeth Weir one - not vice versa.
Unlike SG1, where the replicators had existence outside of any specific character's arc - up til season 8's New Order, actually - here the replicators = Weir. Which raises the question. Why bother continuing the story at all if the character who's the centre of that story and the main one the story serves is gone?

...I won't pretend to be unbiased in this - I loved Elizabeth - in season 3. I dind't like her much before but she quickly became my favourite after Rodney in season 3, when I felt the writing was serving her well, specifically in episodes such as he Real World and The Return (granted, also in the season opener and Tao of Rodney.. :)).,, and I'm completely uninterested in the replicator arc as an arc. For me it's there to serve Weir.

[PG15]

Unlike SG1, where the replicators had existence outside of any specific character's arc - up til season 8's New Order, actually - here the replicators = Weir. Which raises the question. Why bother continuing the story at all if the character who's the centre of that story and the main one the story serves is gone?

Simply because they "ended" the storyline with a tease. To left it hanging in such a fashion is just wrong.

You can say they've done it before, but none have been this obvious a setup for things to come.

[Jumper_One]

To me, putting Weir's memory in Fran (if that's what they're going to do) is just another rip-off of an SG-1 plot. Afterall, Sam did have Jolinar's memories.

how is that a rip-off? Sam had Jolinar's memories because of the symbiote. FRAN's a replicator, she'll have the memories because most likely the Weir at the end of BAMSR was also a replicator


If they wanted to keep Weir's memory around, they could've just kept Torri.

um they did want to keep her, she didn't want to come back


And the very fact that people are still talking about Elizabeth Weir and still creating threads about her, just shows me that she was (and still is) a popular character and that TPTB were wrong to reduce her/get rid of her.

of course she's popular. however it doesn't mean that TBTB were wrong to reduce her role (they didn't want to get rid of her), that's an opinion

[Falcon Horus]

um they did want to keep her, she didn't want to come back

Sweetie, you don't tell someone that they can either walk or come back in some recurring work if you want to keep them. :o

[Eri13]

of course she's popular. however it doesn't mean that TBTB were wrong to reduce her role (they didn't want to get rid of her), that's an opinion

They didn't want to keep her initially. Torri stated they told her on the last day of filming "First Strike" she could recur or walk (I'm presuming she'd then have 'died' in Adrift).

She chose to be recurring for the four S4 episodes. What direction they then took her was up to TPTB and the writers.

[Anuna]

Ha? They did want to get rid of Weir. And they've done it in worse way possible - turning her into a scapegoat and then making her something she isn't.

And yes they were wrong to reduce her role. Without her (and Carson) the whole thing lacks humanity and soul. season 4 was awful. That's an opinion too.

[Jumper_One]

Sweetie, you don't tell someone that they can either walk or come back in some recurring work if you want to keep them. :o

no? what about the recurring characters?


They didn't want to keep her initially. Torri stated they told her on the last day of filming "First Strike" she could recur or walk (I'm presuming she'd then have 'died' in Adrift).

She chose to be recurring for the four S4 episodes. What direction they then took her was up to TPTB and the writers.

you mean it was her call. ok but this doesn't mean that TBTB didn't want to keep her. also could you provide a link to that interview please?


Ha? They did want to get rid of Weir.

no, TBTB wanted to reduce her role


And they've done it in worse way possible - turning her into a scapegoat

that's your opinion


and then making her something she isn't.

huh? then what IS she?


And yes they were wrong to reduce her role. Without her (and Carson) the whole thing lacks humanity and soul. season 4 was awful. That's an opinion too.

that's what I said, check my previous post

[Killdeer]

also could you provide a link to that interview please?

It's not available online - it was in the #16th issue of Stargate Magazine. The exact quote is:


"I was told right when we wrapped that there would be changes and that it was my choice if I want to come back and do some recurring [work] or walk away," states Higginson.

[Suzotchka]

Good Lord. Are we still arguing about how Torri was given the choice to leave or do some recurring work?

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Suzotchka/img053a.jpg

In the official SG-1/SGA magazine Torri said "I was told right when we wrapped that there would be changes and that it was my choice if I want to come back and do some recurring [work] or walk away."

Seems to me that TPTB were OK with just getting rid of Weir.

Good thing I kept the scan of the article on photobucket. :P

[Jumper_One]

It's not available online - it was in the #16th issue of Stargate Magazine.

oh yeah I remember


The exact quote is:

thanks :)


Good Lord. Are we still arguing about how Torri was given the choice to leave or do some recurring work?

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Suzotchka/img053a.jpg

In the official SG-1/SGA magazine Torri said "I was told right when we wrapped that there would be changes and that it was my choice if I want to come back and do some recurring [work] or walk away."

thank you :)


Seems to me that TPTB were OK with just getting rid of Weir.

apparently it was her decision. fortunately she decided to return for four eps


Good thing I kept the scan of the article on photobucket. :P

:indeed:

[Anuna]

huh? then what IS she?



The leader of Atlantis, the best one, and the only real one. She shouldn't have been turned into security risk, convenient plot device and scape goat. It didn't do any good to the show overall. Sam failed to fill her shoes, at least in the way she was written, and I won't even go and speculate about Wooley boy. And yes that's my opinion.

[jelgate]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole concept of reccuring is act or walk. I rememeber a interview with David Nykl saying that recurring actors are not bound like main characters. I believe he said that they can refuese to do an episode unlike a main character who is bound by a contract

[Anuna]

apparently it was her decision. fortunately she decided to return for four eps



Yeah, her decision consisted out of giving Weir a chance. She wanted to play her, she wanted to stay. She definitely didn't ask for a recurring role, she did however ask to be given more to work with. She never said she wanted to leave for recurring status. Kicking her out of the main cast was TPTB's choice and decision and some of them were very proud of it as far as I recall.

[Eri13]

you mean it was her call. ok but this doesn't mean that TBTB didn't want to keep her. also could you provide a link to that interview please?



It's not available online - it was in the #16th issue of Stargate Magazine.

Thanks, KD. I think she also references it in the audio interview she gave at the Pegasus con in January.

Telling her she could walk isn't wanting to keep her or fighting to keep her. Taking her out of series regular status was dissolution of her contract. If she'd left, termination would have taken place at the end of Season 3 with no Weir anywhere in Season 4 and more than likely character death in "Adrift". That's not TPTB promising she might have something in the future.

[Anuna]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole concept of reccuring is act or walk. I rememeber a interview with David Nykl saying that recurring actors are not bound like main characters. I believe he said that they can refuese to do an episode unlike a main character who is bound by a contract

Sounds sensible. But your point is...?

[Anuna]

Thanks, KD. I think she also references it in the audio interview she gave at the Pegasus con in January.

Telling her she could walk isn't wanting to keep her or fighting to keep her. Taking her out of series regular status was dissolution of her contract. If she'd left, termination would have taken place at the end of Season 3 with no Weir anywhere in Season 4 and more than likely character death in "Adrift". That's not TPTB promising she might have something in the future.

Exactly. That's pretty much "pick up your things and leave". There was also an interview where she did say she didn't like the way she was treated - before the filming of S3 ended she was told everything was fine, she has nothing to worry about etc, and after FS was filmed they told her you can do recurring or walk.

I do have the quote from that interview saved.




“Honestly? I found that quite ****ty, to be honest (laughs).Oops. But I found out, because I kept going to them, I kept going up to them saying ‘I have a feeling my character, you’re not doing anything with me, and you guys have me for six years and I don’t want to, you know, be here not doing anything. Let me know what’s going on.’ And they kept saying “no, no, no, it’s great. We love you. We love you. Things can be great.’ And I said ‘well, if that’s the case, can we do something with her’ and they kept reassuring me that nothing - and the very last day of filming season three, as I finished filming the last scene on the last day I was called up to the office and was told that my character was going to become recurring if I chose to be. So, I thought that was not very, um, dignified, way to deal with it, and I was a bit surprised. So I was—so my reaction was one of yeah, I was a little bit surprised. I was a little bit upset by how it was dealt with. But I wasn’t upset at the decision because I understood it. I kept going to them saying ‘I get, I get what’s going to happen, just give me some notice so I can pack my apartment and move back to L.A. Really. So I wasn’t upset with the decision. I was upset with how it was handled.”



Bottom line? She was treated unfairly. They were telling her every thing's peachy and then boom, you can do recurring or you can go. I don't really think this is a way one behaves if he/she wants to keep an employee.

[Jumper_One]

The leader of Atlantis, the best one, and the only real one.

err...what?


She shouldn't have been turned into security risk, convenient plot device and scape goat. It didn't do any good to the show overall.

how so? are you talking about the ratings, viewers?


Sam failed to fill her shoes,

sorry but I disagree


at least in the way she was written, and I won't even go and speculate about Wooley boy.

I'll wait until s5 airs


And yes that's my opinion.

I know :)


Yeah, her decision consisted out of giving Weir a chance. She wanted to play her, she wanted to stay. She definitely didn't ask for a recurring role, she did however ask to be given more to work with. She never said she wanted to leave for recurring status. Kicking her out of the main cast was TPTB's choice and decision and some of them were very proud of it as far as I recall.

source?


Thanks, KD. I think she also references it in the audio interview she gave at the Pegasus con in January.

Telling her she could walk isn't wanting to keep her or fighting to keep her.

TBTB wanted to keep her as a recurring character


Taking her out of series regular status was dissolution of her contract. If she'd left, termination would have taken place at the end of Season 3 with no Weir anywhere in Season 4 and more than likely character death in "Adrift".

so? that's no surprise imo


That's not TPTB promising she might have something in the future.

maybe because those were different PTB? or are you referring to JM's statement regarding a possible arc in s6 if she would've been in s5?

[Anuna]

Yes, sam failed to serve her purpose. The ratings weren't all that high and the lines she delivered felt too much like Weir lines. My opinion of course.

Source of the article I quoted? I'll go and ask, I don't have the link at the moment but I can PM you tomorrow. It's quite late here.

As for different PTB... you might wanna check Malozzi's interviews. He said himself he was a part of decision of making Weir recurring.

Plus I won't wait until S5 airs. There's nothing for me to watch, so I won't bother.

[Jumper_One]

Exactly. That's pretty much "pick up your things and leave". There was also an interview where she did say she didn't like the way she was treated - before the filming of S3 ended she was told everything was fine, she has nothing to worry about etc, and after FS was filmed they told her you can do recurring or walk.

I do have the quote from that interview saved.



Bottom line? She was treated unfairly. They were telling her every thing's peachy and then boom, you can do recurring or you can go. I don't really think this is a way one behaves if he/she wants to keep an employee.

thanks for posting this. Joe said this

Erika writes: “Did you listen to Torri’s interview? […] I am not sure if I want her back now considering how you and the rest of The Powers That Be treated her.“

Answer: Let me be clear. Weir’s role was originally envisioned as a parallel to the Hammond role on SG-1. And so, unlike the team, it wasn’t intended that she head off-world every episode. Like it or not, the character of Weir was intended to play a supporting role to that of the team. Still - while Brad was running Atlantis, he was very supportive and protective of the character, working hard to make sure she got her fair share of stories, and to suggest otherwise is not only disingenuous, but a slap in the face to a guy who was the driving force behind episodes like Before I Sleep, The Real World, and The Long Goodbye. The decision to make the change came at the end of season three simply because that’s when we started making plans for season four. No conspiracy. Just simple logic. Finally, as a point of interest, do you know how many actors find out their role on a show has been diminished or done away with? The season wraps, the actor leaves for hiatus, and then his or her contract isn’t picked up. Their agent does the math for them. To many producers, this a much easier and less confrontational way of handling the situation which, obviously, lacks the professional courtesy and respect of a face to face meeting.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/january-31-2008-marty-g-and-i-do-it-up-iron-chef-style/

[Jumper_One]

Yes, sam failed to serve her purpose.

Sam was supposed to be base commander and as such a supporting character. that's what we got


The ratings weren't all that high

both s4.5 and s3.5 averaged a 1.24 for live +sd and. FS had 2.2 million viewers after live+7, TLM 2.1 million for live +sd!


and the lines she delivered felt too much like Weir lines. My opinion of course.

Source of the article I quoted? I'll go and ask, I don't have the link at the moment but I can PM you tomorrow. It's quite late here.

thanks, that'd be great :)


As for different PTB... you might wanna check Malozzi's interviews. He said himself he was a part of decision of making Weir recurring.

so? we were talking about some kind of promise. maybe this was made by BW and not JM and PM


Plus I won't wait until S5 airs. There's nothing for me to watch, so I won't bother.

I'm sorry to hear that

[Anuna]

Sadly I tend to trust Torri more than the man who decided to make her character recurring. I'm a human. I'm entitled to hold a grudge.

I don't respect him very much for saying Weir was a secondary character (nad many other things too). To me and lots of other people she was much more imortant. To me important enough to make me stop watching after I saw how she was treated.

[Anuna]

both s4.5 and s3.5 averaged a 1.24 for live +sd and. FS had 2.2 million viewers after live+7, TLM 2.1 million for live +sd!



Never trust statistics you haven't forged yourself. ;)

[Pitry]

Simply because they "ended" the storyline with a tease. To left it hanging in such a fashion is just wrong.

You can say they've done it before, but none have been this obvious a setup for things to come.

Well, snice I'm voicing my opinion, truth be told I'm one of the people who never had too much of a problem with open threads. I don't care about the Foothold aliens, I'm happy to go on with my life not knowing what the Aschen are up to these days, and TBH? I would have happily cut season 10 after Pegasus Project. Well, 200, jsut cos it's so damn funny :)

Point ni case - it's only an obvious set up for things to come cos they took it for granted TH woudl agree to continue working with them in season 5. Since this assumption turned out to be false, I don't see why they shouldn't turn this into the same kind of hanging thread that will never be solved.

[Reiko]

The leader of Atlantis, the best one, and the only real one. She shouldn't have been turned into security risk, convenient plot device and scape goat. It didn't do any good to the show overall.

I hate that as well - PTB using main characters, nonetheless fan favourites, to do their bidding as plot devices or as sacrifices to the ratings gods. It's disgusting that they show such little respect for the characters. They really need some writing/management lessons - such as changing the story instead of the character. :mckay:


Yeah, her decision consisted out of giving Weir a chance. She wanted to play her, she wanted to stay. She definitely didn't ask for a recurring role, she did however ask to be given more to work with. She never said she wanted to leave for recurring status. Kicking her out of the main cast was TPTB's choice and decision and some of them were very proud of it as far as I recall.

I remember. One of the PTB (I dun't remember - Mallozzi?) kept saying "don't worry; you will be very happy with what we are going to". :mckay: She didn't want a recurring role and she didn't deserve it. I would have no problem with her leaving the show at her own will. It's when sh*t like this goes around that I begin to get very, very cranky. As for her asking for more to work with, she totally deserved that as well. She's been there for three years and has proved to be an excellent actress. Come on.



I do have the quote from that interview saved.

“Honestly? I found that quite ****ty, to be honest (laughs).Oops. But I found out, because I kept going to them, I kept going up to them saying ‘I have a feeling my character, you’re not doing anything with me, and you guys have me for six years and I don’t want to, you know, be here not doing anything. Let me know what’s going on.’ And they kept saying “no, no, no, it’s great. We love you. We love you. Things can be great.’ And I said ‘well, if that’s the case, can we do something with her’ and they kept reassuring me that nothing - and the very last day of filming season three, as I finished filming the last scene on the last day I was called up to the office and was told that my character was going to become recurring if I chose to be. So, I thought that was not very, um, dignified, way to deal with it, and I was a bit surprised. So I was—so my reaction was one of yeah, I was a little bit surprised. I was a little bit upset by how it was dealt with. But I wasn’t upset at the decision because I understood it. I kept going to them saying ‘I get, I get what’s going to happen, just give me some notice so I can pack my apartment and move back to L.A. Really. So I wasn’t upset with the decision. I was upset with how it was handled.”

Bottom line? She was treated unfairly. They were telling her every thing's peachy and then boom, you can do recurring or you can go. I don't really think this is a way one behaves if he/she wants to keep an employee.

Good God - primary source there. Thanks for the quote Anuna as well as Suzotchka's magazine article link. This just shows why some of us are as upset at PTB as we are. Don't call it "irrational"; calling it "irrational" would be equivalent to calling someone who's angry at the genocide in Africa "irrational".

This is not a good day for me. This makes it worse. :mad:

[Jumper_One]

Never trust statistics you haven't forged yourself. ;)

true but those numbers are accurate


That would never happen. I get the impression that some people aren't used to having people say no to them. This is like revenge. Torri said no, let's destroy her character even further. Like they didn't already do that enough in season four.

I'm sorry but that's ridiculous


How they could do this to a character they created is beyond me. How much does a PTB have to hate a character/actress to kill the character several times over, and then have her just exist as a disembodied voice? A hell of a lot, IMO.

hold on, suddenly Weir's dead??? I remember you and others saying she's alive, especially after the last scene in BAMSR. also she wasn't killed several times


No, bottom line is she thinks they treated her unfairly, in fact all that interview does is highlight how unprofessional she's been about the whole thing.

IDK if that's true but she's definitely unhappy


I bet you didn't say that when Shanks was slagging off the show left right and centre, and got his job back. But then, there's a double standard when it comes to women.

what???


I wasn't around then, and to be honest I don't really know anything about that. But either way, what's that got to do with this? Another one of your conspiracy theories in the making perhaps?

;)

The decision to make the change came at the end of season three simply because that’s when we started making plans for season four. No conspiracy. Just simple logic.
http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/january-31-2008-marty-g-and-i-do-it-up-iron-chef-style/

[Ruined_puzzle]

She's actually done the opposite to that. A friend of mine told her privately at a convention that she can't watch the show without her on it. Torri said "Please keep watching. The other actors deserve everyone's support, too." That wasn't up on a stage where she'd be obliged to say something like that. That was in a one-on-one conversation with someone she'd chatted to before.

She totally said something similar in the UFC, when someone in the audience said she wasn't going to watch anymore. Torri was all "keep watching the others love you" Awww, she is too nice.

[kiwigater]

Right, as the thread has headed off topic again into an arena that deals with someone elses thought processes and emotions I'm going to close this thread. You were warned to keep on topic and haven't. If you must disagree take it to PM (politely! GW's respect rules apply to PM's as well).