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GateWorld
January 29th, 2008, 05:07 PM
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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 406</FONT>
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A woman from Juliet's past puts her and Jack on the trail of Daniel and Charlotte, who are looking for a Dharma station to carry out their secret agenda.

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Amalthea
March 6th, 2008, 07:08 PM
That was awesome. I love a little more back story with Juliette. Ben is crazy and Lock is an idiot. He's so screwed and doesn't even know it! Great, great episode.

memnarch
March 7th, 2008, 02:11 AM
An interesting episode. Ben's definitely a few chevrons short of a stargate, but his manipulation of Locke in this episode was brilliantly played. By giving Locke exactly what he wants, and gaining some basic freedom, he's sown the seeds of distrust among the other members of camp Locke. If Ben is free, there's no way the Sawyer's going to trust him, and I'm pretty sure folks are more willing to trust Sawyer's opinion than Locke's anyway.

The fact that the DHARMA Initiative had a system to distribute a gas to kill everyone on the Island in place in advance is extremely disturbing. It's likely that the stations themselves were isolated, particularly the Swan and the Looking Glass, and weren't affected by the initial purge by the Others. Ben's obsession with Juliet is also rather unnerving. It's likely that she reminds him of either his mother or his friend Annie (whom the producers have hinted is of monumental importance to the storyline!).

Charles Widmore's involvement isn't at all surprising to me. I've expected it was him since we learned about the freighter folks. He certainly has the resources. His interest in the Island also explains why he was interested in the Black Rock diary last episode. Although I'm very curious as to how he's learned so much about the Island, especially to the point where he knows or at least suspects Ben's importance to it. The fact that Faraday and Charlotte had a map is also suspicious.

Overall, *** stars

ItsDan
March 7th, 2008, 04:23 AM
I'll put this in spoiler tags even though it's just my prediction but, anyone else think that


Michael


will be Ben's "guy on the boat"?

The_Carpenter
March 7th, 2008, 05:36 AM
I'll put this in spoiler tags even though it's just my prediction but, anyone else think that


Michael


will be Ben's "guy on the boat"?
I'd say its near certain, I've had that suspecion since Ben mentioned that he had a man on the boat ;)

marty2006
March 7th, 2008, 06:15 AM
yes its michael without a shadow of a doubt, pretty much common knowledge tbh however they had harold perrineau aka michael in the credits for this episode and he didnt appear in it

dosed150
March 7th, 2008, 08:58 AM
surely if ben is so dangerous why doesnt just put a bullet in him, i mean it wouldnt exactly be in cold blood and would be more sensible than what lockes doing

The_Carpenter
March 7th, 2008, 11:18 AM
surely if ben is so dangerous why doesnt just put a bullet in him, i mean it wouldnt exactly be in cold blood and would be more sensible than what lockes doing
Information... When ever anyone decides to do that, he comes up with some gem of information that makes him indispensable

jenks
March 7th, 2008, 01:50 PM
Juliet has just risen to the rank of my favourite character on the show, best written female character played by the best actress on the show by far. Oh, and another great episode. :)

Dusk
March 7th, 2008, 10:14 PM
Another station is revealed! The Tempest. Good to see some more meat being added to past events to give them more of a foundation. Again there is mention of Ana Lucia. The situation in Locke's camp is becoming a little nuts. I hope there are some big events on that front soon. Nice to see Claire put her foot in it with Locke, definately sets up a revolution, as Ben hinted. Poor Goodwin, this string of events definately makes me feel more for the Others.

SoulReaver
March 8th, 2008, 12:45 PM
ok folks, am I the only one to think severa things here don't add up ?

1) everything points to Ben wanting the entire island gassed (for whatever reason), yet Ben himself wasn't safe where he was in the camp - surely he wasn't willing to risk his own life ?

2) if Charlotte & Daniel really did want to stop the gas from being released, why didn't they simply tell Jack & co. about it, instead of sneaking away & arousing more suspicion (which nearly got everyone killed when Juliette almost stopped Daniel from terminating the process)

knowles2
March 8th, 2008, 02:01 PM
Because they been told not to trust anyone on the island, it simply they or more precisely Charlotte still harbor doubts that Jack gang have not join up with ben gang and are in fact just all working together to kill them and the freighter crew. so they are keeping them out of the loop. Plus I reckon their was more they were doing in that station,which I think was some kind power station than they told Jack and Gang, for one we know Faraday aim is something to do time travel, their a good bet that they were actually re powering the other stations and powering up the orchid for Faraday time traveling mission.

The fact that Dharm has a system is not that disturbing, they were under constant attack from who could just vanished in a blink of an eye like Juliet friend did. What I fine strange if they had such a system in place why did not they used it.

I guesting Widmore bought the knowledge off the black market , as the DHARMA initiative seem to be well and truly over.

Another possible more likely reason given the video tape is that he simply captured and tortured member of what organization Ben has set up off Island.

SoulReaver
March 9th, 2008, 04:36 PM
Because they been told not to trust anyone on the island, it simply they or more precisely Charlotte still harbor doubts that Jack gang have not join up with ben gang and are in fact just all working together to kill them and the freighter crew. given that Jack & co were far more suspicious of the boat people than the other way around, that is doubtful (and hey, it's the boat ppl who had the gas masks, not the losties). besides, they knew long since that Jack & co were the "real" losties ie. the passengers of flight 815, and that they were the ones awaiting rescue. ultimately Daniel & Charlotte had absolutely no reasonwhatsoever to leave Jack in the dark about the whole toxic gas thing. furthermore, how the hell did they even know about the imminent gas release in the first place ? something stinks about all this, I say Daniel & Charlotee may not be as "innocent" as they were made out to be

that's yet another plot hole actually - who initiated the countdown in the 1st place ? (and why ?) :tealcanime49:

Wyrminarrd
March 10th, 2008, 02:12 AM
given that Jack & co were far more suspicious of the boat people than the other way around, that is doubtful (and hey, it's the boat ppl who had the gas masks, not the losties). besides, they knew long since that Jack & co were the "real" losties ie. the passengers of flight 815, and that they were the ones awaiting rescue. ultimately Daniel & Charlotte had absolutely no reasonwhatsoever to leave Jack in the dark about the whole toxic gas thing. furthermore, how the hell did they even know about the imminent gas release in the first place ? something stinks about all this, I say Daniel & Charlotee may not be as "innocent" as they were made out to be

that's yet another plot hole actually - who initiated the countdown in the 1st place ? (and why ?) :tealcanime49:


Charlotte and Daniel initiated the countdown when they were destroying the gas, appearantly the only way to render it inert risked setting of the system and thus the reason they had the gas masks with them.

C & D could easily have suspected that one or more of the losties was really working for the islanders and would therefore try to prevent the gas system from being destroyed.

On the whole this was my least favorite episode of the season, I´ve come to prefer the flash forwards rather then the flashbacks.

SoulReaver
March 10th, 2008, 03:04 AM
Charlotte and Daniel initiated the countdown when they were destroying the gas, appearantly the only way to render it inert risked setting of the system and thus the reason they had the gas masks with them.

C & D could easily have suspected that one or more of the losties was really working for the islanders and would therefore try to prevent the gas system from being destroyed.k so Ben didn't want the island gassed either (makes more sense actually :-)

but still, if C&D's intentions really were genuine, wouldn't it have been a lot safer to just leave the gas as it was (the islanders were doing fine all these years) rather than embark on an extremely risky enterprise to destroy it ? I mean it's not like neutralizing the gas was a simple thing, as it involved the risk of doing far more harm than good (they came to what, 2 seconds close to a catastrophe ? not really worth the odds, I'd say)

Nyarlathotep
March 10th, 2008, 06:50 AM
They had to make the gas inert because Ben would have used it to kill all the 'invaders' at least as a final resort.... and if he couldn't he would have found a way to make it happen.

ItsDan
March 10th, 2008, 07:33 AM
Exactly. Destroying the gas was a preventative measure to prevent it from being used. And they had EVERY reason not to trust the losties, since Juliette is not only in their midst, but is influential as well.

Amalthea
March 10th, 2008, 03:26 PM
Also, forget not that many Losties were taken to live with the Others and in one such instance, the flight attendant, I believe, seemed reasonably ok being somewhat integrated into the Others' society. If they really knew a lot about Ben then they would probably know he would try to integrate some, if not all of them into "our little society" as Ben put it. So, I can understand why Charlotte and the rest would be suspicious.

YodaMate
March 11th, 2008, 08:49 AM
Unless there was another task they accomplished at the Tempest, then this first step of the Freighters mission was incredibly important ; neutralising the gas so they could operate freely on the island without a major threat to their lives. Charlotte was not going to risk anything going wrong with it.

Once they'd finished at the Tempest there was no indication that they planned to return to Jack and co., they could carry on their mission without interference by slipping away.

Also, Charlotte was the one calling the shots. She recently had up-close experience of Locke and his methods, and as far she knows not everyone in Jack's camp may have severed their ties with Locke's camp.

My friend and I do not believe that Juliet was actually contacted by Harper, rather we suspect it was the Monster posing as Harper given the way "she" appeared and disappeared and the Whispering going on at the time.

Unless Ben can communicate with it in his cell (which may be impossible if Locke has activated the barracks' sonic barrier), it seems 'Harper' was lying about Ben giving the orders. The real question is, did the Monster really want Juliet to kill Daniel and Charlotte, or did it pose as Harper with the intention of prompting Juliet to make a clean break from Ben ?

lunarleviathan
March 11th, 2008, 12:33 PM
My friend and I do not believe that Juliet was actually contacted by Harper, rather we suspect it was the Monster posing as Harper given the way "she" appeared and disappeared and the Whispering going on at the time.

Unless Ben can communicate with it in his cell (which may be impossible if Locke has activated the barracks' sonic barrier), it seems 'Harper' was lying about Ben giving the orders. The real question is, did the Monster really want Juliet to kill Daniel and Charlotte, or did it pose as Harper with the intention of prompting Juliet to make a clean break from Ben ?

This is an interesting theory, and I agree with it to a certain extent. However I think Harper is in fact Harper, or at least the consciousness of Harper. I think Jacob is a consciousness and the Hostiles are also. Somehow they exist separately from reality, separating consciousness from body in a similar way to how we've seen consciousness be able to travel through time with Desmond. I would guess that the Hostiles are fairly exclusive as to who they let in to their little club, which is why the killed Dharma who may have been a group trying to somehow become consciousness'. Then they pretended to be human and have been using Ben to recruit people to build a society where they can groom children into what they want tom to be in order to join their little consciousness club.

Anyway, I suspect that Dharma are the ones behind Mr. Widmore who is behind Daniel and Charlottes little research team. I would guess they're doing what they were originally, trying to research the island and how people become consciousness. Obviously Jacob/the monster/the hostiles don't want that, so they tried to get Juliet to kill Daniel and Charlotte. They probably could have done it themselves, but I would guess that they want to play people off against each other to reach some goal.

I think there are people that they want to keep alive, such as Juliet and probably some of the Losties, especially Aaron and Sun's child which would explain them just not mass exterminating everyone.

Anyway, summary being; I agree that Harper is some kind of consciousness and not physical anymore. Be it the monster or otherwise. :p

SoulReaver
March 13th, 2008, 10:21 AM
They had to make the gas inert because Ben would have used it to kill all the 'invaders' at least as a final resort.... and if he couldn't he would have found a way to make it happen.except that

- Ben was pretty much harmless now (being Locke's captive) and they knew it

- many years had passed on the island without the gas causing a problem, so why the sudden rush ? all the more so than their "solution" was very likely to cause more harm than good (a hell of a lot more harm since every islander could've been killed). if it ain't broke, don't fix it

- they were the only ones with gas masks. C&D would've survived the gas, not the losties, so they had no reason to distrust Jack & co. in this matter (unless they somehow believed the losties intended to commit mass suicide by releasing the gas -)

SgaIsBad
August 30th, 2008, 11:37 AM
I really hope they clarify about the gas issue

Devid
November 5th, 2008, 04:29 AM
Really this Episodes is Pretty cool........

Qtyled
January 18th, 2009, 09:38 PM
except that

- Ben was pretty much harmless now (being Locke's captive) and they knew it



The hostiles could have activated the gas. (In the past Ben only helped them gain access to the station)



- many years had passed on the island without the gas causing a problem, so why the sudden rush ? all the more so than their "solution" was very likely to cause more harm than good (a hell of a lot more harm since every islander could've been killed). if it ain't broke, don't fix it



Because for many years no one had come to the island. Now they were coming the natives could use it to kill them, ala Dharma. Their 'solution' wasn't risky because they had gas masks in case they screwed up. (they had no idea the losties would be on the island, which ended up complicating the issue).

So the situation is the following:
1. Let the hostiles activate the gas - killing the freighter folk AND the losties. (The hostiles would probably be safe since "the temple" appears to be on high ground.)
2. Make the gas inert. Risky, but prevents certain death by the hostiles.