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The Suicidal Goldfish
March 10th, 2008, 12:00 PM
This season, I want to see it play out just like McKay said it would. Almost!

Michael takes over the galaxy, Wraith become the galactic wildcard, Tauri have to fight guerilla style...sign me up for a bit of that!

Best. Finale. Ever.

Followed by - Best. Season. Ever???

P-90_177
March 10th, 2008, 12:10 PM
This season, I want to see it play out just like McKay said it would. Almost!

Michael takes over the galaxy, Wraith become the galactic wildcard, Tauri have to fight guerilla style...sign me up for a bit of that!

Best. Finale. Ever.

Followed by - Best. Season. Ever???

it would be good. the only problem is that Teylas baby seems to be the key to all this happening seeing as he perfected the genetic modifications with it. After that he was able to creat an army much eaiser. I have no doubt that he'll become a primary threat but I don't think it will play out really how it did in the AT with them having to use guerilla style tactics with the 304's. Could be wrong though. I mean that's pretty much what they did with the Asurans at first.

wizz_kid_sid
March 10th, 2008, 12:15 PM
it would be good. the only problem is that Teylas baby seems to be the key to all this happening seeing as he perfected the genetic modifications with it. After that he was able to creat an army much eaiser. I have no doubt that he'll become a primary threat but I don't think it will play out really how it did in the AT with them having to use guerilla style tactics with the 304's. Could be wrong though. I mean that's pretty much what they did with the Asurans at first.

Yeah, what I think is that they'll find Teyla, and her baby is missing.. and next time we'll see the baby, it'll have aged a few years older. (They did that in SG1 a few times). We know already due to spoilers, that some of the things that McKay says in 'The Last Man' plays out.. Sam leaving, and Richard becomes Atlantis Leader

But yeah, I agree, it was a wicked season finale, and in my opinion best season so far. I really enjoyed watching it.

Prior_of_the_Ori
March 10th, 2008, 01:15 PM
Well Michael can stilll accomplish that future, he just needs the child. Without the child, then he would need to continue experimenting in order to perfect the Hybrids.

Anubis21
March 10th, 2008, 01:16 PM
So you would want michael to take over the entir galaxy and have the wraith become extinct?

The Suicidal Goldfish
March 10th, 2008, 02:22 PM
So you would want michael to take over the entir galaxy and have the wraith become extinct?

Hands up who didn't read the first post properly :D

Wildcard, random factor, unpredictable element...which part of it said wraith extinct?

No, I'm saying Michael needs to be the big bad face Atlantis has so desperately needed.

rarocks24
March 10th, 2008, 03:22 PM
Hands up who didn't read the first post properly :D

Wildcard, random factor, unpredictable element...which part of it said wraith extinct?

No, I'm saying Michael needs to be the big bad face Atlantis has so desperately needed.

A whiny, hypocritical ***** is what Atlantis needed so badly? Okay. Frankly, S1 Wraith is the enemy the show needs again, but then they went and nerfed the Wraith.

naamiaiset
March 10th, 2008, 03:47 PM
atlantis needs a new villain, but I don't think michael is it. to me, he's just a bitter hybrid turned mad scientist. I agree with rarocks, atlantis needs an enemy like the threat the wraith posed in season one. I'd like to see the wraith rebuilt as an enemy... but TPTB have watered them down too much.

FN-P90
March 10th, 2008, 03:53 PM
A whiny, hypocritical ***** is what Atlantis needed so badly? Okay. Frankly, S1 Wraith is the enemy the show needs again, but then they went and nerfed the Wraith.

I agree it seems that after they resolve the whloe Michael Arc where do you go from there?

Buck32
March 10th, 2008, 04:24 PM
atlantis needs a new villain, but I don't think michael is it. to me, he's just a bitter hybrid turned mad scientist. I agree with rarocks, atlantis needs an enemy like the threat the wraith posed in season one. I'd like to see the wraith rebuilt as an enemy... but TPTB have watered them down too much.

I agree Atlantis does need a new villain, but Michael isn't it, it's already a stretch that he's managed to achieve what he has, just end it already and him!!!

the wraith have been watered down to the point that they're almost a non threat to Atlantis and once again i blame bad writing on this, TPTB have almost boxed themselves into a corner, so they have to come up with a new enemy, if they try and beef up the wraith again it won't be beleivable and if they continue on with Michael and his hybrids it'll just get tedious.

JohnRico
March 10th, 2008, 04:28 PM
While I am slowly getting bored of Michael it would actually be kind of cool if the Atlantis Expedition's biggest mistake becomes their worst enemy for a while

kymeric
March 10th, 2008, 05:24 PM
I wonder if when michael was born (hatched?) thousands of years ago he knew he would one day be the first of a new race and wash over the galaxy?

Some kids have soo much potential.

naamiaiset
March 10th, 2008, 05:33 PM
I agree Atlantis does need a new villain, but Michael isn't it, it's already a stretch that he's managed to achieve what he has, just end it already and him!!!

the wraith have been watered down to the point that they're almost a non threat to Atlantis and once again i blame bad writing on this, TPTB have almost boxed themselves into a corner, so they have to come up with a new enemy, if they try and beef up the wraith again it won't be beleivable and if they continue on with Michael and his hybrids it'll just get tedious.
well there is a way to "revitalize" wraith as enemies: end the civil war and mobilize them into a single force again. once they replenished their numbers, they could be a threat. I'd rather see that than michael vs teyla drag on.

Anubis21
March 10th, 2008, 06:36 PM
I agree the Wraith are the mortal enemy of atlantis like the Gou'ld are the moral enemy of SG-1. What the wraith need to do is to put aside their differences and come together. And when they come together come up with a way to diable the Arguard Beaming Tech so that Earth (us) does not have a huge upper hand in space battles and we can see more of those like in Be All My Sins Remember'd.

the fifth man
March 10th, 2008, 06:41 PM
Personally, I'm not getting sick of Michael at all. Actually, I'm liking him more and more, the darker his character gets.

Myles
March 10th, 2008, 06:43 PM
well there is a way to "revitalize" wraith as enemies: end the civil war and mobilize them into a single force again. once they replenished their numbers, they could be a threat. I'd rather see that than michael vs teyla drag on.

I don't think micheal vs teyla is going to drag on much longer. I think in the first episode next season(search and rescue) we'll find teyla and stop michael from perfecting his hybrids with he baby.

I just also hope we don't defeat him outright at the same time, cuz your right to revitalize the wraith as a real threat they must consolidate and end the civil war. Micheal leading an all our offensive would be good motive to do that.

naamiaiset
March 10th, 2008, 06:47 PM
I don't think micheal vs teyla is going to drag on much longer. I think in the first episode next season(search and rescue) we'll find teyla and stop michael from perfecting his hybrids with he baby.

I just also hope we don't defeat him outright at the same time, cuz your right to revitalize the wraith as a real threat they must consolidate and end the civil war. Micheal leading an all out offensive would be good motive to do that.
I just hope atlantis trying to stop michael doesn't become the whole backstory to season five... :S

Anubis21
March 10th, 2008, 07:02 PM
I just hope that there is going to be a season 6:sheppard::ford::mckay::ronan::teyla::beckett:

2ndgenerationalteran
March 11th, 2008, 12:20 AM
Im thinking teyla's baby is delivered, and michael get some key DNA but not enough. So his army is enhanced but not "perfect" and then he would need to assault atlantis or the team to get the child.

GoSpikey
March 11th, 2008, 08:38 AM
Michael will only appear in S&R, and then maybe another ep at the final part of the season...

I just hope they'll make him different yet again. :D

Or back to his "Vengeance" looks... :P

Battera
March 11th, 2008, 09:14 AM
I think Michael has some potential as far as being a villain goes, but he just isn't a threat to US, just everyone else in the PEGASUS galaxy. We already know from TLM that with everything going his way, Michael never destroyed Atlantis or went to Earth... or at least didn't defeat us.

We need a new enemy. Perhaps not more powerful but more unique.

GoSpikey
March 11th, 2008, 10:01 AM
We already know from TLM that with everything going his way, Michael never destroyed Atlantis or went to Earth... or at least didn't defeat us.

Watch the part where Rodney is in General Lorne's office again. They drop a hint.

2ndgenerationalteran
March 12th, 2008, 01:04 AM
The writters may have done this to keep the wraith feel but to centralize them and consolidate their power into one army, rather than warring factions. The wraith probably are going to be a small annoyance of a faction. Maybe they can keep them by having the wraith have several farm worlds that have no gates and the people just stayed in one place and multiplied. It may keep them around a little longer.

Meganpurple
March 12th, 2008, 11:16 PM
Yeah, what I think is that they'll find Teyla, and her baby is missing.. and next time we'll see the baby, it'll have aged a few years older. (They did that in SG1 a few times). We know already due to spoilers, that some of the things that McKay says in 'The Last Man' plays out.. Sam leaving, and Richard becomes Atlantis Leader

But yeah, I agree, it was a wicked season finale, and in my opinion best season so far. I really enjoyed watching it.Oh I thought it a wonderful season and your right the best so far!! Can't wait to see what will happen next. Does anyone have any idea when the new season will start on scifi. Just excited to see the new season already. :)

Meganpurple
March 12th, 2008, 11:19 PM
Hands up who didn't read the first post properly :D

Wildcard, random factor, unpredictable element...which part of it said wraith extinct?

No, I'm saying Michael needs to be the big bad face Atlantis has so desperately needed.Yes, I agree there. I like the way they have taken his character now. Was worried at first that they might make him to dark but this last episode proved that they can do wonderful wicked things with Michael.:)

Meganpurple
March 12th, 2008, 11:24 PM
A whiny, hypocritical ***** is what Atlantis needed so badly? Okay. Frankly, S1 Wraith is the enemy the show needs again, but then they went and nerfed the Wraith.They did kind of water down the wraith since the first season. I like the scariness of them then. Michael makes a good villian now but hopefully they will not base all things wraith on just him. They need more good wraith characters brought into the story.:)

Meganpurple
March 12th, 2008, 11:27 PM
While I am slowly getting bored of Michael it would actually be kind of cool if the Atlantis Expedition's biggest mistake becomes their worst enemy for a whileIndeed:)

LiquidSky
March 12th, 2008, 11:48 PM
I think they will keep Micheal around for the first part of season five just to tie up the last episode in season four then he will go away for awhile plotting his next take over. As for the Wraith I would like to see more developed characters like Todd. I would also like to see the Wraith become strong again since they are the original adversaries to the story arc.

I'm also thinking the PTB will bring back the repicators remember Repi/Wier in BAMSR.

LS

naamiaiset
March 13th, 2008, 03:43 AM
like I said earlier too, wraith need to reunite... but doubtful that TPTB are going to give it to us. :mckay: think if all wraith united under todd's command (which I'm assuming would be similar to the standing he used to have)... now that could get interesting. what if the power went to his head? would he be friend or foe? atlantis could be in trouble if that happened. ;)

Meganpurple
March 13th, 2008, 09:40 AM
like I said earlier too, wraith need to reunite... but doubtful that TPTB are going to give it to us. :mckay: think if all wraith united under todd's command (which I'm assuming would be similar to the standing he used to have)... now that could get interesting. what if the power went to his head? would he be friend or foe? atlantis could be in trouble if that happened. ;)Yes I was thinking that too for later on. Would make interesting episodes for sure.

Aewon
March 13th, 2008, 10:21 AM
I think they should keep Michael as a villain through Season 5, and then kills him off after a climatic battle in the season finale. Then in Season 6, realizing the threat Earth/Atlantis then pose, the Wraith (or at least most, because I don't want Todd to become a villain) unites under the rule of one queen. And I want her to be a memorable character.

metabog
March 13th, 2008, 10:29 AM
Me too, I hope it goes just like that until it becomes more and more ironic and more and more and more ironic until it's so ironic that Atlantis becomes irony, and then it's not even a show anymore, it's just ironic.

naamiaiset
March 13th, 2008, 05:59 PM
I think they should keep Michael as a villain through Season 5, and then kills him off after a climatic battle in the season finale. Then in Season 6, realizing the threat Earth/Atlantis then pose, the Wraith (or at least most, because I don't want Todd to become a villain) unites under the rule of one queen. And I want her to be a memorable character.
I don't want todd as a villain either, but he'd still make a good one. if all wraith united under one queen, what would happen to the other queens? they wouldn't be able to co-exist.

Sparrow_hawk
March 13th, 2008, 07:21 PM
I don't want todd as a villain either, but he'd still make a good one. if all wraith united under one queen, what would happen to the other queens? they wouldn't be able to co-exist.
A unified Wraith is an interesting prospect. They did it before when they fought the Ancients (or it seems that they did), so the Queens might be able to form alliances long enough to defeat a common enemy. Todd seemed to know a lot about that war. Makes you wonder what role he played back then, doesn't it?

I can see Todd as sort of a warlord or Shogun, in charge of all of the armies but having to answer to the Queen. That would be kinda cool: Todd and the Wraith versus Michael and his hybrids!

Would he take on Atlantis as an enemy? I don't think so, but it depends on what changes take place once Atlantis is under IOA control.

naamiaiset
March 13th, 2008, 08:28 PM
A unified Wraith is an interesting prospect. They did it before when they fought the Ancients (or it seems that they did), so the Queens might be able to form alliances long enough to defeat a common enemy. Todd seemed to know a lot about that war. Makes you wonder what role he played back then, doesn't it?

I can see Todd as sort of a warlord or Shogun, in charge of all of the armies but having to answer to the Queen. That would be kinda cool: Todd and the Wraith versus Michael and his hybrids!

Would he take on Atlantis as an enemy? I don't think so, but it depends on what changes take place once Atlantis is under IOA control.
when wraith defeated the ancients there wasn't a human shortage, civil war, poisoning etc... queens probably see no profit in alliances now. if an alliance was to work, I think it'd depend entirely on the males. the males have a social nature, unlike queens.

I wonder how tood achieved his great standing also. I was hoping in spoils of war when todd was explaining the ancients war to rodney that his role in it would be mentioned... but, no such luck.

rarocks24
March 14th, 2008, 07:05 AM
when wraith defeated the ancients there wasn't a human shortage, civil war, poisoning etc... queens probably see no profit in alliances now. if an alliance was to work, I think it'd depend entirely on the males. the males have a social nature, unlike queens.

I wonder how tood achieved his great standing also. I was hoping in spoils of war when todd was explaining the ancients war to rodney that his role in it would be mentioned... but, no such luck.

Todd seemed to know an awful lot about the technology....I'm thinking that Todd might have had a hand in it's creation.

kymeric
March 15th, 2008, 06:30 AM
Im kinda torn on Michael. In one way the galaxy is better off, at least its being run by humans. Theyve been eaten in huge numbers for ten thousand years and now they can slaughter all of their oppressors in under a year. The only downsides are being a slave to micheal, and the human death toll before being reengineered. Both of which i might be willing to accept if the odds were i would be eaten by the wraith anyways, which is what pegasus has been like since they all awoke 4 years ago.

What does it look like to joe pegasus? They get funky super powers and a chance to get even for ten thousand years of horror. Kinda makes sense from a certain perspective.

Sparrow_hawk
March 19th, 2008, 04:25 AM
Im kinda torn on Michael. In one way the galaxy is better off, at least its being run by humans. Theyve been eaten in huge numbers for ten thousand years and now they can slaughter all of their oppressors in under a year. The only downsides are being a slave to micheal, and the human death toll before being reengineered. Both of which i might be willing to accept if the odds were i would be eaten by the wraith anyways, which is what pegasus has been like since they all awoke 4 years ago.

What does it look like to joe pegasus? They get funky super powers and a chance to get even for ten thousand years of horror. Kinda makes sense from a certain perspective.
Good point. Some of them may actually like the idea of being strong enough to defeat the Wraith, so they are willing to let themselves be zombified. Michael probably doesn't bother to tell them that he is also making them his mind-slaves!

YutheGreat
March 19th, 2008, 06:56 AM
I was debating about Michael's hybrids the same way. I was in favor of them because they will not be feeding on Average Pegasus Joe and Jane in the long term. After seeing Last Man, I have lost confidence in them because he intends to kill everyone else who wasn't turned.

I do not doubt Michael could get volunteers willing to be turned into hybrids. We know some people want to fight the Wraith and are willing to be engineered to do it remember Ford's comandos? This process will take too long and they will probably be discovered by the Wraith. If Michael went down this route his hybrids will be simillar to the Tokra. Right now he is on the Anubis route.

rarocks24
March 19th, 2008, 07:06 AM
Good point. Some of them may actually like the idea of being strong enough to defeat the Wraith, so they are willing to let themselves be zombified. Michael probably doesn't bother to tell them that he is also making them his mind-slaves!

I don't believe Michael has absolute control over his minions, and I think once Michael finishes the hybrids (with Teyla's baby's unwilling help), that Michael is in for a world of hurt. Because I believe that at least some of the stronger willed ones will break free of Michael's control. I believe if Teyla had decided to run back to Col. Sheppard, and Michael had tried to step in, that Carson would have been able to shoot Michael.

There's also the possibility the Wraith may get ahold of the hybridization and use it on themselves (stripping away the Michael subservience gene thingy) for the pure hope of survival.

The only thing I want is for the Wraith to use that virus on Earth. Earth created Michael, and indirectly caused all of the problems affiliated with him, why not make Earth pay? Plus, could you imagine the political fallout from such an action? The Wraith would stand to come out on top of it all, gain access to the Asgard technology, further cementing their power. That is if the Wraith were smart. But after the past 2 seasons, all of the smart Wraith (save Todd) have disappeared.

YutheGreat
March 19th, 2008, 07:18 AM
I don't believe Michael has absolute control over his minions, and I think once Michael finishes the hybrids (with Teyla's baby's unwilling help), that Michael is in for a world of hurt. Because I believe that at least some of the stronger willed ones will break free of Michael's control. I believe if Teyla had decided to run back to Col. Sheppard, and Michael had tried to step in, that Carson would have been able to shoot Michael.

There's also the possibility the Wraith may get ahold of the hybridization and use it on themselves (stripping away the Michael subservience gene thingy) for the pure hope of survival.

The only thing I want is for the Wraith to use that virus on Earth. Earth created Michael, and indirectly caused all of the problems affiliated with him, why not make Earth pay? Plus, could you imagine the political fallout from such an action? The Wraith would stand to come out on top of it all, gain access to the Asgard technology, further cementing their power. That is if the Wraith were smart. But after the past 2 seasons, all of the smart Wraith (save Todd) have disappeared.

I was doing some thinking about the Hybrids. I agree Michael does not have total control over his troops. Kanan was going to help Teyla until Michael came into the scene in Kindred 2. I think Michael's mind powers were not perfected to command them on a large scale. Michael cannot be everywhere to make sure they are all in his influence.

I think this is why Michael needs Teyla's baby. The unborn baby was powerful enough control a queen from a great distance. If he could harness it he can control his hybrids over great distances enough to fight for him.

kymeric
March 21st, 2008, 05:24 AM
Well Michael can stilll accomplish that future, he just needs the child. Without the child, then he would need to continue experimenting in order to perfect the Hybrids.

All he really needs is the babys dna. He could get that in utero. It may already be too late to stop him! /moustache twirl

GoSpikey
March 21st, 2008, 10:57 AM
I think this is why Michael needs Teyla's baby. The unborn baby was powerful enough control a queen from a great distance. If he could harness it he can control his hybrids over great distances enough to fight for him.

ZOMG! You *think*? :S

Now, why couldn't I have thought of that?!?

Oh wait, I have... On 25 other boards. :D

Yup, Mikey's brain isn't developed enough, silly him.

Remember him saying he could contact Teyla's mind over 10,000 light years? Must have been cos of the extra power of the kid. If he can contact his minions from that far, plus maybe that combined with his own ability, then Michael is gonna be very happy, they'll listen to him from great distance, and he can let them do some of the dirty work.


All he really needs is the babys dna. He could get that in utero. It may already be too late to stop him! /moustache twirl

Lol, yeah. He should have taken a sample of the baby, instead of shooting something in him. See? He's not really *that* smart.

:cool: