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    Ok im going to say my biggest problem with the stargate universe beyond all the plot holes beyond us being uber and such and that is that apart from russia no other countries have been given anything.

    It has been several years now since the us and russian goverments told britain france and china about the stargate program and ive got to say wtf have we gotten out of it apart from endless trouble the massive amounts of money being forked out for it and other problems.

    Were is the technology for this Firstly Britain see even in the sg universe the us president called us americas greatest ally which was even said in rl. Yet what have we gotten for the money we put into the IOA the man power we put into the atlantis project. We arent allowed to take any ancient tech back to the fatherland with us when we leave we havent been given anything for are troubles we dont even get 1 sg team were as the russians demanded one and got it and screwed up getting lots of people killed on a few occasions. we fought wars with you in iraq and afghanistan and got nothing a british citizen lost his life taking out a wraith hive saving atlantis and what did we get for it.

    We should atlest get a naqaudah generators to power cities like london beijing paris berlin and moscow but no Britain should atleast get the plans to F-302's but no.

    Does everybody feel the same and if not why not, sorry bout the crazzed ramblings.
    if it wasnt for Carters new plot shield we would be dead



    #2
    i completely agree

    as for the british bit i modeled ( or however it is spelled) a british ship its in my signature pic for anyone interested. Yeah I agree they should at least get plans to build the 302 then we might have a slight chance of standing up against any threats.



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      #3
      I agree too.

      It's one of the biggest plot hole in the series. I in the real world think there would be a war, or at least some embargo if the US don't give these techs to the ally countires.

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        #4
        Originally posted by HunGripen View Post
        I agree too.

        It's one of the biggest plot hole in the series. I in the real world think there would be a war, or at least some embargo if the US don't give these techs to the ally countires.
        its not even that they gota think what if in 3 months britain france china makes the uber device a device that is just wanted and does everything and anything ect ect like instant hyperdrive or can kill any ship planet or station from anywere in the universe in a single thought but why should we give it to the americans we didnt get anything so they shouldnt get it. But we all know british goverment would give it over for a hug they do with everything else labor goverment sucs.
        if it wasnt for Carters new plot shield we would be dead


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          #5
          i like the idea of doing a british fic where the stargate was found by britan. Or a british virtual fleet for ships that the british would build.



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            #6
            How many English people have you seen on Atlantis, that is the more important question.

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              #7
              Originally posted by XFire View Post
              How many English people have you seen on Atlantis, that is the more important question.
              quiet a few karson was british the operations guy in season 1 was british and just from looking at the arm bands there been 10 15 brits in the teams and as tech support
              if it wasnt for Carters new plot shield we would be dead


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                #8
                Carson was Scottish, and awesome I might add

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                  #9
                  and last time i checked scotland was apart of britain im british 2/6ths scotish 1/6th irish and 3/6th but anyhow that still doesnt matter. What i meant was we deserve equal rights to the technology even if britain doesnt put many people into atlantis expedition other countries do and its quality not quantity, look at mckay he's canadian and he's argurably the best scientist in the world other countries contribute alot mostly through funding the IOA/atlantis expedition and several other projects dont you think we deserve something in return?
                  if it wasnt for Carters new plot shield we would be dead


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                    #10
                    I think an awsome episode would be some ainchient tech turns up in england maybee near glastonbury like a wepons cach

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                      #11
                      Power london... what ?
                      It's a TV show, but i understand what you mean.
                      I can't speak for britain, but in case of ..let's say.. China, in real live, they are not responsible enough, most if not all of their policies are coldwar era, overall, they are too immature as a nation.

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                        #12
                        letting thos countries in on 304s would double production

                        US GDP 12,000 trillion
                        UK 2K trillion
                        France 2K trillion
                        Russia and china 4K trillion each

                        4+4+2+2= 12 doubled

                        italy and germany are 2K trillion each and japan is 6K india 4K

                        thats tripple the us alonso if it was shared as soon as deadalus was started we would have 15 304s cos korelev went boom

                        that may be the reason actualy 15 304s would kill anything

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                          #13
                          The primary concern of Stargate diplomacy seems to be secrecy. The Russians and Americans maintained secrecy about their Stargate programmes, their allies in the IOA don't appear in a rush to blurt out the news.

                          The basic idea being that no one knows what to expect. The public reaction to the Stargate and everything involved would likely be huge and volatile and completely unpredictable. The Road Not Taken episode is an example of one possible outcome. The world order would be shaken up, one way or another.

                          The common fear amongst the IOA members seems to be that if a reaction is volatile, any government that had kept this secret for years would become the target of public anger. In Disclosure, Britain/France/China had only just learned of the Gate, they had the option then to disclose to the public. But they've now kept the secret for years, becoming just as 'guilty' as the Americans and Russians.

                          Democratic governments would be thrown out in elections, non-democratic nations could see the rise of armed groups demanding various things, even perhaps a few rebellions. The worst case scenario would be wars over access to alien technology.

                          There is a secondary motivation for secrecy, shared only by the non-American members. America has access to the most powerful ships and naquadah technology. In any war, it would have a serious advantage, except it can't use its most powerful technology as long as the Gate remains a secret.

                          It is similar in a way to Cold War politics ; America has the best weapons but they can't be used until the trigger on the secret is pulled. Many sides could pull the trigger on the secret, but they won't as long as America has the best weapons, because as soon as the secret is out, the U.S will definitely use its advantage.

                          This has given the Americans some leeway in reneging and dragging their feet on giving out technology according to their agreements, because there is little jilted IOA members can do except pull the trigger on the secret, which they are reluctant to do. Thus, it becomes a matter of seeing how far the IOA members can be pushed. Jack O'Neill doesn't have an enviable job in this respect.

                          There is a large degree of complexity involved in the American strategy. They have seemingly placed their military Gate operations on a par with the political authority. The characters no longer refer to the President calling the shots, but rather the head of HomeWorld Security. This means that the IOA likely won't retaliate politically and economically against the elected U.S Administration, but rather will bring their concerns to the unelected powerful military. Presumably, HomeWorld placates the IOA by trying to involve various militaries in it, but it is clear that the Americans are calling the shots. Jack O'Neill really doesn't have an enviable job.

                          There is one final consideration : money. Even if IOA members have access to schematics, it is still an expensive exercise to build a ship or to run a Gate program. The Americans have successfully hidden their huge expenditure in the twists and turns of their massive budgets (and are likely, similar to real life, running deficits as a result). It has never been made clear just who pays for the Atlantis expedition, but it seems likely the Americans pay the lion share, as it's always been an American base commander.

                          In a brilliant move, the Americans have placed the IOA in charge of the SGC. The IOA jointly covers the massive expense (thereby reducing their ability to covertly build ships) and acquires the right to ultimately control the actions of General Landry. But because the SGC's decisions must often be made quickly, General Landry makes the call and then his decision is dissected afterwards.

                          It appears as if Atlantis these days is in a similar situation, except that due to the security situation in the Pegasus galaxy, the security contingent is firmly authoritative and the American HomeWorld (again poor old Jack) has the most clout. It would be interesting indeed to see if the IOA strongly objected to a base commander that Jack personally endorsed. That dynamic has likely been both Weir and Sam's best defence against the IOA.

                          Because the IOA is made up of multiple members, and their concerns are oversight, economic and secretive, naturally their meetings are comprised of bureaucrats. This means not only is Woolsey the true face of the IOA, but there would be very little substantive agreement amongst the members, which in turn has given General Landry and Atlantis space to do as they please, as long as they don't make a huge mistake.

                          In conclusion, money and secrecy drive Stargate diplomacy. This has lead to bureaucrats (i.e. Woolsey) been placed nominally in charge, but the Americans have found a way to let their active heroes lead the charge. Whether or not that is really fair, well that's up for debate.

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                            #14
                            Hey how do you think Australian feels we haven’t had any background extras let alone characters. New Zealand had an extra in the pilot even Zimbabwe and South Africa have been on.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by YodaMate View Post

                              There is one final consideration : money. Even if IOA members have access to schematics, it is still an expensive exercise to build a ship or to run a Gate program. The Americans have successfully hidden their huge expenditure in the twists and turns of their massive budgets (and are likely, similar to real life, running deficits as a result). It has never been made clear just who pays for the Atlantis expedition, but it seems likely the Americans pay the lion share, as it's always been an American base commander.

                              In a brilliant move, the Americans have placed the IOA in charge of the SGC. The IOA jointly covers the massive expense (thereby reducing their ability to covertly build ships) and acquires the right to ultimately control the actions of General Landry. But because the SGC's decisions must often be made quickly, General Landry makes the call and then his decision is dissected afterwards.

                              It appears as if Atlantis these days is in a similar situation, except that due to the security situation in the Pegasus galaxy, the security contingent is firmly authoritative and the American HomeWorld (again poor old Jack) has the most clout. It would be interesting indeed to see if the IOA strongly objected to a base commander that Jack personally endorsed. That dynamic has likely been both Weir and Sam's best defence against the IOA.

                              Because the IOA is made up of multiple members, and their concerns are oversight, economic and secretive, naturally their meetings are comprised of bureaucrats. This means not only is Woolsey the true face of the IOA, but there would be very little substantive agreement amongst the members, which in turn has given General Landry and Atlantis space to do as they please, as long as they don't make a huge mistake.

                              In conclusion, money and secrecy drive Stargate diplomacy. This has lead to bureaucrats (i.e. Woolsey) been placed nominally in charge, but the Americans have found a way to let their active heroes lead the charge. Whether or not that is really fair, well that's up for debate.
                              The other nations haven't got to run a whole Stargate Program, they just need to build ships and study technologies.

                              Originally posted by YodaMate View Post
                              It is similar in a way to Cold War politics ; America has the best weapons but they can't be used until the trigger on the secret is pulled. Many sides could pull the trigger on the secret, but they won't as long as America has the best weapons, because as soon as the secret is out, the U.S will definitely use its advantage.
                              In Cold War, ecpecially in the first years, the Russians had better weapons in some technologies (For example:rockets, more manevoruble aircrafts etc.), of course the US had more high tech weapons.

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