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atfan
February 5th, 2008, 09:38 PM
I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on how Sam would end up leaving Atlantis keep in mind that she is going to still guest from time to time. I know the IOA will be involved but I think it will have to do with her going against something they didn't like any ideas?:)

geewillie86
February 5th, 2008, 10:22 PM
I imagine that they'll give her a ship to command. Either that, or they will have her oversee some major scientific project in the MW.

Pharaoh Atem
February 5th, 2008, 10:26 PM
it was a short list of people who the ioa wanted to command Atlantis ....so it might have been a temp job untill the ioa found someone more permanent.

maybe sam knew it would be short term

Icedragon
February 6th, 2008, 03:00 AM
I like the idea of her commanding a ship. It gives a good possiblity for reoccuring appearances.

Will Thorne
February 6th, 2008, 03:08 AM
I'm thinking, and this is pure speculation, that it might have something to do with...
....the way she handles the rescue mission in 'Search and Rescue'.

Demonique
February 6th, 2008, 03:29 AM
Is it possible that it could have something to do with SciFi Channel picking up Sanctuary for 13 episodes? Amanda's the main star so it stands to reason that she'd be in almost every ep

The_Carpenter
February 6th, 2008, 03:35 AM
Is it possible that it could have something to do with SciFi Channel picking up Sanctuary for 13 episodes? Amanda's the main star so it stands to reason that she'd be in almost every ep

Well yes thats the reason Amanda's leaving. This threads about how they are going to write Carter out of being the Commander of Atlantis.

the blackheart
February 6th, 2008, 03:36 AM
im guessing it might have something to do with SG1, i mean if they want to keep making the direct to DVD films theres gonna have to get her back to be in it.
maybe shes just recalled to the SGC or area 51 for the time being. It wouldnt be the first time shes been needed at A51.

sueKay
February 6th, 2008, 03:40 AM
Here's what I think will happen, based on the spoiler of her conversation with Rodney in 'Search and Rescue'

I think that the IOA will not have been happy with a Military Commander, and will have found a way to forceably remove her from Atlantis. Hence why out of the blue, she's packed her bags and deflects Rodney's enquiry about the bags.

I think they'll push Carter out of the job, and that they'll put Woolsey in her place...Initially he'll be completely IOA, causing problems and butting heads, but I think like Caldwell did, he'll realise that Atlantis is Atlantis, and things have to be done differently...I think by the end of the season, he'll probably be more loyal to Atlantis than the IOA, but there'll still be bad blood for pushing Carter out of her job so swiftly.

Malakriss
February 6th, 2008, 03:47 AM
Sheppard changes the past in the last episode of Season 4. Upon his return he finds Woolsey is in command and Carter is around doing science things.

Also affected by the changed timeline: the painting from Outcast has been altered slightly, FRAN is somehow still around, Atlantis has 3 ZPMs, we salvaged the Ancient ship from The Return, Teyla's pregnant from Sheppard, McKay is married, and all plot holes have mysteriously disappeared from the universe.

Cree
February 6th, 2008, 04:08 AM
I think its going to be something along the line of the IOA being against the \S&R mission but sam doing it anyway and they see it as botched, much like they did with Heroes, so they remove her and if i recall though didnt some one say something about a court episode, perhaps a court martial, maybe that will be sam??

Flyboy
February 6th, 2008, 04:31 AM
I imagine that they'll give her a ship to command. Either that, or they will have her oversee some major scientific project in the MW.
Agh! WHY WHY WHY a ship?

"Hey this person is an Air Force officer, this means they can do ANY job, regardless of whether it was what they were trained for or if they're experience lends to it!"

Carter commanding Atlantis was a stretch. A REAL stretch. As a military officer, she would usually only command groups based on her role, which is SCIENCE> But, Station Commanders have to come from somewhere, so it is sort of permissable that she became the Atlantis "station commander". But commanding a ship is different, and not only would that be a step down, but I think would be a horrific move based on expertise.

Skydiver
February 6th, 2008, 04:38 AM
what i'm hoping for

sam says 'i only signed up for a year'

basially teh IOA was doing a nation wide search for the 'perfect' leader...but these things take time. so sam gets sent there to clean things up and settle the variuos wars so it's nice and pretty when the new commander gets there. she doesn't lose her command as much as her assignment comes to an end.

but, it's been a year...and they have no one. largely because, woolsey, the ONLY member of the committee that has actually left earth, negates candidate after candidate cause he can't see them working.

finally, annoyed as heck, the IOA says 'fine, tell ya what, you do it' and he's assigned there...quite against his will.

it allows sam to save face and not be demoted - AGAIN - and puts woolsey there in a more sympathetic attitude rather than 'me boss, you underling'.

i want her last line to him to be 'don't get everyone killed' before she goes home, to let him deal with things as he can

atfan
February 6th, 2008, 04:55 AM
what i'm hoping for

sam says 'i only signed up for a year'

basially teh IOA was doing a nation wide search for the 'perfect' leader...but these things take time. so sam gets sent there to clean things up and settle the variuos wars so it's nice and pretty when the new commander gets there. she doesn't lose her command as much as her assignment comes to an end.

but, it's been a year...and they have no one. largely because, woolsey, the ONLY member of the committee that has actually left earth, negates candidate after candidate cause he can't see them working.

finally, annoyed as heck, the IOA says 'fine, tell ya what, you do it' and he's assigned there...quite against his will.

it allows sam to save face and not be demoted - AGAIN - and puts woolsey there in a more sympathetic attitude rather than 'me boss, you underling'.

i want her last line to him to be 'don't get everyone killed' before she goes home, to let him deal with things as he can

I agree a court martial thing while interesting would effectively distroy her career unless she was found innocent. What position could they give her that wouldn't be a demotion though I can't think of any.

silly sally
February 6th, 2008, 04:59 AM
The only position that i think will be higher than commanding Atlantis would be commanding SGC, but I don't think they'll give her that. More likely she'll be in command of the Oddissey and thus being able to pop in and out of Atlantis.

atfan
February 6th, 2008, 05:14 AM
Agh! WHY WHY WHY a ship?

"Hey this person is an Air Force officer, this means they can do ANY job, regardless of whether it was what they were trained for or if they're experience lends to it!"

Carter commanding Atlantis was a stretch. A REAL stretch. As a military officer, she would usually only command groups based on her role, which is SCIENCE> But, Station Commanders have to come from somewhere, so it is sort of permissable that she became the Atlantis "station commander". But commanding a ship is different, and not only would that be a step down, but I think would be a horrific move based on expertise.

If you are an officer with previous command experience which she has then her chosen degree/field doesn't matter. She was a pilot at one point in time has ten years experience in a front-line combat unit as second in command and leading it as well. She has experience dealing with alien technology at the upper command levels she would no longer be considered just a science offficer but rather a line officer which is unrestricted in what command jobs you can hold this occurs at the Colonel level and above in all services. At the upper levels of O-5 and above this makes sense you need a leader not a specialist. How many people do you think even have the security clearance to take such a high level job not many. Out of those none have her experience of off-world time or combat makes sense from a logistics standpoint alone. There is no such thing as just a science officer there are medical officers/chaplains/Engineers/Pilots/Navigators/Medical Administration/ Special Forces but not science. The fact that the airforce let her continue science was a bonus not a requirement. If she was a civilian I would agree but not with her military background add to that she attended the Airforce academy where most of the higher level officers get their start.

The_Carpenter
February 6th, 2008, 05:17 AM
Maybe she just stands down, so she can devote more time to research.

I don't think she was that comfortable in a command role tbh.

JohnRico
February 6th, 2008, 05:18 AM
I really hope Sam does not end up as some play thing for the IOA to boss around & they force her to get out like Woolsey is the IOAs play thing to order around. I am hoping that Sam just gets I guess you can say an opportunity of a life time some where back on Earth & she pretty much like anyone else would want to move on bigger & better things. I dont think the IOA has the balls to just kick someone out. Hopefully Sam just decides to take a better offer & THEN the IOA moves in & makes a "Power Play".

Aethon
February 6th, 2008, 06:29 AM
Im not sure, she will probably return to the SGC...

I hope I get to see the ep I want, I want Sam to be under some kind of curse and go all crazy about rodney, that would be hilarious. I still miss her technobabble, even though she is the new commander I still miss it...

atfan
February 6th, 2008, 06:36 AM
ewww okay not rodney please anyone else but him would be funny though.

Flyboy
February 6th, 2008, 06:41 AM
If you are an officer with previous command experience which she has then her chosen degree/field doesn't matter. She was a pilot at one point in time has ten years experience in a front-line combat unit as second in command and leading it as well. She has experience dealing with alien technology at the upper command levels she would no longer be considered just a science offficer but rather a line officer which is unrestricted in what command jobs you can hold this occurs at the Colonel level and above in all services. At the upper levels of O-5 and above this makes sense you need a leader not a specialist. How many people do you think even have the security clearance to take such a high level job not many. Out of those none have her experience of off-world time or combat makes sense from a logistics standpoint alone. There is no such thing as just a science officer there are medical officers/chaplains/Engineers/Pilots/Navigators/Medical Administration/ Special Forces but not science. The fact that the airforce let her continue science was a bonus not a requirement. If she was a civilian I would agree but not with her military background add to that she attended the Airforce academy where most of the higher level officers get their start.

1 - Carter's primary role in the Air Force was science based in her research into the Stargate. Like it or not, the majority of her career was spent as a scientist, not really a bonus.

2 - Carter being a pilot does NOT work. Not only do I doubt that she would have moved from pilot to research so easily, or with enough time to both at such a young age, but from what I've heard there's controversy surrounding the assertion that she got over 1000hours air time when she did based on actual female flying regulations in the USAF. Admittadly, this last bit I do not know for sure, but still.

3 - My issue with her commanding Atlantis is not the very fact that she did, but she lacked experience before she did. Early military commands will ALWAYS be in your branch. Being in charge of a signals platoon etc, later you move on to general commands, like being a station commander. Sam missed out this middle step, she MAY have had a command at Area 51, but that seemed to be short lived, and her command of Sg1 in S8 was a joke, and is in no way preperation for a command as big as Atlantis.

My overall point is that it took Jack 8 years to get a command, and even as a full bird Colonal he was running around in fields. Sam, now full bird, is being given a company arguably just as sophisticated as the SGC, I'd expect, any military leader to be at least 1 star in that position, based on the Gateverse's assertion of importance of the SGC and Atlantis. Although minor commands, such as a beta site etc, I'd expect from Lt Colonal onwards, based on the fact that my current station commander is a Wing Commander, which I belive is equivilient to a US Lt Colonal.

In essence, I think the command of Atlantis was beyond her area at this point in time, and should have waited till she'd had significant minor command experience, which would usually start off in her area of expertise.

mizzoueng
February 6th, 2008, 06:47 AM
Maybe it has something to do with the second movie coming up.

Maybe towards the end of the season she is leaked info that the IOA is experimenting with the Ark to use against the wraith and she gets called by Daniel and she has to make a decision to stay at Atlantis or leave her post to help stop the IOA from trying to modify the Ark.

If she steps down from her post this way, I think it would be a fitting end for her tenure.

I don't know how Woosley will run Atlantis. The IOA doesn't really have a track record of making good decisions, or even MAKING a decision when it comes to the Atlantis expedition.

Skydiver
February 6th, 2008, 07:05 AM
if sam was only assigned a TDY for a year, coming back wouldn't necessarily be a demotion. she was asked to do something that was maybe beyond her pay grade at the time, but she was the only person, and it was only suppose to be temporary, but 'temporary' lasted a year, and now she's going home.

or it might not even be a year. i mean, here we are in the second half of the season and it's been just a few months since she came there...she coudl go back to the SGC at the beginning of s5 and it's only been 7 months or something

Integrabyte
February 6th, 2008, 07:20 AM
I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on how Sam would end up leaving Atlantis keep in mind that she is going to still guest from time to time. I know the IOA will be involved but I think it will have to do with her going against something they didn't like any ideas?:)

Its going to be done in a very rude manner like they did with Weir. Hell, they should do it off scene :P

atfan
February 6th, 2008, 07:22 AM
1 - Carter's primary role in the Air Force was science based in her research into the Stargate. Like it or not, the majority of her career was spent as a scientist, not really a bonus.

2 - Carter being a pilot does NOT work. Not only do I doubt that she would have moved from pilot to research so easily, or with enough time to both at such a young age, but from what I've heard there's controversy surrounding the assertion that she got over 1000hours air time when she did based on actual female flying regulations in the USAF. Admittadly, this last bit I do not know for sure, but still.

3 - My issue with her commanding Atlantis is not the very fact that she did, but she lacked experience before she did. Early military commands will ALWAYS be in your branch. Being in charge of a signals platoon etc, later you move on to general commands, like being a station commander. Sam missed out this middle step, she MAY have had a command at Area 51, but that seemed to be short lived, and her command of Sg1 in S8 was a joke, and is in no way preperation for a command as big as Atlantis.

My overall point is that it took Jack 8 years to get a command, and even as a full bird Colonal he was running around in fields. Sam, now full bird, is being given a company arguably just as sophisticated as the SGC, I'd expect, any military leader to be at least 1 star in that position, based on the Gateverse's assertion of importance of the SGC and Atlantis. Although minor commands, such as a beta site etc, I'd expect from Lt Colonal onwards, based on the fact that my current station commander is a Wing Commander, which I belive is equivilient to a US Lt Colonal.

In essence, I think the command of Atlantis was beyond her area at this point in time, and should have waited till she'd had significant minor command experience, which would usually start off in her area of expertise.

I agree with part of what you are saying she didn't have larger command experience but she was 2nd in charge of SG-1 for Ten Years and Department Head at Area 51. Her combat experience as part of SG-1 is what they looked at also she was 30 when she started at the SGC. She had already been in eight years not including academy time. I can't believe she was still a captain.
With a doctorate level degree she would get advancement points automatically plus since most women don't have combat experience that would also be in her favor. I think Jack was offered command before that but had turned it down in favor of being in a field unit. I am not sure but I don't think Jack went to the academy. It makes a difference because Leadership courses and management are given as part of any degree plan as well as military course in strategy. At the SGC as part of SG-1 she served as Department Head for all the scientists.

anima
February 6th, 2008, 07:52 AM
I rememer in Ripple Effect on SG-1 in season 9 the alternate reality Sam Carter of on maternity leave perhaps this will be what happens now.

fallenexile452
February 6th, 2008, 07:54 AM
I think he character will just miss doing all the research and stuff especially after having to leave it to mckay and the others this past year and seeing them have so much fun. After all we are talking about the woman who at one point didn't leave the base when they had time off because she actually enjoyed her work. I think she'll either want to go back to area 51 or be stationed aboard the odyssey to continue studying and working with the asgard tech. That would allow her to come back whenever/if the odyssey then makes the Pegasus trip.

sueKay
February 6th, 2008, 08:01 AM
So nobody thinks the IOA have intervened to remove her cos she's military?

Am I the only one thinking she's being forced from the job?

The_Carpenter
February 6th, 2008, 08:05 AM
I rememer in Ripple Effect on SG-1 in season 9 the alternate reality Sam Carter of on maternity leave perhaps this will be what happens now.

Eeek... Do I hear :sam: and :jack: shippers on the horizon?

or maybe its :sam: and :mckay: shippers ;)

Don't see it happening, we don't need a sprog running around for subsequent SG-1 movies ;)

Raven56
February 6th, 2008, 08:08 AM
Sheppard changes the past in the last episode of Season 4. Upon his return he finds Woolsey is in command and Carter is around doing science things.

Also affected by the changed timeline: the painting from Outcast has been altered slightly, FRAN is somehow still around, Atlantis has 3 ZPMs, we salvaged the Ancient ship from The Return, Teyla's pregnant from Sheppard, McKay is married, and all plot holes have mysteriously disappeared from the universe.

:lol: :lol:


.....but, it's been a year...and they have no one. largely because, woolsey, the ONLY member of the committee that has actually left earth, negates candidate after candidate cause he can't see them working.

finally, annoyed as heck, the IOA says 'fine, tell ya what, you do it' and he's assigned there...quite against his will.

it allows sam to save face and not be demoted - AGAIN - and puts woolsey there in a more sympathetic attitude rather than 'me boss, you underling'.

i want her last line to him to be 'don't get everyone killed' before she goes home, to let him deal with things as he can

I REALLY like this idea! :D

Killdeer
February 6th, 2008, 08:12 AM
So nobody thinks the IOA have intervened to remove her cos she's military?

Am I the only one thinking she's being forced from the job?

No, you're not. I think there's a good chance something will happen in Search & Rescue that will result in her leaving.

Of course, she could always be called home for a family emergency of some sort, something to do with Cassie maybe? And then decide that she couldn't return.

Amalthea
February 6th, 2008, 08:20 AM
I think it's going to have to do with her "unfinished work" that she noted in her first Atlantis episode as commander. I'm hoping (in vain, perhaps) that they'll make her departure somehow tie into a third movie. That somehow, something she was working on before she left for Atlantis is now really needed in an SG1 arc so she has to go back to finish it which will subsequently result in a lovely movie. :) I would also settle for it somehow turning into another spinoff where she makes a cameo at the outset of the series, engaging whatever machine she built.

I think trying to force her from the job would be a little much. They were always doing that to Weir, so I think the idea is a little stale.

Also, as a reminder Ark of Truth and Continuum happen before season 4 of Atlantis, so if it has to do with any movies, it will have to be with one we know nothing about.

doylefan22
February 6th, 2008, 08:31 AM
I certainly think there's a possibility of her being shoved out by the IOA but at the mo I tend to think it will be her decision. I assume something that happens in S&R will be the trigger, perhaps reminding her of the fact that she doesn't like the command role very much and would prefer to get back to where she most enjoys, is most suited and feels she can be most useful - research and science.

kymeric
February 6th, 2008, 08:53 AM
Agh! WHY WHY WHY a ship?

"Hey this person is an Air Force officer, this means they can do ANY job, regardless of whether it was what they were trained for or if they're experience lends to it!"

Carter commanding Atlantis was a stretch. A REAL stretch. As a military officer, she would usually only command groups based on her role, which is SCIENCE> But, Station Commanders have to come from somewhere, so it is sort of permissable that she became the Atlantis "station commander". But commanding a ship is different, and not only would that be a step down, but I think would be a horrific move based on expertise.

She headed area51 for many months... Seems shes got the cred.

prion
February 6th, 2008, 08:59 AM
Wel,l however they remove Carter from command can't be something too drastic, like getting pregnant, which wouldn't happen as she and Jack haven't even gotten past "sir, with all due respect" and that would muck up movies.

I think that the IOA is just gonna say "we want one of OUR people in command." Since for some unfathomable reason they've got clout, Sam will simply be reassigned. That would make a lot more sense than Sam going "I'm going back to SG1 as they need my help," as it would then mean she didn't think much of her command. Her command was a promotion, something she couldn't really turn down if she wants to go up the career ladder.

But whatever takes her away, is obviously going to let her return in guest star capacity, so we can rule out abduction by aliens, if nothing else, that, or she signed up for "Survivor" ;)

Zafuel
February 6th, 2008, 08:59 AM
Sheppard changes the past in the last episode of Season 4. Upon his return he finds Woolsey is in command and Carter is around doing science things.

Also affected by the changed timeline: the painting from Outcast has been altered slightly, FRAN is somehow still around, Atlantis has 3 ZPMs, we salvaged the Ancient ship from The Return, Teyla's pregnant from Sheppard, McKay is married, and all plot holes have mysteriously disappeared from the universe.

And Carter returns but is now called Claudia Brown.

Lythisrose
February 6th, 2008, 09:01 AM
I don't see TBTB doing anything to disrespect her character, as they have always held her in high regard. So I think they will try to find a way to have her leave gracefully, with reputation, rank and integrity intact. :)

Mitchell82
February 6th, 2008, 09:04 AM
Here's what I think will happen, based on the spoiler of her conversation with Rodney in 'Search and Rescue'

I think that the IOA will not have been happy with a Military Commander, and will have found a way to forceably remove her from Atlantis. Hence why out of the blue, she's packed her bags and deflects Rodney's enquiry about the bags.

I think they'll push Carter out of the job, and that they'll put Woolsey in her place...Initially he'll be completely IOA, causing problems and butting heads, but I think like Caldwell did, he'll realise that Atlantis is Atlantis, and things have to be done differently...I think by the end of the season, he'll probably be more loyal to Atlantis than the IOA, but there'll still be bad blood for pushing Carter out of her job so swiftly.
Hmm I like that. It will cause alot of problems between all the members of the expedition.

Scyld
February 6th, 2008, 09:43 AM
I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on how Sam would end up leaving Atlantis keep in mind that she is going to still guest from time to time. I know the IOA will be involved but I think it will have to do with her going against something they didn't like any ideas?:)

Sam is an Air Force officer. Could be as simple as her superiors deciding to give her another assignment. It happens, and it doesn't mean she didn't do a good job. Being in the military means moving a lot.

Scyld
February 6th, 2008, 09:47 AM
Agh! WHY WHY WHY a ship?

"Hey this person is an Air Force officer, this means they can do ANY job, regardless of whether it was what they were trained for or if they're experience lends to it!"

The amusing thing is that this is not far from the truth as regards the mentality of the Air Force. Especially since Sam has training as a pilot. You tend not to advance in the ranks very much if you aren't a pilot.

Mitchell82
February 6th, 2008, 09:48 AM
Sam is an Air Force officer. Could be as simple as her superiors deciding to give her another assignment. It happens, and it doesn't mean she didn't do a good job. Being in the military means moving a lot.

Very good point.

Flyboy
February 6th, 2008, 11:10 AM
The amusing thing is that this is not far from the truth as regards the mentality of the Air Force. Especially since Sam has training as a pilot. You tend not to advance in the ranks very much if you aren't a pilot.
From my experience it's two fold.

Either you stay highranking junior officer/low ranking senior officer (Flt Lt, Sqn Ldr) for the rest of your life, or you get booted up to the Air Ranks: Air Commodore, Air Vice Marshal, Air Marshal, Air Chief Marshal etc(that's Colonal onwards) VERY VERY quickly.

kymeric
February 6th, 2008, 11:23 AM
Poochie: "I have to go now, my planet needs me!" /flys up into air

Ltcolshepjumper
February 6th, 2008, 11:46 AM
Sam is an Air Force officer. Could be as simple as her superiors deciding to give her another assignment. It happens, and it doesn't mean she didn't do a good job. Being in the military means moving a lot.

Exactly. IMO, it was implausible for her to have a continued longterm stay in the Pegasus galaxy, especially since her knowledge and expertise have really been underused. After all, She is needed in the Milky Way, in case any longterm threats arise.

Jumper_One
February 6th, 2008, 12:04 PM
Sam is an Air Force officer. Could be as simple as her superiors deciding to give her another assignment. It happens, and it doesn't mean she didn't do a good job. Being in the military means moving a lot.

exactly, moving on is a fact of military life ;)

WereWraith06
February 6th, 2008, 12:25 PM
I'm thinking, and this is pure speculation, that it might have something to do with...
....the way she handles the rescue mission in 'Search and Rescue'.

I don't think TPTB would do something like that, it could ruin an 11 year reputation.

I think the main reason Sam was posted to Atlantis was because of the Replicator threat. Now we're back to just having to deal with the Wraith, prehaps the IOA think that one of their own can handle the situation.

Uber
February 6th, 2008, 03:06 PM
I posted this idea over in the thread about how Woolsey would be integrated...so forgive the crossover elements:

Here's my personal theory.

I think something will happen in Search & Rescue where Carter is ordered to do something or not do something...but she knows that if she follows that directive, it would put her people in danger (either members of her team or random people in the Pegasus Galaxy or both)...maybe even put lives at risk. She has a LONG history of bucking bureaucracy when lives are on the line and doesn't care a whit about the politics involved...only that it's her responsibility to take care of people under her care. So she of course gives the IOA the virtual finger and does what she knows is right...thus protecting innocents/saving lives.

However, it's something the IOA can't allow to pass and still save face. So while she's being thanked for saving people, she's given the boot...by Richard Woolsey, who's representing the interests of the IOA. He respects her decision but has no choice than to do what he's told. What's worse, he learns he'll be taking her place...which makes him persona non grata on Atlantis for taking the job of a popular leader...especially after the trouble he gave Liz.

So he comes in unwillingly and is put in the unenviable position of taking charge of people who resent him. A lot.

As for Sam...well, she knows the score. She knows that doing the right thing can cost you and since that's never bothered her before, it certainly wouldn't now.

prion
February 6th, 2008, 05:11 PM
The trouble with pushing Carter out of the job for doing something wrong is that they have to be careful that it doesn't impact her character on SG1, plus if they plan to have her guest star, she still have to be, well, unsullied job-wise, in order to return back to Atlantis.

And I cant see the writers ruining her basic perfect streak...

Uber
February 6th, 2008, 05:26 PM
The trouble with pushing Carter out of the job for doing something wrong is that they have to be careful that it doesn't impact her character on SG1, plus if they plan to have her guest star, she still have to be, well, unsullied job-wise, in order to return back to Atlantis.

And I cant see the writers ruining her basic perfect streak...Actually this would keep it intact quite nicely...well not the "perfect" thing, which is an extreme generalization unsupported by facts. She's bucked the rules before for the right reasons. She out and out disobeyed them back in Serpents Lair/Serpents Grasp, danced around them in Ascension, openly defied her base commander in Fifth Man...etc. And has quite a history with not being impressed with bureaucrats or anything that puts the lives of her colleagues or innocents at risk.

So it would be supremely in character for her to do the right thing to protect those in her charge, even if that meant upsetting the delicate sensibilities of the IOA...and I doubt very strongly that her career or future in the Air Force would be sullied by an act of bravery that saved people's lives...even if it put off the bureaucrats. Heck, that'd probably be a bonus as far as Jack's concerned.

binkpmmc
February 6th, 2008, 06:19 PM
I don't see TBTB doing anything to disrespect her character, as they have always held her in high regard. So I think they will try to find a way to have her leave gracefully, with reputation, rank and integrity intact. :)

I hope you are right - they did, IMO, disrespect the character horribly in seasons 9-10 of SG-1. For me they basically ruined the character and I see command of Atlantis as them trying desperatley to make-up for the bone-headed move with mitchell by basically demoting Carter so I cannot say I have the same opinion of the people that run this show (and I mean all of them even though cooper was the culprit as showrunner in S9 others could have taken a stand to stop the dopey move with mitchell).

atfan
February 7th, 2008, 05:03 AM
I hope you are right - they did, IMO, disrespect the character horribly in seasons 9-10 of SG-1. For me they basically ruined the character and I see command of Atlantis as them trying desperatley to make-up for the bone-headed move with mitchell by basically demoting Carter so I cannot say I have the same opinion of the people that run this show (and I mean all of them even though cooper was the culprit as showrunner in S9 others could have taken a stand to stop the dopey move with mitchell).

I agree the whole two commander thing was ridiculous. They should have had Sam go TDY to Area 51 which is like a temporary reassignment then she should have regained her SG-1 spot don't get me started on Mitchell although he wasn't as annoying in season ten. It did provide conflict but they didn't keep much of the military thing in tact Sam never called Mitchell Sir or even Colonel just Cam usually it was very wierd.

immhotep
February 7th, 2008, 08:46 AM
I think shes going to be given command of the pheonix, Earth's new BC...the captain will get killed and she will takeover and then just stay, saying she prefers to be on a ship where she can maintain a degree of fieldwork, the IOA then plants woolsey to head atlantis.

prion
February 7th, 2008, 08:54 AM
Actually this would keep it intact quite nicely...well not the "perfect" thing, which is an extreme generalization unsupported by facts. She's bucked the rules before for the right reasons. She out and out disobeyed them back in Serpents Lair/Serpents Grasp, danced around them in Ascension, openly defied her base commander in Fifth Man...etc. And has quite a history with not being impressed with bureaucrats or anything that puts the lives of her colleagues or innocents at risk.

So it would be supremely in character for her to do the right thing to protect those in her charge, even if that meant upsetting the delicate sensibilities of the IOA...and I doubt very strongly that her career or future in the Air Force would be sullied by an act of bravery that saved people's lives...even if it put off the bureaucrats. Heck, that'd probably be a bonus as far as Jack's concerned.

Let's put it another way. She's not had black marks on her record, or demotions, etc. for any of her actions... However, potentially not obeying the IOA may not necessarily impact her USAF career.



I think shes going to be given command of the pheonix, Earth's new BC...the captain will get killed and she will takeover and then just stay, saying she prefers to be on a ship where she can maintain a degree of fieldwork, the IOA then plants woolsey to head atlantis.

Yeah, that's doable. The writers LOVE to kill the captains of spaceships (alas, poor Pendergaast....)

immhotep
February 7th, 2008, 09:02 AM
Besides what has been said by FOB she does have the qualifications for a ship command. She is of the right rank, Col. As we have seen on numberous occasions carter has the ability to command a ship, she was in charge when emerson was killed by the LA, she was in charge (essentially) for unending and for AOT even though landry and mitchel took the chair. She is well versed in all our ships systems and built many of them, she has enough flight experience and command experience with all the latest gadgets to be able to handle that post, IMO she would make a better captain than leader of the AE...

atfan
February 7th, 2008, 09:35 AM
I think shes going to be given command of the pheonix, Earth's new BC...the captain will get killed and she will takeover and then just stay, saying she prefers to be on a ship where she can maintain a degree of fieldwork, the IOA then plants woolsey to head atlantis.

Wouldn't that be a demotion head of Atlantis to a ship captain? Not sure of the Airforce eqivalent I am a Navy veteran.;)

immhotep
February 7th, 2008, 09:40 AM
No captain of a ship, not captain the rank, the DC 304's are commanded by USAF Col's.

atfan
February 7th, 2008, 09:59 AM
No captain of a ship, not captain the rank, the DC 304's are commanded by USAF Col's.
Yeah I know that I just meant in the Navy a Captain (also called a ship's captain ) can be either a 0-5 LT Col -Airforce or 0-6 - Captain- Navy Colonel- Airforce. But a base commander or expedition commander is higher than commanding a ship-- hope that wasn't too confusing

I guess they could get around that by saying the TDY thing which would be okay and a good fix for the problem.--If she was never actually appointed as the Commander and was instead the interm commander of Atlantis. Just speculating here but it would work I think. :cool:

Mitchell82
February 7th, 2008, 10:02 AM
Wouldn't that be a demotion head of Atlantis to a ship captain? Not sure of the Airforce eqivalent I am a Navy veteran.;)

No a ship captain is usually the equivalent of a full bird Col.

Flyboy
February 7th, 2008, 10:58 AM
Besides what has been said by FOB she does have the qualifications for a ship command. She is of the right rank, Col. As we have seen on numberous occasions carter has the ability to command a ship, she was in charge when emerson was killed by the LA, she was in charge (essentially) for unending and for AOT even though landry and mitchel took the chair. She is well versed in all our ships systems and built many of them, she has enough flight experience and command experience with all the latest gadgets to be able to handle that post, IMO she would make a better captain than leader of the AE...
Personally I just don't think a ship command is right for her. I wouldn't think it was right for O'Neill either, it's just... not.

I mean, the Navy should be doing it anyway, but hey...

Flyboy
February 7th, 2008, 11:01 AM
No a ship captain is usually the equivalent of a full bird Col.
I disagree. A ships captain doesn't have to be a Captain. At least in the RN, ships can be captained by a Commander, which I believe is equivilent to a US Lt Colonal.

jelgate
February 7th, 2008, 11:03 AM
I disagree. A ships captain doesn't have to be a Captain. At least in the RN, ships can be captained by a Commander, which I believe is equivilent to a US Lt Colonal.

He is talking about the navy rank of captain. I do believe that some of the smaller ships are run by commandars

Flyboy
February 7th, 2008, 11:09 AM
He is talking about the navy rank of captain. I do believe that some of the smaller ships are run by commandars
I think that's waht I was saying, hell I may have just confused myself. But there's a difference between "Captain" and "The captain", as the latter can be any rank, but from my experience is often a Commander.

atfan
February 7th, 2008, 12:16 PM
Regardless of the rank thing to go from commanding a expedition or base to just a ship is a demotion in my opinion less people less clout. Not that commanding a ship was not important just not on the same scale as Atlantis Commander. :sam:

Mitchell82
February 7th, 2008, 02:16 PM
I disagree. A ships captain doesn't have to be a Captain. At least in the RN, ships can be captained by a Commander, which I believe is equivilent to a US Lt Colonal.

I didn't say a ship captain has to be a captain. Reread my post.

Mitchell82
February 7th, 2008, 02:17 PM
I think that's waht I was saying, hell I may have just confused myself. But there's a difference between "Captain" and "The captain", as the latter can be any rank, but from my experience is often a Commander.

Sorry I was unclear. Most generally the captain of a ship is Commander which is the same as a Col.

Flyboy
February 7th, 2008, 02:20 PM
Sorry I was unclear. Most generally the captain of a ship is Commander which is the same as a Col.
No, it's the same as Lt Colonal. Colonal is the same as the Naval RANK Captain.

EH-T
February 7th, 2008, 03:22 PM
I posted this idea over in the thread about how Woolsey would be integrated...so forgive the crossover elements:

Here's my personal theory.

I think something will happen in Search & Rescue where Carter is ordered to do something or not do something...but she knows that if she follows that directive, it would put her people in danger (either members of her team or random people in the Pegasus Galaxy or both)...maybe even put lives at risk. She has a LONG history of bucking bureaucracy when lives are on the line and doesn't care a whit about the politics involved...only that it's her responsibility to take care of people under her care. So she of course gives the IOA the virtual finger and does what she knows is right...thus protecting innocents/saving lives.

However, it's something the IOA can't allow to pass and still save face. So while she's being thanked for saving people, she's given the boot...by Richard Woolsey, who's representing the interests of the IOA. He respects her decision but has no choice than to do what he's told. What's worse, he learns he'll be taking her place...which makes him persona non grata on Atlantis for taking the job of a popular leader...especially after the trouble he gave Liz.

So he comes in unwillingly and is put in the unenviable position of taking charge of people who resent him. A lot.

As for Sam...well, she knows the score. She knows that doing the right thing can cost you and since that's never bothered her before, it certainly wouldn't now.

I like this idea.

I'm not a fan of Sam ending up as the commander of a ship. There is really very little that these characters do. Besides, I don't want her to be sitting on a ship while the rest of SG1 is off on an adventure in future movies.

nx01a
February 7th, 2008, 03:40 PM
They discover a rather complicated process to make either drones or ZPMs or both and she has to go back to Area 51 to work on that, 'cause that's more important than running Atlantis.

Perhaps she gets put in charge of the Midway station? We really must see more of that place. Perhaps in 'Midway'. :D

Having her called to account for a potentially questionable decision while in command is also a good idea. She's innocent, obviously, but the political intrigue should be worth it, especially as setup for the new commander.

Jumper_One
February 7th, 2008, 03:43 PM
No, it's the same as Lt Colonal. Colonal is the same as the Naval RANK Captain.

true

Army: Colonel
Marine Corps: Colonel
Navy: Captain
Air Force: Colonel
Coast Guard: Captain
PHSCC: Captain
NOAA Corps: Captain

atfan
February 7th, 2008, 08:13 PM
Well I asked JM if he could give any hints so I'll wait and see. Personally I want something that will let Sam be Sam science and all plus snark yeah lots of snark anyone else love it when she punched Baal? How about when she defended Rodney -- go Sam :sam:

majorsal
February 7th, 2008, 09:38 PM
I rememer in Ripple Effect on SG-1 in season 9 the alternate reality Sam Carter of on maternity leave perhaps this will be what happens now.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9639/sjbaby2nz2.gif

but other than that treat (for me) :D, i'd like her to take command of a ship.




sally :sam:

SP90
February 8th, 2008, 06:22 AM
Regardless of rank, anyone in command of a ship is by tradition refer to as "captain". Still going from base/expedition commander to commanding a ship is sorta like a demotion. Unless you consider Atlantis a ship also (which technically it is) but then your still going from a much bigger ship to a smaller one.

The most character friendly explaination is she was on temporary assignment until the IOA could figure out who to name as the next permanent expedition leader. I like to hear Sam say on the way out "Computer, activate Emergency Command Hologram." and then have Woolsey appear. :)

The_Carpenter
February 8th, 2008, 06:56 AM
Regardless of rank, anyone in command of a ship is by tradition refer to as "captain". Still going from base/expedition commander to commanding a ship is sorta like a demotion. Unless you consider Atlantis a ship also (which technically it is) but then your still going from a much bigger ship to a smaller one.

The most character friendly explaination is she was on temporary assignment until the IOA could figure out who to name as the next permanent expedition leader. I like to hear Sam say on the way out "Computer, activate Emergency Command Hologram." and then have Woolsey appear. :)

LMAO maybe woolsey is never actually in Atlantis but commands it by a hologram being projected from Earth by some means :cool:

Yeah not going to happen but would be funny... for 10 minutes

Mitchell82
February 8th, 2008, 10:13 AM
true

Army: Colonel
Marine Corps: Colonel
Navy: Captain
Air Force: Colonel
Coast Guard: Captain
PHSCC: Captain
NOAA Corps: Captain

Ooops my bad I knew that.:S:o

Jumper_One
February 8th, 2008, 03:09 PM
Ooops my bad I knew that.:S:o

check it out (http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/USCommissionedOfficerRanks.jpg) ;)

markaudette
February 8th, 2008, 07:08 PM
I am not a die-hard shipper but I think it's high time the producers FINALLY just let Carter and O'Neill both get married and ride off into the eternal sunset of marital bliss.

Amanda Tapping has basically left the Stargate Franchise (that is, if Sanctuary is a success.) RDA has long since left the series in lieu of a few direct-to-DVD movie appearances.

So it's high freakin' time to let Sam and Jack to get married. And pass the torch off to a new generation of Stargate.

ZiMarquise
February 8th, 2008, 07:46 PM
I am not a die-hard shipper but I think it's high time the producers FINALLY just let Carter and O'Neill both get married and ride off into the eternal sunset of marital bliss.

Amanda Tapping has basically left the Stargate Franchise (that is, if Sanctuary is a success.) RDA has long since left the series in lieu of a few direct-to-DVD movie appearances.

So it's high freakin' time to let Sam and Jack to get married. And pass the torch off to a new generation of Stargate.
KUDOS!

:love:

I'm a die hard Jack/Sam shipper, and I agree! I think it is time to let Sam be a woman. Let her go to O'Neill. I know the PTB want to. After 11 years, it is time for new SG team members, so let them get married and let them make a stop by the ATL every once in a while!

markaudette
February 8th, 2008, 10:34 PM
Thank you ZiMarquise.

I will have to agree with you. I would very much like to see Sam's last moments in the whole franchise being spent as a woman. With her hair down. No Stargates. No Generals and Captains. No ZPMs. No Ori. No Prometheus. No Naquedah generators. Just being a woman.

thekillman
February 9th, 2008, 12:47 AM
it would be perfect. she says shes needed at area 51. then, a week later, everyone gets a card, wich says shes ,marrying. then they marry on a planet with a beautifull sunset, and eveyone is happy

magneticresonance
February 9th, 2008, 03:04 AM
I can't imagine tptb doing anything dire to Carter - at least nothing permanently dire. I think ultimately they'd want her go out on a high note. I'm a sucker for a happy ending; I'm hoping she'll get some kind of important science post on Earth, get promoted and get a desk job or something - and finally marry Jack. Maybe they'll even invent some new and cool government position just for her.

That said given the identity of her replacement, it also seems possible that she'll be pulled out of Atlantis because she makes some hard military decision that is essentially the right thing to do, but leaves a lot of people dead/results in a major new threat emerging, etc. Something where everyone on Atlantis knows she didn't have a choice and made the only possible decision in the circumstances, but which would give the IOA an excuse to pull her and replace her with somebody they think is less 'reckless' and easier to control - an administrator. If they do that, I figure they'll ultimately vindicate her in a little mini-arc where they admit they were wrong and Woolsey gets in way over his head, and she turns up as a special guest for a couple of eps to fix everything. Then she can go off to become chief scientist of Earth/marry Jack and have a little SG team of her own. :)

Ripple in Space
February 9th, 2008, 04:14 AM
FIRED for "fraternization"

timtonruben359
February 9th, 2008, 09:17 AM
From what JM has been hinting at, it would appear that the IOA no longer wishes to have the military in charge of Atlantis. Most likely Carter will be reassigned to the SCG or to Area 51.

Mitchell82
February 9th, 2008, 12:55 PM
check it out (http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee163/Jumper_One/USCommissionedOfficerRanks.jpg) ;)

Yes yes I know. I just hope my old CO didn't see that boo-boo post.

Jumper_One
February 9th, 2008, 03:27 PM
FIRED for "fraternization"

how so?


Sam exits due to medical reasons.



No, she's not pregnant.

It's due to back problems from injuries sustained in Trio. ;)

:lol:


Yes yes I know. I just hope my old CO didn't see that boo-boo post.

I'm sure you have nothing to worry about :P

atfan
February 9th, 2008, 07:26 PM
FIRED for "fraternization"

WTF? If you are referring to Sam and Jack they waited so long I can't believe they broke the regs before Jack took up as HWS and before Sam's transfer to area 51 they so got married and since they were not in the chain of command at the time no regs broken

Plus how could she still guest-star if she was fired from the Air-Force?:(

Jumper_One
February 9th, 2008, 07:31 PM
WTF? If you are referring to Sam and Jack they waited so long I can't believe they broke the regs before Jack took up as HWS and before Sam's transfer to area 51 they so got married and since they were not in the chain of command at the time no regs broken

Plus how could she still guest-star if she was fired from the Air-Force?:(

yes well said, she didn't break the regs :)

atfan
February 9th, 2008, 07:37 PM
yes well said, she didn't break the regs :)
Yes I am glad you agee. To believe otherwise does a disservice to the character she has played for ten years and I doubt the PTB would do that.:)

atfan
February 9th, 2008, 07:43 PM
Yes yes I know. I just hope my old CO didn't see that boo-boo post.

I know what you mean it would be embarassing ranks are one of the first things you learn never call an enlisted person sir or ma'am and never call anyone by the wrong rank serious bad karma. ;)

Jumper_One
February 9th, 2008, 07:48 PM
Yes I am glad you agee. To believe otherwise does a disservice to the character she has played for ten years and I doubt the PTB would do that.:)

yeah I really don't worry about these kind of things. I'm sure TBTB have found a way to explain Sam's departure and at the same time make it possible for her to return in future eps. as for the regs, screw them. LOL seriously though we've been getting a lot of hints during s9 and 10 of SG-1, add to that the pic of Jack in Sam's suitcase. I still don't get why people might think those two aren't together, I mean it's so obvious. anyway she definitely isn't breaking any rules


I know what you mean it would be embarassing ranks are one of the first things you learn never call an enlisted person sir or ma'am and never call anyone by the wrong rank serious bad karma. ;)

err...ok I had no idea :P

Frostfox
February 10th, 2008, 01:55 AM
WTF? If you are referring to Sam and Jack they waited so long I can't believe they broke the regs before Jack took up as HWS and before Sam's transfer to area 51 they so got married and since they were not in the chain of command at the time no regs broken

Plus how could she still guest-star if she was fired from the Air-Force?:(

You do know that the wedding in episode 200 was a joke, like the rest of the episode?
They're not really married.

FF :nox:

heliosphere
February 10th, 2008, 07:19 AM
I donno, I enjoy the idea of Sam/Jack, but they can't be together yet. He's still in charge of her! She's still reporting to him, and therefore, she's in his chain of command. AT even had to have them strike out a line in her first Atlantis episode this season about Jack and Landry recommending Sam because it looked bad to her in regards to fraternization. It's in one of the early interviews. And I don't think the little hints have been made to point out they had some sort of secret wedding. Some posts make it sound like they've been carrying out this romance and marriage right behind even their good friends' backs- it's just too tacky for me.


I don't want her to be leaving for reasons like that anyhow, like a baby or to run off with Jack to some cabin. It's too 'little woman' for her character. I think I'd prefer if she misses science, and coupled with the IOA trying to push for control, she decides to make some sort of lateral move to emphesize the science portion of her career.

silly sally
February 10th, 2008, 07:23 AM
I donno, I enjoy the idea of Sam/Jack, but they can't be together yet. He's still in charge of her! She's still reporting to him, and therefore, she's in his chain of command. AT even had to have them strike out a line in her first Atlantis episode this season about Jack and Landry recommending Sam because it looked bad to her in regards to fraternization. It's in one of the early interviews. And I don't think the little hints have been made to point out they had some sort of secret wedding. Some posts make it sound like they've been carrying out this romance and marriage right behind even their good friends' backs- it's just too tacky for me.


I don't want her to be leaving for reasons like that anyhow, like a baby or to run off with Jack to some cabin. It's too 'little woman' for her character. I think I'd prefer if she misses science, and coupled with the IOA trying to push for control, she decides to make some sort of lateral move to emphesize the science portion of her career.

Why would it look bad for Jack to recommend Sam for Atlantis? He was her CO for 8 years so he's well aware of her capabilities. It would look bad only if they were involved somehow, otherwise it would be perfectly reasonable for Jack to recommend her.

ReganX
February 10th, 2008, 07:40 AM
Im not sure, she will probably return to the SGC...

I hope I get to see the ep I want, I want Sam to be under some kind of curse and go all crazy about rodney, that would be hilarious. I still miss her technobabble, even though she is the new commander I still miss it...

Unless she's going back to command it, I don't think that would be doable. Sam can't go from running a city, in command of hundreds of people, to, at best, leading a four person team.

Command of a ship is a possibility, or maybe she could end up at Homeworld Security, responsible for overseeing the scientific sides of the bodies under its command, including the SGC and Atlantis - which could mean scope for her to return to visit.

heliosphere
February 10th, 2008, 07:41 AM
Why would it look bad for Jack to recommend Sam for Atlantis? He was her CO for 8 years so he's well aware of her capabilities. It would look bad only if they were involved somehow, otherwise it would be perfectly reasonable for Jack to recommend her.

I think that's what AT might have been worried about. Because they'd alluded to some kind of connection between Jack and Sam throughout the series, having Jack be the one to recommend her would make it sound to outsiders like, to be crass, "the chick I'm rumored to be sleeping with would make a great leader there," or something to that effect. And AT was worried that the character wouldn't be thought of as gaining the command all based on her own abilities. I don't know if it's in a GW interview or one of the many magazine interviews that came out earlier this year.

(I mean, we as fans who know Sam know she's done amazing things and know her accomplishments are her own and her promotions/responsibilities are deserved, but to a military outsider, it could look like she got there based on sleeping her way up. It's sad and sexist, but it's a huge issue for woman in reality for both military and private industry.)


But hopefully they'll skirt that issue all together and find something more appropriate. THough Idon't want to see her promoted to general yet either. Not after watching Jack linger as a full bird for sooooo long.

silly sally
February 10th, 2008, 07:48 AM
I think that's what AT might have been worried about. Because they'd alluded to some kind of connection between Jack and Sam throughout the series, having Jack be the one to recommend her would make it sound to outsiders like, to be crass, "the chick I'm rumored to be sleeping with would make a great leader there," or something to that effect. And AT was worried that the character wouldn't be thought of as gaining the command all based on her own abilities. I don't know if it's in a GW interview or one of the many magazine interviews that came out earlier this year.

(I mean, we as fans who know Sam know she's done amazing things and know her accomplishments are her own and her promotions/responsibilities are deserved, but to a military outsider, it could look like she got there based on sleeping her way up. It's sad and sexist, but it's a huge issue for woman in reality for both military and private industry.)


But hopefully they'll skirt that issue all together and find something more appropriate. THough Idon't want to see her promoted to general yet either. Not after watching Jack linger as a full bird for sooooo long.

So you think Sam and Jack are an item? There's nothing to remotely suggest that after Jack left. Do you think there might be something in the movies?

cocytus
February 10th, 2008, 08:41 AM
They'll probably handle it as poorly as they have the other departures from the show.
It's depressing that reducing strong characters to "recurring" is seen as "enhancing" the show rather than as a sign of indecision.
Amanda Tapping is good actress and keeping onthe program would have helped the series stay on course.
Now...it's just..."Adrift."

heliosphere
February 10th, 2008, 09:48 AM
So you think Sam and Jack are an item? There's nothing to remotely suggest that after Jack left. Do you think there might be something in the movies?

In my own opinion? No. I think they are still pulling the will they won't they thing with Sam and Jack. I don't subscribe to the theory that they were secretly married after season 8 because I still think she's in his chain of command and they are both too good of officers to screw around with regs like that. Honestly, I think it's best left open to interpretation and to fanfic so people that see potental for other pairings to be satisfied as well (lots of Sam/Cam shippers and Sam/Teal'c and Sam/Rodney shippers out there too, though Sam/Jack is probably the canon sort of pairing).

Though I like the pairing, I think the writers dug themselves in a hole with their approach because of the regulations and reflections on Sam. And some of my feminism comes through on this, but I don't think I'd be satisfied with any insinuation on the show that she leaves Atlantis to become a mom at home or gives it all up for Jack or something like that.

The more I read the theories here and on sci-fi type blogs, the more I like the idea that the IOA feels as though it needs more control out there.

Scyld
February 10th, 2008, 09:50 AM
I disagree. A ships captain doesn't have to be a Captain.

The SGC has already made the Navy more or less irrelevant. IRL, both the Air Force and the Navy are well aware of the fact that whichever one of them gets Space will make the other obsolete. In Stargate, the Air Force has done this. They also favor Air Force terminology aboard the ships (military thrust rather than flank speed, for example).

I'm sure they'll have their own standards for what rank gets command of starships.

markaudette
February 10th, 2008, 11:24 AM
Would it be any great sin to just let Sam take a job in the private sector in order to start building a family with Jack?

Jumper_One
February 10th, 2008, 11:26 AM
Would it be any great sin to just let Sam take a job in the private sector in order to start building a family with Jack?

if that's her reason for leaving Atlantis then yes imo it is

markaudette
February 10th, 2008, 11:32 AM
Wunderbar!

:)

Jumper_One
February 10th, 2008, 11:36 AM
Wunderbar!

:)

you do realize I disagreed right?

markaudette
February 10th, 2008, 11:41 AM
Yes, I do realize you just disagreed with me.

That was my most grave attempt at sarcasm.

The producers just don't do enough of these 'day-in-the-life-of' episodes. Which I feel is sorely needed right now in the life of the whole franchise.

PG15
February 10th, 2008, 11:55 AM
They'll probably handle it as poorly as they have the other departures from the show.
It's depressing that reducing strong characters to "recurring" is seen as "enhancing" the show rather than as a sign of indecision.
Amanda Tapping is good actress and keeping onthe program would have helped the series stay on course.
Now...it's just..."Adrift."

You do know that she left on her own volition, don't you? To pursue Sanctuary? It's not like TPTB forced her out.

Jumper_One
February 10th, 2008, 11:57 AM
You do know that she left on her own volition, don't you? To pursue Sanctuary? It's not like TPTB forced her out.

:indeed: here's the link to the GW interview http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/02/more_from_tapping_on_iatlantisi_.shtml

Mitchell82
February 10th, 2008, 02:03 PM
I know what you mean it would be embarassing ranks are one of the first things you learn never call an enlisted person sir or ma'am and never call anyone by the wrong rank serious bad karma. ;)
Thankfully I was never enlisted. I started as a 2Lt. But yeah I know.

Ripple in Space
February 10th, 2008, 09:17 PM
WTF? If you are referring to Sam and Jack they waited so long I can't believe they broke the regs before Jack took up as HWS and before Sam's transfer to area 51 they so got married and since they were not in the chain of command at the time no regs broken

Plus how could she still guest-star if she was fired from the Air-Force?:(

It was a joke.

atfan
February 10th, 2008, 09:26 PM
okay well sorry for not taking it that way the sarcasm was lost on me.
kinda like Rodney Trio-"you should just flash em your "gestures with his hands-0MG so not funny IMHO I have been accused of taking things way too seriously :S

atfan
February 10th, 2008, 09:34 PM
From what JM has been hinting at, it would appear that the IOA no longer wishes to have the military in charge of Atlantis. Most likely Carter will be reassigned to the SCG or to Area 51.

I agree the spoiler poem said, "A power play is made" --JM blog
I take that to mean the IOA decides that they no longer want or need a military commander I can see it being due to recent events maybe in search and rescue Carter wouldn't leave anyone behind so that combined with events in the Seer could lead the IOA to decide they want full control of Atlantis. I just hope they don't make Carter look bad but the recent Trio Zelenka bash and the whole breast weight thing with Rodney makes it unlikely they would care did enough damage.

atfan
February 10th, 2008, 09:36 PM
if that's her reason for leaving Atlantis then yes imo it is
I agree besides how would she guest-star if she weren't somehow connected to the SGC? ;)

Skydiver
February 11th, 2008, 04:51 AM
okay well sorry for not taking it that way the sarcasm was lost on me.
kinda like Rodney Trio-"you should just flash em your "gestures with his hands-0MG so not funny IMHO I have been accused of taking things way too seriously :S
i think that was a mardi gras joke gone bad

in new orleans, alledgedly one way to get beads tossed at you is to flash your boobs.

so i think rod's 'joke' kinda fell flat because not many people knew the joke

Integrabyte
February 11th, 2008, 05:17 AM
i think that was a mardi gras joke gone bad

in new orleans, alledgedly one way to get beads tossed at you is to flash your boobs.

so i think rod's 'joke' kinda fell flat because not many people knew the joke

Miscalculation on their part :P

atfan
February 11th, 2008, 06:23 AM
Miscalculation on their part :P
;)
hmm forgot about the Mardigras thing * still not very funny*
Obviously Rodney didn't ever have to attend Military Sexual Harrassment Training *definite red light joke*

Mitchell82
February 11th, 2008, 11:53 AM
;)
hmm forgot about the Mardigras thing * still not very funny*
Obviously Rodney didn't ever have to attend Military Sexual Harrassment Training *definite red light joke*

Oh god I hated that.;)

Redhooks
February 11th, 2008, 12:58 PM
Having just read the spoilers for Midway...
I think Carter gets removed after the IOA learn that she approved having Todd go through the Midway station in Miller's Crossing thus letting him know about it. This leads to the Wraith attacking the station and getting to the SGC. Just some speculation.

Mitchell82
February 11th, 2008, 01:28 PM
Having just read the spoilers for Midway...
I think Carter gets removed after the IOA learn that she approved having Todd go through the Midway station in Miller's Crossing thus letting him know about it. This leads to the Wraith attacking the station and getting to the SGC. Just some speculation.

I haven't read all the spoilers but I didn't think Todd had anything to do with it.

Redhooks
February 11th, 2008, 01:39 PM
I haven't read all the spoilers but I didn't think Todd had anything to do with it.
That is what someone said. You probably should put part of your post in a spoiler tag.
Midway spoilers...
It was only suggested that the Wraith learned it from Todd and maybe it wasn't willingly done by him.

hisg1fans
February 11th, 2008, 01:43 PM
Having just read the spoilers for Midway...
I think Carter gets removed after the IOA learn that she approved having Todd go through the Midway station in Miller's Crossing thus letting him know about it. This leads to the Wraith attacking the station and getting to the SGC. Just some speculation.

I'm all for speculation, but don't understand this theory. How can Carter be in trouble?

She wasn't even in the episode and there was absolutely no mention of her whatsoever. Shep took Todd seemingly of his own volition. I remember this clearly as it was one of many times this season when the writers should have at least MENTIONED Carter even if she wasn't seen.

Unless... are you maybe thinking she is taking the fall for Shep's reckless actions?

Mitchell82
February 11th, 2008, 05:47 PM
I'm all for speculation, but don't understand this theory. How can Carter be in trouble?

She wasn't even in the episode and there was absolutely no mention of her whatsoever. Shep took Todd seemingly of his own volition. I remember this clearly as it was one of many times this season when the writers should have at least MENTIONED Carter even if she wasn't seen.

Unless... are you maybe thinking she is taking the fall for Shep's reckless actions?
Well I'm not going to get into what happened in MC however technically he'd have to get her approval however the writers aren't going to make her get a discharge and then still bring her back from time to time.

Redhooks
February 11th, 2008, 07:48 PM
I'm all for speculation, but don't understand this theory. How can Carter be in trouble?

She wasn't even in the episode and there was absolutely no mention of her whatsoever. Shep took Todd seemingly of his own volition. I remember this clearly as it was one of many times this season when the writers should have at least MENTIONED Carter even if she wasn't seen.

Unless... are you maybe thinking she is taking the fall for Shep's reckless actions?


Well I'm not going to get into what happened in MC however technically he'd have to get her approval however the writers aren't going to make her get a discharge and then still bring her back from time to time.
I agree with Mitchell82 that Sheppard would have needed Carter's approval. I'm not saying Carter will be forced to resign from the Air Force, but JM did say something about a trial or court room story in season 5, I believe. Carter doesn't even need to be convicted because it could be just a "power play" by the IOA to get one of their own (Woolsey) in charge of Atlantis instead of someone from the U.S. Military. Didn't one of JM's lines from his spoiler poem say something about a power play? Carter could be reassigned to Area 51 again after the trial so that she is available for any future SG-1 movies. As I said before, it is all speculation, but I wanted to explain my reasoning. Time will tell.

Mitchell82
February 11th, 2008, 08:22 PM
I agree with Mitchell82 that Sheppard would have needed Carter's approval. I'm not saying Carter will be forced to resign from the Air Force, but JM did say something about a trial or court room story in season 5, I believe. Carter doesn't even need to be convicted because it could be just a "power play" by the IOA to get one of their own (Woolsey) instead of someone from the U.S. Military. Didn't one of JM's lines from his spoiler poem say something about a power play? Carter could be reassigned to Area 51 again after the trial so that she is available for any future SG-1 movies. As I said before, it is all speculation, but I wanted to explain my reasoning. Time will tell.

Very possible scenario.

apollo22
February 12th, 2008, 09:45 AM
i just read something on one of Joseph mallozi's websites,http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/, and there is a conversation between keller and carter. they are talkign about realtionships. carter says that there is someone in washignton and he is about to retire, any clues anyone. here is the blurp.Carter: So…you seeing anyone?

Keller: What?

Carter: Around the base, you seeing anyone?

Keller: I dunno…I had a moment with - with this…guy. He’s not exactly easy to read so…I guess the short answer is “no”. You?

Carter: Well, I’m the boss, so I can’t really…

Keller: Right Anyone back home?

Carter: Uhm…

Keller: Un-huh, I thought so. Give it up.

Carter: Well, it’s complicated.

Keller: Show me a relationship that isn’t.

Carter: He’s in Washington…I’m here.

Keller: Ouch. Long distance relationship.

Carter: He’s going to retire soon, so maybe -

Keller: Really! Retire? So…an older man, huh?

Carter: Not that much older.

Keller: Washington, older man…is he like a Senator or something? Someone famous? Would I know him?

Carter: Probably not.

i think that maybe carter is going to get married to o'neill like she has always wanted to, that is the reason for going back to earth and the guest appearences later on in the season.
i sure hope it turns out to be this. it would be about time after roughly 11 years of knowing each other.

hisg1fans
February 12th, 2008, 02:51 PM
Very possible scenario.

Possible. But I hope it doesn't happen that way :(

By the way, did this thread get moved? I thought it was under season 5:S

I this a not-so-sublte sign of Sam's dismissal ;)

artbrann
February 12th, 2008, 10:29 PM
i just read something on one of Joseph mallozi's websites,http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/, and there is a conversation between keller and carter. they are talkign about realtionships. carter says that there is someone in washignton and he is about to retire, any clues anyone. here is the blurp.Carter: So…you seeing anyone?

Keller: What?

Carter: Around the base, you seeing anyone?

Keller: I dunno…I had a moment with - with this…guy. He’s not exactly easy to read so…I guess the short answer is “no”. You?

Carter: Well, I’m the boss, so I can’t really…

Keller: Right Anyone back home?

Carter: Uhm…

Keller: Un-huh, I thought so. Give it up.

Carter: Well, it’s complicated.

Keller: Show me a relationship that isn’t.

Carter: He’s in Washington…I’m here.

Keller: Ouch. Long distance relationship.

Carter: He’s going to retire soon, so maybe -

Keller: Really! Retire? So…an older man, huh?

Carter: Not that much older.

Keller: Washington, older man…is he like a Senator or something? Someone famous? Would I know him?

Carter: Probably not.

i think that maybe carter is going to get married to o'neill like she has always wanted to, that is the reason for going back to earth and the guest appearences later on in the season.
i sure hope it turns out to be this. it would be about time after roughly 11 years of knowing each other.
my wife would approve(and watch an atlantis ep) if it has something to do with Sam leaving for that
say her Washington 'friend' retires, she goes back to Earth requesting the transfer, so she can work at say Area 51 and go home to play with him
and it's not like he would have issues with her job, or any security clearance issues if she was to say she was off to Atlantis for a week

josh
February 13th, 2008, 04:45 AM
i believe she will pretty much fired for a bad decision and that little weasel man that somehow represents our government (woolsey) will be in charge. in fact i am most certain of it

atfan
February 15th, 2008, 08:25 AM
You do know that the wedding in episode 200 was a joke, like the rest of the episode?
They're not really married.

FF :nox:

I said it was possible. Besides the trio thing there have been major hints to that effect.

Teslan
February 15th, 2008, 09:24 AM
I got the impression from something Mallozzi said in his blog that Sam gets injured somehow in 'Search and Rescue', but maybe I read it wrong. The idea that she has to face a court-martial for sticking to her guns and refusing to abandon people is intriguing, but doesn't really make sense unless something really goes awry. The members of SG-1 have grown adept at ensuring the saftey of the people under their command while running the risk of ticking off TPTB. They almost always manage to wriggle out of any demotions or other serious problems because everyone knows a) they are too important to handicap and b) because they aren't stupid and take insane risks only when they know they have the moral highground to stand on.

Saying the writers were expecting her to be in more episodes in Season 5, and now that Tapping has chosen to work on 'Sanctuary' I am hoping they don't pull a "it was only a temporary position" out of the hat.

Jumper_One
February 15th, 2008, 09:57 AM
Saying the writers were expecting her to be in more episodes in Season 5, and now that Tapping has chosen to work on 'Sanctuary' I am hoping they don't pull a "it was only a temporary position" out of the hat.

why not?

jdjunkie
February 16th, 2008, 02:36 AM
I said it was possible. Besides the trio thing there have been major hints to that effect.

Crikey! Looks like I'll have to re-watch the last two SG1 seasons in their entirety because I appear to have missed some pretty obvious and important stuff.:eek:

Have to say though that
He's going to retire soon, so maybe ... doesn't sound like soooo happily married bliss to me. ;)

I'm desperately hoping Carter leaves for military reasons and military reasons alone.

silly sally
February 16th, 2008, 02:41 AM
Crikey! Looks like I'll have to re-watch the last two SG1 seasons in their entirety because I appear to have missed some pretty obvious and important stuff.:eek:

Have to say though that
He's going to retire soon, so maybe ... doesn't sound like soooo happily married bliss to me. ;)

I'm desperately hoping Carter leaves for military reasons and military reasons alone.

I regret to inform you that Carter doesn't leave for military reasons - she takes sanctuary in the arms of a Major General :D

jdjunkie
February 16th, 2008, 03:13 AM
I regret to inform you that Carter doesn't leave for military reasons - she takes sanctuary in the arms of a Major General :D

Not in my universe.:p And now I must reach for the brain bleach to erase the mental picture you've just lodged in my head. ;)

Jumper_One
February 16th, 2008, 01:27 PM
I regret to inform you that Carter doesn't leave for military reasons - she takes sanctuary in the arms of a Major General :D


Not in my universe.:p And now I must reach for the brain bleach to erase the mental picture you've just lodged in my head. ;)

you realize she could leave Atlantis for military reasons and then take sanctuary in the arms of a Major General ;)

Teslan
February 16th, 2008, 02:30 PM
why not?

I don't feel they really set it for that kind of surprise and I fear it would come off as too abrupt. But after reading that little tidbit on the Gateworld homepage, I am thinking about chucking the injury theory out the window.

Jumper_One
February 16th, 2008, 02:36 PM
I don't feel they really set it for that kind of surprise and I fear it would come off as too abrupt. But after reading that little tidbit on the Gateworld homepage, I am thinking about chucking the injury theory out the window.

yeah I don't think she'll get injured. it wouldn't be a surprise imo if they say it was only a temporary position. it may suck since it's a tv show but think about it, how long does someone stay base commander in RL? I think it's absolutely possible that such a position is replaced regularly. in any case TBTB will come up with a good explanation

VSS
February 16th, 2008, 03:00 PM
you realize she could leave Atlantis for military reasons and then take sanctuary in the arms of a Major General ;)

That's my vote.
I expect there to be a damn good logistical/tactical reason for her to leave Atlantis. I don't want anything at all that would belittle all that the character has done getting to this point in her life. She's earned the position as the Commander of Atlantis through a lot of hard work and dedication to duty.

On the other hand, there isn't any reason why they can't also include her romance with O'Neill in the storyline. That would be a nice twist and most people either wouldn't mind or would like it. She's earned a happy life, too. It seems like all the characters in SG have had miserable personal lives. It'd be nice if a couple of them didn't. Well, at least right now, anyway.;)

Mitchell82
February 16th, 2008, 03:07 PM
i believe she will pretty much fired for a bad decision and that little weasel man that somehow represents our government (woolsey) will be in charge. in fact i am most certain of it

I seriously doubt that.

Jumper_One
February 16th, 2008, 03:11 PM
That's my vote.
I expect there to be a damn good logistical/tactical reason for her to leave Atlantis. I don't want anything at all that would belittle all that the character has done getting to this point in her life. She's earned the position as the Commander of Atlantis through a lot of hard work and dedication to duty.

yeah being a member of SG-1 for more than 10 years hasn't always been easy. Sam's really earned this position and I for one think that TBTB will come up with a good reason to explain her departure


On the other hand, there isn't any reason why they can't also include her romance with O'Neill in the storyline. That would be a nice twist and most people either wouldn't mind or would like it. She's earned a happy life, too. It seems like all the characters in SG have had miserable personal lives. It'd be nice if a couple of them didn't. Well, at least right now, anyway.;)

I completely agree, why can't she have both? the majority of the fans would surely be happy for her (especially S/J shippers and the Sam fans)

Mitchell82
February 16th, 2008, 03:13 PM
yeah being a member of SG-1 for more than 10 years hasn't always been easy. Sam's really earned this position and I for one think that TBTB will come up with a good reason to explain her departure



I completely agree, why can't she have both? the majority of the fans would surely be happy for her (especially S/J shippers and the Sam fans)
Agree on both points.

Jumper_One
February 16th, 2008, 03:24 PM
I seriously doubt that.

me too

VSS
February 16th, 2008, 06:53 PM
Here's something
Spoilers for Continuum
Continuum linked to Sam's Departure? (http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/02/tapping_suggests_timeline_contin.shtml)

Let the speculating begin!

Jumper_One
February 16th, 2008, 06:56 PM
"I'd love to say 'Yeah, this is how they're going to do it,'" Tapping told GateWorld, "but I don't want to give away any secrets from Atlantis. And the writers have done it really cleverly."

"The timeline for the movies may be slightly different than what we thought," said Tapping. "There's a little hint for you."

Could the events in Stargate: Continuum be the explanation for Sam being pulled away from Atlantis? Nothing is concrete on this side of the information fence, but it's the most plausible explanation at this point.
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2008/02/tapping_suggests_timeline_contin.shtml

EDIT: LOL VSS beat me to it :P

VSS
February 16th, 2008, 06:58 PM
She at least sounds happy about it. But I hope Sam's not doing any time travel/AU stuff. The "clever" part worries me.

EDIT: You shouldn't have said anything. I Just thought you were kindly putting up the quote for people too lazy to click the link. ;)

Jumper_One
February 16th, 2008, 07:04 PM
She at least sounds happy about it. But I hope Sam's not doing any time travel/AU stuff. The "clever" part worries me.

yeah I don't know about that either. we better wait for the actual interview, hopefully she will explain her answer


EDIT: You shouldn't have said anything. I Just thought you were kindly putting up the quote for people too lazy to click the link. ;)

at least it's not the entire article ;)

atfan
February 19th, 2008, 05:48 AM
I am taking a wait and see attitude. It would be cool to somehow lead into the movie Continuum sp? I am not worried about the clever part and since Amanda has said she is happy with the way she left I hope it is all good. I want a good story without distroying the character I know and love. I liked her in command I just thought that could have used her character better given the limited time she had this season. Any thoughts on how the movie could lead in the Atlantis storyline? I know the movie is supposed to a time travel type thing with Ba'al going back in time but what exactly causes him to do that? Any ideas or theories?

Jumper_One
February 19th, 2008, 05:26 PM
I am taking a wait and see attitude. It would be cool to somehow lead into the movie Continuum sp? I am not worried about the clever part and since Amanda has said she is happy with the way she left I hope it is all good.

my thoughts exactly


I want a good story without distroying the character I know and love. I liked her in command I just thought that could have used her character better given the limited time she had this season.

I was glad how TBTB handled Sam's introduction in s4. however I agree that they could've done a little bit more with the character


Any thoughts on how the movie could lead in the Atlantis storyline?

I'm not sure about that. I still don't believe she's leaving Atlantis because of the subtle change at the end of Continuum. whether or not the movie takes place after s4 is another question. Sam's still a member of SG-1 in Continuum and I can't see her rejoining the team after being base commander for a year. also the team as we know it probably doesn't even exist anymore


I know the movie is supposed to a time travel type thing with Ba'al going back in time but what exactly causes him to do that? Any ideas or theories?

check the Continuum thread in the movies section ;)

Mitchell82
February 19th, 2008, 08:39 PM
my thoughts exactly



I was glad how TBTB handled Sam's introduction in s4. however I agree that they could've done a little bit more with the character
Agreed however she has been very fleshed out and truly fit as a character and yeah more could be done and I'm sure that was the original plan until this Sanctuary thing happened.




I'm not sure about that. I still don't believe she's leaving Atlantis because of the subtle change at the end of Continuum. whether or not the movie takes place after s4 is another question. Sam's still a member of SG-1 in Continuum and I can't see her rejoining the team after being base commander for a year. also the team as we know it probably doesn't even exist anymore
Yeah that wouldn't make much sense, and from they way it looked in Midway SG-1 is not the same as it was.

jasminaGo
February 24th, 2008, 03:07 AM
I think the most likely scenario is that Sam was on a temporary duty in Atlantis and now is needed on Earth (like for the events in Continuum, whatever they are). Since she was sent there as an expert on the Replicators and they are now gone (as far as the IOA and the Atlantis crew know) she can be recalled without some dramatic act.

Jumper_One
February 24th, 2008, 11:54 AM
I think the most likely scenario is that Sam was on a temporary duty in Atlantis and now is needed on Earth (like for the events in Continuum, whatever they are). Since she was sent there as an expert on the Replicators and they are now gone (as far as the IOA and the Atlantis crew know) she can be recalled without some dramatic act.

I think the IOA wants control over Atlantis and that's the reason for Woolsey's introduction. I somehow doubt that Sam will return to Earth because of the events of Continuum because 1) she told Ronon in Midway
Teal'c has been am member of SG-1 for over ten years which measn the team as we know it doesn't exist anymore and 2) Sam was base commander for an entire year, I can't believe she'd just return to her duties as a team member of SG-1 after that

RealmOfX
February 24th, 2008, 03:23 PM
I think the IOA wants control over Atlantis and that's the reason for Woolsey's introduction. I somehow doubt that Sam will return to Earth because of the events of Continuum because 1) she told Ronon in Midway which measn the team as we know it doesn't exist anymore and 2) Sam was base commander for an entire year, I can't believe she'd just return to her duties as a team member of SG-1 after that

I'm not seeing how you've come to the conclusion in 1)
Are you saying Teal'c isn't on the team anymore? Or are you meaning something else? I'm just asking for clarification because I'm not following the logic but it could just be certain phrases mean something different in different countries.

To me saying Teal'c has been on SG-1 for over 10 years means that he is still on the team and it's been over 10 years. Now if 'has been' was substituted for 'was' then it becomes past tense and Teal'c isn't on the team anymore.

I see nothing in the statement you quoted that implies the team has changed but maybe I am misinterpreting what you meant.

Now as for 2) after seeing what they did to Sam in Season 9 (One year of commanding SG-1 and then having a much larger command of R&D at Area 51 and then supposedly going back to SG-1 in an unspecified position with an unqualified and inexperienced officer as leader) I believe TPTB will do anything they want to no matter how illogical but I'm hoping that they will treat the character respectfully this time.

Jumper_One
February 24th, 2008, 03:39 PM
I'm not seeing how you've come to the conclusion in 1)
Are you saying Teal'c isn't on the team anymore? Or are you meaning something else? I'm just asking for clarification because I'm not following the logic but it could just be certain phrases mean something different in different countries.

To me saying Teal'c has been on SG-1 for over 10 years means that he is still on the team and it's been over 10 years. Now if 'has been' was substituted for 'was' then it becomes past tense and Teal'c isn't on the team anymore.

I see nothing in the statement you quoted that implies the team has changed but maybe I am misinterpreting what you meant.

you're right and I'm sorry, that was my mistake :o I just rewatched the scene, Sam said
Teal'c was a member of SG-1 for over 10 years so he knows all about dealing with the IOA.


Now as for 2) after seeing what they did to Sam in Season 9 (One year of commanding SG-1 and then having a much larger command of R&D at Area 51 and then supposedly going back to SG-1 in an unspecified position with an unqualified and inexperienced officer as leader) I believe TPTB will do anything they want to no matter how illogical but I'm hoping that they will treat the character respectfully this time.

I agree with the bolded part however I really believe TBTB have thought of something interesting. AT said
And the writers have done it really cleverly.[...] The last script that I read, it was very clever and it made a lot of sense, and it dovetails nicely into the Stargate franchise. I think if she's happy then most fans will like it too.

she also said
The timeline for the movies may be slightly different than what we thought. which makes it obviously a lot more interesting but doesn't necessarily mean she's rejoining SG-1. that's all I'm saying

jasminaGo
February 25th, 2008, 01:52 AM
I think the IOA wants control over Atlantis and that's the reason for Woolsey's introduction. I somehow doubt that Sam will return to Earth because of the events of Continuum because 1) she told Ronon in Midway which measn the team as we know it doesn't exist anymore and 2) Sam was base commander for an entire year, I can't believe she'd just return to her duties as a team member of SG-1 after that

AT herself said that the timeline of the movies has been changed, since so far it has nothing to do with AoT, I'm guessing it's Continuum. I don't know if it's so that Continuum can happen, or because of what has already happened in it. For 1) true, but it doesn't mean that Teal'c can't come back form time to time and help out. And 2) I agree, from leading the most incredible base/city in the universe to following Mitchell rash decisions, talk about downfall. But just like with Teal'c it doesn't mean she can't join them ocassionaly.

I don't know exactly what is gonig to happen, I just don't want to see the character being ruined, after the development that has been made since SG1's S1.

Jumper_One
February 25th, 2008, 12:25 PM
AT herself said that the timeline of the movies has been changed, since so far it has nothing to do with AoT, I'm guessing it's Continuum. I don't know if it's so that Continuum can happen, or because of what has already happened in it.

I realize that the change in the timeline of the movies is probably because of s4/s5 of Atlantis but I'm not convinced that Sam leaves in order to return to SG-1 for Continuum


For 1) true, but it doesn't mean that Teal'c can't come back form time to time and help out. And 2) I agree, from leading the most incredible base/city in the universe to following Mitchell rash decisions, talk about downfall. But just like with Teal'c it doesn't mean she can't join them ocassionaly.

you're right they can always return and help out however I believe that both are still members of SG-1 in Continuum. s4 of Atlantis should take place after Continuum which means both Sam and Teal'c have left the team


I don't know exactly what is gonig to happen, I just don't want to see the character being ruined, after the development that has been made since SG1's S1.

I agree but I have faith in TBTB. Sam is one the most important persons in the SG franchise (next to Jack, Daniel and Teal'c), they won't ruin the character imo. also remember both Amanda and Joe have said they'd like Sam to return to Atlantis in future eps :)

wraith form Replicator
February 26th, 2008, 02:24 PM
She will be shot. By Mckay.:mckay:

Jumper_One
February 26th, 2008, 02:42 PM
She will be shot. By Mckay.:mckay:

um NO

JohnRico
February 26th, 2008, 06:14 PM
I think Sam will simply return to the SGC to attend Ba'als execution with SG-1. Why would Sam not want to make sure the execution of the guy that made SG-1s life a living hell for 10 years go through ? That is more then a enough reason for Sam to want to take temporary leave. But obviously something will happen while shes gone to not get her to come back

jenks
February 26th, 2008, 06:27 PM
I think Sam will simply return to the SGC to attend Ba'als execution with SG-1. Why would Sam not want to make sure the execution of the guy that made SG-1s life a living hell for 10 years go through ? That is more then a enough reason for Sam to want to take temporary leave. But obviously something will happen while shes gone to not get her to come back

Why would she? And more importantly, why would her superiors let her leave her post just for the sake of that?

JohnRico
February 26th, 2008, 07:05 PM
Why would her superiors let her leave her post just for the sake of that?

So that Ba'al never has a chance to mess with Earth ? Which he will. I am sure her superiors know how dangerous Ba'al is & can be

Jumper_One
February 26th, 2008, 07:14 PM
So that Ba'al never has a chance to mess with Earth ? Which he will. I am sure her superiors know how dangerous Ba'al is & can be

the only problem is that Sam and Teal'c are still members of SG-1 in Continuum ;)

silly sally
February 26th, 2008, 07:37 PM
the only problem is that Sam and Teal'c are still members of SG-1 in Continuum ;)

We don't know for sure, but the real problem is Teal'c's hair! :) He's got this awful look in Midway totally different from Ark of Truth and in Continuum he's got the same look as in the AoT!

Jumper_One
February 26th, 2008, 07:53 PM
We don't know for sure,

but we can be pretty certain imo


but the real problem is Teal'c's hair! :) He's got this awful look in Midway totally different from Ark of Truth and in Continuum he's got the same look as in the AoT!

yeah his hair is the other problem

silly sally
February 26th, 2008, 07:57 PM
I don't think TPTB are that concerned about sense, continuity and timeline. Let's face it they're not Tolkien!

BubblingOverWithIdeas
February 26th, 2008, 08:45 PM
yeah his hair is the other problem

So he tried out a new style and went back to his old one.

atfan
February 27th, 2008, 05:51 AM
I don't see that as a problem, he still has the grey stripe from unending and season five of Atlantis is taking place after AOT so he grew out his hair guys can do that he isn't military, no rules being broken.:)

PG15
February 27th, 2008, 09:09 PM
Amanda Tapping has left the building...


Said goodbye to Amanda and told her it was a pleasure working with her these past eight years. “Don’t’ be a stranger,”I told her in a particularly emotional moment. “Come back and say hi.” Then was quick add: “But call first so we can clear your name with the guard at the front gate.”

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/february-27-2008-just-the-highlights/

Jumper_One
February 27th, 2008, 09:15 PM
:( *sniff*

Fenrir Foxz
February 27th, 2008, 09:17 PM
Sad day indeed :(

Sg Gato
February 28th, 2008, 03:54 AM
Amanda Tapping has left the building...

Quote:
Said goodbye to Amanda and told her it was a pleasure working with her these past eight years. “Don’t’ be a stranger,”I told her in a particularly emotional moment. “Come back and say hi.” Then was quick add: “But call first so we can clear your name with the guard at the front gate.”


http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/february-27-2008-just-the-highlights/

Wow, sounds rather final. I had a glimmer of hope that Sam would appear in latter episodes. This statement effectively kills that hope. Bummer :(

silly sally
February 28th, 2008, 03:56 AM
Wow, sounds rather final. I had a glimmer of hope that Sam would appear in latter episodes. This statement effectively kills that hope. Bummer :(

Yes, i hoped that too. Let's hope it's not the end of Sam in the franchise, and we'll at least get her in the third movie :(

Skydiver
February 28th, 2008, 04:07 AM
well, i DO think he was kidding with that last comment. Especially since - last i knew - sanctuary was also taped at bridge studios, just in a different part of it.

I'm thinking that's a joke that - minus the smile and wink - reads like a 'don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out'

Redhooks
February 28th, 2008, 08:51 AM
well, i DO think he was kidding with that last comment. Especially since - last i knew - sanctuary was also taped at bridge studios, just in a different part of it.

I'm thinking that's a joke that - minus the smile and wink - reads like a 'don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out'
WHAT!!! Joe Mallozzi saying something just to stir up the fans?!?!? That has never happened before. ;) :P :D

Thunderbird 2
February 28th, 2008, 09:08 AM
I imagine that they'll give her a ship to command. Either that, or they will have her oversee some major scientific project in the MW.


There has been talk as far back as the end of SG1 season 10 /Atlantis Season 3 of giving Col Carter command of her own ship. Specifically either the Odyssey or the Apollo. For various reasons (notibly scheduling etc) it never happened.

I can see Carter getting command of Odyssey for future SG1 stories, which would also give her the ability to turn up now and again on Atlantis too.

Jumper_One
February 28th, 2008, 11:25 AM
Yes, i hoped that too. Let's hope it's not the end of Sam in the franchise, and we'll at least get her in the third movie :(

I wouldn't worry about future movies


well, i DO think he was kidding with that last comment. Especially since - last i knew - sanctuary was also taped at bridge studios, just in a different part of it.

I'm thinking that's a joke that - minus the smile and wink - reads like a 'don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out'

yeah Joe was definitely kidding with the last comment


WHAT!!! Joe Mallozzi saying something just to stir up the fans?!?!? That has never happened before. ;) :P :D

:lol:

VSS
February 28th, 2008, 11:36 AM
Wow, sounds rather final. I had a glimmer of hope that Sam would appear in latter episodes. This statement effectively kills that hope. Bummer :(

I don't think it means we won't see her in some later episodes, i don't think the writing for the last half of season 5 is even finished. What bugs me is if her scenes are already done for the first two eps, she must not be in them much.

i think he's saying goodbye to her as a regular cast member, and she probably won't be back for some weeks if she is doing any later eps.

Jumper_One
February 28th, 2008, 11:42 AM
I don't think it means we won't see her in some later episodes, i don't think the writing for the last half of season 5 is even finished.

yeah they're still trying to come up with stories


What bugs me is if her scenes are already done for the first two eps, she must not be in them much.

yes that's very strange however check out Joe's blog, several people asked him about that ;)


i think he's saying goodbye to her as a regular cast member, and she probably won't be back for some weeks if she is doing any later eps.

yup that's probably it. she'll be working on Sanctuary for the next months, it'll be some time before she may return to the Atlantis sets

atfan
February 28th, 2008, 11:52 AM
well, i DO think he was kidding with that last comment. Especially since - last i knew - sanctuary was also taped at bridge studios, just in a different part of it.

I'm thinking that's a joke that - minus the smile and wink - reads like a 'don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out'

oh I so agree Skydiver, It smacks of JM's humor look at what he did with the supposed spoiler for Kindred Part 1. He was so kidding with her. Guard indeed.
I am hopeful she will be around more but I bet they keep it kinda quiet until a few episodes into next season when we find out how everything occurs.

VSS
February 28th, 2008, 11:54 AM
yeah they're still trying to come up with stories



yes that's very strange however check out Joe's blog, several people asked him about that ;)



yup that's probably it. she'll be working on Sanctuary for the next months, it'll be some time before she may return to the Atlantis sets

Well, I don't want to sift through Joe's blog so can you just spill it, in spoilers if necessary? Please:)

Jumper_One
February 28th, 2008, 11:58 AM
oh I so agree Skydiver, It smacks of JM's humor look at what he did with the supposed spoiler for Kindred Part 1. He was so kidding with her. Guard indeed.
I am hopeful she will be around more but I bet they keep it kinda quiet until a few episodes into next season when we find out how everything occurs.

I would really hate not to know about any other appearences :P but it'd be a great surprise :)


Well, I don't want to sift through Joe's blog so can you just spill it, in spoilers if necessary? Please:)

we'll have to wait for today's blog, maybe Joe won't even answer. I (or PG15 or someone else) will post it ASAP :)

Jumper_One
February 28th, 2008, 08:18 PM
from JM's blog

Masterchief writes: “is this really goodbye? a while ago you said there’s a chance to bring her back for 1/2 episode(s) in the back half. have things changed?”

Answer: It’s only goodbye insofar as she’s no longer a regular on the show. She will definitely be back on Atlantis.

also

Val a ecrit: “Mais dites-moi Joe, bon ok vous avez dit aurevoir ?* Amanda mais est-il possible qu’elle revienne pour un épisode plus tard dans la saison 5.”

Reponse: Certainement.

Sg Gato
February 29th, 2008, 01:13 AM
from JM's blog

from JM's blog

Quote:
Masterchief writes: “is this really goodbye? a while ago you said there’s a chance to bring her back for 1/2 episode(s) in the back half. have things changed?”

Answer: It’s only goodbye insofar as she’s no longer a regular on the show. She will definitely be back on Atlantis.



My glimmer of hope is back :)

Skydiver
February 29th, 2008, 04:13 AM
i'll believe it when i see it...yet he does tend to not use terms like 'definitely' unless there are plans of some sort

atfan
February 29th, 2008, 11:04 AM
i'll believe it when i see it...yet he does tend to not use terms like 'definitely' unless there are plans of some sort

I agree and I am hopeful. If Amanda is able to I bet she will she is pretty good about juggling multiple projects.

Jumper_One
February 29th, 2008, 11:22 AM
My glimmer of hope is back :)

mine was never gone ;) but it's good to read this one again :)


i'll believe it when i see it...yet he does tend to not use terms like 'definitely' unless there are plans of some sort

I have no idea what terms Joe usually uses but I'd find it odd if one of TBTB of Atlantis confirmed her involvement in future eps (whether s5 or s6 etc) without actually thinking about bringing her back. and Amanda also said she'd like to return


I agree and I am hopeful. If Amanda is able to I bet she will she is pretty good about juggling multiple projects.

that she is and most importantly she wants to be back so yeah I think chances are pretty good :)

PG15
February 29th, 2008, 12:02 PM
Amanda's contracted for 2 episodes so far, and they've only shot the first one (the season premier).

She'll be in at least another.

Jumper_One
February 29th, 2008, 05:10 PM
Amanda's contracted for 2 episodes so far, and they've only shot the first one (the season premier).

She'll be in at least another.

she'll probably be in 502 'The Seed' but I don't think that's what Joe meant

hisg1fans
March 8th, 2008, 03:52 PM
So what do y'all think?

Is there anything in The Last Man that would give clues to Sam's exit?

Will the Pheonix be used? Will she go out in a battle? Will she leave because the IOA and military won't provide enough supplies?

Jumper_One
March 8th, 2008, 04:01 PM
So what do y'all think?

Is there anything in The Last Man that would give clues to Sam's exit?

Will the Pheonix be used? Will she go out in a battle? Will she leave because the IOA and military won't provide enough supplies?

I think that future doesn't exist. not much has changed imo

jelgate
March 8th, 2008, 04:06 PM
I think that future doesn't exist. not much has changed imo

The is predetermined by the characters who shape it. Sheppard has prevented that future from happing.

Killdeer
March 8th, 2008, 04:24 PM
I hope she gets her ship (the Phoenix). I think she made a good ship commander. :)

hisg1fans
March 9th, 2008, 04:59 AM
I think that future doesn't exist. not much has changed imo

I'm talking more about foreshadowing of the writers. In the timeline shown, Woolsey becomes base commander. It has been announced Woolsey becomes base commander for Season 5.

I just wonder what other little tidbits of info are in TLM that foreshadow what will happen in the 'fixed' timeline.

Jumper_One
March 9th, 2008, 12:37 PM
I'm talking more about foreshadowing of the writers. In the timeline shown, Woolsey becomes base commander. It has been announced Woolsey becomes base commander for Season 5.

yeah but him being in TLM has nothing to do with s5. RP decided to join the cast in december/january, they couldn't have known when this scene was shot


I just wonder what other little tidbits of info are in TLM that foreshadow what will happen in the 'fixed' timeline.

there may have been some but can't think of any right now :o

Skydiver
March 9th, 2008, 12:42 PM
having woolsey as the 'nightmare commander' likely was just a plot device in TLM, but i'm willing to bet that - when amanda turned in her notice and they were pondering who to replace her with - 'well, you know, we DID already have him as the co of atlantis in Last Man.....' came up in the discussion

I just hope the woolsey in TLM isn't the woolsey we'll get every week

or he's gonna get really old after just a week

Jumper_One
March 9th, 2008, 01:06 PM
having woolsey as the 'nightmare commander' likely was just a plot device in TLM, but i'm willing to bet that - when amanda turned in her notice and they were pondering who to replace her with - 'well, you know, we DID already have him as the co of atlantis in Last Man.....' came up in the discussion

yes that's what I thought too. I mean they used him in TLM why not ask RP if he's interested in becoming a regular. makes sense imo


I just hope the woolsey in TLM isn't the woolsey we'll get every week

or he's gonna get really old after just a week

I think the Woolsey we'll get won't be that different in the first eps of s5 but he'll change

Skydiver
March 9th, 2008, 01:08 PM
he'll have to or he'll be a walking, talking regular cliche

Jumper_One
March 9th, 2008, 01:10 PM
he'll have to or he'll be a walking, talking regular cliche

I'm pretty sure. Woolsey can't be the same person we know for the entire season 5. there has to be some character development. remember how Sam changed when she took command?

Lt. Ford
March 9th, 2008, 03:43 PM
She wants to leave because she misses Jack.

That's how it should be.

Frostfox
March 9th, 2008, 03:47 PM
She wants to leave because she misses Jack.

That's how it should be.

Because a woman is nothing without her man, obviously, and Sam's 11 years as an interesting character mean nothing if she doesn't end up shagging her boss. :rolleyes:

FF :nox:

LTCOLHOMER
March 9th, 2008, 03:54 PM
THEY ARE GONA KILL HER OFF LIKE ALL THE MAIN CHARACTERS IN A SEIRIES SHE WILL COME BACK AS A CLONE OR SOMETHING *SCRATCHES HEAD*:psycho:

Jumper_One
March 9th, 2008, 03:54 PM
She wants to leave because she misses Jack.

That's how it should be.

who says that's not one of the reasons? ;)


Because a woman is nothing without her man, obviously, and Sam's 11 years as an interesting character mean nothing if she doesn't end up shagging her boss. :rolleyes:

FF :nox:

why would the past 11 years mean nothing if she leaves because of Jack? besides this probably won't be the reason for her departure anyway


THEY ARE GONA KILL HER OFF LIKE ALL THE MAIN CHARACTERS IN A SEIRIES SHE WILL COME BACK AS A CLONE OR SOMETHING *SCRATCHES HEAD*:psycho:

:rolleyes:

hisg1fans
March 9th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Because a woman is nothing without her man, obviously, and Sam's 11 years as an interesting character mean nothing if she doesn't end up shagging her boss. :rolleyes:

FF :nox:

OT (all in jest):

Strange conversation I just had in my head :S

Thinks to self: "Am I successful? Have I had an interesting career?"
Replies: "I don't know."
Has a brilliant idea: "I better start shagging my boss just to make sure."
Stops to think: "Oh wait! I AM the boss."
Scratches head: "This could get complicated."
Asks self: "Is it time to retire?"

Back to your regularly scheduled programming....... :D

Commander Ivanova
March 11th, 2008, 01:50 PM
Don't know how they'll do it, probably just ship her back to earth where she is "more needed". Doubt very much that they'll kill her off, though what a powerful ep that would be.

Mitchell82
March 11th, 2008, 03:28 PM
Don't know how they'll do it, probably just ship her back to earth where she is "more needed". Doubt very much that they'll kill her off, though what a powerful ep that would be.

Most likely she'll be recalled like you said. They won't kill her off.

Jumper_One
March 11th, 2008, 03:54 PM
Most likely she'll be recalled like you said. They won't kill her off.

yup the IOA will probably all of a sudden decide to take over and she'll have to leave

Daniel Jackson
March 12th, 2008, 04:58 AM
The Ark of Truth doesn't make any references to Atlantis, so why not simply have her leave Atlantis to rejoin SG-1 and help find the Ark of Truth? It would make since given Warrick's statement about Woolsey busy with the Atlantis Expedition, but that could easilly have ment he's busy with reviewing their missions.

ultimategurion
March 12th, 2008, 05:22 AM
1. I'm pretty sure The Ark of Truth takes place during SGA's third season mid-season two-parter: Woolsey was on Atlantis then.

2. With the Ori taking over the Milky Way, why would the SGC suddenly decide to ship a valuable member of SG-1 to the Pegasus galaxy? That does not make sense.

3. Furthermore, why would the Ori suddenly wait a whole year to attack Earth so Sam can go have fun in Pegasus, then resume their attack once she's back?

Bray
March 12th, 2008, 05:25 AM
Yeah AOT is set before Atlantis season 4 so Carter was still in the Milky Way.

Daniel Jackson
March 12th, 2008, 05:29 AM
I've seen the movie. There are no mentions of Atlantis beyond Woolsey being busy with the expedition. This means that while the movie may have originally been intended to be set before "First Strike," it can easilly be set after Season 4. The only thing it'd contradict is Teal'c's appearance in "Midway." However, one could just conclude that he rejoined SG-1 to find the Ark just as Carter did. Time will tell.


Furthermore, why would the Ori suddenly wait a whole year to attack Earth so Sam can go have fun in Pegasus, then resume their attack once she's back?
I hadn't thought of that. Well, there went my idea. :S

alex153
March 12th, 2008, 06:06 AM
I've seen the movie. There are no mentions of Atlantis beyond Woolsey being busy with the expedition. This means that while the movie may have originally been intended to be set before "First Strike," it can easilly be set after Season 4. The only thing it'd contradict is Teal'c's appearance in "Midway." However, one could just conclude that he rejoined SG-1 to find the Ark just as Carter did. Time will tell.


There are other things that is mentioned in AOT that would contradict that. Like Odyssey is the only 304 that has the asgard beam weapon so far. The Appolo and Deadalus doesn't get it until somewhere in season 4 of Atlantis.

only4amoment
March 12th, 2008, 06:20 AM
Season four starts with Carter and Dr. Lee working on the Midway station. If the Ori were still a threat I don't think she'd be spending time there instead of working on a way to defeat them.

And as for AOT being after season four, why would they send one of their most brilliant scientific minds to Pegasus when they were facing such a dangerous enemy in their own galaxy?

silly sally
March 12th, 2008, 06:37 AM
The simplest counterargument is that Carter is a LtCol in AOT and a Full bird in Atlantis season 4, thus AOT can only taker place prior to Atlantis season 4!

Leir
March 12th, 2008, 07:51 AM
the bird thing does straighten things out
or
Jack could make a phone call in Season 5 and say, I really want to see you again. Make her be on the same committe as Jack is

Bray
March 12th, 2008, 07:55 AM
Or maybe just as she is leaving for Earth some poorly stacked missiles roll off their racking and blow up killing carter :jack_new_anime05::samanime24:

But I highly HIGHLY doubt that :p

jenks
March 12th, 2008, 08:50 AM
The Ark of Truth doesn't make any references to Atlantis, so why not simply have her leave Atlantis to rejoin SG-1 and help find the Ark of Truth? It would make since given Warrick's statement about Woolsey busy with the Atlantis Expedition, but that could easilly have ment he's busy with reviewing their missions.

She's not a full bird colonel in The Ark Of Truth.

Leir
March 12th, 2008, 09:37 AM
thats the point. in AoT she is Lt Col and in Atlantis she is full bird

Arrakis2013
March 12th, 2008, 10:37 AM
She could leave Atlantis through the Stargate.

Cree
March 12th, 2008, 11:09 AM
Or maybe just as she is leaving for Earth some poorly stacked missiles roll off their racking and blow up killing carter :jack_new_anime05::samanime24:

But I highly HIGHLY doubt that :p

:O how dare you suggest sam could die in such a way, blasphemy!

:sam::sam::sam::sam::sam::sam::sam::sam::sam::sam::sam::sam::sam::sam:

I LOVE SAM :D

as for the topic lol! Amanda said in an interview that they may use continuum as a way of bringing her home!

I_C_Ancients
March 12th, 2008, 11:53 AM
She could leave Atlantis through the Stargate.

LOL

andromeda_dan
March 12th, 2008, 12:08 PM
any mention of why SG1 (the team, not the show) was disbanded, anyways?

jasminaGo
March 12th, 2008, 12:41 PM
any mention of why SG1 (the team, not the show) was disbanded, anyways?

No one has said that SG1 is officialy disbanded. For all we know they can still operate, but with a slightly changed crew. And I doubt Sam will return in SG1, at least not premanently.

Jumper_One
March 12th, 2008, 03:56 PM
No one has said that SG1 is officialy disbanded. For all we know they can still operate, but with a slightly changed crew. And I doubt Sam will return in SG1, at least not premanently.

there will always be a SG-1 however we know that at least both Sam and Teal'c have left the team

Mitchell82
March 12th, 2008, 10:41 PM
there will always be a SG-1 however we know that at least both Sam and Teal'c have left the team

I wonder why Teal'c did because in Reunion it seemed like he was staying on SG-1. Maybe he wanted to be with T'pol......er Ishta.

Jumper_One
March 12th, 2008, 10:43 PM
I wonder why Teal'c did because in Reunion it seemed like he was staying on SG-1. Maybe he wanted to be with T'pol......er Ishta.

I don't know why Teal'c left but something must've happened after Reunion and before Midway...

Mitchell82
March 12th, 2008, 10:44 PM
I don't know why Teal'c left but something must've happened after Reunion and before Midway...

Probably. He is a guy who has needs after all so my bet is Ishta.;)

Jumper_One
March 12th, 2008, 10:47 PM
Probably. He is a guy who has needs after all so my bet is Ishta.;)

LOL good point ;)

Mitchell82
March 12th, 2008, 11:19 PM
LOL good point ;)

Besides think about it this way. Sg-1 VS hot Jaffa chick? Hmmmmm.........hard decision.;)

Jumper_One
March 12th, 2008, 11:23 PM
Besides think about it this way. Sg-1 VS hot Jaffa chick? Hmmmmm.........hard decision.;)

definitely not an easy decision :P

Mitchell82
March 12th, 2008, 11:24 PM
definitely not an easy decision :P

You're kidding right?

Jumper_One
March 12th, 2008, 11:31 PM
You're kidding right?

of course I'm kidding ;)

Cam_Mitchell
March 13th, 2008, 11:23 AM
Maybe she just stands down, so she can devote more time to research.

I don't think she was that comfortable in a command role tbh.

My Exact Thought!

atfan
March 13th, 2008, 11:28 AM
I've seen the movie. There are no mentions of Atlantis beyond Woolsey being busy with the expedition. This means that while the movie may have originally been intended to be set before "First Strike," it can easilly be set after Season 4. The only thing it'd contradict is Teal'c's appearance in "Midway." However, one could just conclude that he rejoined SG-1 to find the Ark just as Carter did. Time will tell.


I hadn't thought of that. Well, there went my idea. :S

AT states during her interview that AOT takes place directly before Season Four of Atlantis. This makes sense given the Ori threat is gone and Sam is no longer needed on SG-1 she came back to the SGC because of the Ori threat in Beachead SG-1 season nine. Instead of going back to Area 51 she took command of Atlantis. The IOA wanted a military commander and she has had experience fighting the replicators on SG-1. She was also familar with the Asgard technology due to her stint at area 51.

silly sally
March 13th, 2008, 11:29 AM
AT states during her interview that AOT takes place directly before Season Four of Atlantis. This makes sense given the Ori threat is gone and Sam is no longer needed on SG-1 she came back to the SGC because of the Ori threat in Beachead SG-1 season nine. Instead of going back to Area 51 she took command of Atlantis. The IOA wanted a military commander and she has had experience fighting the replicators on SG-1. She was also familar with the Asgard technology due to her stint at area 51.

Does this mean she'll go back to Area 51 when the IOA won't want her in Atlantis anymore? ;)

atfan
March 13th, 2008, 11:38 AM
I think that future doesn't exist. not much has changed imo

Hmm maybe not the exact future but Michael is still a threat, Carson is not able to help right now, The virus is still present in the human population, Telya has not been rescued yet. The setup for that bleak future still exists and the IOA is not happy with recent events. We know Woolsey will become commande of Atlantis the question is when and under what circumstance. Carter cares about Atlantis and only a major power play from the IOA would get her to leave. Also given the events of TLM that did happen ie) Sheppard and his team being trapped in the exploding building I can see Carter going to rescue them even without IOA approval for the mission. No man left behind motto and she is capable of leading a rescue team by herself.

I am guessing that won't go down well with the IOA and they will feel threatened and make a power play by removing Carter.

Again just a possible senario but a likely one. She may opt to get a ship, less IOA influence than at SGC and I can't see her returning to the SGC even as a team leader big step down.

atfan
March 13th, 2008, 11:41 AM
Does this mean she'll go back to Area 51 when the IOA won't want her in Atlantis anymore? ;)

Possibly but the Phoenix senario could happen as well. I would guess it would be something that the IOA wouldn't be in direct control of.

Mitchell82
March 13th, 2008, 01:57 PM
Possibly but the Phoenix senario could happen as well. I would guess it would be something that the IOA wouldn't be in direct control of.

I don't know they did try to cut the SGC's budget in favor of new ships.

Jumper_One
March 13th, 2008, 04:12 PM
Does this mean she'll go back to Area 51 when the IOA won't want her in Atlantis anymore? ;)

how should we know? this question will most likely be answered in S&R (or The Seed) but R&D is certainly one possibility :)


Hmm maybe not the exact future but Michael is still a threat, Carson is not able to help right now, The virus is still present in the human population, Telya has not been rescued yet.

ok but I don't think any of these will affect Sam's departure


The setup for that bleak future still exists and the IOA is not happy with recent events.

I agree the setup still exists but we don't know whether the IOA is happy or not. the last time we heard from them was in The Seer due to Sam's evaluation and Woolsey seemed happy. oh sorry the IOA was also mentioned in Midway but that was because of Rononthe IOA took over after Shep was missing and Teyla, Sam and Ronon had died


We know Woolsey will become commande of Atlantis the question is when and under what circumstance. Carter cares about Atlantis and only a major power play from the IOA would get her to leave. Also given the events of TLM that did happen ie) Sheppard and his team being trapped in the exploding building I can see Carter going to rescue them even without IOA approval for the mission. No man left behind motto and she is capable of leading a rescue team by herself.

I like how you mention a 'power play' ;) remember the spoiler poem?

The status quo shifts, a power play made


I am guessing that won't go down well with the IOA and they will feel threatened and make a power play by removing Carter.

I think most likely the IOA aka Woolsey will just assume command because they feel the military hasn't done a great job and want to be in direct control of the base. it would make sense and doesn't necessarily has to do with one of Sam's decision while base commander imo


Again just a possible senario but a likely one. She may opt to get a ship, less IOA influence than at SGC and I can't see her returning to the SGC even as a team leader big step down.

Sam won't return to be a member (or lead) of SG-1 or any other SG team imo. a ship is a possibility but which one? I think Ellis and Caldwell will remain in command of the Apollo and Daedalus


Possibly but the Phoenix senario could happen as well. I would guess it would be something that the IOA wouldn't be in direct control of.

we won't hear anything about the Phoenix in s5 imo, maybe in s6

atfan
March 17th, 2008, 10:20 AM
I don't know they did try to cut the SGC's budget in favor of new ships.

Yes during season nine, they have to fight for funding because with the Goauld threat gone, there was no need to keep so many SG teams Daniel and Vala go to Washington to convince them. Did you miss it when Vala insulted the manhood of one of the senate members totally priceless.

ACharmedAsgard
March 18th, 2008, 11:35 AM
When talking to someone it was suggested that the Phoenix may be already in production during the 'present' in Last Man and this gave me the thought that possibly after the events of 'Search and Rescue' Carter will positioned on the Phoenix whilst Woolsey take would take control of Atlantis.

The reason why I think this could possibly happen is - being in command of a ship will mean that Carter will not be on Atlantis constantly (Either out in Pegasus helping the fight or in the Milky Way) but could visit every now and again. This would then allow Amanda Tapping to continue with Sanctuary but still allow her to guest star in a few episodes of Atlantis.

This is only a theory - and I still haven't come up with the catalyst for Carter changing position to the ship from Atlantis (The last one being her dying which has hopefully been avoided in the new timeline).

shipper hannah
March 19th, 2008, 12:58 PM
they never actually said when continuum was set, so maybe [continuum spoilers]
she leaves to attend ba'al's execution
why she doesn't return to command though, i don't know.

atfan
March 19th, 2008, 01:10 PM
Probably. He is a guy who has needs after all so my bet is Ishta.;)
I don't think that is the reason more likely he returns to
Dakara to help rebuild after the Ori since he is no longer needed on earth he also returned to the SGC primarily for the ori threat as well. Now that the threat is gone he would have no reason to stay.

Jumper_One
March 19th, 2008, 01:11 PM
they never actually said when continuum was set, so maybe [continuum spoilers]
she leaves to attend ba'al's execution
why she doesn't return to command though, i don't know.

have you seen this (http://blog.scifitalk.com/2008/03/17/even-more-with-amanda-tapping.aspx) interview with AT?

"It's been really fun just to get the gang back together and there is such a sense of joy working with these people. I sound like I'm towing some party line but it's true. The timeline for the movies is prior to Sam's going to Atlantis. Even though they are obviously coming out after.When I talked to the writers and the producers about this, I asked if there was a concern about me doing these movies and then suddenly I'm on Atlantis. It's the same character so there has to be some sensibility of the timeline. they said they are not concerned about it. The movies happen before she goes to Atlantis. So I said, OK, That's fine with me."

also check out this (http://scifi.about.com/od/tvshowsaz/a/SciFi08upfronts.htm) article

Regarding her reduced involvement in season 5 of Atlantis, Tapping said she didn't know how many episodes she was in this year: she filmed the start of the season with the Atltantis crew, then switched over this month to the 13-episode run in front of the green screens with Sanctuary. Once she's done there she returns to Atlantis to film at least part of the end of season 5.

atfan
March 19th, 2008, 01:14 PM
have you seen this (http://blog.scifitalk.com/2008/03/17/even-more-with-amanda-tapping.aspx) interview with AT?


also check out this (http://scifi.about.com/od/tvshowsaz/a/SciFi08upfronts.htm) article

Yes I was excited when I saw this it means she will be in some more episodes.
I just wonder in what role? Guess we just have to wait but speculating is so much fun

Jumper_One
March 19th, 2008, 01:30 PM
Yes I was excited when I saw this

me too :)


it means she will be in some more episodes.

we still don't know if Sam leaves in S&R or The Seed right? she's in two eps, maybe this will be her second. hopefully I'm wrong!


I just wonder in what role? Guess we just have to wait but speculating is so much fun

I guess it depends how/why she leaves

atfan
March 19th, 2008, 02:17 PM
Maybe Joe will give us some hints in his blog. I can't see Amanda giving up Stargate Atlantis completely poor McKay no one will be able to understand again. Can you see this senario?
Woosley " Can you just break that down for me so I can understand"

Mckay- Oh this is hopeless where is Sam when you need her?"

Ripe for conflict

JohnRico
March 19th, 2008, 06:12 PM
Ripe for conflict

That is the sole reason that baldy is on board the forced conflict

PG15
March 19th, 2008, 06:45 PM
What's the difference between "forced conflict" and "conflict" on a TV show?

Skydiver
March 19th, 2008, 06:48 PM
to me, there's a natural conflict, like jack and maybourne...based on the characters and the actors' chemistry. Sam and Stargate Rodney is another example. (atlantis rodney doesn't count since he's changed)

then there's the contrived conflict...such as general landry being short with cameron because cam used to date caroline and broke it off with her (or something like that)

characters that are diametrically different and thus conflicting, or characters put into situations that 'force' them to conflict

Infinatus
March 19th, 2008, 07:37 PM
such as general landry being short with cameron because cam used to date caroline and broke it off with her (or something like that)

Wow. When did that happen?

atfan
March 20th, 2008, 09:52 AM
to me, there's a natural conflict, like jack and maybourne...based on the characters and the actors' chemistry. Sam and Stargate Rodney is another example. (atlantis rodney doesn't count since he's changed)

then there's the contrived conflict...such as general landry being short with cameron because cam used to date caroline and broke it off with her (or something like that)

characters that are diametrically different and thus conflicting, or characters put into situations that 'force' them to conflict

Great post Skydiver I prefer natural confilict myself it is more believable contrived is not as fun.

Wow. When did that happen?

It didn't maybe in fandom but it is not canon. Cam never went out with Dr. Lam.

jelgate
March 20th, 2008, 10:37 AM
Wow. When did that happen?

In Sky's sick mind.

GoSpikey
March 20th, 2008, 10:40 AM
to me, there's a natural conflict, like jack and maybourne...based on the characters and the actors' chemistry. Sam and Stargate Rodney is another example. (atlantis rodney doesn't count since he's changed)

I recently got the S1-10 box, and rewatched that ep. Man, Rodney was such a jerk! :eek:

Skydiver
March 21st, 2008, 04:47 AM
landry never took on cam for dating carolyn, although that was a plot line that they toyed with. cam was supposed to be an old boyfriend...and there's a couple of moments where that was played up. One episode where they both get out of an elevator and cam is buttoning his shirt.

but really, super duper new guy used to date the boss's daughter???? Kinda pushed the cliche a bit too far :)

Conflict shouldn't be a cliche. It shoud be something that happens naturally. LIke how jack and harry just disliked each other, then worked together, then came to an understanding...but for a while jack and harry were open enemies.

it was a natural conflict and came from the chemistry between the actors.