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jrd231
March 3rd, 2008, 06:30 AM
I was going to post this in the Deepest Darkets desires thread, but figured it needed its' own thread.

So here it is, the Offical Bring Back The Gate Campaign thread.

If there is one thing I've always wanted from Atlantis but have NEVER gotten is to see them use the Stargate. You never see anybody walk through it or even see it dialed anymore. It's called "Stargate" Atlantis for reason. Does anybody else miss this? If they're off world the episode always start off with them already being off world. Or, it cuts to them walking from the gate if they're required to go off world mid-episode. I want to see the gate dialed, and people WALKING through it.

I don't want hear any of these excuses either:

1. Production costs are too high to add the gate effects - SG-1 did it for ten years.

2. It takes up too much time that could be used for storytelling - SG-1 did it for ten years.

3. They have a Puddle Jumper so they don't have to walk through the gate anymore - SG teams have been going through the gate for a decade without a PJ.

4. They have the Daedalus now, and it's totally rad so they don't have to use the gate that much. - SG teams went off world without space fairing ships for the first 7 years.

If you agree, let me know

jenks
March 3rd, 2008, 06:56 AM
Atlantis isn't SG-1.

rarocks24
March 3rd, 2008, 07:09 AM
I was going to post this in the Deepest Darkets desires thread, but figured it needed its' own thread.

So here it is, the Offical Bring Back The Gate Campaign thread.

If there is one thing I've always wanted from Atlantis but have NEVER gotten is to see them use the Stargate. You never see anybody walk through it or even see it dialed anymore. It's called "Stargate" Atlantis for reason. Does anybody else miss this? If they're off world the episode always start off with them already being off world. Or, it cuts to them walking from the gate if they're required to go off world mid-episode. I want to see the gate dialed, and people WALKING through it.

I don't want hear any of these excuses either:

1. Production costs are too high to add the gate effects - SG-1 did it for ten years.

2. It takes up too much time that could be used for storytelling - SG-1 did it for ten years.

3. They have a Puddle Jumper so they don't have to walk through the gate anymore - SG teams have been going through the gate for a decade without a PJ.

4. They have the Daedalus now, and it's totally rad so they don't have to use the gate that much. - SG teams went off world without space fairing ships for the first 7 years.

If you agree, let me know

Atlantis is part of the Stargate franchise. However, Atlantis is about the city, her people, and their lives in the Pegasus galaxy. Not about the gate. Just as Universe is supposed to be about a ship sailing thru space (at least, that's what I've heard, haven't been following it's development). The "Stargate" in the title references it's connection to the franchise.

Don't like it, too bad.

That said, there's been several gate episodes. "38 Minutes", "First Strike", and there's another but I can't remember.

alex153
March 3rd, 2008, 08:01 AM
Atlantis is part of the Stargate franchise. However, Atlantis is about the city, her people, and their lives in the Pegasus galaxy. Not about the gate. Just as Universe is supposed to be about a ship sailing thru space (at least, that's what I've heard, haven't been following it's development). The "Stargate" in the title references it's connection to the franchise.

Don't like it, too bad.

That said, there's been several gate episodes. "38 Minutes", "First Strike", and there's another but I can't remember.

Just like previous poster said

Episodes like "Critical Mass", "Home" has been focused on the gate for some part.

"Rising", "The Storm", "The defiant one", "Suspicion", "Letter from pegasus" has also included the gate activating, and thats for season 1 only, except critical mass.;)

g.o.d
March 3rd, 2008, 08:06 AM
Atlantis isn't SG-1.

apparently not

Fenrir Foxz
March 3rd, 2008, 08:10 AM
Have you got a chant/rap for your campaign yet? :P


"Bring back teh gate..." :P

Amalthea
March 3rd, 2008, 08:23 AM
Well, the problem with shifting the focus to the Gate is that they have kind of shot themselves in the foot with the Wraith concept. Because the Wraith prevent planets from getting too advanced there's really no need for them to go exploring beyond Daniel-esque anthropological purposes. And even if they did that, I think we all would agree that hearing "Our culture was doing great until the Wraith showed up" week after week would be tiresome.

SG1 went through the gate to find advanced technology and had many fun adventures while not finding it on less advanced planets and finding it and not being allowed to take it on advanced ones. On Atlantis, this isn't possible beyond the search for more ZPMs. They have advanced technology already, both from Earth and from what they found on Atlantis.

The solutions to all this found for the Genii and the Travelers were creative. However, they can't be used again. "Oh look, another underground civilization!" would become tedious quickly.

So, the current set up for Atlantis makes it impossible for a lot of gate-based stories both because of how epicly bad the producers made the Wraith and because "Atlantis 1" is missing a "Daniel" to be absolutely fascinated with everything he finds on the other side. Perhaps the non-"Daniel" situation will change in season 5 (Dr. Porter or whatever she's called now?), but they can't reverse what they've set up as a reality with the Wraith.

As much as I miss the gate journeys as well, because of all this, I know there won't be very many for Atlantis. It's best to just embrace the show as it is.

Myles
March 3rd, 2008, 08:30 AM
I don't understand this problem with them not showing the gate activating or showing every moment of them using it. It's been shown thousands of times! I'd rather have 30 seconds to a minute of more action, information, or whatever rather then, 'click...click...click...click...click...click...click...sawoosh' everyone walks through... camera switch to gate room... you get the point. Why does that need to happen at every opportunity? :S

Stewart5
March 3rd, 2008, 08:35 AM
I don't understand this problem with them not showing the gate activating or showing every moment of them using it. It's been shown thousands of times! I'd rather have 30 seconds to a minute of more action, information, or whatever rather then, 'click...click...click...click...click...click...click...sawoosh' everyone walks through... camera switch to gate room... you get the point. Why does that need to happen at every opportunity? :S

I agree with this. The gate is used in plenty of episodes.

jrd231
March 3rd, 2008, 08:42 AM
Clearly I am the only one who wants MOAR GATE.

Although you all make valid points, I sitll want MOAR GATE.

BubblingOverWithIdeas
March 3rd, 2008, 10:15 AM
In the last three seasons of Atlantis and SG-1, it has seemed like emphasis has shifted from stargates to starships.

crowmagnumman
March 3rd, 2008, 10:39 AM
Of course the Stargate should always be an important part of the franchise, but so far I haven't noticed it being neglected too much.

thekillman
March 4th, 2008, 11:04 AM
i like SGA with the 304. sg1 stepped through the gate for 10 years. now can we finally see different things? there was a "chevron one encoded" joke in "rising" wich was funny, as sga doesnt do that. its purely a walter/sg1 thing.

like the dialing. sg1 was click spin click spin click spin click spin click spin click spin click spin kawoosh

sga is clickclickclickclickclickclickclick kawoosh

for sg1 its ok. for sga , you need the quick dial. it was made by the ancients for cryin out loud

Mitchell82
March 4th, 2008, 02:43 PM
I was going to post this in the Deepest Darkets desires thread, but figured it needed its' own thread.

So here it is, the Offical Bring Back The Gate Campaign thread.

If there is one thing I've always wanted from Atlantis but have NEVER gotten is to see them use the Stargate. You never see anybody walk through it or even see it dialed anymore. It's called "Stargate" Atlantis for reason. Does anybody else miss this? If they're off world the episode always start off with them already being off world. Or, it cuts to them walking from the gate if they're required to go off world mid-episode. I want to see the gate dialed, and people WALKING through it.
You are tough to please. They show the gate plenty of times but they don't always dial from Atlantis. Not a big deal. However Atlantis is about the City of the Ancients not the gate itself.


I don't want hear any of these excuses either:

1. Production costs are too high to add the gate effects - SG-1 did it for ten years.
And the excessive costs of having the gate as well as the extensive cost of the show got it canceled. They don't have to show going through the gate on Atlantis and the gate on the other end. It does save costs for the bigger and better effects.


2. It takes up too much time that could be used for storytelling - SG-1 did it for ten years.
No they didn't. They didn't always show dialing the gate at the SGC and going through it and arriving at the destination.


3. They have a Puddle Jumper so they don't have to walk through the gate anymore - SG teams have been going through the gate for a decade without a PJ.

4. They have the Daedalus now, and it's totally rad so they don't have to use the gate that much. - SG teams went off world without space fairing ships for the first 7 years.

If you agree, let me know
This is not SG-1. If you want SG-1 watch SG-1.

Ripple in Space
March 4th, 2008, 03:31 PM
Well, the problem with shifting the focus to the Gate is that they have kind of shot themselves in the foot with the Wraith concept. Because the Wraith prevent planets from getting too advanced there's really no need for them to go exploring beyond Daniel-esque anthropological purposes.

That's why Daniel's coming on-board for S5. I'd trade Keller and Teyla any day to have rotating SG-1 members (Jack, Sam, Daniel & Teal'c) more frequently.

wkw427
March 4th, 2008, 03:39 PM
Have you got a chant/rap for your campaign yet? :P


"Bring back teh gate..." :P
Gate, gate, bring the back the gate
if you dont care, dont hate
the show is afterall stargate
not to late to return the gate
full of thrills and spills and alot of wait
cause you gotta remember Mckay-Wraith-Bait!
so im gonna close my really sad rhyme for the final time
bring the gate back to stargate


That's why Daniel's coming on-board for S5. I'd trade Keller and Teyla any day to have rotating SG-1 members (Jack, Sam, Daniel & Teal'c) more frequently.

Don't think Jack would work good on Atlantis.
big things confuse him

Mitchell82
March 4th, 2008, 04:26 PM
That's why Daniel's coming on-board for S5. I'd trade Keller and Teyla any day to have rotating SG-1 members (Jack, Sam, Daniel & Teal'c) more frequently.

Not if you want to ruin the show. I love those characters and don't mind crossovers but you can over do it.

Fenrir Foxz
March 5th, 2008, 04:33 AM
Gate, gate, bring the back the gate
if you dont care, dont hate
the show is afterall stargate
not to late to return the gate
full of thrills and spills and alot of wait
cause you gotta remember Mckay-Wraith-Bait!
so im gonna close my really sad rhyme for the final time
bring the gate back to stargate

*Resumes singing*


"Bring back teh Gate... Without it Atlantis has not fate!" :P


Not if you want to ruin the show. I love those characters and don't mind crossovers but you can over do it.

Agreed, Crossovers can be a credit to the show if done right...

Mitchell82
March 5th, 2008, 10:45 AM
*Resumes singing*


"Bring back teh Gate... Without it Atlantis has not fate!" :P
:lol:




Agreed, Crossovers can be a credit to the show if done right...
Agreed.

Platschu
March 5th, 2008, 12:50 PM
jrd231 is right. We need more episode about the Pegasus gate system, so I support the campaign. :)

loki0808
March 6th, 2008, 12:49 AM
jrd231 is right. We need more episode about the Pegasus gate system, so I support the campaign. :)

Yes, more about the gate system and gate technology, but not more people walking through a vortex, it wastes valuable shooting time

thekillman
March 6th, 2008, 07:25 AM
well one of the biggest atlantis+ gate feats was the midway.

Sam & Jack Shipper
March 6th, 2008, 08:23 AM
Clearly I am the only one who wants MOAR GATE.

Although you all make valid points, I sitll want MOAR GATE.
No, you aren't the only one. I love watching teams come thru the gate.
And the Atlantis game is "cooler" than the SG-1 gate. :)

jasminaGo
March 6th, 2008, 09:45 AM
No, you aren't the only one. I love watching teams come thru the gate.
And the Atlantis game is "cooler" than the SG-1 gate. :)

No way. Did you saw 200 in SG1
Spinning is so much cooler then not spinning-puppet Hammond

:D

I support it to. The more of the gate the better.

Jumper_One
March 6th, 2008, 10:23 AM
No way. Did you saw 200 in SG1
Spinning is so much cooler then not spinning-puppet Hammond

:D

I support it to. The more of the gate the better.

;)
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/SG-1/sg1-10x06-3442.jpg
HAMMOND: Sergeant? Make it spin

Fenrir Foxz
March 6th, 2008, 10:26 AM
;)
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/SG-1/sg1-10x06-3442.jpg
HAMMOND: Sergeant? Make it spin

The puppet scene of '200' was awsome! :D I still die of laughter when they appear off world, fall to the ground and the puppet Teal'c laughs :P :lol:

FN-P90
March 6th, 2008, 04:26 PM
Yes, more about the gate system and gate technology, but not more people walking through a vortex, it wastes valuable shooting time

I agree they need to spend more time on what matters. The story line, imean they should not waste to much time on people
walking through a vortex but thats not to say a few more gate sence would not be nice here and there.

Mitchell82
March 6th, 2008, 11:13 PM
The puppet scene of '200' was awsome! :D I still die of laughter when they appear off world, fall to the ground and the puppet Teal'c laughs :P :lol:

I absolutely love 200 in all it's glory especially that scene.

Sam & Jack Shipper
March 7th, 2008, 07:13 AM
No way. Did you saw 200 in SG1
Spinning is so much cooler then not spinning-puppet Hammond

:D

I support it to. The more of the gate the better.
LOL...Ok, I have to say I had forgotten that line.

jdog
March 7th, 2008, 09:09 PM
The gate is sooo tired. Puddlejumpers are wired!

Professor D.H.D. Puddlejumper
March 9th, 2008, 12:05 AM
I was going to post this in the Deepest Darkets desires thread, but figured it needed its' own thread.

So here it is, the Offical Bring Back The Gate Campaign thread.

If there is one thing I've always wanted from Atlantis but have NEVER gotten is to see them use the Stargate. You never see anybody walk through it or even see it dialed anymore. It's called "Stargate" Atlantis for reason. Does anybody else miss this? If they're off world the episode always start off with them already being off world. Or, it cuts to them walking from the gate if they're required to go off world mid-episode. I want to see the gate dialed, and people WALKING through it.

I don't want hear any of these excuses either:

1. Production costs are too high to add the gate effects - SG-1 did it for ten years.

2. It takes up too much time that could be used for storytelling - SG-1 did it for ten years.

3. They have a Puddle Jumper so they don't have to walk through the gate anymore - SG teams have been going through the gate for a decade without a PJ.

4. They have the Daedalus now, and it's totally rad so they don't have to use the gate that much. - SG teams went off world without space fairing ships for the first 7 years.

If you agree, let me know

I agree with much of your post except perhaps to point out that the puddlejumpers are designed to be used in conjunction with the gates as they have no hyperdrive capabliity and thus rely on the gates to reach other star systems.

Otherwise I agree. The whole concept of the first series centered around that of an ancient network of stargates built by an ancient race, allowing instantaneous travel between worlds of our galaxy (and later other galaxies) and the endeavors of earth's humans (SG-1) to explore the galaxy using the gate system. The stargate was as much a star of the show as the SG-1 team themselves.

In the early episodes only the Goa'uld could traverse interstellar space using ships and I recall in the SG-1 pilot O'Neil saying that the Goa'uld could reach earth that way but that it would take months to do so. Later in the series that seemed to have been forgotten and ships were crisscrossing between worlds within our galaxy in a matter of hours.

All this simply undermines the whole concept of the stargate network. If the ships are so fast why bother with the stargates?


However Atlantis is about the City of the Ancients not the gate itself.

While that is partially so, the stargate is still central to the whole concept as the series' title implies.

Personally I liked the first season when the Atlantis team members were completely isolated from earth and had to rely on their own ingenuity to keep the Wraith at bay. The gate system in Pegasus ruled. When they brought the Daedalus into the show in Season 2 things changed and again travel between worlds became easy, only this time it was between galaxies as well. The gate system again became less important. In some episodes the gate isn't even seen or mentioned. In "Travelers" I might as well have been watching an episode of Andromeda.

Myles
March 9th, 2008, 01:20 PM
I agree with much of your post except perhaps to point out that the puddlejumpers are designed to be used in conjunction with the gates as they have no hyperdrive capabliity and thus rely on the gates to reach other star systems.

Otherwise I agree. The whole concept of the first series centered around that of an ancient network of stargates built by an ancient race, allowing instantaneous travel between worlds of our galaxy (and later other galaxies) and the endeavors of earth's humans (SG-1) to explore the galaxy using the gate system. The stargate was as much a star of the show as the SG-1 team themselves.

In the early episodes only the Goa'uld could traverse interstellar space using ships and I recall in the SG-1 pilot O'Neil saying that the Goa'uld could reach earth that way but that it would take months to do so. Later in the series that seemed to have been forgotten and ships were crisscrossing between worlds within our galaxy in a matter of hours.

All this simply undermines the whole concept of the stargate network. If the ships are so fast why bother with the stargates?



While that is partially so, the stargate is still central to the whole concept as the series' title implies.

Personally I liked the first season when the Atlantis team members were completely isolated from earth and had to rely on their own ingenuity to keep the Wraith at bay. The gate system in Pegasus ruled. When they brought the Daedalus into the show in Season 2 things changed and again travel between worlds became easy, only this time it was between galaxies as well. The gate system again became less important. In some episodes the gate isn't even seen or mentioned. In "Travelers" I might as well have been watching an episode of Andromeda.

Cuz not everyone has access to a super fast space ship...