Aurora class shields overestimated, as shown on Traveler

[JSPuddlejumper]

That ship, had 20% shield strength, and was quickly overcome by a Wraith CRUSIER!

And in No Mans Land, that Aurora class shields failed fast, compared to the Daedalus taking fire from 2 Hives.

I would be very surprised if Aurora class shields=Upgraded Asgard shields. I do not see it at all, excluding color coding.

What this means? If the Daedalus and Apollo have the upgraded shields and weapons, they will kick Replicator ships arses.

[s09119]

That ship, had 20% shield strength, and was quickly overcome by a Wraith CRUSIER!

And in No Mans Land, that Aurora class shields failed fast, compared to the Daedalus taking fire from 2 Hives.

I would be very surprised if Aurora class shields=Upgraded Asgard shields. I do not see it at all, excluding color coding.

What this means? If the Daedalus and Apollo have the upgraded shields and weapons, they will kick Replicator ships arses.

No, it means this is rediculous. The writers are throwing sense out the window with this one;

In "No Man's Land", an Aurora with hardly any shielding took a MASSIVE amount of fire from a hive for a minute or so before its shields failed. Here, one with 20% shields (probably more than the Orion had) took less than a dozen shots from a cruiser and had its go.

That simply doesn't add up, unless the Orion and this ship were different models (which is possible, considering that this ship had a new interior).

[Buba uognarf]

No, it means this is rediculous. The writers are throwing sense out the window with this one;

In "No Man's Land", an Aurora with hardly any shielding took a MASSIVE amount of fire from a hive for a minute or so before its shields failed. Here, one with 20% shields (probably more than the Orion had) took less than a dozen shots from a cruiser and had its go.

That simply doesn't add up, unless the Orion and this ship were different models (which is possible, considering that this ship had a new interior).

This ship is meant to be more powerful though. It possible certain Wraith ships are more powerful than others though the cruiser would have to be much more powerful than a Hive...

Or maybe it's that TPTB have decided to stop making the Wraith the guys who beat the ancients so weak are going to show them kicking butt and make them stronger...

[Tanith]

We still haven't seen a fully working and fully powered Ancient warship. Both the Orion and the one in Travellers were damaged (hence why they were abandoned in the first place) and we have no idea how this may have affected systems like the shields. If a brand new ship was encountered, say one built by the Asurans, then we can gauge how powerful they really are. Until then we have to put things like this down to the damage to the ships. They were also at least 10,000 years old so won't be working perfectly.

[JSPuddlejumper]

In No Mans Land, that warship's shields were taken out pretty quickly and we got no indication that the shields were below 100%. That was why I was not that impressed with Aurora class abilities.

People kept saying, no way, the ship was hardly functional, shields no where near 100%, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Now we see PROOF that Aurora shields are not as powerful as either Ori or Asgard shields.

Compare that to the Daedalus, which can withstand 2 Wraith Hive fires simultaneously for well over 1 minute! And you all saw the Apollo take virtually no damage from the Asuran warship (reminiscent of Ori ships taking no damage from a fleet of Ha'tak's or O'Neils).

Wraith Hive fires would most definitely much more powerful than the pea size Wraith Cruiser fire.

I think I said this before, if Ancient ships were that powerful (like the new Ori ships), the Wraith would never have beaten them, whatever their numbers. Ancients do not have the mindset for war, unlike the Ori.


Once the Apollo and the Daedalus get all the new Asgard upgrades, they will be a truly a force to be reckon with. And a ZPM to each, virtually unstoppable.


"We still haven't seen a fully working and fully powered Ancient warship. Both the Orion and the one in Travellers were damaged (hence why they were abandoned in the first place) and we have no idea how this may have affected systems like the shields. "

We know EXACTLY that the shields were at 20%, and they were taken out quickly by a Wraith Cruiser. And these people have been around Ancient tech a long time, and have even built ships. They know what they are talking about. Face the facts: Ancients shields on their regular ships (not Atlantis city ships, whose shields are beyond anything) are inferior to both the Ori and Asgard.

[wise one]

ok, in no mas land the orion ships had to transfer shield power to drones, the wraith hives didnt disable the shields on them..


20% of shields being taken down by a little wraith cruiser is just stupid, even the orion lasted in a volcano spillaing lava at all around the shields and still managed to to go into hyperspace


i think people will be going for the damaged it sustained and that maybe the radiation must have something to do with it.

but the shields were taken down on 20% which suggest that maybe just maybe ori shields or even the asgard are more advanced, which they are

[JSPuddlejumper]

"ok, in no mas land the orion ships had to transfer shield power to drones, the wraith hives didnt disable the shields on them.."

Never said they were. It was obvious that the shields were taken down (not by the Wraith), but in order to fire the drones.

But, when the shields were on, the Aurora class ship was taking HEAVY DAMAGE from the Hive, you can easily see the damage on the bridge. They were desparate to the get the drones firing and in a last ditch effort to save the ship, got rid of the shields in order to the fire the drones. Otherwise, the shields would have been depleted soon by the Wraith fire.

Which proves what I have been saying all along, Ancient regular ship shields are not on a level with the Ori or Asgard.

IMO, Ori shields were definitely the most powerful. Not sure if that still holds after the Odyssey upgrades, it is possible that those Asgard beams were just made to work on the Ori shields. And that overall, Ori shields are still #1.

[wise one]

well 10,000 years have passed i would think the asgard wouldnt just stop at their current technology, they would of progressed far enough to improve things.

[s09119]

"ok, in no mas land the orion ships had to transfer shield power to drones, the wraith hives didnt disable the shields on them.."

Never said they were. It was obvious that the shields were taken down (not by the Wraith), but in order to fire the drones.

But, when the shields were on, the Aurora class ship was taking HEAVY DAMAGE from the Hive, you can easily see the damage on the bridge. They were desparate to the get the drones firing and in a last ditch effort to save the ship, got rid of the shields in order to the fire the drones. Otherwise, the shields would have been depleted soon by the Wraith fire.

Which proves what I have been saying all along, Ancient regular ship shields are not on a level with the Ori or Asgard.

IMO, Ori shields were definitely the most powerful. Not sure if that still holds after the Odyssey upgrades, it is possible that those Asgard beams were just made to work on the Ori shields. And that overall, Ori shields are still #1.

Um... no. The bridge of ANY ship sparks while taking damage (minus Asgard ships, but they were only ever shown when fighting the primitive Goa'uld). That doesn't prove anything.

The Orion transferred all the remaining power (which wasn't high to begin with) from the shields to the weapons, nothing more or less. That entire post you wrote is just false, especially as they didn't fire the drones as a last ditch effort, they were trying to fire them all along! Caldwell kept asking why the drones weren't being released because he knew the Daedalus couldn't take on two hives alone.

[JSPuddlejumper]

"well 10,000 years have passed i would think the asgard wouldnt just stop at their current technology, they would of progressed far enough to improve things."

The Asgard had a few advantages the Ancients did not:

G'ould as enemies for many centuries. Thus the Asgard were able to built up their military. G'ould could not reach the Asgard galaxy.

They also got hold of the Ancient database, and Replicator tech (of course the Replicator's adapted mostly Asgard tech). What we seen on screen, an average Asgard is smarter than an average Ancient. But IMO, that is just bad acting.

But who knows, the Asgard body struture implies ALL BRAIN. Plus, Rodney knew that the Asgard would understand the base code for shield upgrades, this is the super genius near Ascension Rodney. The Asgard don't have the abilities of the Ancients had later on, but on a pure IQ basis, they were arguable at that level.

The Ancients were caught off guard by the Wraith and was on a losing streak there afterwards. Akin to the Asgard vs the Replicators, although the Replicators are a far more serious/unstoppable threat without the base code maniuplations than the Wraith ever will be.

So, I am not surprised that the Asgard shields are better than the Ancient shields. As for the Ori, one would expect this, they are getting specs from Ascended beings.

[JSPuddlejumper]

"The Orion transferred all the remaining power (which wasn't high to begin with) from the shields to the weapons, nothing more or less. That entire post you wrote is just false, especially as they didn't fire the drones as a last ditch effort, they were trying to fire them all along! Caldwell kept asking why the drones weren't being released because he knew the Daedalus couldn't take on two hives alone."

From the damage the ship was taking, it was readily apparent that either they got the drones working then, or the ship would have been destroyed. Of course they were trying to get the drones working from the begining, but from the damage the ship was taking, it was either get the drones working now or be destroyed.

As for the Daedalus, it can only take on 1 Hive at once because it's weapons (lack of real energy weapons). But come now, an Aurora class with 20% shields was nearly destroyed by a Cruiser just now, because of lack of weapons. That is why the Earth battlecruisers will need some real weapons soon.

[freyr's mother]

But come now, an Aurora class with 20% shields was nearly destroyed by a Cruiser just now, because of lack of weapons.

No, it was because of a lack of personnel able to fire anything. Sheppard was the only one who could control anything on the warship, and he was in the brig when the wraith showed up and started attacking. A wraith cruiser is no match for an Aurora class even if it has 10% shields.

[JSPuddlejumper]

" A wraith cruiser is no match for an Aurora class even if it has 10% shields."

Absolutely!

Same thing with the Daedalus, plus it has more powerful shields.

With the Daedalus shields, and if they had drones, it can easily take on many Hives at once and destroy them. Forget about those weak little Wraith cruisers.

Now if the Daedalus had Asgard beams, they may be able to take out a Hive with 1 shot, may be. The Hives are massive in size, so the beam has to last long time to get through the entire ship...

[An-Alteran]

That ship, had 20% shield strength, and was quickly overcome by a Wraith CRUSIER!

Unfortunate episode. I didn't like it at all. And that is a first for me.

Don't forget the ship's power systems were already almost depleted.

And in No Mans Land, that Aurora class shields failed fast, compared to the Daedalus taking fire from 2 Hives.

The shields never failed. They were taken offline.

I would be very surprised if Aurora class shields=Upgraded Asgard shields. I do not see it at all, excluding color coding.

Don't forget that the Oddyssey lost 80% of its shields to 3 Hat'taks in Off the Grid in mere seconds.

What this means? If the Daedalus and Apollo have the upgraded shields and weapons, they will kick Replicator ships arses.

Methinks thou dost assume too much.

Um... no. The bridge of ANY ship sparks while taking damage (minus Asgard ships, but they were only ever shown when fighting the primitive Goa'uld). That doesn't prove anything.

That depends on the director.
Some directors have sparks under fire, some don't.

[Xaeden]

But, when the shields were on, the Aurora class ship was taking HEAVY DAMAGE from the Hive, you can easily see the damage on the bridge. They were desparate to the get the drones firing and in a last ditch effort to save the ship, got rid of the shields in order to the fire the drones. Otherwise, the shields would have been depleted soon by the Wraith fire.

Which proves what I have been saying all along, Ancient regular ship shields are not on a level with the Ori or Asgard.

Actually that doesn't prove what you've been saying as the ship had a power problem from the beginning. Look at how easy Atlantis is to take down with one ZPM and then look at how hard it's been described to take down with 3. The Orion was suffering from the same thing and even so there was no mention of them about to fail before they transfered power.

As for the Traveler's ship, the only explaination that comes to mind is that perhaps the Wraith upgraded their weapons since the war with the Asurans began as I may be wrong, but I've never seen them fire bursts like that before. You're probably right though. The Asgard worked very hard to come up with better and better shield technology in response to being in a constant war. The Ancients may have just kept the same basic tech as they relyed far too heavily on their drones being all powerful.