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mroscoe
December 9th, 2007, 03:27 PM
How does replica-Weir :weir: know that the replicators are destroying the human worlds? Our guys only got the information recently. Replica-Weir's information should be limited to end of season 3.

Besides, why don't they provide the scientists (:mckay:) some real super computers? They need better computers apparently they are trying the solve their problems using 3 puny notebook computers at once.

jelgate
December 9th, 2007, 03:57 PM
I am sick and tired of people calling every little missing detail a plot hole. If we list every detail than there is no room to advance the story

PG15
December 9th, 2007, 03:57 PM
Try lugging a supercomputer around.

Yeah, thought so.

mroscoe
December 9th, 2007, 04:02 PM
Well I dont see them running simulations on three laptops off-world.

Story advancement is a poor excuse for poor writing.

Whatever, it is just a TV show.

PG15
December 9th, 2007, 04:11 PM
What does writing have to do with supercomputer props?

Seriously, these laptops can be plugged into Ori ships and Lantian databases and work fine; obviously they're a lot more advanced than your average laptop.

jelgate
December 9th, 2007, 04:13 PM
What does writing have to do with supercomputer props?Seriously, these laptops can be plugged into Ori ships and Lantian databases and work fine; obviously they're a lot more advanced than your average laptop.He/she was talking to me. I think certain fans are to quick to call something a plot hole.

mroscoe
December 9th, 2007, 04:26 PM
Well I know, most of these are minor things, and I dont want to get into a discussion over these. But the lack of attention to detail, adds up. I have been watching this show for a while and these kind of things happen often.

Besides, the laptops they use look a lot like my Dell laptop at home. ;)

Just to clarify my previous post:
In real world, most scientist use laptops for trips or presentations. (Which supports your argument on about usage on alien ships etc.) And in real world, computer clusters are used for solving computation intensive problems, like some problems they have in Atlantis. They could have solved the interface problem with the ship tracking equipment at the end of this show in minutes rather hours.

PG15
December 9th, 2007, 04:36 PM
Besides, the laptops they use look a lot like my Dell laptop at home. ;)

Appearances can be deceiving. :p


Just to clarify my previous post:
In real world, most scientist use laptops for trips or presentations. (Which supports your argument on about usage on alien ships etc.) And in real world, computer clusters are used for solving computation intensive problems, like some problems they have in Atlantis. They could have solved the interface problem with the ship tracking equipment at the end of this show in minutes rather hours.


But you can't possibly know that. For all we know there were alien tech imbedded within the laptop that makes it as good as any normal supercomputer on Earth. It's not a lack of attention to detail, it's using your head to figure out that there is nothing wrong there at all if you just use a little imagination.

Agent_Dark
December 9th, 2007, 04:39 PM
laptops interface with a central computer, whivh does all teh beefy stuff. also makes a good dedicated box for hosting a game server.

Mitchell82
December 9th, 2007, 06:30 PM
How does replica-Weir :weir: know that the replicators are destroying the human worlds? Our guys only got the information recently. Replica-Weir's information should be limited to end of season 3.
Uh RepliKeller told her.

Major_Griff
December 9th, 2007, 11:39 PM
Uh RepliKeller told her.

Thank you I can't believe no one said that right off the bat! RepliKeller told RepliWeir. I swear half of these plot hole threads are just people who don't pay attention because they want something to hate about the show.

Ripple in Space
December 9th, 2007, 11:51 PM
How does replica-Weir :weir: know that the replicators are destroying the human worlds? Our guys only got the information recently. Replica-Weir's information should be limited to end of season 3.

Besides, why don't they provide the scientists (:mckay:) some real super computers? They need better computers apparently they are trying the solve their problems using 3 puny notebook computers at once.

"Replica-Weir," lol, that's clever.

Plot hole? How, where? I think you just need to re-watch the ep. And for complicated computer tasks, they interface with crystal-based systems of human, Lantean, Asgard, Goa'uld, or Tok'ra design. Based on what we've seen, crystal based tech outranks real supercomputers.

spinspinspin
December 10th, 2007, 02:02 AM
Just to clarify my previous post:
In real world, most scientist use laptops for trips or presentations. (Which supports your argument on about usage on alien ships etc.) And in real world, computer clusters are used for solving computation intensive problems, like some problems they have in Atlantis. They could have solved the interface problem with the ship tracking equipment at the end of this show in minutes rather hours.


In the real world, scientists can also use laptops as an interface to a computer cluster (ie. a workstation). Like someone else said, those laptops are likely to be connected to all those blinky light thingys in the background.

wm_1987
December 10th, 2007, 09:12 PM
Uh RepliKeller told her.


KELLER: The others have given up on ascension. They're destroying human populations throughout the galaxy as a tactic in their war with the Wraith. They're consumed with hatred and revenge. We believe there is another path.

In case anyone wanted to see the quote.

Avenger
December 11th, 2007, 12:04 AM
These kinds of threads are getting really old.

jenks
December 11th, 2007, 02:08 AM
I still don't understand why RepliKeller wasn't out killing Wraith...

Jumper_One
December 11th, 2007, 09:09 AM
I still don't understand why RepliKeller wasn't out killing Wraith...

because RepliKeller doesn't care about the war, she wants to learn how to ascend

jenks
December 11th, 2007, 01:40 PM
because RepliKeller doesn't care about the war, she wants to learn how to ascend

She doesn't have a choice in the matter though, the attack command has been reactivated.

PG15
December 11th, 2007, 01:51 PM
I think the message the show is trying to tell us is that the Asurans are much more than just nanite composits. They have sentience, and thus can do things not programmed into them and perhaps twist their commands. I.e. Maybe these replicators somehow reasoned that Ascension will lead to the destruction of the Wraith. There are loopholes all over the place.

Avenger
December 11th, 2007, 02:22 PM
I believe seeking ascension takes a greater president than fighting the Wraith. The Asurans were going to fight the Wraith eventually before we got involved anyway.

Mitchell82
December 15th, 2007, 12:12 PM
I think the message the show is trying to tell us is that the Asurans are much more than just nanite composits. They have sentience, and thus can do things not programmed into them and perhaps twist their commands. I.e. Maybe these replicators somehow reasoned that Ascension will lead to the destruction of the Wraith. There are loopholes all over the place.

They are not as simple as we once thought. Which is one reason I like them more than the MW replicators. They have more than one agenda.

Why Carson? Why?
December 15th, 2007, 05:52 PM
How does replica-Weir :weir: know that the replicators are destroying the human worlds? Our guys only got the information recently. Replica-Weir's information should be limited to end of season 3.


They quite easily could've downloaded the information into her it really wouldnt be that hard.

Jumper_One
December 15th, 2007, 05:57 PM
They quite easily could've downloaded the information into her it really wouldnt be that hard.

true but incorrect in this case since it was RepliKeller who mentioned it ;)
KELLER: The others have given up on ascension. They’re destroying human populations throughout the galaxy as a tactic in their war with the Wraith. They’re consumed with hatred and revenge. We believe there is another path.
WEIR: Why are you telling me all this?

Why Carson? Why?
December 15th, 2007, 06:00 PM
true but incorrect in this case since it was RepliKeller who mentioned it ;)

lol yeah very good point

Why Carson? Why?
December 15th, 2007, 06:16 PM
Sick to death seriously sick to death of people just complaining about 1 after another i too have been with it since day one and it just anoys me how people can constantly just nit pick at every single little detail "oh but were fans were aloud to nit pick"... if your a fan you'd just sit back and enjoy the episode.

Jumper_One
December 15th, 2007, 06:40 PM
Sick to death seriously sick to death of people just complaining about 1 after another i too have been with it since day one and it just anoys me how people can constantly just nit pick at every single little detail "oh but were fans were aloud to nit pick"... if your a fan you'd just sit back and enjoy the episode.

dude there's nothing wrong with asking questions! if people annoy you with their 'constant nitpicking don't read those threads and posts. and please don't try to continue your thread that was rightfully closed in here ;)

Lord You
December 15th, 2007, 06:45 PM
How does replica-Weir :weir: know that the replicators are destroying the human worlds? Our guys only got the information recently. Replica-Weir's information should be limited to end of season 3.

Besides, why don't they provide the scientists (:mckay:) some real super computers? They need better computers apparently they are trying the solve their problems using 3 puny notebook computers at once.
The duplicate team was carried to Asuria by the Replicator's Aurora before they left for Athos. Since they have nanites in their blood too, the duplicate team could probably interfact with the Asurian network the same as the original Weir. If all they did was observe, they might not be spotted.

MIZA
December 15th, 2007, 06:46 PM
question why is the episode called "this mortal coil"?

x303
December 16th, 2007, 12:31 PM
I believe seeking ascension takes a greater president than fighting the Wraith. The Asurans were going to fight the Wraith eventually before we got involved anyway.

yeah didnt these replicators manage to isolate themselves from the collective, so they're like that nium replicator that infected weir with nanites wen he was taken over.

so the command may not have been activated.

i agree that stupid nitpicking like how can a notebook dell computer interface alien tech blah blah blah. use ur imagination they're not gunna b regualr computers like someone said, crystal base i mean c'mon if in the show they can build a spaceship with intergalaxy hyperspace drives im pretty sure they'll b usin the most advanced computers they can make to help save the world and galaxy

the only real plot hole is why does everyone speak english!

the reason why this show is good is considering its scope, age, complexity its has minimal plot holes all is quantified, linked and explained to a good degree. they do however phase things out like in the beginning when the came out of the stargate they were cold!

The Maneuver
December 16th, 2007, 03:23 PM
question why is the episode called "this mortal coil"?

From William Shakespeare, "Hamlet" Act 3 Scene 1

(Placed in spoiler tags for space)

To be or not to be, that is the question;
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing, end them. To die, to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to — 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep, perchance to dream. Ay, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life,
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th'unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.-- Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remember'd.

Jumper_One
December 16th, 2007, 03:39 PM
From William Shakespeare, "Hamlet" Act 3 Scene 1

(Placed in spoiler tags for space)

To be or not to be, that is the question;
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing, end them. To die, to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to — 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep, perchance to dream. Ay, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life,
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th'unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.-- Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remember'd.


:eek: WOW! I never would've guessed those eps names came from Hamlet

thanx The Maneuver :)

Mitchell82
December 18th, 2007, 08:13 PM
From William Shakespeare, "Hamlet" Act 3 Scene 1

(Placed in spoiler tags for space)

To be or not to be, that is the question;
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing, end them. To die, to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to — 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep, perchance to dream. Ay, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life,
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th'unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.-- Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remember'd.


Did you remember that or look it up? I knew they came from there but i can barely remember the first part of that speech. High school was along time ago.;)

Shirt'n'Tie
December 19th, 2007, 01:41 AM
Hi All,

First time on this thread! Love the conversation re: This Mortal Coil. I agree with the view that nit-picking can be irritating (....but fun!) and occasionally it can lead to some more subtle points within a drama.
I watched This Mortal Coil just once last week, when it aired on Sky One here in Europe. One thing puzzled me:
When the REAL SGA team arrived home, Rodney has a little heart to heart with Zalenka, saying "It's like Carson all over again"....In that scene Rodney is wearing the "old" uniform!!! Suddenly my devious mind thought....Mmmm perhaps Repli-Rodney had sneaked back with the REAL team???
Any-hoo before the Conspiracy Theorists start....It was a continuity error!!! I asked Mr Mallozzi on this blog and he said so, although it would have been a neat little slight of hand for very very eagle-eyed SGA fans....I only noticed coz I like the new leather jackets!!!

Talk soon!!

S'n'T

PS Hi there PG15, I see you over at the JM Blog.....Are you going to Vancouver Con in 08?

Agent_Dark
December 19th, 2007, 02:19 AM
he's wearing the new style one at the end...

Mitchell82
December 19th, 2007, 09:26 AM
he's wearing the new style one at the end...

Yeah it was just a slip up I think.

PG15
December 19th, 2007, 10:19 AM
PS Hi there PG15, I see you over at the JM Blog.....Are you going to Vancouver Con in 08?


Hey! It's cool to see another blog regular around here!

Alas, I got neither the money nor the time for a convention, so I'll just have to enjoy it from the sidelines (literally; if you mean the Creation Con, then it's probably happening about a 5 minute walk away from my house).

Mitchell82
December 19th, 2007, 05:38 PM
Hey! It's cool to see another blog regular around here!

Alas, I got neither the money nor the time for a convention, so I'll just have to enjoy it from the sidelines (literally; if you mean the Creation Con, then it's probably happening about a 5 minute walk away from my house).

I'd love to go too but the price is $367 american dollars per person. Too rich for me.