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SpetzAU
March 1st, 2008, 05:49 AM
The final scene, where Carson is being put into stasis, was not pulled off correctly. No, it's not the fact that he was put into stasis, it's how it was portrayed.

I'm in the camp that believes this important scene should have been much more emotional and dramatic.

What was wrong with it? I can't put my finger on it, but I'd say it was one or more of the following:


The suggestion by Keller that he go into stasis was done a tad too early in the episode; so the shock we should have felt when he went into stasis was removed.

It was too clinical. Everyone was lined up, ready to say their pseudo-goodbyes on cue. Their reactions to it seemed forced.

When the camera pulled away right at the end we should have seen all their faces from the front, their facial expressions, not their backs and just the faces of Beckett and McKay.

For those of us who've seen the SG-1 episode "The Lost City", you'll remember the stasis scene there. Maybe expectations were too influenced by that one.


You know, maybe that's how that's they wanted the scene to be played out. Maybe placing Carson in stasis was meant to be a clinical non-dramatic non-sad process....




(Carson/McGillion himself was excellent in EVERY scene.)

txTart
March 1st, 2008, 07:07 AM
I thought it was beautifully done. It was the goodbye scene that we should have had the "first" time Carson left. He said goodbye to everyone, individually, and the love and respect they had for him was right there.

Pharaoh Atem
March 1st, 2008, 07:10 AM
my only probelm with the final scene was that rodney didn't really say anything heart felt .....the dream line didn't work for me at all.

Barbaro
March 1st, 2008, 08:26 AM
If you watch Carter closely it seems like she does a semblance of the gasp that she did when O'Neill was put into the one in Antartica. I thought it was beautifully done, myself. We know McKay already said goodby to Carson in his imagination at the end of Sunday so in his mind he would have no reason to do it again. He also alludes to that when he says that that's how he "remembered it".

stclare
March 1st, 2008, 08:38 AM
Mckay not saying anything or hugging Carson I felt was a bit weird, but maybe in the previous chat they had (where Carson said he knew his prognosis) they said there good byes then?

Klenotka
March 1st, 2008, 08:41 AM
It would make sense. Fans: "Imagine they said goodbye to each other so we donĀ“t have to write it there" :rolleyes:

kymeric
March 1st, 2008, 08:45 AM
I bought it. It was sad and depressing. It was a good tribute to Lost City. The carter bits felt alittle off but i guess she needed to be there. Was that a new room? Refurbished antartica room set maybe?

s09119
March 1st, 2008, 09:07 AM
my only probelm with the final scene was that rodney didn't really say anything heart felt .....the dream line didn't work for me at all.

That's Rodney though; he's very awkward in situations like that.

JSPuddlejumper
March 1st, 2008, 09:23 AM
Huh?

So they can thaw him out as needed by the producer.

Like Teyla needs time off for after the pregancy, so she disspears for a while.

maylet
March 1st, 2008, 09:35 AM
I thought it was beautifully done. It was the goodbye scene that we should have had the "first" time Carson left. He said goodbye to everyone, individually, and the love and respect they had for him was right there.

I agree

P-90_177
March 1st, 2008, 09:48 AM
The final scene, where Carson is being put into stasis, was not pulled off correctly. No, it's not the fact that he was put into stasis, it's how it was portrayed.

I'm in the camp that believes this important scene should have been much more emotional and dramatic.

What was wrong with it? I can't put my finger on it, but I'd say it was one or more of the following:


The suggestion by Keller that he go into stasis was done a tad too early in the episode; so the shock we should have felt when he went into stasis was removed.

It was too clinical. Everyone was lined up, ready to say their pseudo-goodbyes on cue. Their reactions to it seemed forced.

When the camera pulled away right at the end we should have seen all their faces from the front, their facial expressions, not their backs and just the faces of Beckett and McKay.

For those of us who've seen the SG-1 episode "The Lost City", you'll remember the stasis scene there. Maybe expectations were too influenced by that one.


You know, maybe that's how that's they wanted the scene to be played out. Maybe placing Carson in stasis was meant to be a clinical non-dramatic non-sad process....




(Carson/McGillion himself was excellent in EVERY scene.)

Keep in mind that these people are used to Carson being dead. They still aren't 100% sure what to make of this new one but they're just glad to get him back. They also know for definate that there IS a way to keep him alive providing they find out exactly what Michael was injecting him with. So to them it isn't Carson going away it's them making sure that carson will be alive. That isn't something to be sad about.

naamiaiset
March 1st, 2008, 11:45 AM
Mckay not saying anything or hugging Carson I felt was a bit weird, but maybe in the previous chat they had (where Carson said he knew his prognosis) they said there good byes then?
I think mckay's silence worked. it's obvious he cares for carson and that might've been somewhat over-emphasized if they had a long emotional goodbye at the end. you pretty much knew what they would've said anyway. and, as someone else said, no one was sure quite how to react yet to carson being back.

Seftrex
March 1st, 2008, 11:47 AM
Mckay not saying anything or hugging Carson I felt was a bit weird, but maybe in the previous chat they had (where Carson said he knew his prognosis) they said there good byes then?

The way I see Mckay and his whole attitude is: he doesn't want to lose his best friend again and so he refuses to accept he could die.

Mckay lost him once and this was perhaps the happiest thing that has happened to him in awhile, he won't let anything hurt or remove his friend from him again.

JackHarkness_Hot
March 1st, 2008, 01:31 PM
I love the final scene. Okay, I wasn't on my needs crying but I did enjoy it, however I do agree if the camera was on their faces, capturing their emotions, it would have made the end scene even more emotional.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/CAPTX/finalscene.png

But I wasn't too fussed as some of you know already, there was the cute guy by the console behind carter that IMO, deserves a permanent role on Atlantis.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/CAPTX/Heycutiescientist.png

LOL :D

lewismnflwr
March 1st, 2008, 03:18 PM
J HH you really are stuck on the cutie in the backgroung lol

KindlyKeller
March 1st, 2008, 03:25 PM
I thought it worked perfectly. It was painful -- in a good way -- to watch Rodney's avoidance of the realities of the situation. And Paul was amazing. I've always liked Beckett, but not been 1/10 as attached to him as most people. At the end of this ep, though, I can safely say that Paul's performance in this episode is one of the past in the history of the franchise.

Aurora24
March 1st, 2008, 03:32 PM
I guess it was because I thought of clone Carson as being just like the real Carson that I thought that the last scene worked. The fact that Carson was going into stasis unfortunately wasn't much of a surprise because it was shown in the preview for the ep, but I thought that everyone seemed to react they way they should in that situation, especially Rodney. I know that some people have commented that he didn't have that much of an emotional reaction, but that to me was typical McKay, he doesn't do well with expressing the emotional stuff, so the line about programing dreams and him saying that this was "see you later" seemed natural, especially since it was also a reference to the conversation in Sunday. Rodney was trying to cope with potentially losing his best friend again.

Camaxtli
March 1st, 2008, 03:38 PM
Well in Rodney's words it wasn't a goodbye, but a "see you later", which is why a lot of the long emotional farewells were not there. Plus the team probably didn't want it to seem emotional to Carson incase he thought they knew there wasn't a chance. And knowing Rodney he'd be working on some kind of method to replicate that Wraith enzyme, which is why he chose not to make a big point of saying goodbye.

Also some of the crew (Carter mainly) do not know what to make of him, for all she knows Carson could still be a threat, which explains her distance to him.

Dutch_Razor
March 1st, 2008, 04:38 PM
My main problem with the scene was, I was like "zomg he's going to drop dead on the floor every second, put him in the pod NOW!"...

jyh
March 1st, 2008, 05:20 PM
I thought it was a very well-done scene. The letter Carson wrote to his 'mum' was a great touch, and I thought Carter handled it well. As noted, she's been through something similar, with someone she cared about a lot. She & Carson never worked together, but she fully grasps his feelings on the matter. The Sheppard goodbye was good, and I do think that Rodney's reaction was pure 100% Rodney: avoidance of actual emotional issue.

What felt wrong to me was Ronon's reaction. Didn't anyone else think that was out of character? Especially as cautious and suspicious as Ronon tends to be... I don't think he even really believed it was Carson. I mean, he HUGGED Carson. Even Sheppard didn't do that, and while Shep is by no means a 'touchy-feely' kind of person, Ronon is far less so.

I agree that it would have been nice to see everyone's faces (and Carson from behind the chamber), but I thought the current ending worked just as well. In fact, I thought the whole scene was VERY moving.

erb
March 1st, 2008, 05:42 PM
What felt wrong to me was Ronon's reaction. Didn't anyone else think that was out of character? Especially as cautious and suspicious as Ronon tends to be... I don't think he even really believed it was Carson. I mean, he HUGGED Carson. Even Sheppard didn't do that, and while Shep is by no means a 'touchy-feely' kind of person, Ronon is far less so.


I thought it was in character for Ronon in his dealings with Carson. Remember Sateda and Ronon hugging Carson there. This sort of interaction between the two characters has history behind it. Ronon is touchy-feely when it comes to Carson. And he doesn't even have to be trapped to force some emotion. ;)

Killdeer
March 1st, 2008, 05:44 PM
I thought it was in character for Ronon in his dealings with Carson. Remember Sateda and Ronon hugging Carson there. This sort of interaction between the two characters has history behind it. Ronon is touchy-feely when it comes to Carson. And he doesn't even have to be trapped to force some emotion. ;)

I agree - Ronon hugs people. He hugged Carson in Sateda, he hugged John in The Return, he hugged Rodney at the end of ToR. I didn't see anything out of character about this.

Briangate78
March 1st, 2008, 05:47 PM
Ending was perfect. Job well done! :cool:

jyh
March 1st, 2008, 05:50 PM
Okay, I stand corrected. I had actually forgotten about that last scene in Sateda. But still.... a hug??? Ah well, we all know the big guy has a big heart.

:ronan:

YutheGreat
March 1st, 2008, 06:39 PM
The final scene, where Carson is being put into stasis, was not pulled off correctly. No, it's not the fact that he was put into stasis, it's how it was portrayed.

I'm in the camp that believes this important scene should have been much more emotional and dramatic.

What was wrong with it? I can't put my finger on it, but I'd say it was one or more of the following:


The suggestion by Keller that he go into stasis was done a tad too early in the episode; so the shock we should have felt when he went into stasis was removed.

It was too clinical. Everyone was lined up, ready to say their pseudo-goodbyes on cue. Their reactions to it seemed forced.

When the camera pulled away right at the end we should have seen all their faces from the front, their facial expressions, not their backs and just the faces of Beckett and McKay.

For those of us who've seen the SG-1 episode "The Lost City", you'll remember the stasis scene there. Maybe expectations were too influenced by that one.


You know, maybe that's how that's they wanted the scene to be played out. Maybe placing Carson in stasis was meant to be a clinical non-dramatic non-sad process....




(Carson/McGillion himself was excellent in EVERY scene.)


They could have done it better I agree. In comparison to other stasis scenes like O'neil in Lost City or even Fifth in Unnatural Selection This scene wasn't as dramatic. but if they did the same as what they did with O'neil some may argue that they copied it so.

The only thing I want was Halling to show up and say "Doctor, you have made a difference...Thank you" hug. then fall back to show the Athosians who were rescued then stasis.