Asuran Auroras weak because of no ZPM's (Spoilers)

[RedWolf]

We assumed that Aurora's were stronger one on one against Wraith ship.

Later we see in the later eps that Auroras aren't that strong.

In Spoils of War Todd gives a history lesson that the reason Wraith managed to outnumber the Ancients is that they stole ZPMs from Ancient ships.

Now the Asuran Replicator Aurora warships were more manageble because they did not have ZPMs.

Perhaps as a precaution of not repeating history.

[2ndgenerationalteran]

They are plenty strong, out numbered and damaged by a surprise attack, and they hold off an enemy pretty much until they are on their knees. A minute more and the Allied fleet would have been completely oblitterated. No indication saying they were or they weren't. I would believe a ZPM is a upgrade because it doesnt come standard.

[avidffan]

We assumed that Aurora's were stronger one on one against Wraith ship.

Later we see in the later eps that Auroras aren't that strong.

In Spoils of War Todd gives a history lesson that the reason Wraith managed to outnumber the Ancients is that they stole ZPMs from Ancient ships.

Now the Asuran Replicator Aurora warships were more manageble because they did not have ZPMs.

Perhaps as a precaution of not repeating history.

nice
i agree

as is always the case with strong enimies
their agrogance is always their undoing

they thought they didnt need them on any ships
so they got blasted pretty easily

i wouldve split the difference and kept zpms on the ships at home
and none on the ones sent on missions

[umopapisdn]

nice
i agree

as is always the case with strong enimies
their agrogance is always their undoing

they thought they didnt need them on any ships
so they got blasted pretty easily

i wouldve split the difference and kept zpms on the ships at home
and none on the ones sent on missions

That or it's that ZPMs are much harder to make than we expect and the rate they built ships was too fast to supply them all with ZPMs.

[avidffan]

That or it's that ZPMs are much harder to make than we expect and the rate they built ships was too fast to supply them all with ZPMs.

great point

while reading your post i realised that this thread must be dead on

because if the reps could make zpms easliy the splitter gruop would also have had plenty as liam claimed when they first met

and using common sense it would be far easier to destroy a planet with the flying gate weapon than to send ships and also less costly if something went wrong

so once again good point

thanks

[Forgottensmoke]

clone them? if the asguard core can clone things why not a zpm?

[ijffdrie]

becuase that beams use energy to create stuff, and a zpm contains much energy, so it would cost as much energy as a zpm

[RedWolf]

Since we didn't see any ZPMs in the Orion and Aurora I think the Ancients stopped the practice of placing ZPMs on ships in case of capture.

Much like intergalactic hyperdrives were not made a standard feature.

With possible exception of the Tria, which was going to Earth at lightspeed.

ZPM's on ships are a double edge sword.

The Asurans figure it would be better not to, given the knack of the Atlantis team of stealing from them.

[avidffan]

becuase that beams use energy to create stuff, and a zpm contains much energy, so it would cost as much energy as a zpm

yes thats right good one

[JSPuddlejumper]

Asurans created ZPMs like they were batteries. According to Niam he did not know how many there were (implying a massive amount).

If that is the case, could be it. Because those Aurora's were weak arse.

Shields were weak, with ZPM should go up 2-3 times (even with ZPM, they will never be Ori class shields).

But still does not explain why few drones were fired. 2 Aurora's without presumably ZPM's easily destroyed Hive (No Man's Land one) and Cruiser (Larren's Aurora).

What makes the Aurora's so great = drone barrages.

The only thing that went to expectations is the Asgard beams shredding the Aurora's.

[avidffan]

Asurans created ZPMs like they were batteries. According to Niam he did not know how many there were (implying a massive amount).

If that is the case, could be it. Because those Aurora's were weak arse.

Shields were weak, with ZPM should go up 2-3 times (even with ZPM, they will never be Ori class shields).

But still does not explain why few drones were fired. 2 Aurora's without presumably ZPM's easily destroyed Hive (No Man's Land one) and Cruiser (Larren's Aurora).

What makes the Aurora's so great = drone barrages.

The only thing that went to expectations is the Asgard beams shredding the Aurora's.

yeah and they said they were the last of the ancients too
and they also said that once niam had the new code he could give it to the others and stop their agression

yeah so once some one lies to you, you have a tendancy to not trust them

and if they did have as many as you think then why didnt they fire any drone weapons from the surface as john was worried about

but all this is mere speculation on everyones part
so have fun with it

[JSPuddlejumper]

Why would Niam need to lie to whom at the time were not enemies, but visitors?

Let's be realistic here:

One has to imagine the power requirements to run a city of billions, all those titanic skyscrapers.

Drones from the planet? Same reason why there were few drones fired from the Aurora's. Plot hole.

[Mister Oragahn]

We assumed that Aurora's were stronger one on one against Wraith ship.

Later we see in the later eps that Auroras aren't that strong.

In Spoils of War Todd gives a history lesson that the reason Wraith managed to outnumber the Ancients is that they stole ZPMs from Ancient ships.

Now the Asuran Replicator Aurora warships were more manageble because they did not have ZPMs.

Perhaps as a precaution of not repeating history.

It's an history of stupidity. How could the Wraith even manage to steal ZPMs from warships powered by ZPMs?
How could the ships not even be able to self destruct anytime Wraith would manage to board an Aurora?

Oh, wait. What did I say there? Wraith boarding Auroras powered by ZPMs?

Ok, give me some time here...

Wraith boarding Auroras powered by ZPMs...

Wraith boarding Auroras powered by ZPMs...

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Wraith boarding Auroras powered by ZPMs...

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No, sorry. Still stupid.

How could people, who need to steal ZPMs, be able to get them from warships backed up by such power sources to boot?
They literally gave us the worst outcome here.
The Auroras had ZPMs. Shields backed up by ZPMs. Weapons backed up by ZPMs. Stardrives and hyperdrives backed up by ZPMs. Coffee machines backed up by ZPMs. Just how the f-cking hell didn't they steamroll the Wraith??

If the Wraith are capable to produce power sources which, in certain numbers, can even the odds against ZPMs (which of course means that the Wraith have the resources to build so many power sources and all the ships and bases requiring them), then why need ZPMs to boot?

Yay, let's continue to make the Lantians even more stupid. They got defeated by people stealing their ZPMs.
Like, you know, the Wraith could steal enough ZPMs to balance the situation against those who actually knew how to build them...

You got to figure that everytime the Wraith would loose a ZPM, especially if used onboard a ship, they'd be just there, with one ZPM less.

You got to admire the idiocy, really. It was time they'd die or ascend, really, since their intelligence and common sense obviously came to a limit here.

Besides, the Auroras, even not powered by ZPMs, when they're still fully functional, can kick the crap out of hiveships at a festival. Watch No Man's Land and see what the crippled Orion managed to achieve, when crewed by people who were not even Lantians.

[avidffan]

Why would Niam need to lie to what at the time were not enemies but visitors?

Let's be realistic here:

One has to imagine the power requirements to run a city of billions, all those titanic skyscrapers.

Drones from the planet? Same reason why there were few drones fired from the Aurora's. Plot hole.

first off
theres nothing realistic going on here
just thoughts and ideas to explain things we dont understand
its not like you or anyone can call and check with them to see whos really right

second
the reps are evil and filled with rage
why wouldnt they lie about something to bolster their appearanace right away
we all saw how little the team mattered to them after only the first fifteen or so minutes
and in that time they were treated as an annoyance rather than guests
so yeah theyd lie because they could never see us as anything more than
"the childern who get all the parents love and attention"

third one zpm partly used was powering atlantis
through hyperspace and the shields upon enrty to the new planet
come to think of it its still going
they last for about 3300 years while keeping the city shelid up all the way around the city underwater (before i sleep)


so instead of just knocking the show withn the words plot hole

answer the threads question

[Vala_M]

The whole Wraith getting into a ship powered by a ZPM doesn't make sense, the shield can't go down if it's powered by a ZPM, unless they did what they did in "Unending" to make the shields go down which they shouldn't, remember, the Daedalus took the bolt from the sun when it was powered by a ZPM in "Echoes" so they obviously had to "dumb down" the Odyssey's ZPM-powered shield to make them less powerful. This is probably the way the writers selected with the Ancient warships now.

Unless the Wraith ambushed them when they dropped out of hyperspace before the shield was up but the Wraith never had that kind of sensor technology.

Vala,