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    Ancient Shields or Asgard Shields?

    Which type do you like more???
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    #2
    Originally posted by Athosian Death facilitator View Post
    Which type do you like more???
    Not sure what you mean. Do you mean which is more powerful? If that's what you meant then Ancient shields (like Atlantis) are clearly far superior.
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      #3
      Asgard. I love asgard shields and for the record, Oniel Vs Aurora, Oniel wins on shield strength IMO. Because with NO ZPM, Ancient shields arent great.
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        #4
        Originally posted by Athosian Death facilitator View Post
        Which type do you like more???
        Spoiler:
        Hmmm, Good question!
        The Ancient shields are far superior of that of the Asgards, but it is a power hogg!
        Look at the first strike as an example, as the Apollo was striked by the beam, even with the shields at full strength the ship was critically damaged, now when Atlantis was attacked by the same beam, the city was still in a perfect stage but the beam was causing power depletion.
        I no some might use against me, Different power source, (which obviously makes the difference)….but still Zero Point Modules are specifically made for Ancient technology, so we are agreeing that the Ancient Shields powered by the Ancient power source (HOWEVER, the Asgard shields are powered up by a ,………..well to be honest I am not sure PEOPLE IS THE ASGARD SHIELD ON THE APOLLO, ODYSEEY, OR DEADALUS POWERED BY A GENERATOR OR A ASGARD POWERSOURCE),…From this we can determine the strength of the shields!

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          #5
          Originally posted by immhotep View Post
          Asgard. I love asgard shields and for the record, Oniel Vs Aurora, Oniel wins on shield strength IMO. Because with NO ZPM, Ancient shields arent great.
          No evidence to support the Oniell's shields being stronger than an Aurora's. It's just your opinion that Ancient shields aren't great with ZPMs and actually contradicts the majority of canon which shows Ancients with at the very least military technology are superior. Needless to say the Ancients best shield are far superior to the Asgards.

          We might end up having another argument here lol
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            #6
            Atlantis or city ships with ZPM are far superior to any other types of shielding we've seen. These shields stay active & don't take damage as long as there is power left to run the shield. Whereas 304's with Asgard shields & ZPM's, still take hull damage even though there is power left.

            I see the Asgard ships being the exact same as the 304's. The only exception is they have much better default stronger power sources than the Earth ships. We saw Ha'taks rip a Beliskner class ship with it's 4 Neutrino Ion generators a new one in 'Revelations'.

            Tbh I don't think the Asgard shields are anywhere near as strong as those of the Ancients. Maybe the slight exception is on the warships. The Lanteans were probably forced to chuck them out as quickly as they could. They could force a spare ZPM for each one because they were needed to keep settlements, colonies shielded etc. So the default power source on an Aurora may be the same or weaker than those on an Asgard O'Neill ship. With a ZPM installed though, I don't think it's even in the same league.

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              #7
              The difference between Ancient and Asgard shield tech is in the power source. Atlantis has no shield buffer and its shields will be just as effective after 10 years of continuous bombardment as they were the first day so long as you keep them powered. A ship with the same shield take has a massive advantage over ships that use a buffer.

              The reason a buffer is used on all shields except some Ancient models is power generation. No one else had anything even remotely comparable to a ZPM so they have to build up energy to power the shield in a buffer (like the Ancient Satellite Weapon). It is also a fair bet that the Ancients had superior conduits that could handle the maximum output of a ZPM without harm. This is why Atlantis takes no damage at all when its shields are up but other races ships do, their shields are surging a massive amount of power throughout the ship and the conduits can't handle it so well.

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                #8
                well the daedalus could take a massive corona mass ejection of some sun for awhile but causing alot of heat to the hull...and with a zpm boost..

                but the aurora shields looked like it could take alot of hits from a hive


                its just a question power, a zpm can power anything, no matter what tech its connected too..

                im going with asgard
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                  #9
                  Ancient because they have the advantage of taking massive hits to the sheilds with out causing dammage

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                    #10
                    The Aurora's shields never actually failed, and it took a tremendous amount of fire from that Hive in "No Mans Land". We had to take power away from the shields in order to fire drones, and either way, that ship was several thousand years old and extremely damaged, so we can hardly use it as a reference.

                    We've NEVER seen an O'neill class destroyed on screen, and the only time we've even had a hint about it was in Flesh and Blood when Landry says the Ori "cut through" the Milky Way fleet. We never saw that Asgard warship destroyed.

                    Atlantis has shown the most superior shields in the show of any ship or technological... anything, that we've seen yet. Certainly none of the Asgard ships showed that type of power.
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                      #11
                      Ancient shields, the ones on Atlantis atleast, are better. Not just better than Asgard shields, but better than any shields in any show. They are the ultamite shields. As long as they are getting power, they can never be depleted. They are, basically, invincible providing they have power. For the Ancients it would have been easy, but for us we have the problem of finding the power.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by SGFerrit View Post
                        Ancient shields, the ones on Atlantis atleast, are better. Not just better than Asgard shields, but better than any shields in any show. They are the ultamite shields. As long as they are getting power, they can never be depleted. They are, basically, invincible providing they have power. For the Ancients it would have been easy, but for us we have the problem of finding the power.
                        Uhh, you just described ANY shield system.

                        Our asgard shields need a buffer to fill up only because we don't have a high power system to continually replenish the shields. This isn't a problem wiht a ZPM, or even a Neutrino ion engine drive.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by IcyNeko View Post
                          Uhh, you just described ANY shield system.

                          Our asgard shields need a buffer to fill up only because we don't have a high power system to continually replenish the shields. This isn't a problem wiht a ZPM, or even a Neutrino ion engine drive.
                          False on both counts. The shield system has a buffer that can't be bypassed. It's honestly doubtful that the humans and maybe the Asgard even have the ability to channel the amount of energy we are talking about for bufferless shields. Even Asgard built warships have shield buffers, neutrino ion generators provide no where near the energy needed for an effective bufferless shield.

                          Imagine the power supply as a small river or creek, now the creek is channeled into a pipe which leads to a pond. The pond (the shield buffer) can hold, say, a million gallons of water and the creek can channel in, say, 1 gallon per second. It takes a million seconds for the pond to be filled. The water in the pond can be released as needed and in much greater amounts, say 100,000 gallons per second at most.

                          Now you plug in a ZPM, it is to the original power supply as the Colorado River is to a small back yard creek. The "ZPM" can release, say, 100,000 gallons of water per second. But the pipe connecting it to the pond can only carry 10 gallons per second. The pond fills quicker and stays full longer but it is still needed.

                          Now let's look at the Atlantis system. It's pipe can handle 100,000 gallons of water per second. So why build the pond when you don't need to build up water? You don't, its a waste.

                          /Sorry about rambling and bad analogies.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by IcyNeko View Post
                            Uhh, you just described ANY shield system.
                            No, I didn't. On every other ship I have seen, the shields always fail eventually, no matter how much power they are recieving.

                            Take for example, the U.S.S Voyager. When hit enough times, it's shields fail. However, that is not to say their is insufficient power. The warp core is still there powering the ship. However, the shields can only take so much. Atlantis' shield can last forever, providing it is recieving power.

                            For a Stargate related example, take the odyssey. It had a ZPM powering it, but after a number of Ori blasts, the shields failed. However, the ZPM was far from depleted, it still had enough power to create a time dilation field for 40 years (Atleast I think it was 40 years). The shields just couldn't take anymore. Even with ZPMs, they have a limit. Atlantis is the only shield I have seen which doesn't have a limit, and can last indefinitely on the condition that it has power.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Emperor Tippy View Post
                              False on both counts. The shield system has a buffer that can't be bypassed. It's honestly doubtful that the humans and maybe the Asgard even have the ability to channel the amount of energy we are talking about for bufferless shields. Even Asgard built warships have shield buffers, neutrino ion generators provide no where near the energy needed for an effective bufferless shield.

                              Imagine the power supply as a small river or creek, now the creek is channeled into a pipe which leads to a pond. The pond (the shield buffer) can hold, say, a million gallons of water and the creek can channel in, say, 1 gallon per second. It takes a million seconds for the pond to be filled. The water in the pond can be released as needed and in much greater amounts, say 100,000 gallons per second at most.

                              Now you plug in a ZPM, it is to the original power supply as the Colorado River is to a small back yard creek. The "ZPM" can release, say, 100,000 gallons of water per second. But the pipe connecting it to the pond can only carry 10 gallons per second. The pond fills quicker and stays full longer but it is still needed.

                              Now let's look at the Atlantis system. It's pipe can handle 100,000 gallons of water per second. So why build the pond when you don't need to build up water? You don't, its a waste.

                              /Sorry about rambling and bad analogies.
                              Essentially what you're saying is the "pipes" (or conduits) which feed the "ponds" (shield buffers) are bigger in an Ancient shield system than an Asgards', giving it a seemingly "bufferless" effect. Okay. But this only suggests a different design; it does not describe the inability of an Asgard energy source to power its shields continuously at 100% once a direct connection is established. What you're basically describing is a bottleneck system on O'neill-class Asgard ships.
                              Last edited by randy23; 27 August 2007, 07:55 PM.

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