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P2J
December 7th, 2007, 07:04 PM
We found out that ....the real weir might be dead :( and i'm assuming her replaclone was killed too....

so do you think we have seen the last of weir ???

garhkal
December 7th, 2007, 07:08 PM
Nope. We saw Repli-john get up after the crashing of the jumper, so it is a safe bet the others might have survived.

the fifth man
December 7th, 2007, 07:13 PM
This is Science Fiction. No one's ever really dead for sure.

McKayManiacs92
December 7th, 2007, 07:14 PM
But I thought because the replicator shot him so he must have "died" in replicatior terms...and I assumed that was going to happen with the rest in the jumper....including Weir.

I was not happy when I watched the scene with Keller and Weir and that info came up! It was just too simple of a ending for such a great character!!!!

Vala_M
December 7th, 2007, 07:55 PM
I was hoping that the copy of Sheppard was going to beat the crap out of the Asurans who invaded the crashed jumper, it looks like we're dead, but yeah, the door is open for them to return, although, if they were going to go back to Atlantis, they'd have to get an EM pulse to kill the nanites. Plus, can 3 Asurans really take out 5 nanite-enhanced humans?

Vala,

captain jake
December 7th, 2007, 09:52 PM
This is Science Fiction. No one's ever really dead for sure.

He makes an excellent point even if both weirs died. Who is to say that the replicators wouldn't just make another one.

Atlanis
December 8th, 2007, 12:07 AM
I soupose so, eather that or replacator keller didn't know any better and think about it, it doesn't mean that Weir might not come back sure she's dead but whos' to say there arn't anymore asseassion-hungry replacators out there

2ndgenerationalteran
December 8th, 2007, 01:05 AM
But I thought because the replicator shot him so he must have "died" in replicatior terms...and I assumed that was going to happen with the rest in the jumper....including Weir.
Pretty sure they were just stunned, the only setting we have seen that weapon having is a stun setting. And the Asurans thought that it was the human team from Atlantis, so they would have wanted to take them alive to be probed to find Atlantis' new location so they can finish destroying it.


Plus, can 3 Asurans really take out 5 nanite-enhanced humans?

well flesh and blood with a tolerance for pain fighting with a killing machine that doesn't tire or feel pain. They wouldn't have stood a chance.

JSPuddlejumper
December 8th, 2007, 04:48 AM
Yeah, they are DOA. How can you fight against T-1000 machines that adapt to all tech you throw at them?

Crazy Tom
December 8th, 2007, 05:55 AM
Yeah, they are DOA. How can you fight against T-1000 machines that adapt to all tech you throw at them?

boiling metal:D

andromeda_dan
December 8th, 2007, 07:07 AM
The scene where the replicator executed Repli-John was taken at John's point of view, so it didnt real portray a death scene, but the replicators have instructions to destroy all rebel replicators, then it maybe assume that Repli-John was killed. But the way the scene was shot just leave a little back door for a possible return of Repli-John and his supposed execution maybe explain away as being stunned by the replicator.

...plus when the replicator saw Repli-John healing so quickly, the replicator may have stun him and the rest to be taken back to the Asuran homeworld for study and interrogation.

Teelie
December 8th, 2007, 08:09 AM
And no way to know whether the true Weir was killed or that was false information to be fed back to the true Atlantis crew.

SierraGolf-OneNiner
December 8th, 2007, 09:15 AM
And no way to know whether the true Weir was killed or that was false information to be fed back to the true Atlantis crew.

I agree. They were fed disinformation. Seeing as the rebel replicators under Repli-Kellers command were disonnected from the hive-mind or link (not sure how to call it) Oberoth could have used it to his advantage. It also seems to be a good way to break real Elisabeth's defenses. He will tell her about how he wiped out the rebels and what they were doing and that the rebels were disinformed about her being killed. She knows that if there was another version of her that that version would somehow manage to get in contact with Atlantis and tell them about it.

Agent_Dark
December 8th, 2007, 03:56 PM
shes dead jim

PG15
December 8th, 2007, 07:10 PM
I refuse to believe that she is dead.

jelgate
December 8th, 2007, 07:25 PM
I refuse to believe that she is dead.I second that especialy becauseTH is contracted for another episode

Briangate78
December 8th, 2007, 07:52 PM
Never say Never in the Stargate Universe. We did not see the real Weir die or dead. A word of a replicator? PUH-LEEZE! ;)

andromeda_dan
December 8th, 2007, 07:55 PM
I second that especialy becauseTH is contracted for another episode

..and there's that little thingy called a contract to consider why TH will be back..:jack:

doylefan22
December 9th, 2007, 02:43 AM
This is Science Fiction. No one's ever really dead for sure.

Especially when they allegedly die off screen and you're told by an enemy.

MechaThor
December 9th, 2007, 03:08 AM
Especially when they allegedly die off screen and you're told by an enemy.

Maybe what we did not see was the replicator gun not work on John? Maybe the nantie part absorded the blast like the MW replicators. Or if he was shot with an anti Replicator version of the gun, Maybe Johns Human side stopped the effects.

Anways if that episode was the Atlantis version of "Tin Man" I am sure we will get the "Doouble Jeopardy" version down the line.

PG15
December 9th, 2007, 04:33 PM
This exerpt from Joe Mallozzi's blog should answer/raise a few questions...


Many interesting little revelations in this sequence of scenes, not the least of which concerns the ultimate fate of Elizabeth Weir. We learn from Repli-Keller that Weir is dead, killed by Oberoth because she exerted an unhealthy influence on the collective. Sad news that, from a series perspective, allows Sheppard and co. some closure on the issue and finally puts to rest any hopes of a rescue mission. On the other hand, can Repli-Keller be trusted? Is what she revealing the sad facts as she knows them, or is this an attempt by her to forestall any potential rescue attempt that would rob them of the precious template that has allowed them to create humanity? Is Elizabeth Weir really dead? Well, it depends on which producer you ask.

http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2007/12/december-8-2007.html

Briangate78
December 9th, 2007, 04:50 PM
Thanks PG15 for that. It's what I've been saying Repli-Keller could be saying that or she herself was mis-informed by Oberoth. Also, weren't they also seperated from the core so they could not be reset? They may have lost the ability to learn new info, like the real Weir being alive.

Mitchell82
December 9th, 2007, 06:25 PM
shes dead jim

Maybey she is maybe she isn't we have no idea.

ToasterOnFire
December 9th, 2007, 07:04 PM
I commented about Joe M's statement on LJ, but it's worth restating it here:


On the other hand, can Repli-Keller be trusted? Is what she revealing the sad facts as she knows them, or is this an attempt by her to forestall any potential rescue attempt that would rob them of the precious template that has allowed them to create humanity?
Except why would repli!Keller assume that repli!Weir would encounter the real team to deliver word of real!Elizabeth's fate? Repli!Weir was part of a contained experiment on a fake Atlantis. The replicators were going to study her and the fake team until Oberoth blew up the city, and then repeat the experiment somewhere else. They were never going to get anywhere near the real team - the replicators didn't even know where the real team was.

Nah, not buying Joe's explanation. I'm not saying that repli!Keller's statement was the truth, but I'm not buying his reason for why she would lie.


Is Elizabeth Weir really dead? Well, it depends on which producer you ask.
That...doesn't seem like a very unified PTB does it? And over something as significant as the fate of a main character too... :S

Briangate78
December 9th, 2007, 07:16 PM
I commented about Joe M's statement on LJ, but it's worth restating it here:


Except why would repli!Keller assume that repli!Weir would encounter the real team to deliver word of real!Elizabeth's fate? Repli!Weir was part of a contained experiment on a fake Atlantis. The replicators were going to study her and the fake team until Oberoth blew up the city, and then repeat the experiment somewhere else. They were never going to get anywhere near the real team - the replicators didn't even know where the real team was.

Nah, not buying Joe's explanation. I'm not saying that repli!Keller's statement was the truth, but I'm not buying his reason for why she would lie.


That...doesn't seem like a very unified PTB does it? And over something as significant as the fate of a main character too... :S


Actually, I see it as an opening for her character. Can she be dead, maybe or maybe not. When she pops up again which I know she will, the viewer will know that Repli-Keller was lying or had the wrong info. I believe Oberoth knew what they were up to and forwarded false info to the rebel Replicators about the real Weir.