New bad guy(s)?

[wkw427]

Now that the Ori aren't a threat, Asurans are crippled (we think so), Wraith aren't a real threat, and the Goa'uld are nothing, WHO IS THE BAD GUY!!

Perhaps for Stargate Universe, what would you want the bad guy to be?

Requirements:

Must be powerful, more powerful then Earth is.
Must seem hopeless to defeat
Must be scary in a way. The Goa'uld, Wraith, and Ori were somewhat scary. Glowing eyes, life sucking-through-hand, holy crusade w/ mind powers..


I personally think it'll be the rivles of the Great Alliance. Why else would the Ancients need to build defence when on Earth?

Non ascended bad guy. Peobally short with dark skin. Like a reptile or something

[PG15]

I'll be the first to say it:

FURLINGS!

[the fifth man]

I'll be the first to say it:

FURLINGS!

That would be one heck of a twist, but I doubt we'll ever see anything about the Furlings.

[Archaeis]

There are a few that we have seen that could possibly fill the role.

Grace Aliens
Furlings
Salish


Or, if MGM were to aquire the rights to Roald Dahl's IP then we could have as enemies:

Oompa Loompas!

[Gregorius]

I'll be the first to say it:

FURLINGS!

Furlings: Thirty-three foot tall Buddhist Ninja killing-machines. :D

Besides doesn't the "Ninja" part imply that they'll win per default since they're invincible and unstoppable ... unless the Expedition becomes Ninjas a well, I see a Power Rangers cross-over with Ninjor comming up. :p

As for another set of bad-guys: AU Atlantis, where they don't lose every Ancient ship they get and actually developed Ancient based-technology. :D Or the SGC.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

I vote for the new bad guys to be called Phantoms and be shapeshifters...

[mickhhh]

an enemy that is so powerful they already have about 8 galaxys of there own with a huge empire spead across them. there numbers would be massive. they could be like the machine race but not Replicators. there ground troops could be some thing like the necrons from Warhammer 40000: Dawn of War -- Dark Crusade. if you have not seen they they look like this
http://uk.media.pc.ign.com/media/802/802065/img_3978938.html

very evil. they could have huge intergalactic ships the size of the moon that carry 100s of mother ships. each mother ship would only have interstellar capability. maybe they were once an organic race but they changed them selves so they could be more ruthless and evil. they throught of this change as they selves evolving.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

an enemy that is so powerful they already have about 8 galaxys of there own with a huge empire spead across them. there numbers would be massive. they could be like the machine race but not Replicators. there ground troops could be some thing like the necrons from Warhammer 40000: Dawn of War -- Dark Crusade. if you have not seen they they look like this
http://uk.media.pc.ign.com/media/802/802065/img_3978938.html

very evil. they could have huge intergalactic ships the size of the moon that carry 100s of mother ships. each mother ship would only have interstellar capability. maybe they were once an organic race but they changed them selves so they could be more ruthless and evil. they throught of this change as they selves evolving.

So you want... the Necrons in Stargate? :p I think the more advanced or large an enemy the more difficult it will be to make a credible storyline. Example being the Ori... I love the race but it required a Dues Ex Machina to end them so that might be too uber... mind you we need an advanced race because Earths got Asgard technology in their possession so we dont want an enemy that can be blown up easily and constantly by Earth's ships.

[SGFerrit]

Joe mallozzi has said that we will meet new friends and foes in season 5.

He also says the end of season 4 leaves the door open for lots of possibilities, including non-humanoid alien races:)

I don't think the Wraith are too weak for us though, I think alot of focus will shift back to them soon.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

Joe mallozzi has said that we will meet new friends and foes in season 5.

He also says the end of season 4 leaves the door open for lots of possibilities, including non-humanoid alien races:)

I don't think the Wraith are too weak for us though, I think alot of focus will shift back to them soon.

O really? Interesting, any chance you can give a link to where he says this? I have been away for a bit so havent kept up to date on the stuff JM has said on his blog :) would be nice to see some non humanoid aliens though I do worry about them perhaps putting too much in Atlantis to cover but so far they havent disappointed so here's to season 5 and perhaps beyond tha even!

[SGFerrit]

O really? Interesting, any chance you can give a link to where he says this? I have been away for a bit so havent kept up to date on the stuff JM has said on his blog :) would be nice to see some non humanoid aliens though I do worry about them perhaps putting too much in Atlantis to cover but so far they havent disappointed so here's to season 5 and perhaps beyond tha even!

I'm not sure exactly, but his recent blog is only a week or so old, you can probably find a link in the thread on the news forum. It was in the Q&A section of one of his entries, atleast the bit about there being possible non-humanoid races was. I can't remember where the other bit was, I'm not sure if it was on his blog or not...

[jenks]

The Wraith aren't a real threat? Since when?

[wkw427]

The Wraith aren't a real threat? Since when?

since the Asurans kicked their behinds.. and us now.

[PG15]

I'm not sure exactly, but his recent blog is only a week or so old, you can probably find a link in the thread on the news forum. It was in the Q&A section of one of his entries, atleast the bit about there being possible non-humanoid races was. I can't remember where the other bit was, I'm not sure if it was on his blog or not...


Susiekew writes: “Any chance we’ll see non-humanoid aliens in season 5?”

Answer: It’s possible. Events in the back half of season 4 will open the door to all sorts of possibilities.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/december-22-2007/

[Gregorius]

The Wraith aren't a real threat? Since when?

Since the writers retconned their strength and turned them into wussies.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/december-22-2007/

Oh cool :D thanks for finding that, can't wait to see that!

[fugiman]

How about this for a new bad guy

An Ancient who was an Ori Spy who developed the replicators as his way to get revenge on humanity for not worshiping Origin and knowing that the Ancients would prevent the Ori from seeing the galaxy. However he lost control of them and gave up them knowing it would take time to make a controllable version. So when his time was done instead of ascending he decided to stay in stasis waiting for his time to strike again but at the same time went into a virtual world as to develop his new and improved replicators. Now he awakes ready to strike again.

So he finds a rogue group of Genii and other humans in the PG and he uses his Ancient/Ori unascended abilities to become their new god, and brings them into a new era of technology as to rival that of the tau'ri and while he uses the Genii/others to keep the tau'ri busy while he builds an army of controllable replicators to unleash on the tau'ri however this time they will have ancient/ori upgrades to make Earth hurt


How does that sound?

[The Prophet]

Foothold Aliens! ;)

[fugiman]

Foothold Aliens! ;)

I liked them

[mickhhh]

So you want... the Necrons in Stargate? :p I think the more advanced or large an enemy the more difficult it will be to make a credible storyline. Example being the Ori... I love the race but it required a Dues Ex Machina to end them so that might be too uber... mind you we need an advanced race because Earths got Asgard technology in their possession so we dont want an enemy that can be blown up easily and constantly by Earth's ships.

yes i would like to see them there ground forces are very interesting. instead of having to find some new tech to beat them it could be as simple as uniting many of the races in the galaxy. like the federation in star trek. this alliance would consist of more than just the jaffa and Tau'ri it would have Tok'ra, Goa'uld, Aschen, Tollan survivors, Re'tu, GIANT ALIENS, GADMEERS, space race aliens (cant remember there names), Lucian Alliance, Foothold aliens, grace ship aliens and more. maybe even the noxs and the Furlings. it be be a great final to see 100s of ships from all these races to attack that enermy

[wkw427]

100s of ships?

I got a feeling that we'll see it in MAMSBR

[s09119]

SLIGHT "ARK OF TRUTH" SPOILERS!





I'd like to see an enemy race just like us; a group of beings who advanced by studying Ancient technology, and have now reached an Odyssey-level of development. All of their ships would be powerful, but we could destroy them through superior tactics and superior numbers. One-on-one, these guys would be unstoppable, but if we actually worked with our allies (Jaffa=ships and army, Tok'ra=spies, etc.), we could beat them.

Maybe have them be in a group of star systems on the far edge of the galaxy, where they have lived for millennia. The Ancients once had a vast base on their homeworld, but no stargate, so they've had no experience with the rest of us. However, when the Jaffa Nation discovers them, they see a chance to expand and attack. This would lead into the storyline, where their ships would easily overpower a few ha'tak and commandear them.

The Jaffa, under Teal'c and Bra'tac, try and hold the aliens off on their own, but their technology is only slightly below that of the Ori, and they quickly find themselves in over their heads. Teal'c orders the Nation's borders sealed and asks Earth to help negotiate with these people. When that fails, the aliens attack Earth (having got its location from stolen ha'tak), and destroy the Antarctic outpost--maybe exposing the Stargate Program in the process, but not necessarily.

At the same time as this is all happening, we could ask the former-Ori followers, now under Tomin's rule, to help us. So they would send their fleet through the supergate here to the Milky Way... but the aliens would be waiting for just that, having learned of the Ori War from the Jaffa. An armada of theirs would ambush the Ori fleet as they were arriving, and would take the supergate for themselves.

Now, this would be a great chance to get the rest of the galaxy back involved in things. Have the Tok'ra begin spying on the enemy and tracking their ships, have the Langarans and Hebridanians contribute to the resistance, maybe even contact the Nox. We could explore the enemy themselves, too. Maybe only the ruling class is for this expansion-at-all-costs, and maybe the citizenry questions the morality of what they're doing.

Just an idea, but I'd like to see enemies that aren't powerful on their own, but... like us... studied alien technology in order to become an extremely powerful force.

[redrama9]

1. we don’t know what the outcome of the ori storyline is, i seem to be the only one who is going to watch it properly when it comes out.

2. the wraith are currently in trouble yes but they are still a threat

3. at the end of 410 the Asurans are as big a threat as ever and aren’t crippled so you seem to be talking about something that hasn’t happened yet.

4. There are still many replicators in other galaxies so they still exist and aree indeed unstoppable in terms of eradication.

[Ranlier]

Here's a thought?

How about the Ancients themselves? God knows how many galaxies they colonized, or how many schisms they had.

There is also the possibility of an Asgard nemesis who refused to partake in the mass extinction, such as Loki. A desperate genius who already thinks human genetics are his salvation.

I'd like to see all our old friends against us in some form or another.

[Jackie]

Maybe the new "bad guy" should be us. Thor said humans were not ready for the tech advances but they would take that chance on us.

Maybe a divide amongst Earth would be the next great problem.

I can see the planet either uniting or dividing after gaining the Asgard tech.

My optimistic, rose colored glasses say we will use the technology to cure disease and the knowledge of E.T.s will stop religious conflict.

While my more cynical, think prescription lenses see a future on the brink of a third world war where China, Russia and Japan will want to the technology as well as terrorist groups who wish to use the technology to destroy the "infidels" and then use that very technology to claim to be the next son of god.

The division would ripple through the IOA, straight down into the SGC and sides would be drawn. In a measure to gain more power I can see other countries exposing the Gate and all the problems associated with it. Brow beating the US armed forces into giving up possession.

Spinning stories of just how inapt the US is to handle the situation the free world economy takes a nose dive. To stabilize the situation marshal law is declared and tensions tighten.

Eventually we humans would start enforcing our religions and laws off world and the new order begins.

The next group of underdog heroes would be "rebel" humans who didn't agree with the "new Order" and old enemies who now must become our allies--like the Goa'uld.

[jds1982]

4. There are still many replicators in other galaxies so they still exist and aree indeed unstoppable in terms of eradication.

Where did you get that information?

[g.o.d]

Shivans, because they weren't pure evil.

[Mattathias2.0]

4. There are still many replicators in other galaxies so they still exist and aree indeed unstoppable in terms of eradication.

Really? Like???? I have yet to see an "unstoppable" enemy in Stargate. They all have some sort of weakness (usually simple and low tech).

[Ltcolshepjumper]

I think it would actually be good if the next big enemy we face was us. Think about it. Every enemy we faced had to be defeated through extraordinary means- Ori, Replicators, Asurans. And the other two we've faced (goauld, wraith) had to be crippled by worse enemies because they already had a head start. Topped with the fact that the two most powerful races ( Asgard and the Ancients) are no longer around. But, facing ourselves (like the Trust on a galactic scale) would be interesting, because the enemy would be hard to beat, but at the same time not too hard that it takes a deus ex machina to stop them. Also, they would actually be an intelligent enemy, without a common weakness or flaw.

[redrama9]

Where did you get that information?

The replicators (not the asurans) have spread to many galaxies. The unknown galaxy in Enemies, the Ida galaxy, milky way galaxy. The dekara weapon couldnt have destroyed replicators that were in the middle of space or/and on planets without stargates. So we know for 100% that they are still in three galaxies. For argument sake lets say there are none in the milky way they are still in 2 galaxies. I thnik its safe to assume that they have travele to other galaxies besides this as well.

[redrama9]

Really? Like???? I have yet to see an "unstoppable" enemy in Stargate. They all have some sort of weakness (usually simple and low tech).

The replicators are the most unstopable enemy in stargate to date including more unstopable then the Asurans. They have spread over many galaxies and are spread over too wide a area and in too great a number to ever eradicate completly.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

The replicators (not the asurans) have spread to many galaxies. The unknown galaxy in Enemies, the Ida galaxy, milky way galaxy. The dekara weapon couldnt have destroyed replicators that were in the middle of space or/and on planets without stargates. So we know for 100% that they are still in three galaxies. For argument sake lets say there are none in the milky way they are still in 2 galaxies. I thnik its safe to assume that they have travele to other galaxies besides this as well.

Uhm there is nothing that confirms this though, the unknown galaxy could very well have been the Ida galaxy. Also its said by Thor that they activated a recall mechanism within Reese that attracted all the Replicators to Halla which in turn was destroyed by a black hole created by the Asgard and the only Replicators to survive were those that followed Fifth who in turn escaped to the Milky Way galaxy. So its quite possible that a majority of all the Replicators are dead and there arent other galaxies where they are causing problem.

While I can see the appeal of another rival group of Humans I think the Stargate formula has always been about an advanced alien race that seems almost impossible to defeat.

[segaxgames]

Imagine this.

While reading through the asgard history, Daniel notices a small paragraph explaining a schism in the asgard race. One group believed that cloning was the way of the future. The other group believed in having good sex all the time and making babies. Even through much debate, the two factions decided to seperate. The Asgard stayed in their home galaxy, and the other group went to a distant galaxy.

Now we all know the story of the "asgard", but we don't know anything about the Valkary -- the thriving offshoot of the asgardian race.

Both are technologically advanced. Both are Galactic Superpowers. However, both are not on the side of Earth.

The Valkary are evil oppressors that want to go back to Ida, and take over the asgard. When the Valkary eventually come to Ida, they see that the Asgard aren't there. Instead they see that beings called "Humans" are living on their former worlds.

Needless to say, the Valkary are happy. They feel that this galaxy is free for them to take.

...Until they run into a group of humans, known by many as: Earth

[Col. Shadow Quinn]

Their mirror universe equivalents. That'd be the ultimate enemy.

[EarthandBeyond]

A crossover with either enemys in Babylon 5, Star Wars or Star Trek Universes. - If you count into acount an Ulimited amount of parallell worlds it is possible that all of thouse 3 universes excists. And since in Stargate Univers it wasnt the first time the topic of parallel worlds was raised that could be a possability.

[Darien]

A crossover with either enemys in Babylon 5, Star Wars or Star Trek Universes. - If you count into acount an Ulimited amount of parallell worlds it is possible that all of thouse 3 universes excists. And since in Stargate Univers it wasnt the first time the topic of parallel worlds was raised that could be a possability.
Well, these may be good themes for some fanfics but these can never be part of the franchise because of copyright issues.

[ashman2]

1. we don’t know what the outcome of the ori storyline is, i seem to be the only one who is going to watch it properly when it comes out.

I plan to wait for it to come out on DVD proper

[jenks]

The replicators are the most unstopable enemy in stargate to date including more unstopable then the Asurans.

And yet, they have been stopped.


They have spread over many galaxies and are spread over too wide a area and in too great a number to ever eradicate completly.

Speculation.

[Gregorius]

The replicators (not the asurans) have spread to many galaxies. The unknown galaxy in Enemies, the Ida galaxy, milky way galaxy.

True.


The dekara weapon couldnt have destroyed replicators that were in the middle of space or/and on planets without stargates. So we know for 100% that they are still in three galaxies. For argument sake lets say there are none in the milky way they are still in 2 galaxies. I thnik its safe to assume that they have travele to other galaxies besides this as well.

Well, I think it was stated in "Unnatural Selection" that the Asgard used the Gynoid Reese to summon all the replicators to a single planet, thus resulting in all the replicators being in the Ida Galaxy. That planet was subsequently destroyed by the combined efforts of SG-1 and the Asgard when the sun turned into a black hole.

Fifth survived and took all the replicators with him to the Milky Way so he could exact his revenge on SG-1 who had betrayed him. Fifth was killed by RepliCarter and she replaced him as the leader of the replicators but still intent on destroying SG-1.

With the Dakara weapon all the Replicators were wiped out since it's save to assume the Replicators were on planets with Stargates only as they were commencing their assault on Earth and its allies. Therefore it's save to assume that all replicators were wiped out.

[seinfeldsg1]

Uhm there is nothing that confirms this though, the unknown galaxy could very well have been the Ida galaxy. Also its said by Thor that they activated a recall mechanism within Reese that attracted all the Replicators to Halla which in turn was destroyed by a black hole created by the Asgard and the only Replicators to survive were those that followed Fifth who in turn escaped to the Milky Way galaxy. So its quite possible that a majority of all the Replicators are dead and there arent other galaxies where they are causing problem.

While I can see the appeal of another rival group of Humans I think the Stargate formula has always been about an advanced alien race that seems almost impossible to defeat.

Not so, how do you explain the ships that the replicators flew in enemies and in unnatural selection? The asgard themselves said that the replicators commanded a technology beyond what they (they being the asgard) understand. I would think if there was another race in ida that was more advanced than the asgard and was conquered by the replicators, I would think the asgard would know about it. The most logical explination would be that those unidentified ships the reps have as well as the technology more advanced than that of the asgard came from somewhere else other than the asgards home galaxy. Which in turn suggests that the unknown galaxy in enemies may be where that tech was aquired from and therefore is not the asgards home galaxy. Thus the reps HAVE expanded to other galaxies.

[Ltcolshepjumper]

Not so, how do you explain the ships that the replicators flew in enemies and in unnatural selection? The asgard themselves said that the replicators commanded a technology beyond what they (they being the asgard) understand. I would think if there was another race in ida that was more advanced than the asgard and was conquered by the replicators, I would think the asgard would know about it. The most logical explination would be that those unidentified ships the reps have as well as the technology more advanced than that of the asgard came from somewhere else other than the asgards home galaxy. Which in turn suggests that the unknown galaxy in enemies may be where that tech was aquired from and therefore is not the asgards home galaxy. Thus the reps HAVE expanded to other galaxies.

Let's see, they activated a command for ALL the Replicators to go to Halla. And then the eventually destroyed the planet. So, they did reduce the Replicator numbers. Even if they had those ships, all the Replicators went to Halla. So, the last of the Replicators (commanded by Replicarter) were wiped out with the Dakara device. They are no more.

[fugiman]

Not so, how do you explain the ships that the replicators flew in enemies and in unnatural selection? The asgard themselves said that the replicators commanded a technology beyond what they (they being the asgard) understand. I would think if there was another race in ida that was more advanced than the asgard and was conquered by the replicators, I would think the asgard would know about it. The most logical explination would be that those unidentified ships the reps have as well as the technology more advanced than that of the asgard came from somewhere else other than the asgards home galaxy. Which in turn suggests that the unknown galaxy in enemies may be where that tech was aquired from and therefore is not the asgards home galaxy. Thus the reps HAVE expanded to other galaxies.

But Reese's code allowed the Asgard to get all of the Replicators to the Asgard homeworld and then destroyed in the black hole so it was all of the replicators or the Asgard would have done something else

[PG15]

At this point any "offshoot of allies = enemies" storyline will be seen as a rip off of the Ori.

Sorry, but we can't have similarities on Stargate. EVAR.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

But Reese's code allowed the Asgard to get all of the Replicators to the Asgard homeworld and then destroyed in the black hole so it was all of the replicators or the Asgard would have done something else

Indeed otherwise what was the point of the Asgard sacrificing their homeworld just to deal with one group of Replicators? The idea was to take them all out, if a single one was out there it would have repeated the cycle all over again so the idea was to trap/destroy them on Ida.

[Garth Claw]

The replicators based off a Reese mistake have been eliminated, see below.

The Asgard's most recent failed plan involved a time-dilation device, Thor explains. In studying the android Reese ("Menace"), they discovered a way to signal all Replicators in the universe to come to them. Once they were all there, on the mostly-evacuated Asgard world, the time-dilation device would be activated. It created a bubble around the planet in which time was slowed down by a factor of 10,000 -- effectively trapping the bugs there long-term, until the Asgard could find a way to eliminate them for good.

Those under the control of replicator-carter where destroyed when the Dakra device was used and every gate that could open in the MWG was opened. Given that after that Sam says something about not destroying the device till they where sure all the replicators where defeated, given that hunting the remaining ones would have been a good story (within reason) we can safly assume they have been eliminated as well.

My vote is for the Aschen to return seeking vengence for the stargate address (having used them as a bases to understand the system, also they have hypercapable ships).

[mickhhh]

The replicators based off a Reese mistake have been eliminated, see below.

The Asgard's most recent failed plan involved a time-dilation device, Thor explains. In studying the android Reese ("Menace"), they discovered a way to signal all Replicators in the universe to come to them. Once they were all there, on the mostly-evacuated Asgard world, the time-dilation device would be activated. It created a bubble around the planet in which time was slowed down by a factor of 10,000 -- effectively trapping the bugs there long-term, until the Asgard could find a way to eliminate them for good.

Those under the control of replicator-carter where destroyed when the Dakra device was used and every gate that could open in the MWG was opened. Given that after that Sam says something about not destroying the device till they where sure all the replicators where defeated, given that hunting the remaining ones would have been a good story (within reason) we can safly assume they have been eliminated as well.

My vote is for the Aschen to return seeking vengence for the stargate address (having used them as a bases to understand the system, also they have hypercapable ships).

i was just about to say the Aschen. it would be a good storyline. there could be lods about ethics cos we are fighting humans under there own control. like if we needed to nuke them as a preemptive strike. we would be kills millons of innocent humans that get told what 2 do but them could say its us are them.

[s09119]

i was just about to say the Aschen. it would be a good storyline. there could be lods about ethics cos we are fighting humans under there own control. like if we needed to nuke them as a preemptive strike. we would be kills millons of innocent humans that get told what 2 do but them could say its us are them.

I think I wrote a story in the "Third SG-1 Movie" thread about this... I always wanted to see them come back.

[redrama9]

Let's see, they activated a command for ALL the Replicators to go to Halla. And then the eventually destroyed the planet. So, they did reduce the Replicator numbers. Even if they had those ships, all the Replicators went to Halla. So, the last of the Replicators (commanded by Replicarter) were wiped out with the Dakara device. They are no more.

I think its very safe to assume that the subspace command from the andriod reece that was used could only commnad all the replicators in the ida galaxy to come forth. We have seen in stargate that no subspace link can be shared between galaxies. The ancients, ori, asurans can't so i see no reason why people are assuming replicators in other galaxies would have also come to Halla. It was a command to attract all the replicators in the Ida galaxy.

[mickhhh]

I think its very safe to assume that the subspace command from the andriod reece that was used could only commnad all the replicators in the ida galaxy to come forth. We have seen in stargate that no subspace link can be shared between galaxies. The ancients, ori, asurans can't so i see no reason why people are assuming replicators in other galaxies would have also come to Halla. It was a command to attract all the replicators in the Ida galaxy.

they could have sent it through stargates or they could have sent a ship to the other galaxys and transmitted it.
maybe the asgard can send messages to other galaxys cos replicator carter spoak to firth when he was not in the galaxy i think.
plus the ancients, ori, asurans might be more advanced but that does not mean they are in every way. the must have some techs that are better and we dont no that they could not do this.

[DetriusXii]

Shivans, because they weren't pure evil.

From Descent: Freespace? That would be an awesome idea. And like in the game, we should never have dialogue on the enemy, only speculating what their actions might be.

[DetriusXii]

The replicators are the most unstopable enemy in stargate to date including more unstopable then the Asurans. They have spread over many galaxies and are spread over too wide a area and in too great a number to ever eradicate completly.

Actually, I think the Ori could naturally counter the replicators without the need for a galactic superweapon. Prior telekinesis is a powerful thing, has an area of effect, and sweeps out across its range. This would be better than bullets when countering the Replicators. Of course it takes one unstoppable enemy to counter another.

[Ltcolshepjumper]

I think its very safe to assume that the subspace command from the andriod reece that was used could only commnad all the replicators in the ida galaxy to come forth. We have seen in stargate that no subspace link can be shared between galaxies. The ancients, ori, asurans can't so i see no reason why people are assuming replicators in other galaxies would have also come to Halla. It was a command to attract all the replicators in the Ida galaxy.

Why are we assuming that the Replicators were in more galaxies than Ida and the Milky Way? If they were, the Asgard would have warned us. I think it's safe to assume that the only galaxies with Replicators were Ida and the Milky Way.

[redrama9]

Why are we assuming that the Replicators were in more galaxies than Ida and the Milky Way? If they were, the Asgard would have warned us. I think it's safe to assume that the only galaxies with Replicators were Ida and the Milky Way.

we are assumung this becuase the replicators were seen in a unknown galaxy in Enemies and the fact that the replicators could modify asgaurd technology beyond the asguards understanding / create technology beyond the asguards understanding. This is show in one episode i cant rember which but Thor says this himself and the create bit is shown in New Order.

[DetriusXii]

we are assumung this becuase the replicators were seen in a unknown galaxy in Enemies and the fact that the replicators could modify asgaurd technology beyond the asguards understanding / create technology beyond the asguards understanding. This is show in one episode i cant rember which but Thor says this himself and the create bit is shown in New Order.

Any replicator originating outside of the MW would likely be in spider form only and thus wouldn't be capable of adapting to the ARW. The human forms were a recent introduction and it took a human form to learn how the ARW worked. I somehow doubt the spiderforms would have what it takes to adapt to the ARW. Otherwise, Fifth would have just seen spiderforms constantly on to Earth rather than sending Replicarter. The spiderforms that exist outside Ida and the MW are harmless.

[redrama9]

Any replicator originating outside of the MW would likely be in spider form only and thus wouldn't be capable of adapting to the ARW. The human forms were a recent introduction and it took a human form to learn how the ARW worked. I somehow doubt the spiderforms would have what it takes to adapt to the ARW. Otherwise, Fifth would have just seen spiderforms constantly on to Earth rather than sending Replicarter. The spiderforms that exist outside Ida and the MW are harmless.

I think your right that there wuldn't be any human form in other galaxies. I think it is also true that the replicators in other galaxies wouldn't be aware of the ARW. The bug form did adapt themselves on the Hat'ak when thor fired on them however that is probably only becuase replicater carrter had uploaded information about the ARW to their subspace link. Howerver they are far from harmless. Earth hasn't been able to construct a planet wide ARW or defence satelite one like the asguard could so i would say they are far from harmless. Even though earth have all the asguard knowlege the replicator technolgy is superior to even that of the asguard.

[Ranlier]

I'd much rather see individual renegade Asgard such as Loki than an Ori version of them.

Stargate has always been more interesting against individuals (Apophis, Anubis, Michael) than large groups (Wraith, Ori, etc.)

[Gregorius]

Large groups lack personality while individuals must have personality and thus become far more interesting.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

I think I wrote a story in the "Third SG-1 Movie" thread about this... I always wanted to see them come back.

I could very well see the Aschen storyline that was planned in a movie format now.

[umopapisdn]

I'd much rather see individual renegade Asgard such as Loki than an Ori version of them.

Stargate has always been more interesting against individuals (Apophis, Anubis, Michael) than large groups (Wraith, Ori, etc.)

I agree, also once they are gone then there are still armies left and stories around that where with races once theyre destroyed then they don't really come back.

[seinfeldsg1]

Why are we assuming that the Replicators were in more galaxies than Ida and the Milky Way? If they were, the Asgard would have warned us. I think it's safe to assume that the only galaxies with Replicators were Ida and the Milky Way.

Dude, read the whole thread, that was already explained, here it is again:

Not so, how do you explain the ships that the replicators flew in enemies and in unnatural selection? The asgard themselves said that the replicators commanded a technology beyond what they (they being the asgard) understand. I would think if there was another race in ida that was more advanced than the asgard and was conquered by the replicators, I would think the asgard would know about it. The most logical explination would be that those unidentified ships the reps have as well as the technology more advanced than that of the asgard came from somewhere else other than the asgards home galaxy. Which in turn suggests that the unknown galaxy in enemies may be where that tech was aquired from and therefore is not the asgards home galaxy. Thus the reps HAVE expanded to other galaxies.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

Not so, how do you explain the ships that the replicators flew in enemies and in unnatural selection? The asgard themselves said that the replicators commanded a technology beyond what they (they being the asgard) understand. I would think if there was another race in ida that was more advanced than the asgard and was conquered by the replicators, I would think the asgard would know about it. The most logical explination would be that those unidentified ships the reps have as well as the technology more advanced than that of the asgard came from somewhere else other than the asgards home galaxy. Which in turn suggests that the unknown galaxy in enemies may be where that tech was aquired from and therefore is not the asgards home galaxy. Thus the reps HAVE expanded to other galaxies.

Thats a bit of a stretch, if you want to believe that fine but nothing suggests it. Just because the Replicators were far more capable technological when compared to the Asgard doesnt mean they have spread to other galaxies.

Now if you have one of TPTB stating that the Replicators moved to other galaxies, that would be a different story.

[seinfeldsg1]

Thats a bit of a stretch, if you want to believe that fine but nothing suggests it. Just because the Replicators were far more capable technological when compared to the Asgard doesnt mean they have spread to other galaxies.

Now if you have one of TPTB stating that the Replicators moved to other galaxies, that would be a different story.

It also dosent mean they havent. And the above explination as to why they probably have really couldnt be laid out any simpiler for you.

[AvatarIII]

idea: powerfull species comes to our galaxy from another galaxy (which they have saturated), with the purpose of inhabiting every planet in the galaxy with it's own species, due to the fact that they can live forever (through their own advanced science), and they also reproduce quite a lot (perhaps catholic sensibilities to reproduction?), see's humans as vermin that must be exterminated, and therefore no negotiation is possible, bioenginneer unique creature for every job that must be done, and for every environment that exists. big and scary, and as non humanoid as possible for a show like stargate

the whole vermin extermination is the only stance that hasn't been done by stargate villians

wraith > humans are needed food
goa'uld> humans are needed as hosts and slaves
replicators> most humans are an annoyance at best, until we got the tech to defeat them
ori > humans are followers and are needed to draw power from

therefore the idea that humans are completely not needed, and can be exterminated has not been done

[jenks]

Dude, read the whole thread, that was already explained, here it is again:

Not so, how do you explain the ships that the replicators flew in enemies and in unnatural selection? The asgard themselves said that the replicators commanded a technology beyond what they (they being the asgard) understand. I would think if there was another race in ida that was more advanced than the asgard and was conquered by the replicators, I would think the asgard would know about it. The most logical explination would be that those unidentified ships the reps have as well as the technology more advanced than that of the asgard came from somewhere else other than the asgards home galaxy. Which in turn suggests that the unknown galaxy in enemies may be where that tech was aquired from and therefore is not the asgards home galaxy. Thus the reps HAVE expanded to other galaxies.

Correction, the replicators had expanded to other galaxies, but after the 'come forth' command was activated, they all went to the Asgard home world.

[tombombadil]

three words: rebel, non-cloned asgard

[wolverine_nl]

idea: powerfull species comes to our galaxy from another galaxy (which they have saturated), with the purpose of inhabiting every planet in the galaxy with it's own species, due to the fact that they can live forever (through their own advanced science), and they also reproduce quite a lot (perhaps catholic sensibilities to reproduction?), see's humans as vermin that must be exterminated, and therefore no negotiation is possible, bioenginneer unique creature for every job that must be done, and for every environment that exists. big and scary, and as non humanoid as possible for a show like stargate

the whole vermin extermination is the only stance that hasn't been done by stargate villians

This really reminds me of GADMEER race, the sg1 episode with the terraformer. Scorched Earth

[seinfeldsg1]

Correction, the replicators had expanded to other galaxies, but after the 'come forth' command was activated, they all went to the Asgard home world.

I agree with you that the replicators spread to other galaxies but I dont agree that the come forth command got them all to come to the asgard planet. A previous poster said it best and here is what he said once again:

I think its very safe to assume that the subspace command from the andriod reece that was used could only commnad all the replicators in the ida galaxy to come forth. We have seen in stargate that no subspace link can be shared between galaxies. The ancients, ori, asurans can't so i see no reason why people are assuming replicators in other galaxies would have also come to Halla. It was a command to attract all the replicators in the Ida galaxy.

[jenks]

No subspace connection between galaxies? I'm guessing that poster missed Avalon & Origin then, and that was a connection to the furthest galaxy from Earth that we've encountered.

[mickhhh]

I agree with you that the replicators spread to other galaxies but I dont agree that the come forth command got them all to come to the asgard planet. A previous poster said it best and here is what he said once again:

I think its very safe to assume that the subspace command from the andriod reece that was used could only commnad all the replicators in the ida galaxy to come forth. We have seen in stargate that no subspace link can be shared between galaxies. The ancients, ori, asurans can't so i see no reason why people are assuming replicators in other galaxies would have also come to Halla. It was a command to attract all the replicators in the Ida galaxy.

you say a subspace link can not be sent 2 another galaxy and that the ancients, ori, asurans can't do it. it does not say this anywhere plus even if they could not the asgard might be able 2.
the asgard would have known that they were in other galaxys so if they could not send a message they would have repeated the message on a planet in these other galaxys. if the asgard made a black holes just like they did before the replicators probly would not have geting away because it was probly the human form replicators that used the time devise to escape the black hole. even if they did get away they would not have lasted long when the asgard got the new tech from o'neil

[Garth Claw]

A baddy from the Nox home galaxy, thats why the surviviors hide. (The ones we meet are the last survivors of the Nox species).

Possibily non-peaceful Nox.

[BrokenChevron]

Both the Wraith and the replicators are still a threat, and for everyone who was all behind the 'Save Elizabeth' camps, well, your wish is granted. Dr. Elizabeth Wier is now an official villain. Good job people. Just couldn't let her rest in peace. You gotta turn her into a evil nanomechanical killing machine.

[Mister Oragahn]

Dude, read the whole thread, that was already explained, here it is again:

Not so, how do you explain the ships that the replicators flew in enemies and in unnatural selection? The asgard themselves said that the replicators commanded a technology beyond what they (they being the asgard) understand. I would think if there was another race in ida that was more advanced than the asgard and was conquered by the replicators, I would think the asgard would know about it. The most logical explination would be that those unidentified ships the reps have as well as the technology more advanced than that of the asgard came from somewhere else other than the asgards home galaxy. Which in turn suggests that the unknown galaxy in enemies may be where that tech was aquired from and therefore is not the asgards home galaxy. Thus the reps HAVE expanded to other galaxies.

Or these ships were just other Asgard ships.
Or these ships were inferior ships, but still worth a penny to infest.


Now that the Ori aren't a threat, Asurans are crippled (we think so), Wraith aren't a real threat, and the Goa'uld are nothing, WHO IS THE BAD GUY!!

Perhaps for Stargate Universe, what would you want the bad guy to be?

Requirements:

Must be powerful, more powerful then Earth is.
Must seem hopeless to defeat
Must be scary in a way. The Goa'uld, Wraith, and Ori were somewhat scary. Glowing eyes, life sucking-through-hand, holy crusade w/ mind powers..



Ah, the lovely shortcomings.

Yes, I know. The Imperium of Man. Forces the Tau'ri and allies to turn their whole worlds into industrial worlds, plenty of starships for space battles ******s, and lots of bigs guns. Woopteedoo!

[Mister Oragahn]

Maybe the new "bad guy" should be us. Thor said humans were not ready for the tech advances but they would take that chance on us.

Maybe a divide amongst Earth would be the next great problem.

I can see the planet either uniting or dividing after gaining the Asgard tech.

My optimistic, rose colored glasses say we will use the technology to cure disease and the knowledge of E.T.s will stop religious conflict.

While my more cynical, think prescription lenses see a future on the brink of a third world war where China, Russia and Japan will want to the technology as well as terrorist groups who wish to use the technology to destroy the "infidels" and then use that very technology to claim to be the next son of god.

The division would ripple through the IOA, straight down into the SGC and sides would be drawn. In a measure to gain more power I can see other countries exposing the Gate and all the problems associated with it. Brow beating the US armed forces into giving up possession.

Spinning stories of just how inapt the US is to handle the situation the free world economy takes a nose dive. To stabilize the situation marshal law is declared and tensions tighten.

Eventually we humans would start enforcing our religions and laws off world and the new order begins.

The next group of underdog heroes would be "rebel" humans who didn't agree with the "new Order" and old enemies who now must become our allies--like the Goa'uld.

Sounds good to me. It would require a slight jump into the future I suppose, and a frakin crapload of smart thinking to handle such a heavy topic, with lots of geopolitics.

Rebel humans would go around in the Milky Way to change the fate of Earth, but things would be far from being black and white. There would be no real good guys, especially since the rebels might end having little ressources. That would be great. Humans against humans (low budget), high tech gear versus rag stuff.

At least, when the Asgards were there, they might have slapped us in the face for doing some stupid things, taking back the toys we got and rethink that would Fifth race promotion as preposterous after all.

[ijffdrie]

I have an idea about it being the Furlings:

This story takes place after the Ancients came to pegasus, but before the Wraith. The alliance headquarters was in Heliopolis.

The alliance of four races was once balanced; The mighty Asgard guarded the borders with their supreme battlecruisers and weaponry, giving the other races the peace they needed to work; The ingenious Alterans were the brains behind the alliance, they studied all that was found, and dreamed about what was yet to come, they provided the will to expand their limits to the other races; The illoustrous Nox took care of all that was and will be, loving nature, and thus by an extent, life itself, they provided happyness and kept the alliance from straying too far; The fourth race were the numerous Furlings, who spread life amongst the stars, they were the fuel behind the alliance.....

But one day, the day of the burning stars, the Furlings went to far in their expansion and the Nox commanded them to stop, becuase they were destroying nature. The Furlings became angry at the Nox, becuase they were like spoiled children, they had always gained what they wanted. In one thorough strike the Furlings drove the Nox back to their home planet, where the Nox lived in peace, mistrusting the other "young" races.

The Asgard were furious, and without the peacefull Nox to calm their temper, decided to destroy the Furlings. but the Furlings had found a Nox starport, containing thousands of small fighters, with which they attacked the Asgard fleet. Hundreds of Furlings were destroyed, but there was no way the Asgard could win, so their charred fleet returned to their home galaxy of Ida.

The Nox, the Asgard, and the Alterans met once more one year after the day of the burning stars, trying to decide what to do, but they were helpless becuase they required the Furlings, so they could have a populace to serve again.

Three days later the meeting was over and nothing had been decided, except that the races would search for a fourth race seperately. The Asgard decided to watch over the Milkyway humans, and placed their trust in them. The Alterans tried to create the perfect fourth race by making new, improved humans. The Nox trusted nature and waited for the fourth race.

But, once the Furlings heard of their removal from the alliance, they decided to strike against the last unscarred race of the alliance; the Alterans. At first they tried to contact the Ori, so they could recreate their ancient plague, but there embassaries were captured and through a brainscan, the secret of ascension, which the Alterans had recently discovered, was sucked from their brains, and the Ori now knew how to ascend, the topic that caused a philosophical gap in their race long ago.

Than the Furlings traveled to Pegasus, becuase they heard of a deadly creature, the Iratus bug, that sucked life out of humans. The Alterans used an dna decoder to study the bug. The Furlings killed the Alteran using the device and blended a human girl, and a pregnant bug into the fearsome wraith,which they gave a captured Nox ship so they could reproduce undetected. The Wraith later reverse engineered this Nox ship to discover how to make organic ships.

The Furlings returned to their galaxy, and spreading like rabbits, they colonized an entire cluster of galaxies. But 4 years ago, Atlantis was reactivated and a subspace message was send out to call back all ships, including the one in the possesion of the Furlings, which they had used to travel to Heliopolis. Now they have returned, seeking revenge for the alliance halting their development.

On screen:
The Furlings are tiger-like humanoids, they have claws, sharp teeth and a yellow/black fur, while walking on two feet. Their only special strength is that they can run very fast. they are technologically not very advanced, because they are still used to the Alterans giving them technology. They have no mothership (changes later in the series) but use giant swarms of small, unshielded, hyperspace capable, one-man bombers. Their army has numbers far in the billions, and does not fear to use them. The Furlings use a kind of weapon similair to the Goa'uld hand device, and the Hara'Kesh ring to attack. while the main strenght of the Furlings lies in their numbers, they are also very cunning guerilla warriors and can adapt technology very fast.

[Steve92]

1. Personally I'd like the idea of the Furlings being the new enemy either that or an Aschen "revival".

2. I haven't seen more than the first two episodes of season four but i would very much like the idea of Ronon or Elizabeth going rogue. Might not effect the new series or a possible fourth movie but would definitely bring an interesting twist to Atlantis.

3. One word, FORD.

4. The ones of you discussing the galaxy/galaxies the reps. could have colonized/conquered please do that in a separate thread.

[ijffdrie]

yeah, the thing is; the writers can only use ronon OR ford, they cant be used together as their roles are similair. so if ford returns ronon must go rogue(or die or leave)

[RepliHawk]

yeah, the thing is; the writers can only use ronon OR ford, they cant be used together as their roles are similair. so if ford returns ronon must go rogue(or die or leave)

I agree

[Locutus_Of_Borg]

I wouldn't mind something not ancient related, like, I'd like to see ancient technology but I don't want something directly related to them in their creation, like for example, the ancients visited a galaxy and colonised it etc...I'm fine with that for SG:U. But I don't want it to be like the Wraith...the ancients screwed up and created them...or the Ori...they left the Ori on bad terms...tried to brainwash everyone. Just...something different.

How about the teletubbies? evil things.

[ijffdrie]

they are both over-the-top warriors


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[wkw427]

Nice article. But TPTB won't use it because you can sue them =\