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GateWorld
January 29th, 2008, 05:04 PM
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The survivors of Flight 815 find new hope of rescue when they successfully contact a boat offshore. But their rescuers may have their own ulterior motives in finding the island.

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Morbo
January 31st, 2008, 07:22 PM
Hurley episode ftw!!

Great opener. Awesome use of the flash forwards - especially at a different flashed forward time.

christian shepard in jacob's chair.

locke hanging out with him. wonder what they were talkin about.

also, wtf Jack, pulling the trigger on Locke. wow. ballsy.

TheGreatLordGeorge
January 31st, 2008, 07:28 PM
I thought it was a bit slow moving. But good overall. I wish it would have had more though after a near year hiatus

memnarch
February 1st, 2008, 02:44 AM
I agree that I kind of expected more after 8 or so months off the air. I didn't have high hopes going into this episode, mostly because of my great reservations about the whole flash forward thing. My main objection to them is that the flashbacks were created to show information about the characters' pasts and thus revealing why they act the way they do, what they might be trying to overcome or escape, and to reveal connections. Now, it seems to be reversed, in that the present time on the Island is doing that for the flashforwards. And the fact that only a few people made it off the Island? I just don't buy it.

Anyway, enough of my bitterness! The actual episode itself offered some interesting surprises which I have to say I enjoyed. The fact that it was a Hurley episode immediately makes me like it, even if it is a flashforward. I loved Jorge Garcia's performance in this episode. He did such a great job. I loved that Hurley was the one to tell Claire about Charlie. I totally saw it coming, but it was heart wrenching and touching nonetheless. I don't know about anyone else, but I no longer care for Jack. He's a complete a-hole and I have no idea why people are still listening to him. I mean, the fact that Ben wants to go with Locke (the man he shot and left in a pit) rather than Jack really speaks to the kind of jerk Jack is. Of course, Ben could realize that Locke is less likely to take revenge on him than Jack, but still.

The fact that the Island (or maybe the Monster?) seems to be trying to call Hurley back seems monumentally significant, especially since it appeared to him in Charlie's form and that Hurley appeared to be able to shut out its presence. This makes me wonder if bearded Jack had a similar experience to make him want to go back. It's also interesting that Hurley appeared to see Jacob, or Locke (?) in the cabin with Christian Sheppard (who, by the way, the producers promised was dead...I really don't like them right now either...)

Anyway, overall, I'd have to say either **1/2 stars with *** stars in all Hurley related events.

mizzoueng
February 1st, 2008, 07:01 AM
I was amazed that only 6 got off the island.

And did anyone understand what the black guy said to Hugo? He said something like "Are they still alive" or "Is Li still alive". I don't have tivo, so I couldn't go back and hear what he said.

I was getting pissed when everyone stood back and let Jack beat Locke and PULL THE TRIGGER. At this point, those on the beach knew that Locke was right after all with what Charlie "said". They should have stopped Jack but they just stood back and let him do it. What if the gun was loaded? Then Jack would have just killed Locke for being right!

And when Jack visited Hugo, he was wearing a suit much like the one the black guy was wearing, I thought maybe the Island was reaching our to Hugo but just changing the body but not the clothes.

Jack did say he just got back from a "consult", I think he is having health problems and is getting ill. This could be why he eventually wants to go back to the island so bad, he knows that the island has healing powers and wants to be cured. But I am sure there is more to it than that.

Somehow the remaining ~30 people have to either die or hide on the island somehow. I am betting on them mostly getting killed as Hugo was with the group going to the bunker. But there was a large group that was with Jack and for all we know Jack and Kate are the only ones from that group of 15 or so that survive.

Sp!der
February 1st, 2008, 07:06 AM
great opener - but it could also be 324 u know what i mean?...right from the beginning to end...and john locke is my fav...i love this guy.
jack is stupid. ^^

MrsB108
February 1st, 2008, 08:06 AM
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katielovesdaniel
February 1st, 2008, 08:37 AM
Wow.. that was a good episode.. I loved when Anna Lucias partner was saying if you wanna go to the nut house i can do that right now, and hes like YES PLEASE.. lol..
It was sad at the same time, I mean he just lost his best friend. So Christian Shephard in Jacobs chair hey??? Interesting.. I wonder if thats why Jacob is invisible, cause he can take the form of whoever.. thats why he took the form of Walt in the finale of season 3. And maybe this will be Lockes way of Convincing Jack to stay or trying to.. by getting Jacob to take the form of his dad... who knows lol... only time will tell on that one.
I loved Hurleys little speech about listing to his friend!! Very well done, but I wonder why he regrets it in the end. And Jack post island pre beard.. He seems to be in denial about wanting to go back.. he seemed so affected when Hurley said that "it" will do whatever it can to get them back.

You know the only thing I am hoping, is if Jack and Hurley are so tortured in the future and I think Kate is in denial.. or shes just being cold at the end of season 3. I just hope that the 6 who got off the island if they are so tortued, I hope in the end that they can make it back to the island and then they can all be happy.. i will not be happy if it ends with them all being so torutured about it lol..

ANDDD OH did you guys Catch that Jack NEVER said his name whenever he was talking to George.. at the end of season 3 he just said im one of the survivors of oceanic 815.. and when George called back hes like is this JACK??? so thats Interesting!!!!!!!! How did they know his name before he said it?

knowles2
February 1st, 2008, 09:43 AM
Wow.. that was a good episode.. I loved when Anna Lucias partner was saying if you wanna go to the nut house i can do that right now, and hes like YES PLEASE.. lol..
It was sad at the same time, I mean he just lost his best friend. So Christian Shephard in Jacobs chair hey??? Interesting.. I wonder if thats why Jacob is invisible, cause he can take the form of whoever.. thats why he took the form of Walt in the finale of season 3. And maybe this will be Lockes way of Convincing Jack to stay or trying to.. by getting Jacob to take the form of his dad... who knows lol... only time will tell on that one.
I loved Hurleys little speech about listing to his friend!! Very well done, but I wonder why he regrets it in the end. And Jack post island pre beard.. He seems to be in denial about wanting to go back.. he seemed so affected when Hurley said that "it" will do whatever it can to get them back.

You know the only thing I am hoping, is if Jack and Hurley are so tortured in the future and I think Kate is in denial.. or shes just being cold at the end of season 3. I just hope that the 6 who got off the island if they are so tortued, I hope in the end that they can make it back to the island and then they can all be happy.. i will not be happy if it ends with them all being so torutured about it lol..

ANDDD OH did you guys Catch that Jack NEVER said his name whenever he was talking to George.. at the end of season 3 he just said im one of the survivors of oceanic 815.. and when George called back hes like is this JACK??? so thats Interesting!!!!!!!! How did they know his name before he said it?

They probably got it of the flight manifest and their personal background and guest jack might take the leader ship role so they wanting more intelligence simply said jack to get him to confirm who they were talking to, even if was not jack, most people would of responded with their name, it a simple trick and can give you good information on who you gonna slaughter when they land on the island.

Love it when jack punch Lock, and would of love it even more if the gun was loaded to, the first death of the season would of been fun watch lock get it.

I love the surprise at the end, wondering who that bloke gonna turn out to be Charlie evil twin or long lost twin bother.

It was surprise that Noami cover for them I would not expecting that, it seem to me that she was actually good, I just got the feeling the reason the others are scared is simply because they know this time the scientists will not let them live in the woods and will probably just shoot them on spot unlike before where they just let lived in the jungle.

I did not like the fact the episode hurley centric I mean seriously after eight months of waiting I was expecting to be much more action pack and get on faster and may be answer a question or two to get people back into the series, this seems way to slow and personally first episodes on any series should never be character centric.

7/10 and cannot they like air the next episode tonight please cannot wait until next week.

Jumper_One
February 1st, 2008, 12:23 PM
wow definitely an interesting ep and a cool season premiere. I guess the flash forwards take place some time after those 6 got rescued (who are they anyway? Jack, Kate, Hurley, who are the other three?). Locke's crazy as ever and it's totally awesome! I'm not sure about Naomie's motives but since she worked for the 'bad' guys she probably didn't have anything nice in mind. ok so now we got two groups of people. it's gonna be ineteresting how some of them will meet again. and what'll happen to Ben. oh and of course the new guy, I wonder what he's up to.

all in all an interesting season premiere and I'm looking forward to next week

LoneStar1836
February 1st, 2008, 12:33 PM
Great episode. I’m going to like these flash forwards...adds to the intrigue and changes up the show a little, though I still want to see some flashbacks for Ben and Danielle. Flashbacks for the main characters have run their course.

I wasn’t expecting a great deal of answers right off the bat, but since the writers know how many episode they have left to work with, I’m hoping that they stay focused and we get a nice progression to the end of the story.


I can see Jack being so irrational to the point of pulling the trigger. (If John knew the gun wasn’t loaded, he was playing his own little mind game with Jack and possibly playing him against the others.) Jack really wants off that island (and feels it’s his duty to “shepherd” the others off the island as well) and at every turn Locke has foiled him or an attempt to be rescued. I can’t really blame him for going over the deep end and trying to shoot Locke.

While I think the people on the boat are probably “bad” (or I think they are)... I’m not totally convinced. The writers could be screwing with us by building them up as the badies only to reveal they are not. Ben and Locke don’t want off the magic island period regardless of who’s on the boat. Just because that’s not Penny’s boat doesn’t mean that the boat might have been sent by her father for some reason. *shrug*.... anyway, if I were on the island, I’d have sided with Jack cuz I want off that island too.:D And hey if Sayid is staying with Jack, I am too.;)

Besides these boat people have a helicopter. The barracks can be found and that sonic fence is not going to stop them.


As far as the “6” goes, it’s Jack, Kate, Hurley and I’m gonna go out on a limb and wonder if the promo pics for this season are some kind of indication (the one with the palm trees in the back and a city reflected in the water). If they are this one has Jack and Locke in the center with Hurley, Claire, Kate, Sayid, and Ben on Jack’s side while Sawyer, Sun, Jin, Desmond, and Juliet are on Locke’s side. Granted it makes no sense that the characters on Locke’s side would want to stay on the island (other than maybe Sawyer), but that’s all I got at the moment. Though since Desmond, Ben, and Juliet were not on the plane, they could still get off the island and not count as one of the “6”.

So if future Hurley is seeing “dead” Charlie, then I wonder if suicidal Jack is driven to that point by visions of his “dead” father. I don’t think Kate would ever want to go back because I think she was pregnant and that’s why she left in the first place.

So that was “Christian” in Jacob’s chair. :S So didn’t catch that. Is that why Jacob needed help?

And hey it’s the dude from “Saving Private Ryan” so he may hang around for a while.


Grrr...I hate having to wait a week and watch eps with commercials after having just rewatched the first three seasons on dvd to get ready for the new season.

nowvoyager908
February 1st, 2008, 05:59 PM
So, is the flash forward one of many possible futures? Or is it the same future as last season's finale only at a different point in the timeline? I love this show and won't miss it, but I have to admit to having no clue as to what is going on. LOL.

Also, I too am beginning to dislike Jack. He is just a little too trigger happy. I know he has no reason to trust Locke, but still.

Is it next Thursday yet? :cool:

Jumper_One
February 1st, 2008, 06:08 PM
So, is the flash forward one of many possible futures? Or is it the same future as last season's finale only at a different point in the timeline?

I think it's the same future, only this time they've been home for no longer than a few weeks maybe. remember Jack tells Hurley that the's thinking about growing a beard ;)

nowvoyager908
February 1st, 2008, 06:18 PM
I think it's the same future, only this time they've been home for no longer than a few weeks maybe. remember Jack tells Hurley that the's thinking about growing a beard ;)

I knew there was a very good reason why I record this show because there is always so much going on, I'm bound to miss something. I think it's time go and hit the play button on my vcr. :D

Jumper_One
February 1st, 2008, 06:34 PM
I knew there was a very good reason why I record this show because there is always so much going on, I'm bound to miss something. I think it's time go and hit the play button on my vcr. :D

yeah I know what you mean. there's so much stuff going on, it's pretty easy to miss something. I'll probably rewatch it tomorrow ;)

MB.Eddie
February 1st, 2008, 07:59 PM
Overall 4'1 The Beginning of the End was good imo. Not as great as i was hoping though.

Seems that they are continuing with the forward flashes. Wonder if it will continue all season?...

Main thing that interested me was Hurley revealing the The Oceanic 6. So there is 3 people who made it back that we are yet to find out about. Unless they count the funeral, so that would leave 2.

Surprised Jack pulled the trigger on Locke.

Thought they handled the whole Charlie's death nicely, and all separating at the end.

Dusk
February 2nd, 2008, 06:50 AM
A strong start to the season that cleverly sets up what is to come! I was also surprised that Hurley was the focus of the episode, effectively throwing the character into a more pivotal storyline than previous centric episodes 'Everybody Hates Hugo', 'Dave', and 'Tricia Tanaka is Dead'. What I like is that having a character we know is going to leave the island choose to side with Locke allows us to play out in our head all the possible characters that will make up the "Oceanic 6".

Of course, as many of you have pointed out, Jack's behaviour towards Locke at the cockpit only served to damage our opinions of the good doctor. Certainly everyone was right in being upset at Locke for destroying the submarine, but Jack's childish tantrum and clear desire to kill dealt a major blow to the group's faith in their leader.

Why didn't Desmond go with Locke? I thought for sure. Perhaps eventually.

Intriguing is the Island's apparent ability to reach out to people far away from it, as we saw and deduced was happening to Hurley. Obviously, those left on the island need for the 6 to return to the island for unknown reasons. Hmmm....

The man in the hut with Jacob did not look like Locke. I think it was Mikhail!

Well, bottom line, this is gonna get juicy!

JayShadow
February 2nd, 2008, 08:33 PM
The man in the hut with Jacob did not look like Locke. I think it was Mikhail!


It might have been Jakob, because Jakob wasn't the one in the rocking chair.

dresi4
February 3rd, 2008, 02:03 AM
So, is the flash forward one of many possible futures? Or is it the same future as last season's finale only at a different point in the timeline?

All flashforwards are set before flashforward from 322...

Morbo
February 3rd, 2008, 11:04 AM
mikhail is dead.(finally)
damon & carlton have said so.

DuncTK421
February 3rd, 2008, 03:10 PM
While I enjoyed this ep and look forward to the rest of the abbreviated :P season, I felt it was a weaker season opener than last years. The shot of the Others seeing the place go down and the ensuing dispersal of people is one of my favorite scenes. That aside, the Losties splitting up was unexpected, and it was interesting to see who went with who.

YodaMate
February 3rd, 2008, 08:19 PM
A slow start, action-wise, but it is Lost after all. However, it was jam-packed full of information, character interactions and twists.

Logically, we continue on from where Season 3 left off. With so much going down, we needed this episode to allow for debate to occur over the implications of Charlie's message before actually encountering the new guys.

Poor poor Hurley, his grip on reality is even more tenuous than usual. I love that viewers have accepted that the supernatural element of the show to the point where noone thinks for a second that Hurley might be nuts. However, Hurley has to feel like he is crazy and it's painful to see him this way.

Interesting turn that Jacob has reached out to Hurley, Jacob's reputation for creating freaky scenes is well and truly intact.

Another interesting contrast is that Locke is presenting himself as the Man of Reason and role reversed Jack as Man of Faith. Jack wants to believe that this rescue is legit, but Locke used reasonable arguments to put his case forward. However, don't think for a second that Locke isn't intending to follow the Island's orders, when/if he receives them. Locke played Jack well with the unloaded gun, manipulating Hurley and the others. Locke is becoming the new Ben and he now has his own little band of followers. Of course, Sawyer will not put up with any crazy shenanigans and he is emerging as a new potential leader.

Naomi's death was sensibly extended into this episode, and the mystery about her remains. She knew Desmond would be on the island, recognised him and even had his photo. But she also lied about her purpose. I suspect that she is connected to the Widmores, but is working for Charles and not Penny.

The future storyline is starting to be revealed, piece-by-piece. Hurley's takes place before Jack's, as noted by both Jack's lack of beard and their talk about beards (hilarious, by the way). More importantly, when Ana-Lucia's friend asked Hurley about her, there was no mention of the Island. Oceanic 6 heavily implies that only 6 people have made it back. It's become clear that either they have a pact amongst themselves or someone else doesn't want them to talk about the Island.

On the Oceanic 6, Kate's status may give the lie to the title. We know she is living free in the future, despite her incredible guilt, and Jack really struggled to contact her. This suggests she may still be a fugitive. However, it's unlikely that she could be a celebrity rescuee and not be arrested. So, she could be a secret addition to the "6", making them actually 7 or more.

Also, we now have rescuees on both sides of the Losties divide, yet Hurley's apology to Jack clearly implies that this episode was a turning point for some very bad things. The details and conditions of Rescue remain unclear, and Lost remains awesome.

Wyrminarrd
February 4th, 2008, 05:20 AM
Good episode over all.

I have to side with Jack in that getting of the island should be the main focus. However it would seem that the logical choice for people would be to remain on the island while the first people were rescued and simply ask them to send another rescue party later should everything turn out ok. This way you either get rescued or escape from being slaughtered by these people should they turn out to be the "bad guys".

I like the flash forwards, they shake things up nicely and will hopefully not give to much away to those of us who obsessively read into things;)

I agree with the previous poster about Kate, I was very surprised to see her side with Jack and getting rescued since I figured she of all people would want to stay on the island (beats live in prison). If however she is pregnant it would make sense for her to want of the island (even if abortion seems like a better choice to me).

My personal guess on who the Oceanic 6 are: Jack, Hurly, Sawyer, Sayid, Sun & Jin based on nothing but a wild guess :)

katielovesdaniel
February 4th, 2008, 09:52 AM
Desmond and Sayid went with Jack only cause someone on that boat knows Desmond.. wether its Charles Widmore.. he wants to find out.. they came for him.. so hes gonna go with Jack.. Sayid went cause he wants to know the boat peoples purpose.. he believed Charlie and Desmond.. but he wants to know why they really are there.. I want to know what Ben is gonna do now that hes with Locke... hmmmm we'll see..

Promethius30
February 6th, 2008, 02:19 PM
Nice start to the season no flashbacks just forwards i wonder if they will be any flash backs this season
Man this show is confusing

SgaIsBad
August 30th, 2008, 11:35 AM
i am really like the flash forwards...