Alternate Battle of P3Y-229

[Archaeis]

Curious if The whole Asgard legacy thing had happened prior to the Ori invasion of the Milky Way and our 304s had the same upgrades that they had in BAMSR, woulld the Battle of P3Y-229 have gone differently, or would we still have been crushed?

[Randar]

it would have certainly been a bit less on sided...the manuvering ability of the Daedalus class + the Ha'taks being a distraction...i say at least half the Ori force is defeated.

[fugiman]

Well we never would have gotten the weapons as the Asgard made them after the Camelot Battle with information from that battle so all we would have had were the older Asgard weapons and then got our asses kicked again but this time with no new Asgard Weapons to save us in the end

So nope

[Crazy Tom]

Off teh top of my head:

1. i would have a few naq nukes placed in fron tof the supergate. to detonate when the motherships ocme htrough.

2. hide my fleet form the shockwave behind the supergate.

3. have my fleet use the supergate as cover, Hit and run tactics, leting the ori shoot their own gate.

4. when the ori maneuver enoght to rendeder option 3 useless, spit the fleet up bigitme, a constantly moving sphere formation around the motherships, concerntratng fire on one mothership at a time.

[pbutter]

Well we never would have gotten the weapons as the Asgard made them after the Camelot Battle with information from that battle

I wasn't aware of that.
Can you direct me to the source..

[2ndgenerationalteran]

If we fired at them as they were coming through the gate i find it highly unlikely that their shields would have been raised, perfect ambush and with the fire power we had there if we were informed of the future we would have won easily.

[peragrin]

If we fired at them as they were coming through the gate i find it highly unlikely that their shields would have been raised, perfect ambush and with the fire power we had there if we were informed of the future we would have won easily.

Better question why didn't we mine the gate? large stealth nukes near the gate would have destroyed at least the first two vessel's coming through. That is until the motherships started firing through the gate.

[Tomouse55]

The probable reason that we didn't mine the gate or fire on them instantaneously is that we were going to try diplomacy........again!

[umopapisdn]

The probable reason that we didn't mine the gate or fire on them instantaneously is that we were going to try diplomacy........again!

They are so stupid, also if we defeated them the ori wouldn't have looked all powerful and impossible to beat.

[kirmit]

I know it sounds unlikely but the timeframe might not have been long enough to mine the supergate and about them hiding behind the gate, how would they know which way is forward? Also them firing as soon as the ships come through wouldn't have worked imo, shields aren't raised when exiting hyperspace but coming through a supergate is alot different. Technnically I know if the shields were raised they should've rippled the EH but as we saw the CG team were off on alot of things in that battle. More though really needs to be put into space battles, TPTB just seem to say 'blow up things and make it look cool' and no logic is taken into consideration or details, such as scaling.

[thekillman]

does anyone realise that gatebusters most likely aint cheap?

and yea, they just got their ships there, and like 10m later the ori came. anyway, any nuke in front wouldve been destroyed.

i have a much more interesting question: what if we still had orion, aurora, tria, and the traveler ship[if john wouldve gotten it].

i think we had a better chance, but we wouldve needed to find the ships after the ori contacting, or the ori were stronger to countereffect them.
if we wouldve gotten the asgard legacy, and then contacted the ori, we wouldve been toast. because the ori made their ships as strong as needed. daniel and vala gave the ori all info on what type of tech and ships we had, so they adjusted their ships to them. if we had been stronger, the ori had been stronger.

[kirmit]

does anyone realise that gatebusters most likely aint cheap?

and yea, they just got their ships there, and like 10m later the ori came. anyway, any nuke in front wouldve been destroyed.

i have a much more interesting question: what if we still had orion, aurora, tria, and the traveler ship[if john wouldve gotten it].

i think we had a better chance, but we wouldve needed to find the ships after the ori contacting, or the ori were stronger to countereffect them.
if we wouldve gotten the asgard legacy, and then contacted the ori, we wouldve been toast. because the ori made their ships as strong as needed. daniel and vala gave the ori all info on what type of tech and ships we had, so they adjusted their ships to them. if we had been stronger, the ori had been stronger.

Thank you for pointing that out, alot of people don't consider this.

[peragrin]

does anyone realise that gatebusters most likely aint cheap?

and yea, they just got their ships there, and like 10m later the ori came. anyway, any nuke in front wouldve been destroyed.

10 minutes after the Korlev arrived maybe. The Odesessy was there for a few hours, long enough to do a detailed scan of the gate and create a new control circuit for the gate.

As for Mining the gate. 1 minute with beaming tech. The gate forms, beam two or three mines right in front of the vessel. Hell just beaming a warhead on a 5 second timer would have worked wonders. I know the gate was interfering with beaming Sam, but that field would only extend so far. beaming in nukes on the edge would have limited the number of ships coming through.

[kirmit]

10 minutes after the Korlev arrived maybe. The Odesessy was there for a few hours, long enough to do a detailed scan of the gate and create a new control circuit for the gate.

As for Mining the gate. 1 minute with beaming tech. The gate forms, beam two or three mines right in front of the vessel. Hell just beaming a warhead on a 5 second timer would have worked wonders. I know the gate was interfering with beaming Sam, but that field would only extend so far. beaming in nukes on the edge would have limited the number of ships coming through.

The ships actually started coming through mere seconds after the Korolev arrived. As for the control circuit, I don't think that was created there and then, was probably created from data of the first supergate.

[thekillman]

well the asgard were there. they are one of the 4 great races, meaning contact with the ancients, meaning that they know how to operate gates. for them it wouldnt be too hard to make a new control crystal.
if we wouldve had bamsr ships[sans apollo], and the deady was around, this meant:

korolev: 4x beam cannon[based on BAMSR]
deadalus: 4x beam cannon
odyssey: fully upgraded. zpm.
loads of hataks.

take like, say, ten busters, place them strategically around the supergate, and blow them simultaniously. doubt the supergate can withstand that. several more busters ready to beam[1 sec after rematerializing] on each 304. beam cannons ready, each vessel has 10 mark II generators onboard. if a 304 has 7x more power, its hyperdrive, shields, weapons, everything can be fully powered[as a zpm makes the 304 go 7x faster in hyperspace. so the 304 has only 1/7 of the power it needs]
so then, you have shields at full, weapons at full, etc. the first wave wouldve been shredded. the second wave too. but then the question is: what will their next move be? our next could be to make a new replicator race, programmed not to harm the local group, and to attack the ori, not their followers