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FallenAngelII
October 13th, 2007, 07:45 AM
So we all know Radek won't be featured much in season 4 and most of us have presumed it's because of Sam. A cut budget, bringing in a starring actor from the original show, yeah...

I mean, for the first half of 4x01 "Adrift", Zelenka was referenced (by name!) repeatedly but wasn't actually seen onscreen or even heard through the radio 'til halfway through the episode!

And his screen-time in this episode! I mean, WTF?! She appears but twice this episode and his screen time totals less than three minutes. His first appearance is at the start where Rodney mistakenly thinks he's taking over leadership of Atlantis.

His second appearance is for a 30-second sequence where he... scans for energy. Rodney, the head of the science division, is captive and they send the 2nd in command to scan for energy readings?! A second in command who doesn't even have the gene to perform said action!

It's obvious they only included him to quell our anger of his reduced screentime! Let's give him some token screen time a little here and there to cover up the fact that we won't be using him much this year. I mean, you could remove Zelenka's appearances from "Reunion" and nothing would change. Rodney could talk to Ronon or Teyla about his assumption and Random Scientist #31 could do the scan!

I hate it when they do stuff like have token appearances just for fanservice. I'd rather he not have been featured in "Reunion" (at least not in the "Let's scan for energy!"-scene) at all!

Briangate78
October 13th, 2007, 07:47 AM
Actually Joe M said Zalenka will have the most screentime in this season than in any other past season. So far he has been in the first 3 eps.

FallenAngelII
October 13th, 2007, 07:49 AM
Actually Joe M said Zalenka will have the most screentime in this season than in any other past season. So far he has been in the first 3 eps.
Yes, and what great screen time he had in "Reunion". Superflous fanservice. And I don't even remember seeing him in "Doppelganger", so if he was featured, it's not like had anything memorable to say or do.

And when did Joe say this? I've heard anything from 7, 10 to 14 episodes.

Briangate78
October 13th, 2007, 07:54 AM
Yes, and what great screen time he had in "Reunion". Superflous fanservice. And I don't even remember seeing him in "Doppelganger", so if he was featured, it's not like had anything memorable to say or do.

And when did Joe say this? I've heard anything from 7, 10 to 14 episodes.

It was on his blog a couple of weeks ago. I have to admit we are seeing him more this season than in any other seasons. Too soon to really compare. So far I think he is getting more screentime if this trend continues. Dr. Keller for an example was only in the first episode, Zalenka was in all 3.

FallenAngelII
October 13th, 2007, 07:57 AM
It was on his blog a couple of weeks ago. I have to admit we are seeing him more this season than in any other seasons. Too soon to really compare. So far I think he is getting more screentime if this trend continues. Dr. Keller for an example was only in the first episode, Zalenka was in all 3.
Keller is in 4x04, though. And Keller got a lot of important screentime in 4x01, 4x02 and 4x04. Zelenka's screen time in 4x03 is pathetic.

Klenotka
October 13th, 2007, 08:02 AM
Zelenka will be in 14 episodes, David said it by himself.

And it´s Zelenka, not Zalenka, Zelanka, Zelinka and so on :rolleyes:
Seriously, is it so difficult to remember one name and spell it correctly?

This is what makes *this* fan angry :D

Briangate78
October 13th, 2007, 08:02 AM
Joe M's blog September 18th 2007...


Morjana writes: “Would you happen to know how many episodes Dr. Z will be in this year?”

Answer: Sorry, I don’t have the exact episode count. However, episode count aside, Zelenka will be featured more this season than any other.

FallenAngelII
October 13th, 2007, 08:07 AM
Episode count so far:
4x01 - Adrift - Is referenced for the first half of the episode, but does not appear or even speak through the radio. He gets some important screen time once he shows up, though.
4x02 - Lifeline - Not that much screen time and not much of it was that important.
4x03 - Reunion - Crappy, stupid and illogical screen time (why was he there with Sam, Rodney, John and Teyla?! What if a bomb had gone off?! And he doesn't even have the gene to operate the scanner he was using!). Obviously fanservice to quell our anger. Perfectly forgetably. In fact, this episode does not count because of the stupidity of his screen time.
4x04 - Doppelganger - No screen time

All in all, it's 50-50 so far. I'm not saying it's that bad yet, but if more of his screen time will be like that in "Reunion", riots.

dana
October 13th, 2007, 08:11 AM
Actually he was in Doppelganger.

One time I know for sure when he had to lure McKay to the room when they realized the entity or sth was in him.

Mattathias2.0
October 13th, 2007, 08:13 AM
Not just that, when they returned the crytals back to the planet Zelenka was there as well, and made a comment about the particular event occuring (upon the returning of the crytals, that is).

And if I am not mistaken, he was also in the room with Keller and Rodney regarding the scientifics of the crystals as well, and spoke some techno-babble.

dana
October 13th, 2007, 08:14 AM
Not just that, when they returned the crytals back to the planet Zelenka was there as well, and made a comment about the particular event occuring (upon the returning of the crytals, that is).

Yeah, I remember now...I just said what first came to mind. :D

figment
October 13th, 2007, 08:19 AM
David posted this on his blog regarding the number of episodes he is in:


It was a good year. 10 episodes for the good Doctor. That's right down the middle.

SG-25CSAR
October 13th, 2007, 08:26 AM
Episode count so far:
4x01 - Adrift - Is referenced for the first half of the episode, but does not appear or even speak through the radio. He gets some important screen time once he shows up, though.
[Qoute/]

Witch is a lot more than screen time he had in many past episodes.
[QUOTE]4x02 - Lifeline - Not that much screen time and not much of it was that important.
Story of his life...

4x03 - Reunion - Crappy, stupid and illogical screen time (why was he there with Sam, Rodney, John and Teyla?! What if a bomb had gone off?! And he doesn't even have the gene to operate the scanner he was using!). Obviously fanservice to quell our anger. Perfectly forgetably. In fact, this episode does not count because of the stupidity of his screen time.
If only some Doctor, maybe from Scotland, had made a Medicine or retro virus to add the Ancient Activation gene to those that do not have it, like Mckay. If only Wier hired this said doctor so people like Zelenka could use ancient tech...

4x04 - Doppelganger - No screen time
Yes he was in atleast 3 scenes that 2 of them were VERY important.

All in all, it's 50-50 so far. I'm not saying it's that bad yet, but if more of his screen time will be like that in "Reunion", riots.
So far Zelenka has been in all the episodes this season. Last season, the one before and the one one that started the show have Episodes that didn't even include Zelenka. So far so good.

FallenAngelII
October 13th, 2007, 08:29 AM
Actually he was in Doppelganger.

One time I know for sure when he had to lure McKay to the room when they realized the entity or sth was in him.

Not just that, when they returned the crytals back to the planet Zelenka was there as well, and made a comment about the particular event occuring (upon the returning of the crytals, that is).

And if I am not mistaken, he was also in the room with Keller and Rodney regarding the scientifics of the crystals as well, and spoke some techno-babble.
Neither of those appearances count as important screen time. He didn't do anything special, he didn't get a lot of important lines, he didn't get character development. It's more superflous screentime.

I mean, even Lorne got some character development in "Doppelganger". We found out he's a somnambulist. What do we know about Radek after "Doppelganger"?

It's the typical Teyla/Ronon-syndrome. Screen time that's not important, where they're relegated to being wall-flowers or add a few superflous lines.

I prefer my characters to have good screen time.


David posted this on his blog regarding the number of episodes he is in:
So either David Nykl is lying or Joe Malozzi is lying. Hmmmmmm...

FallenAngelII
October 13th, 2007, 08:33 AM
Witch is a lot more than screen time he had in many past episodes.
Ummm... yeah. One episode. Yes, one episode. It obviously means he'll get tons of important stuff to do now that the city is not in danger of collapsing in on itself.


Story of his life...
Yes, it really is.


If only some Doctor, maybe from Scotland, had made a Medicine or retro virus to add the Ancient Activation gene to those that do not have it, like Mckay. If only Wier hired this said doctor so people like Zelenka could use ancient tech...
If only they'd tried said gene therapy on Zelenka with the result being failure.


Yes he was in atleast 3 scenes that 2 of them were VERY important.
He didn't do much. He "lured Rodney somewhere". His screentime in that scene (besides wallflowering) was, like 30 seconds. Then when returning to the planet to get another crystal and when returning it, he was one of many. Then he bickered a bit with Rodney while Keller got mesmerized by the thing.

All in all, not that big.


So far Zelenka has been in all the episodes this season. Last season, the one before and the one one that started the show have Episodes that didn't even include Zelenka. So far so good.
Quantity does not mean quality. I mean, really, the "Reunion"-screen time. Can someone say "pathetic"? Especially the energy reading bit. They pulled him in for a 20-second sequence where he got to say "Energy signatures detected from over there!" (not a direct quote).

Alipeeps
October 13th, 2007, 08:56 AM
Neither of those appearances count as important screen time. He didn't do anything special, he didn't get a lot of important lines, he didn't get character development. It's more superflous screentime.

He returned to the planet with the team to harvest the crystals
He worked with Rodney on analysing the crystals and configuring the sensors to detect the entity
He was the one who managed to get the city-wide sensors to detect the entity, leading them to find out that it was in Rodney
He lured Rodney to the isolation room
He helped set up the equipment to allow Sheppard to enter Rodney's dream to help him and was there throughout, part of the team monitoring/suporting the attempt

Did you even *watch* the episode?!!


I mean, even Lorne got some character development in "Doppelganger". We found out he's a somnambulist. What do we know about Radek after "Doppelganger"?

What do we know about any character after any episode? Finding out details of their childhood etc. is not the only thing that constitutes character development! Seriously, how often with ANY character, do we learn something completely new about them in an episode?


It's the typical Teyla/Ronon-syndrome. Screen time that's not important, where they're relegated to being wall-flowers or add a few superflous lines.

I prefer my characters to have good screen time.

So far this Season, out of 4 episodes, Zelenka has helped to save the city, including risking his life on a perilous spacewalk and completing urgent repairs whilst injured, he has helped McKay perform incredibly advanced upgrades to a jumper to allow a vital mission to save the city, he has acted as the science support on a dangerous missions to rescue vital members of the expedition (how's *that* for character development.. remember the Zelenka who was freaked out at even being off-world in Duet?) and he has performed vital scientific analysis without which the expedition would not have been able to isolate and eventually defeat an entity which was killing their people.

I'd call that contribution to the season "important". From spoilers, he's also going to play an important role in the episode Quarantine.


So either David Nykl is lying or Joe Malozzi is lying. Hmmmmmm...

Check your facts before you make blatantly false accusations. Nobody has lied. Mallozzi said he couldn't remember the exact number of episodes and Nykl confirmed it was 10. Which is only 4 less than last season and David himself seems perfectly happy with his amount of involvement in this season.

It might be your opinion that Zelenka's inclusion in Reunion is nothing more than a sop to the fans but please don't try and present that opinion as fact.

FallenAngelII
October 13th, 2007, 09:07 AM
He returned to the planet with the team to harvest the crystals
He worked with Rodney on analysing the crystals and configuring the sensors to detect the entity
He was the one who managed to get the city-wide sensors to detect the entity, leading them to find out that it was in Rodney
He lured Rodney to the isolation room
He helped set up the equipment to allow Sheppard to enter Rodney's dream to help him and was there throughout, part of the team monitoring/suporting the attempt
Superflous screentime to appease the fans (= fanservice). Nothing no one else could've done, each appearance lasted for only a short period of time and he didn't say or do anything for character development. It's like saying Teyla got a lot of good screentime in season 3 because she was just there and kicked butt.


What do we know about any character after any episode? Finding out details of their childhood etc. is not the only thing that constitutes character development! Seriously, how often with ANY character, do we learn something completely new about them in an episode?
With Radek, almost never. With others, occasionally. Sometimes they grow from their experiences. That's also character development.


So far this Season, out of 4 episodes, Zelenka has helped to save the city, including risking his life on a perilous spacewalk and completing urgent repairs whilst injured, he has helped McKay perform incredibly advanced upgrades to a jumper to allow a vital mission to save the city, he has acted as the science support on a dangerous missions to rescue vital members of the expedition (how's *that* for character development.. remember the Zelenka who was freaked out at even being off-world in Duet?) and he has performed vital scientific analysis without which the expedition would not have been able to isolate and eventually defeat an entity which was killing their people.
Of yes, he helped work an energy signature machine. And then did nothing else from what we saw (he wasn't even armed). Any of the grunts could've done it as it apparently didn't require the gene.

I'm not saying he hasn't gotten anything important to do. I'm, however, contesting his screentime in "Doppelganger". Nothing truly awesome. But I'll conceed that at least he got important screen time.

However, the screentime in "Reunion" was pure garbage.


Check your facts before you make blatantly false accusations. Nobody has lied. Mallozzi said he couldn't remember the exact number of episodes and Nykl confirmed it was 10. Which is only 4 less than last season and David himself seems perfectly happy with his amount of involvement in this season.
A lot of people said Joe's blog (which is vast and I'm too lazy to check through it) stated that he'd be in 14 episodes. So Mallozzi was just forgetful.


It might be your opinion that Zelenka's inclusion in Reunion is nothing more than a sop to the fans but please don't try and present that opinion as fact.
And your opnion of it is? He had important screen time in Adrift, Lifeline and at least "normal screen time" (as in "normal for him") in "Doppelganger. But... "Reunion"? Really?

He "helped rescue them"? Yes, I can "help rescue" people by standing by unarmed while 4 armed people gun down Wraith as well! All I have to do is operate a machine any 12 yearold could operate and point. And I'd be part of said rescue mission and have important screen time!

Come on!

Alipeeps
October 13th, 2007, 12:54 PM
A lot of people said Joe's blog (which is vast and I'm too lazy to check through it) stated that he'd be in 14 episodes. So Mallozzi was just forgetful.


Read the thread again. No-onse said that. So your accusations of lying are therefore completely false (and kinda libellous). ;)

As for the rest.. you're contradicting yourself so much now that I've given up trying to follow that kind of twisted logic. You can believe whatever you like and if you feel including Zelenka in episodes has been done purely to appease fans' anger (cos yeah, TPTB have a great track record of doing things fans want and making casting decisions based on what the fans might get angry about.. :rolleyes:) then that's your choice. I say again though, it is nothing more than opinion - not fact - and so is your "evidence" to support that theory.

So on a theoretical basis, sure discuss away... but please don't try and present your opinion as vaible fact unless you have some actual facts to back that up.

Ganthet Jr.
October 13th, 2007, 01:00 PM
Okay. Zelenka is one of my favorite characters. If I had to pick anyone to be upgraded to fulltime cast member, it'd be him. But he's not. He's a secondary character. A historically well-written one, but a secondary character nonetheless. To use him for something as "substance-less" as scanning for energy readings... oh well. Not a big deal. You can't forget that he is a secondary character. He's had his moments in the past, and he'll have his moments in the future. Why dwell on this?

SGFerrit
October 13th, 2007, 01:01 PM
Well, David N. himself seems to think it has been a great year for him. According to his Gateworld interview anyway. Or are tptb just forcing him to say that?

The majority of people here are happy with what David/Zelenka is getting this year. David is happy with what he/Zelenka is getting this year. I'm sorry if your not.

AutumnDream
October 13th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Radek rules. I'm glad to see him any time.

WingedPegasus
October 13th, 2007, 01:32 PM
I don't think they're doing Zelenka any disservice with the amount of episodes he's in OR the length/quality of said screentime.

geewillie86
October 13th, 2007, 02:02 PM
I don't know why you should be angry, FallenAngelII.

Consider the purpose of the episodes:

Adrift and Lifeline were major ensemble shows. Except Weir in Lifeline, the shows weren't supposed to highlight any particular character. After Zelenka was referenced for half an episode, he was the central character of a major plot point. I'd say that he got a lot of attention.

In Reunion, the purpose was to demonstrate the bonds that Ronon has formed in his time at Atlantis, and to deal with Carter taking over. With that in mind, its easy to see that Zelenka just wouldn't have a major place in that episode. He has little to do with Ronon's decision, and he isn't a major stumbling block in Carter's career path. The fact that he was still a part of the episode demonstrates that tptb are dedicated to his character. We know this because we have been told that he will be featured more this season than any other.

Keep in mind that he is a supporting character. For a supporting character, he gets a lot of screen time. He's stayed with the show since the beginning. That is rare and unusual in tv. However, he is not a main character. His name is not on the opening credits. He does not have the guarantee that the others have. It is only logical that his screen time would be less than that of the major characters.

The way I see it, the only way that you could be happy with the Zelenka situation while still maintaining a logical order of things in the Atlantis production would be to fire one of the current main characters and replace that character with Zelenka. If they did that, however, there would be an uprising of fans the likes of which the world has never seen.

Even if you don't agree with what I've said above, then think about it like this:

If the producers ever did something they knew would upset fans, I doubt that they would be apologetic for it. In addition, its not like they saw the reaction of the fans and reproduced Reunion only a few weeks before it was supposed to air.

SG-25CSAR
October 13th, 2007, 02:30 PM
I'm inclined to believe the mayority on this one. And about the Scanners: Last time I heard, the Navy, Army, Air force, and Marine corps do not employ 12 year olds to operate SONAR and RADAR and other "sensors". Even if it were legal, they would never ever ever ever consider the Idea of a 12 year old on such advanced hardware. let alone advanced alien technology that is in another language not known to mankind.

Oh, It was stated that not all Ancient Tech requires the gene. Mckay said that some of it uses good old botton pushing.

Avenger
October 13th, 2007, 03:29 PM
Cheers, geewillie. Excellent post.

Agent_Dark
October 13th, 2007, 05:04 PM
I think 'QQ' can sum up the original post....

the fifth man
October 13th, 2007, 05:15 PM
Radek rules. I'm glad to see him any time.

I totally agree with that. IMO, I'd rather see him just some of the time than not at all.

Quinn Mallory
October 13th, 2007, 09:18 PM
I was glad to see Zelenka and he has had quite a major role so far this season. I don't know if it is so much to cater to the fan in respond to the other changes or just that TPTB see the brilliance of David Nykl and wants to include him in more scenes.

As for the complaint that it's unusal for Zelenka to go on the away mission, it's really the same situation as anytime McKay goes on a mission. They just send out the best man available. I think if Atlantis was still quite cut off from Earth, then it would make more sense for them to leave someone behind (such as the case of Teyla in the last episode). It does appear that Zelenka may have gotten a promotion or have requested to do more field work this year which is totally plausible.

FallenAngelII
October 14th, 2007, 12:42 AM
Okay. Zelenka is one of my favorite characters. If I had to pick anyone to be upgraded to fulltime cast member, it'd be him. But he's not. He's a secondary character. A historically well-written one, but a secondary character nonetheless. To use him for something as "substance-less" as scanning for energy readings... oh well. Not a big deal. You can't forget that he is a secondary character. He's had his moments in the past, and he'll have his moments in the future. Why dwell on this?
I'd rather him not have appeared in "Reunion" than have him appear in "Reunion".

Let's see... Wraith base which had managed to capture Atlantis' flagship team and wounded Ronon + "captured three warrior Satedans". What do they send in? 4 soldiers (including said wounded Ronon) + an unarmed Radek. And what do we se him doing? 20 seconds of checking energy readings and pointing the way.

Illogical and unnecessary scene. I mean, what was Radek's purpose their, anyway? Anyone with a brain could've used that energy reader thingie. Sam could've used it or whatever.

Rosehawk
October 14th, 2007, 09:58 AM
I'd rather him not have appeared in "Reunion" than have him appear in "Reunion".

Let's see... Wraith base which had managed to capture Atlantis' flagship team and wounded Ronon + "captured three warrior Satedans". What do they send in? 4 soldiers (including said wounded Ronon) + an unarmed Radek. And what do we se him doing? 20 seconds of checking energy readings and pointing the way.

Illogical and unnecessary scene. I mean, what was Radek's purpose their, anyway? Anyone with a brain could've used that energy reader thingie. Sam could've used it or whatever.

It's okay that you don't feel Radek needed to be in Reunion but I for one am glad to see Radek. David N. seems to always make the best out of the screen time that they do give him and he has had episodes with alot less screen time. Radek actually had some good screen time in Reunion.

Getting Radek out into the jumper was a subtle way of showing some character growth for Radek, something we started seeing in Adrift. He's a secondary character so we probably won't get to see alot (if any) major storylines with character growth for Radek. Could anyone have done it, yeah, but it was great to see Radek out and filling shoes that Rodney normally would have done when Rodeny goes on missions. Radek is becoming less afraid and hesitant to do off-world missions, it's a nice contrast to see compared to S1, S2 and S3 where is was always so reluctant to go off-world. Putting Radek in that scene was a small way to show some character growth for Radek.

You could ask the same question, why was Radek there when Ronan came through the gate firing. I was surprised to see Radek there and I was glad, it was fun. Could anyone have done it, yeah, but it was great to see Radek there and hear the concern Radek felt at the moment when Ronan came through. Since all the other main characters were off world, the scene needed to have someone that Ronan (and fans) have connected with before since this episode is about friendship and loyalty.

I think Radek's main role in Reunion was the begining scene with Rodney and him talking. TPTB love to put these two together and I found the scene quite enjoyable to watch especially Zelenka's face as he started thinking about what Rodney was talking about. I don't think that scene would have worked quite so well with any other character on the show.

IMO, Reunion wouldn't have worked so well without the small parts that Zelenka did have in that episode.

talyn2k1
October 14th, 2007, 10:17 AM
I'd rather him not have appeared in "Reunion" than have him appear in "Reunion".

Let's see... Wraith base which had managed to capture Atlantis' flagship team and wounded Ronon + "captured three warrior Satedans". What do they send in? 4 soldiers (including said wounded Ronon) + an unarmed Radek. And what do we se him doing? 20 seconds of checking energy readings and pointing the way.

Illogical and unnecessary scene. I mean, what was Radek's purpose their, anyway? Anyone with a brain could've used that energy reader thingie. Sam could've used it or whatever.

And if Carter had used the energy scanner, the anti-Carters would've seen that as a sign that she is taking over from Zelenka. Really, PTB cannot win!

You need to remember that Zelenka is not a main cast member. PTB have no committment or duty to having him appear in X amount of episodes per season. They include him because the fans like him and DN is a great actor.
They include him whenever they can because they like him, PTB have said repeatedly that they will make the show how they want to and not pander to the demands of certain vocal groups of fans because they will never be able to satisfy everyone.

Zelenka's appearance fanservice to quell the anger?

The title confused me though. I`m a fairly regular reader of the GW forum and I have never encountered any particular amount of anger towards Zelenka's number of episodes or how he is utilised. Have I been missing all these anger threads?

Zelenka is a recurring cast member. PTB will use him as much as they please. As a Zelenka fan, I am happy with him appearing as often as PTB seem fit to include him and DN is available to appear.
Don't be so ungrateful!

Uber
October 14th, 2007, 01:14 PM
Actually Joe M said Zalenka will have the most screentime in this season than in any other past season. So far he has been in the first 3 eps.David Nykl said much the same on his blog. I'm happy that we're getting more Radek as he became a favorite of mine almost from the very beginning. :)
Radek rules. I'm glad to see him any time.Indeed.

And to answer the question this thread raises...no.

I think they are incorporating more Radek because he fits...he has chemistry with the other cast members, is appreciated by the fans, is a good actor and is easy to work with. I don't have any reason to believe that TPTB were one bit concerned about the anger a small group of online fans might have with their stories. But then I reject your premise that Sam=less Radek. I think the fact he's getting a lot of great screen time this season disproves your claim nicely.

So no, it's not "obvious" that they're trying to quell something that doesn't exist outside the minds of a few.

saberhagen83
October 14th, 2007, 01:33 PM
I actually just like having Zelenka around, I really like his character and enjoy his scenes with Rodney. I can agree that he isn't always used to much in some eps, but it's still nice to have him around even if it's just for a few scenes and a few lines. Would I like to see more of him? Sure! But he is a secondary character so I will enjoy whatever screentime he will get this season, just like the previous 3.

Not to mention that it's still early in the season, I'm sure we will be seeing more of our favorit Radek. :) And when even David says he will be having more sreentime, it sound even more good to me than coming from a producer or something. It's the little things that make him so enjoyable to watch on SGA, he works wonderfully with the cast and is a funny and very talented actor imho. Any screentime is better than nothing. :)

And I really agree about Radek getting some subtle development with him going off-world. We wouldn't see that as much in the past, but the character is growing and it's nice to see. ;)

Uber
October 14th, 2007, 01:41 PM
I actually just like having Zelenka around, I really like his character and enjoy his scenes with Rodney. I can agree that he isn't always used to much in some eps, but it's still nice to have him around even if it's just for a few scenes and a few lines. Would I like to see more of him? Sure! But he is a secondary character so I will enjoy whatever screentime he will get this season, just like the previous 3.

Not to mention that it's still early in the season, I'm sure we will be seeing more of our favorit Radek. :) And when even David says he will be having more sreentime, it sound even more good to me than coming from a producer or something. It's the little things that make him so enjoyable to watch on SGA, he works wonderfully with the cast and is a funny and very talented actor imho. Any screentime is better than nothing. :)

And I really agree about Radek getting some subtle development with him going off-world. We wouldn't see that as much in the past, but the character is growing and it's nice to see. ;)He stood out as the hero of Adrift for me. Not to discount the contributions of everyone else of course, but Radek isn't used to being flung through space or working with a bullet hole in his leg...and yet he persevered and worked through the pain because he's a hero.

As for Reunion, I'm glad he was used as he was...both as a foil for McKay and also that Carter picked him for the mission. I much prefer him over some random scientist.

But then I'm completely biased because he's one of my favorite original SGA characters. :zelenka:

Klenotka
October 14th, 2007, 01:49 PM
hmm, what can I say? I am Czech and I love Radek. We all, czech fans, do. Of course we would be happy to see more of him. I heard complaints about it, that he isn´t there. I heard opinions that they should kick all SGA characters, put there SG1 character instead + Zelenka. I heard opinions that he should have an episode for himself. I heard that he should have episode like GUP where he would talk Czech all the time.
I heard many and many crazy opinions from Czech fans. David Nykl was here on July and we love him.

But, I have never heard opionion like this. Of course, I might in the future, who knows. I can also make a poll in Czech forums if Czechs can see it that way :D But I highly doubt it. But of course, I am talking only about *this* fan, not all. So I am sure that some might feel it same way as you. But still...we are just glad he is there ;) I even didn´t think about it before I read your post. :rolleyes:
We love him and want to see more of him. But we are also aware that he is a secondary character, so he simply can´t get so much space. In the minute he will become regular, sure.
But I am not sure I want him to be regular....they are removing regular characters. :D Zelenka is there, when he is needed. Which means that he is there when he has something to do and is it imporatant. We have seen many times Weir or Teyla just standing somewhere, only because they were regulars, but were not necessary to be there. Same for Carson....
So I disagree with what you are saying. *shrugs*

SG-25CSAR
October 15th, 2007, 05:22 PM
There's something about Zelenka that just seeing him do nothing in a scene is more than enough. So just looking at sensors and pointing and saying "There!"
is like 100 times better than John telling us his life story.

I might be exagerating a little, but you get the point.

Trek_Girl42
October 15th, 2007, 06:17 PM
He stood out as the hero of Adrift for me. Not to discount the contributions of everyone else of course, but Radek isn't used to being flung through space or working with a bullet hole in his leg...and yet he persevered and worked through the pain because he's a hero.

As for Reunion, I'm glad he was used as he was...both as a foil for McKay and also that Carter picked him for the mission. I much prefer him over some random scientist.

But then I'm completely biased because he's one of my favorite original SGA characters. :zelenka:
Absolutely agree- if the first few episodes are any indication, this will be an excellent season for Zelenka.

What is wrong with him just appearing in an episode to do some technical speak? That's the character's job. And it's definitely better than nameless scientist #1. If David Nykl is available, why not use him? Is it not worth having him show up if Radek isn't going to have some emotional turmoil or character revelation? That's the impression I'm getting from the thread starter.....

SG13-NightOps
October 16th, 2007, 03:39 AM
Episode count so far:
4x01 - Adrift - Is referenced for the first half of the episode, but does not appear or even speak through the radio. He gets some important screen time once he shows up, though.

I am starting to think we are watching different shows, or you are not watching the episodes at all.

Either that, or you are purposely out to cause those Riots you oh so love predicting with exceptionally misleading statements.

Firstly and most importantly:- Zelenka is a secondary character. You seem to expect he should be in every scene. Not even John is in every scene and he is the main character. Your expectations are not very realistic. Sometimes you need to accept that a secondary character is just that - a secondary character. I could be chucking a tantrum now because Keller wasnt in Lifeline OR Reunion! What about Chuck the Technician. He has fans too! Watching him get zapped in Adrift was just mean. We should get to see him all the time. They should just have every character on the screen the whole show talking. When they go through the gate, they should take everyone on atlantis with them! The poor Caldwell fans have been completely ripped off now.. No Caldwell at all!
I miss Cadman.
They should have them ALL on in HUGE portions and make the show go for 2 hours an episode so that everyone has plenty of time.

I know, I am sounding silly arent I... Yeah, thats what it sounds like what you are asking for with this Zelenka post.

Onto the eps..

Zelenka appeared in adrift at 2 minutes and 32 seconds into the episode.
His first line at that time is "I dont think the problem is on this end"
He then proceeds to have a conversation with Rodney that leaves poor John blinking because they are finishing each others sentences. During that conversation you both See him, and Hear him on the radio.


4x02 - Lifeline - Not that much screen time and not much of it was that important.
Timmy Torture got time.


4x03 - Reunion - Crappy, stupid and illogical screen time (why was he there with Sam, Rodney, John and Teyla?! What if a bomb had gone off?! And he doesn't even have the gene to operate the scanner he was using!). Obviously fanservice to quell our anger. Perfectly forgetably. In fact, this episode does not count because of the stupidity of his screen time
It doesnt count? Can I make that decision for myself please? Thanks.


4x04 - Doppelganger - No screen time
Havent seen it yet.. I prefer not to watch the screeners. But looks like you have been corrected in this too..

To have SEEN it, must mean you have a copy of the Screener since it hasnt been shown yet, so it wouldnt have taken too much effort to check your facts there. Something that you should be increasingly becoming aware of.. Your posts lack basis in fact.

KatG
October 16th, 2007, 11:38 AM
I'm starting to think that Fallen Angel II just likes to complain, stir the pot, make waves, whatever you want to call it. :rolleyes:

Uber
October 16th, 2007, 12:04 PM
So we all know Radek won't be featured much in season 4 and most of us have presumed it's because of Sam. A cut budget, bringing in a starring actor from the original show, yeah...Non-factual/opinion-based assumptions are about as useful as a screendoor on a submerged submarine.
I mean, for the first half of 4x01 "Adrift", Zelenka was referenced (by name!) repeatedly but wasn't actually seen onscreen or even heard through the radio 'til halfway through the episode!Did you even watch Adrift? I saw Radek at the very beginning of the episode as he and McKay were sussing out the power drain problem.

He also was prepped for and went with Sheppard, was tossed across a great chasm, worked on and repaired technology while getting shot in the leg with a micro asteroid bullet thingie.

Like I said before, I felt he was the hero of Adrift.
And his screen-time in this episode! I mean, WTF?! She appears but twice this episode and his screen time totals less than three minutes. His first appearance is at the start where Rodney mistakenly thinks he's taking over leadership of Atlantis.Yep...that was funny. But Radek has always proven to be a fantastic foil for Mer.
His second appearance is for a 30-second sequence where he... scans for energy. Rodney, the head of the science division, is captive and they send the 2nd in command to scan for energy readings?! A second in command who doesn't even have the gene to perform said action!Actually we see him when Ronon gets back and briefs them. Carter preps the mission, orders Radek to get two jumpers ready for said mission and chose him to provide tech support for the team.
It's obvious they only included him to quell our anger of his reduced screentime! It's obvious that you're superimposing your personal opinions and mistaking them as being facts. Again.
Let's give him some token screen time a little here and there to cover up the fact that we won't be using him much this year. Exsqueeze me? He's already been on screen a lot more than he usually has been in the past. I don't consider any Radek screen time as being token. I see it as an enhancement to any episode regardless what he's doing. You do get that he's not the star, right? That he's a secondary character?
I mean, you could remove Zelenka's appearances from "Reunion" and nothing would change. Rodney could talk to Ronon or Teyla about his assumption and Random Scientist #31 could do the scan!But why use Random Scientist #31 when you can use Radek? If David's available, I'd hope they'd pick him first.

Also...without Radek, we would have missed out on the humorous back and forth between he and Mer.
I hate it when they do stuff like have token appearances just for fanservice. I'd rather he not have been featured in "Reunion" (at least not in the "Let's scan for energy!"-scene) at all!So you hate it when TPTB recognize that fans like a character and use him instead of some random no-name? You might prefer the no-name...I say, gimme as much Radek as you can please.
Episode count so far:
4x01 - Adrift - Is referenced for the first half of the episode, but does not appear or even speak through the radio. He gets some important screen time once he shows up, though.
4x02 - Lifeline - Not that much screen time and not much of it was that important.
4x03 - Reunion - Crappy, stupid and illogical screen time (why was he there with Sam, Rodney, John and Teyla?! What if a bomb had gone off?! And he doesn't even have the gene to operate the scanner he was using!). Obviously fanservice to quell our anger. Perfectly forgetably. In fact, this episode does not count because of the stupidity of his screen time.I think it counts and I'm glad they use him. Again I have to ask...you do understand he's not a lead character, right? Oh I forgot to mention before...the device used didn't require a gene.

I found his screen time to be neither crappy nor illogical. I found it Radeklicious. :)
4x04 - Doppelganger - No screen timeDid you even watch Doppelganger?

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2007/10/first_photos_from_doppelganger_t.shtml

Fourth picture down is a shot of Radek not in Doppelganger. :rolleyes:
All in all, it's 50-50 so far. I'm not saying it's that bad yet, but if more of his screen time will be like that in "Reunion", riots.First of all...it's 75-25 so far. Secondly, riots??? Puhleeze.