Were Hataks either new or relatively rare at the beginning of SG-1?

[jds1982]

Were Hataks (the kind we normally see, not Ra's type) either new or relatively rare at the beginning of SG-1? I ask this because back in season 1 Teal'c stated that he'd never been on that type of ship, and as a first prime I find that unlikely. Also the loss of those two ships was enough to severly weaken Apophis (although that may have just been from the loss of jaffa). Is it possible that the large number of Hataks we see later in the series weren't built until after the death of Ra and the resulting chaos among the System Lords?

[dboy-2007]

it really all depends what you meen by hat'ak. Until season 1 RA's mothership was the hat'ak design i think. The hat'ak's we see today are probably new models.

[jds1982]

it really all depends what you meen by hat'ak. Until season 1 RA's mothership was the hat'ak design i think.

(the kind we normally see, not Ra's

I mean the kind that every other system lord beside Ra and Heru'ur have had.

[a6346]

I think teal'cs qoute was more because he hadnt been on one with a stargate on it but not to sure ive been thinking the same.

Also weve seen teal'c on one of apophis's hat'acs before in the episode were he bra'tac makes him realise why he didnt think apophis was a god he stands on apophis's bridge i think we see an external shot of the ship but not to sure.

The reason it might of serverally weakened apophis's strength is cause i think at the start he was only a minor goauld only just being able to hold off the system lords but not to sure.

[jds1982]

Hmm I seem to remember Apophis being the second most powerful behind Ra, but I could be wrong.

[Jeffala]

Hmm I seem to remember Apophis being the second most powerful behind Ra, but I could be wrong.

I seem to remember it the same way. They set it up so that Apophis was Ra's direct rival, though with Ra being more powerful than not only Apophis, but all other System Lords.

[Ed]

Those hatak were loaded for a full scale invasion thats a lot of jaffa

and also the fact he got beat by primitives

[s09119]

Do we see a ha'tak in "Moebius?" I can't remember, but if we do it would prove that they were around back then.

[umopapisdn]

I don't beleive we do, which doesn't really say a lot.

[ManiacMike]

The ship Ra used was more of a Pleasure Yacht.

The original design for the Hataks which Teal'c was used to was the more round outer shell, with a 4 sided pyramid.

The newer models were smaller, with 3 sided pyramids. Those kind are mostly meant for space battles, while the 4 sided, are more like carriers meant to carry more death gliders and jaffa soldiers.

[ffstbh]

While we are talking about Ra... Was he the first goa'uld? I just watched the first movie and i must say it was very vague about the background info about the origin of the goa'uld. It wasn't even clear that he was a snake-like symbiote. Before i make a special thread maybe someone can enlighten me about the history of the goa'uld so i can make some specific questions, or if there already is a thread like this were can i find it?

[a6346]

While we are talking about Ra... Was he the first goa'uld? I just watched the first movie and i must say it was very vague about the background info about the origin of the goa'uld. It wasn't even clear that he was a snake-like symbiote. Before i make a special thread maybe someone can enlighten me about the history of the goa'uld so i can make some specific questions, or if there already is a thread like this were can i find it?

He was the first goauld to find Earth and enslave its culture and begin spreading them through the stars i think other goauld captured earth occasionally or captured them off world for there own purpose. As he had probably a few million or a couple hundred thousand slaves it wouldve put him into a powerful position to take control of what ever he wanted.

[Merrick178]

While we are talking about Ra... Was he the first goa'uld? I just watched the first movie and i must say it was very vague about the background info about the origin of the goa'uld. It wasn't even clear that he was a snake-like symbiote. Before i make a special thread maybe someone can enlighten me about the history of the goa'uld so i can make some specific questions, or if there already is a thread like this were can i find it?

At the beggining of "Homecoming," (SG-1 7.02) Lord Yu's first prime says that lord Yu is the oldest of the system lords. Of course we can't trust this but it does raise the likeliness of Ra not being the oldest, he was just the one who "discovered" humans.

[s09119]

At the beggining of "Homecoming," (SG-1 7.02) Lord Yu's first prime says that lord Yu is the oldest of the system lords. Of course we can't trust this but it does raise the likeliness of Ra not being the oldest, he was just the one who "discovered" humans.

He was the oldest amongst the current System Lords, of which Ra is not a member.

[Jarnin]

He was the oldest amongst the current System Lords, of which Ra is not a member.

Ra was the "Supreme System Lord", which was like their king. The System Lords were like his court of nobles, who governed specific regions of the galaxy, but Ra was the one in charge, until he got blown up that is.

Before Ra was ruler of the Goa'uld, Sokar was the big cheese. An alliance of Ra's and Apophis' forces (along with system lords) dethroned Sokar. Ra betrayed Apophis shortly there after.

So you have Ra ruling the system lords, and Apophis and Sokar demoted to "rogue" status. They both still had a lot of power, but not enough to take Ra and his system lords down.


As for the original question, yes, the Ha'tak's we see starting in season 1 are a new model. They're bigger, faster and more heavily armed than previous models (like Ra's ship from the movie).
It would seem that Apophis (or rather his engineering lackeys) designed the new model, but the others quickly (within a couple seasons) copied the designs and produced their own.