Hey, guys. I am starting this thread sort of as a joke. You see, I started a thread in the general discussion board entitled "Technological Pecking Order", an attempt to peck all the races of Stargate according to their scientific and technological level from least to most advanced.
Well, there were some many interesting discussions. Most of the discussions were reasonable, like arguing that perhaps the Aschen were as advanced or more than the Goa'uld, that the Nox might be more advanced than the Asgard, that the Tollan and were more advanced than the Goa'uld, etc. However...enters the poster, "Womble". Well, he said something so incredible that it left me in awe: that the Tollan were at least as advanced if not more than the Ancients!
Now, most things are debatable, but this is just absurd. Canon has stated that the Ancients were:
"The most advanced race that ever existed" and that
"the sheer vastness and power of Ancient technology can never be replicated again."
Then, I pointed out to him that the feats of technology of the Lanteans dwarf those of the Tollan. The Ancients could:
- Turn inanimate objects into living creatures.
- Create weapons capable of seeding an entire galaxy with life, or kill any specific species galaxy wide.
- Freeze and reverse time in a specifc area like you do to a movie in your VCR, while keeping time unaffected outside that area.
- Materialize any object from scratch without the need for chemistry.
- Create and manipulate singularities to travel millions of light years instantly(stargates).
- Create machines the size of molecules that can not only replicate, but assemble themselves intelligently.
- Create weapons that are hybrids of telepathic lifeforms and pure enrgy that are capable of pentrating even the most powerful shields.
- Manufacture entire micro universes with different laws of thermodynamics and extract energy from it(ZPM).
He presented phase-shifting as evidence that the Tollan were more advanced. He even pointed out that the Ancients were not as advanced in holographic projection as the Asgard. Well, there is a difference between not developing nced specific technology because the old one is more practical/cheap/effective and not having it because you can't make it. As an example, we still ue radio, even though it is a technology that is over 100 years old. The Ancients could have much more sophisticated holographic projection technology than the asgard if they wanted to, but they didn't.
So it is pointless to compare the technological prowess of two civilizations by comparing the technologies that they don't have; we need to compare the technologies that they do have. I chose the ZPM as the crowning jewel of Ancient technology, and he chose phase-shifting. Well, I think that manufacturing an entire universe from scratch with(ZPM) it's own laws of physics if far more impressive than controlling a single phenom of physics, which is phase-shifting. Ok, so how many people agree with him that the Tollan were as advanced or more? In my opinion, the Alterrans were much more more advanced. The Tollan are about 800 to 1000 years ahead of the Tau'ri, while the Alterrans were millions of years. Who agrees with me and who agrees with him?
Well, there were some many interesting discussions. Most of the discussions were reasonable, like arguing that perhaps the Aschen were as advanced or more than the Goa'uld, that the Nox might be more advanced than the Asgard, that the Tollan and were more advanced than the Goa'uld, etc. However...enters the poster, "Womble". Well, he said something so incredible that it left me in awe: that the Tollan were at least as advanced if not more than the Ancients!
Now, most things are debatable, but this is just absurd. Canon has stated that the Ancients were:
"The most advanced race that ever existed" and that
"the sheer vastness and power of Ancient technology can never be replicated again."
Then, I pointed out to him that the feats of technology of the Lanteans dwarf those of the Tollan. The Ancients could:
- Turn inanimate objects into living creatures.
- Create weapons capable of seeding an entire galaxy with life, or kill any specific species galaxy wide.
- Freeze and reverse time in a specifc area like you do to a movie in your VCR, while keeping time unaffected outside that area.
- Materialize any object from scratch without the need for chemistry.
- Create and manipulate singularities to travel millions of light years instantly(stargates).
- Create machines the size of molecules that can not only replicate, but assemble themselves intelligently.
- Create weapons that are hybrids of telepathic lifeforms and pure enrgy that are capable of pentrating even the most powerful shields.
- Manufacture entire micro universes with different laws of thermodynamics and extract energy from it(ZPM).
He presented phase-shifting as evidence that the Tollan were more advanced. He even pointed out that the Ancients were not as advanced in holographic projection as the Asgard. Well, there is a difference between not developing nced specific technology because the old one is more practical/cheap/effective and not having it because you can't make it. As an example, we still ue radio, even though it is a technology that is over 100 years old. The Ancients could have much more sophisticated holographic projection technology than the asgard if they wanted to, but they didn't.
So it is pointless to compare the technological prowess of two civilizations by comparing the technologies that they don't have; we need to compare the technologies that they do have. I chose the ZPM as the crowning jewel of Ancient technology, and he chose phase-shifting. Well, I think that manufacturing an entire universe from scratch with(ZPM) it's own laws of physics if far more impressive than controlling a single phenom of physics, which is phase-shifting. Ok, so how many people agree with him that the Tollan were as advanced or more? In my opinion, the Alterrans were much more more advanced. The Tollan are about 800 to 1000 years ahead of the Tau'ri, while the Alterrans were millions of years. Who agrees with me and who agrees with him?
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