Ancients, Wraith ships downgraded?

[JSPuddlejumper]

Why are Ancient shields weaker than Ori or Asgard? Why don't the Wraith ships have shields?

Answer: Then Earth battlecruisers would be DOA (dead on arrival, since railguns are ineffective against mothership shields) against Hives.

It is hard to believe that Hives ships such as this can destroy Ancient warships.

Thus Ancient ships were downgraded: Weaker shields and no lasers.

That is also the reason why the Asuran ship was weak (it did no damage we can see against the Apollo). How else can downgraded Hives and cruisers fight against the Asurans?

Conclusion: All this mediocrity was necessary because of the inherent weakness of Earth ship weapons.

The writers could have gotten around this by not destroying powerful allies of Earth: Asgard, Tollans and To'kra. God forbid if other species aside from humans did any damage against a powerful enemy. And sharing tech with Earth? Almost no way. Just to keep Earth the enormous underdogs who miraculously win always.

Realistically, SGC/Earth beating the G'ould is akin to the Roman Army beating the US army of the 21st century. Let's not mention the Ori, Replicators or Wraith.

[kirmit]

If the ancient ships were anymore powerful then no matter what the Wraith threw at them they'd survive. I like the current levels, makes it more believable the wraith were able to overcome them. Think about it, hives, big and powerful but no shields and terribly slow, ancient ships, fast, manouverable, powerful weapons (drones) and moderate shields. With these moderate shields they can flying about avoiding wraith fire and getting a few devasting hits in at the hives but because their shields aren't Ori level they eventually get overcome. The ship in 'Travellers' was stationary, just sitting there, had it been flying about and actually attacking the cruiser the cruiser wouldn't have lasted 5 seconds, just my thoughts anyway.

[JSPuddlejumper]

The Wraith firepower is devastating, it looks like ion cannon fire, and the Hives have great many of these cannons.

Now if the Wraith ships had say powerful shields (Asgard level or just below) then even if Ancients ships were as powerful as the Ori, vastly superior numbers of the Wraith would take them down.

It just does not make any sense why Ancients shields on their regular ships would be this weak. They should have Ori like shield strength.

Even if the Ancients were completely caught off guard, and they had to hastily build ships, one would think they would do a better job eventually.

In essence, in order for Earth ships survive Hives, the Hives were downgraded, in order for Hives to beat Ancient ships, Ancient ships were downgraded.

[Alendra]

Well, the first fight of the Wraith was against Ancients, that had Drones.
So maybe the Wraith preferred to get more energy to get devastating weapons instead of having limited shields, so they do huuuuuge ships, with their organic design they can whistand some fire. They didn't see any use of shields against their main opponent, so they didn't develop any ?
That's just a guess.
As for the Ancients ships, maybe they got strong shields, and maybe they destroyed thousands of Wraith ships, we don't know anything about the war, just that they were REALLY REALLY outnumbered, and seeing the power of destruction of only one Hive or one Cruiser, that's not that difficult to believe ...

[JSPuddlejumper]

Shields would have made a difference. The Wraith are very intelligent, and they live for 1000's of years...Imagine the knowledge.

They should have been able to invent effective shields. They were able to jam Asgard beaming tech within just over a day.

Hell, they tampered with the Asuran base code without the help of Semi-Asuran (Wier).

No, the Wraith ships should have gotten powerful shields.

The Ancients ships should have gotten the best shields (Ori level) and tech (lasers, plus drones, plus ion cannons).

[Xaeden]

Realistically, SGC/Earth beating the G'ould is akin to the Roman Army beating the US army of the 21st century. Let's not mention the Ori, Replicators or Wraith.

The Romon army didn't beat the US army, they got the US army to rebel against their overlords while the Romon army sat back and watched the chaos unfold. And in truth it's much more akin to fighting the British army as the Jaffa have a certain way of fighting that can be exploited by someone using more advanced tactics. Even their weapons are limited as they weren't created as a destructive force. They were created to scare slaves into submission and fight enemy Jaffa in a controlled way that didn't allow for the complete destruction of the other army as doing that would prevent the winning system lord from claiming those Jaffa for him/herself. They weren't prepared for a crafty fighting force, utilizing hit and run tactics because whenever this issue came up in the past all they had to do was bring a mothership into orbit over the planet they came from and bombard it. Through various plotlines which are believable alone, but become an extremely good run of long when combined, Earth prevented this from happening.

Shields would have made a difference. The Wraith are very intelligent, and they live for 1000's of years...Imagine the knowledge.

They should have been able to invent effective shields. They were able to jam Asgard beaming tech within just over a day.

We're assuming that it's even possible to have shields work with an organic ship or that the powersource Hives have is powerful enough to also maintain a shield at their massive size.

[kirmit]

We're assuming that it's even possible to have shields work with an organic ship or that the powersource Hives have is powerful enough to also maintain a shield at their massive size.

Well even if not on their hives, shields on the cruisers shouldn't be out of reach unless as you said they aren't compatible with organic technology.

[Alendra]

What's the size of a Wraith cruiser ? About the size of a 304 ?

[kirmit]

What's the size of a Wraith cruiser ? About the size of a 304 ?

Yeah roughly, perhaps a tiny bit bigger.

[jhkplaya888]

The reason wraith ships don't have shields is why would they? if drones can go through them it is a giant waste of time. also when they defeated the ancients why build them either, they weren't expecting any new enemy's or anything. Unless arrows and stones from the primitive humans were a danger O_o

[kirmit]

The reason wraith ships don't have shields is why would they? if drones can go through them it is a giant waste of time. also when they defeated the ancients why build them either, they weren't expecting any new enemy's or anything. Unless arrows and stones from the primitive humans were a danger O_o

But they have had 3 years since our first ship arrived on the scene, they could see how effective our shields were against their weapons so it could work vice versa for them.

[Alendra]

Yea but our weapons aren't as nearly effective against their ship that theirs are on ours, only nukes work and ... well, 95%, hell 99% of the time darts are enough to destroy nukes before they reach the ships, so why bother creating shields that will just eat power that is used on weapons to take down ennemy ships ? Wraith are all about offensive, they don't care much about defense.

[jhkplaya888]

But they have had 3 years since our first ship arrived on the scene, they could see how effective our shields were against their weapons so it could work vice versa for them.

well we arnt really a big thread ship wise after they stopped the asgard beaming nukes...cause are railguns= phail

[wise one]

if wraith hives or their ships had shields i wouldnt expect them to be near the level of asgard shields i would think the wraith shields if they did have them would be so not advanced than the asgard or even the ori


the wraith have been or created a little more of 10,000 years and the gouald technology like their shields were still no match for an asgard ship

[Mister Oragahn]

Why are Ancient shields weaker than Ori or Asgard? Why don't the Wraith ships have shields?

Answer: Then Earth battlecruisers would be DOA (dead on arrival, since railguns are ineffective against mothership shields) against Hives.

It is hard to believe that Hives ships such as this can destroy Ancient warships.

Thus Ancient ships were downgraded: Weaker shields and no lasers.

That is also the reason why the Asuran ship was weak (it did no damage we can see against the Apollo). How else can downgraded Hives and cruisers fight against the Asurans?

Conclusion: All this mediocrity was necessary because of the inherent weakness of Earth ship weapons.

The writers could have gotten around this by not destroying powerful allies of Earth: Asgard, Tollans and To'kra. God forbid if other species aside from humans did any damage against a powerful enemy. And sharing tech with Earth? Almost no way. Just to keep Earth the enormous underdogs who miraculously win always.

Realistically, SGC/Earth beating the G'ould is akin to the Roman Army beating the US army of the 21st century. Let's not mention the Ori, Replicators or Wraith.

Well, I'm not sure about the real reasoning, but the big lines is quite spot on.

That other thread about the retrofitted Ha'tak made me realize that it would have been much much better and logical to see Earth be forced to use stolen, weakened and damaged Ha'taks.

The level of wank Earth went through in the final years of SG-1, especially in Unending, and then above all in Atlantis, in mind boggling.
It's fanboy and lazy writing.