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Daniel Jackson
December 8th, 2007, 09:47 AM
Assuming the original Weir is dead and then Weir 2.0 died in the Jumper crash... is she really dead? If she can be dead, yet recreated for the rebellious Asurans's experiment... that means that everything that Weir was has been stored in the Asuran database, right? What if Weir manages to learn about the events of "This Mortal Coil" and somehow recreate herself, grab a Jumper, and fly away to safey?

sueKay
December 8th, 2007, 09:54 AM
I think Weir 2.0 is still alive

And yeah...I think the real Weir (her consciousness) is either in Weir 2.0 or floating about in the Asuran database

Daniel Jackson
December 8th, 2007, 09:57 AM
I doubt the clone team is alive. They would have been executed by the Asurans there and then, it just wasn't necessary to show it. I like the idea of Weir being dead in body, but her mind floating around the Asuran database, and Oberoth being unable to delete her. This would leave the door open for an awesome return.

sueKay
December 8th, 2007, 10:02 AM
I think the clones would probably be killed, except for Elizabeth, simply because I think since Weir broke down Oberoth's mental defences, that he'd like to get his own back without her being able to connect to the collective...I think he'd keep Weir 2.0 to torture her for his own amusement because he's a rather resentful being

Daniel Jackson
December 8th, 2007, 12:03 PM
Weir 2.0 died in the Jumper crash. Why would he bring her back to life when she'd be a security risk? :confused:

P-90_177
December 8th, 2007, 12:06 PM
why would she be a security risk now? There was no indication that any of the team had control of the nanites in their bodies. just like jeanie and wallaces daughter in millers crossing.

Daniel Jackson
December 8th, 2007, 12:13 PM
Oh, I forgot about that part. Still, why resurrect her just to torture her? If he wanted to torture her, he wouldn't have killed her in the first place.

IcyNeko
December 8th, 2007, 12:16 PM
How could she be dead? Or any of the other members of the team for that fact?

Let's get real here. Human replicator nanites (Miller's Crossing) were able to heal cancer and revive a girl from the dead. And Human nanites are not all that effective or efficient.

Replicator-created nanites are much, much more effective, and unlike Miller's crossing, each repliclone had billions of them in their bodies. So the chances of healing brunt force trauma are a lot higher to the point of almost being a certainty.

Healing cuts and scrapes is easy. And if inefficient nanites can cure cancer, which is a lot more difficult, trauma's a cinch. Cancer requires almost an RNA-level re-encoding to tell cells to stop growing out of control. Broken bones and severed nerves only require to rebuild on an existing set of blueprints.

The Repliclones are alive. :P

Daniel Jackson
December 8th, 2007, 12:25 PM
How could she be dead? Or any of the other members of the team for that fact?
There were four bodies on the floor with blood everywhere. While nanites can heal damaged tissue, they can't bring back the dead. The damage would have been too extensive. The only one who survived was Sheppard, but he was shot by an Asuran soldier. They're all dead.


Let's get real here. Human replicator nanites (Miller's Crossing) were able to heal cancer and revive a girl from the dead. And Human nanites are not all that effective or efficient.
The girl didn't die, her heart stopped and restarted a few minutes later. Repairing damaged tissue is one thing, repairing a body that's been violently smacked around a metal box after it smashes into the ground with great force is another. The damaged would be too extensive. The organs would be mush.


Replicator-created nanites are much, much more effective, and unlike Miller's crossing, each repliclone had billions of them in their bodies. So the chances of healing brunt force trauma are a lot higher to the point of almost being a certainty.
We don't know that much about Asuran nanites. You're making some vast assumptions based on little information.


Healing cuts and scrapes is easy. And if inefficient nanites can cure cancer, which is a lot more difficult, trauma's a cinch. Cancer requires almost an RNA-level re-encoding to tell cells to stop growing out of control. Broken bones and severed nerves only require to rebuild on an existing set of blueprints.
I'm not saying it's impossible for them to survive the crash. After all, Sheppard survived. I'm just saying that it is extremely unlikely. Asuran nanites may be powerful, but they are not all powerful.


The Repliclones are alive. :P
The survivors were shot, so.... no.

IcyNeko
December 8th, 2007, 12:34 PM
You never learn, do you? From the terminator threads to this one, you're still talking as if you know. Oh well, let's reply.


There were four bodies on the floor with blood everywhere. While nanites can heal damaged tissue, they can't bring back the dead.
The girl died. Her heart stopped. That's a text book definition of dying.


Repairing damaged tissue is one thing, repairing a body that's been violently smacked around a metal box after it smashes into the ground with great force is another. The damaged would be too extensive. The organs would be mush. And healing Weir's injuries from the replicator attack on Atlantis was? ohhh right, the same thing. Right. yeah, guess you're ever so right on that one! Especially since Weir(v1) had less nanites working to heal her than Weir(v2). Keep talking, mister nobel in science. This is awesome.


We don't know that much about Asuran nanites. You're making some vast assumptions based on little information.
If by little assumptions you mean "episodes containing nanites and Stargate Atlantis". That's pretty little when compared to 10 seasons of SG1 or the other 2.5 seasons of SG:A. yeah, little.


I'm not saying it's impossible for them to survive the crash. After all, Sheppard survived. I'm just saying that it is extremely unlikely. Asuran nanites may be powerful, but they are not all powerful.
Only a few nanites survived the ancients' attack on Asuras, and it managed to recreate the entire Asuran "race", and even expand upon it. And the ones in the repliclones were built to HEAL them specifically.

Not all powerful? You're right. If they were any more powerful, Weir would be revived and flying back to Atlantis with a magical unicorn with rainbows and butterflies, singing praises to your great posting. Way to go, Ace.


The survivors were shot, so.... no.
Only Sheppard was shot, and there's no telling just how much damage that would do. They've never shown a replicator weapon doing anything other than stun.

Briangate78
December 8th, 2007, 01:36 PM
The original Weir is not dead. Repli-keller was misinformed by Oberoth who was keeping them out of the loop.

Daniel Jackson
December 8th, 2007, 03:02 PM
Where did you come across this information?

s09119
December 8th, 2007, 03:10 PM
The original Weir is not dead. Repli-keller was misinformed by Oberoth who was keeping them out of the loop.

Oh, I hope you're right... that would be great.

Briangate78
December 8th, 2007, 03:16 PM
Where did you come across this information?

The same person that told me Carson will likely return next season...... me! ;) :p LOL, sorry. I was just guessing there.

I'd just wait and see. She has one more episode this season. If this last episode is nothing at all to show her character being open, then I'll have to join the rest and say that's it for Weir, R.I.P! :( :( . I'm still holding out on this last episode and will keep hope until I see it.

P2J
December 8th, 2007, 03:17 PM
maybe earth could clone the real weir using the asgard tech :D

Agent_Dark
December 8th, 2007, 04:55 PM
hopefully weir (the real one) will return as a zombie as part of micheal's army. that would be cool.

prion
December 8th, 2007, 07:06 PM
The original Weir is not dead. Repli-keller was misinformed by Oberoth who was keeping them out of the loop.

There is that, or Weir is dead. We won't know until Weir shows up again.

Briangate78
December 8th, 2007, 07:55 PM
There is that, or Weir is dead. We won't know until Weir shows up again.

I still have hope for this last episode. We know it cannot be...

BAMSR, or Spoils of War or even Outcast, why would they engineer a replicator(real replicator, not flesh and blood) to look like Weir? Something might happen where Sheppard and Co will find about Weir. If the writers were really good, they would throw us for a loop and make Weir appear in the season finale, hence "Search and Rescue" for the Season 5 premiere!

It just makes me laugh. Weir has been in 3 eps for the first season, yet the whole entire first half of the season has seem to mention her in almost every ep or at least what happened around her influenced the season. It's amazing what one character can do when she is not even in every ep.

PG15
December 8th, 2007, 08:15 PM
I'm of the same mind, actually.

I can imagine our team once again ending up on the Replicator homeworld, and just as they are about to die, or something, every Replicator freezes again. They later find out that Weir's consciousness has been floating around the Replicator Collective for the past whatever months, and has been slowly learning how to make everything work. The story really writes itself from there on.

It's kinda like what Thor did in "Descent", but hey, if it makes for a good story and the return of Real-Weir, then screw originality.

jelgate
December 8th, 2007, 08:22 PM
I'm of the same mind, actually.

I can imagine our team once again ending up on the Replicator homeworld, and just as they are about to die, or something, every Replicator freezes again. They later find out that Weir's consciousness has been floating around the Replicator Collective for the past whatever months, and has been slowly learning how to make everything work. The story really writes itself from there on.

It's kinda like what Thor did in "Descent", but hey, if it makes for a good story and the return of Real-Weir, then screw originality.
TPTB can't do that. It will just be the writers ripping off another SG-1 episode (end sarcasm)

Briangate78
December 8th, 2007, 08:24 PM
I'm of the same mind, actually.

I can imagine our team once again ending up on the Replicator homeworld, and just as they are about to die, or something, every Replicator freezes again. They later find out that Weir's consciousness has been floating around the Replicator Collective for the past whatever months, and has been slowly learning how to make everything work. The story really writes itself from there on.

It's kinda like what Thor did in "Descent", but hey, if it makes for a good story and the return of Real-Weir, then screw originality.

I just don't think Joe and company would end Weir's fate like this. I thought her character would be left wide-open, ya know? It would be interesting if Weir did appear in the premiere, mid-season, and then the finale. Talk about spreading out her role! I think we are up for a surprise. Anyway, still happy with the season. But still am keeping hope for Weir. :)

BTW, I like that idea. I also don't mind them taking SG-1 stories and working with them. Hmmm re-inventing, worked for the mini-series "Tin Man" Plus it's their own work they are re-inventing from. I think it's great. I loved SG-1 and I love SGA.