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    we know the russians got the plans for the BC-303 andthey had a 304 and some 302's so they could have worked out how to build them so where are all russia's ships??????



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    The Russians don't build them.

    While they were given the plans for the Prometheus class, I don't believe they've ever handed over the plans for the Daedalus class. In the show, the SGC (and I guess the US Government as a whole) has never given the Russians anything unless it benefited them. I can remember them being given plans for the F-302, the BC-303 but never the 304.

    Creating a series of ships based on what is now an absolute design and technology wouldn't be the best idea, especially when you consider the Russians have said they are letting the US spent billions in R&D to backwards engineer the technology for human construction. It will be easier for them to wait a few years for development cost to go down then build them. They also don't have the resources to build the ships.

    Minerals like Trinium are gather offworld and the Russians can't do that so they'd be stuck using Earth minerals to build a ship and that by itself isn't a good idea.

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      #3
      Trinium is presumably not an element so it could possibly be manufactured (confirmation from omnipedia, its a alloy in its self). but they dont have access to powersources necessary to power a 304. Their brief time with the Korolev should have been enough time for them to get the schematics. They could make one but it would be essentially grounded until they get a powersource.
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        Even with their limited time on the Korolev isn't a good indication they could built one. The ship wasn't even completed and was a rush job for the supergate fight. As a result, their time with the ship isn't worth beans in the long run.

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          Thats true but the rush job done kind of points to US involvement giving them schematics so that they can rush the construction. Thats my take on it.
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            #6
            I think it was more along the lines of the US rushing to finish it for the battle, despite the fact it was being given to the Russians.

            I don't think the Russians would have accepted an incomplete 304 when they wanted so badly.

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              #7
              Originally posted by SaberBlade View Post
              The Russians don't build them.

              While they were given the plans for the Prometheus class, I don't believe they've ever handed over the plans for the Daedalus class. In the show, the SGC (and I guess the US Government as a whole) has never given the Russians anything unless it benefited them. I can remember them being given plans for the F-302, the BC-303 but never the 304.

              Creating a series of ships based on what is now an absolute design and technology wouldn't be the best idea, especially when you consider the Russians have said they are letting the US spent billions in R&D to backwards engineer the technology for human construction. It will be easier for them to wait a few years for development cost to go down then build them. They also don't have the resources to build the ships.

              Minerals like Trinium are gather offworld and the Russians can't do that so they'd be stuck using Earth minerals to build a ship and that by itself isn't a good idea.

              i dont think there would be anythink wrong with building a ship from titanium instead of trinium. it wouldnt be as strong but with a shield it could last in a fight. and whats wrong with building a 303, its better than nothing. also it would benifit the USA coz the more ships earth has the better



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                Originally posted by jonos101 View Post
                i dont think there would be anythink wrong with building a ship from titanium instead of trinium. it wouldnt be as strong but with a shield it could last in a fight. and whats wrong with building a 303, its better than nothing. also it would benifit the USA coz the more ships earth has the better
                well I don't really think the Russians care about what could benefit the USA.

                The problem with using a 303 is the fact that all the newer and advanced technologies used on the 304 were never developed with the Prometheus in mind. It's essentially a human version of a Goa'uld ship while the 304 contains the best Asgard shields and engines that were available to us before 'Unending' and now after 'Unending' it's been upgraded even further to contain the best the Asgard could give us at level of understanding.

                I think in a way that comparing the 303 to a 304 is like comparing a Spitfire to an F-22. They may do the same thing on a basic level but they are far different.

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                  #9
                  It's a bit strange that the Russians and the other countries don't want more technologies from the SGC. The gate in the SGC is a russian gate so I think the Russians could get a lot more thing than they had got in the past.

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                    Originally posted by HunGripen View Post
                    It's a bit strange that the Russians and the other countries don't want more technologies from the SGC. The gate in the SGC is a russian gate so I think the Russians could get a lot more thing than they had got in the past.
                    The thing is, that atm despite the Americans renting the gate from the Russians the Russians have absolutely no leverage over the SGC. This is because they could simply fly a 304 to an unpopulated world, beam up both the DHD and the gate then return home. Beaming the Russian's gate into the center of Moscow with a "**** you" note pinned to it in the process.

                    I suspect that at the moment the only reason the SGC is still renting the gate is to keep Russian co-operation in international politics. Or in real life terms, because the writers haven't been bothered to deal with it yet.

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                      #11
                      We know the Russians have the schematics to the X304 so they really should have built more than one of them in the space of 3 years. WW2 has proven that the Russians have one of the strongest manufactuing capabilities in the world so if the stargate universe was real the Russians may have even built more X304's than the Americans.

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                        #12
                        Even if the SGC got a second stargate and a DHD, that wouldn't stop the Chinese wanting the Russian gate (which is how they got the Korolev in the first place). The SGC having a DHD would stop them from returning through the Russian gate but the should still be able to leave through it. It opens the risk of the Chinese/Russians (rogue or not) being able to reclaim all the technology Maybourne's unit stole now that the Tollan and the Asgard are no longer around.

                        If anything, that would help the Russians get what they want from the US Government in relation to new technologies, money, or ships.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by SaberBlade View Post
                          Even if the SGC got a second stargate and a DHD, that wouldn't stop the Chinese wanting the Russian gate (which is how they got the Korolev in the first place). The SGC having a DHD would stop them from returning through the Russian gate but the should still be able to leave through it. It opens the risk of the Chinese/Russians (rogue or not) being able to reclaim all the technology Maybourne's unit stole now that the Tollan and the Asgard are no longer around.

                          If anything, that would help the Russians get what they want from the US Government in relation to new technologies, money, or ships.
                          This is probably the only reason the US is still renting the gate from the Russians when it would be so easy to get their own from another planet. As long as the SGC has the Russian gate, no one else will be using it.
                          I'd say that removing the risk of some inexperienced team going off world and bringing god knows what back to Earth is worth whatever the US are paying the Russians for the Stargate.

                          The Russians won't build a 303 when they know it is obsolete technology and not having the resources to build their own 304s (even if they did have the plans, which they haven't) is probably the reason they wanted the Korolev in the first place.
                          Having their own ship would enable them to ferry materials to and from manufacturing facilities on Earth. I think they'll wait until they have another opportunity to scab a 304 from the US and then they will begin building their own ships.

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                            #14
                            IMO The reason for the Russians not building 304s or mining offworld or doing much gate-stuff is very simple, it costs time, money, lives, training and specialists for those activities, all of which can be used on Russia's own projects, they get all the benifits of the SGC through the IOA without putting much in and if they were doing the work then they would have to share the benifits with everyone else free of charge.

                            To put it simply:
                            Why put the effort into researching something for yourself when you can get someone else to do it for free.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Splitsecond View Post
                              IMO The reason for the Russians not building 304s or mining offworld or doing much gate-stuff is very simple, it costs time, money, lives, training and specialists for those activities, all of which can be used on Russia's own projects, they get all the benifits of the SGC through the IOA without putting much in and if they were doing the work then they would have to share the benifits with everyone else free of charge.

                              To put it simply:
                              Why put the effort into researching something for yourself when you can get someone else to do it for free.
                              1.Because one day maybe they have to build their own.
                              2.It's much better to understand the technology than only have it.
                              3.They could use these new technologies in other projects
                              4.They only get one ship from the americans

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