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haloplayer
March 1st, 2008, 03:01 PM
I head that Carson when he died (not talking about the clone) he ascended. I dont believe this theory because Carson's body had not disappeared and was buried.

Now the question was how was Carson able to talk to McKay at the end of Sunday?

I have heard before that the Carson McKay was talking to was actually a Mental Image created by McKay's brain (Conscience) for some reason which appeared to him in a dream/hallucination which can really happen in Real life.

I heard that theory was true somewhere. What do you guys think?

Locutus_Of_Borg
March 1st, 2008, 04:27 PM
Everybody knows he didn't ascend we all know this. It is true that McKay did create a mental image of Carson, I'm pretty sure the writers just intended it to be that little bit extra then just killing him off straight away and not explaining anything.

But to answer your first part, no he did not ascend, and to your second, it was in his mind.

And lastly, I don't think that was the real Carson in the way we know it from later in season 4 but I'll let you watch those and not spoil anything.

The_Carpenter
March 1st, 2008, 04:47 PM
I head that Carson when he died (not talking about the clone) he ascended. I dont believe this theory because Carson's body had not disappeared and was buried.

Now the question was how was Carson able to talk to McKay at the end of Sunday?

I have heard before that the Carson McKay was talking to was actually a Mental Image created by McKay's brain (Conscience) for some reason which appeared to him in a dream/hallucination which can really happen in Real life.

I heard that theory was true somewhere. What do you guys think?

Simply put it was a creation of Rodneys mind, most likely a dream as much as I hate psychology (It is a soft science) it makes sense he misses his friend so his sub concious creates a means for him to say goodbye

haloplayer
March 1st, 2008, 06:06 PM
Simply put it was a creation of Rodneys mind, most likely a dream as much as I hate psychology (It is a soft science) it makes sense he misses his friend so his sub concious creates a means for him to say goodbye

Ya similar to how his subconscious created Samantha Carter in Grace Under Pressure to help him with his stressful situation when he was in the sinking jumper.

Ok thanks anyway for the replays. I just wanted to hear what other people had to say.

SteelGate
March 1st, 2008, 07:54 PM
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What if Micheal can use a power, like he did with Teyla, to talk too McKay?

The.Road.Not.Taken
March 2nd, 2008, 02:44 AM
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What if Micheal can use a power, like he did with Teyla, to talk too McKay?

why would he want to do that though

P-90_177
March 2nd, 2008, 02:52 AM
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What if Micheal can use a power, like he did with Teyla, to talk too McKay?

Nah. It was a hallucination.

Jackie
March 2nd, 2008, 06:10 AM
What if it really was Carson's spirit? Haven't any of you had weird things happen after a friend or relative die?

Nearly every religion in the world believes in life after death...why dismiss that possibility?

I've experienced a real life haunting and there isn't a doubt in my mind that something goes on after we die.

I think the writer's intended to show some sort of life after death view!

Think about it, McKay is a FACT type of guy who goes by the numbers. He, himself might even consider the experience something his mind came up with but the image of Carson foretold them meeting again. Wouldn't it be within a writer's interest to actually show McKay interacting with Carson's spirit.

Why dismiss our own beliefs? It amazes me how fans can come up with explanations of How Carson would survive, including beam out technology as if it was accepted fact and yet dismiss one of the most common held beliefs in the world.

Maybe, just maybe the scene was what it looked liked. Carson's spirit coming back to tell his friend he will see him again.

:)

jenks
March 2nd, 2008, 06:34 AM
This is scifi not fantasy.

Ugly Pig
March 2nd, 2008, 06:51 AM
What if it really was Carson's spirit?

Because McKay was completely non-surprised at "seeing" Carson, which implies that he didn't actually see him at all. The whole "conversation" was just a visualization of McKay's thoughts.

Jackie
March 2nd, 2008, 04:25 PM
Because McKay was completely non-surprised at "seeing" Carson, which implies that he didn't actually see him at all. The whole "conversation" was just a visualization of McKay's thoughts.

I take it you've never seen a ghost before. You don't run away screaming like in the movies...lol.

Jackie
March 2nd, 2008, 04:25 PM
This is scifi not fantasy.


have you watched the sci-fi channel lately?

PG15
March 2nd, 2008, 04:30 PM
I take it you've never seen a ghost before. You don't run away screaming like in the movies...lol.

You say that as if ghosts were real. ;)

haloplayer
March 2nd, 2008, 07:23 PM
I take it you've never seen a ghost before. You don't run away screaming like in the movies...lol.

Well you said that McKay saw Carson's spirit but something similar happened with McKay when he saw Samantha Carter in the Sinking Jumper in Season 3. And that was a manifestation of Sam and was not real. McKay's Sub-Conscious has created a manifestation before so i wouldn't be surprised that it did it again when he was in depression about Carson's death and was blaming himself.

jenks
March 3rd, 2008, 03:30 AM
have you watched the sci-fi channel lately?

Stargate isn't made by SciFi.

Ugly Pig
March 3rd, 2008, 08:54 AM
I take it you've never seen a ghost before. You don't run away screaming like in the movies...lol.

No, but I doubt I'd react like Rodney did to Carson's "appearance" - that is, completely casual and unsurprised. Especially considering this is McKay, who really isn't into spiritual stuff.

ciannwn
March 3rd, 2008, 11:56 AM
Maybe, just maybe the scene was what it looked liked. Carson's spirit coming back to tell his friend he will see him again.

I interpreted it as another hallucination on the lines of 'Grace Under Pressure'. Stargate presents a materialistic explanation for everything and has yet to indicate that peoples' spirits live on after they are dead. There's also the fact that Beckett asks Rodney how things went back on Earth and if there was a good turnout at the church. If this had really been Beckett's spirit he'd have been there himself.

artbrann
March 3rd, 2008, 12:42 PM
when I first saw them talking in Sunday
I thought it was akin to talking to a stone in a graveyard, trying to seek closure

Ugly Pig
March 3rd, 2008, 03:41 PM
when I first saw them talking in Sunday
I thought it was akin to talking to a stone in a graveyard, trying to seek closure

Bingo.

MartianManhunter
March 3rd, 2008, 05:03 PM
I head that Carson when he died (not talking about the clone) he ascended. I dont believe this theory because Carson's body had not disappeared and was buried.

Now the question was how was Carson able to talk to McKay at the end of Sunday?

I have heard before that the Carson McKay was talking to was actually a Mental Image created by McKay's brain (Conscience) for some reason which appeared to him in a dream/hallucination which can really happen in Real life.

I heard that theory was true somewhere. What do you guys think?

To me it looks like McKay deals with extremely difficult mental situations by conjuring up mental illusions that help him cope.

Amalthea
March 3rd, 2008, 09:08 PM
They just did it because it looked better than Rodney talking to himself or to a wall. There's no greater meaning beyond Rodney's grief.

Mitchell82
March 4th, 2008, 08:19 AM
To me it looks like McKay deals with extremely difficult mental situations by conjuring up mental illusions that help him cope.

It does seem like that doesn't it. However I liked how sweet that was.