Stargate forces at Helm's Deep

[Mister Oragahn]

Context: LOTR movies.

A few SG forces are allied to Anubis' forces in a desperates attempt to protect Helm's Deep.

The Mordor forces must not be allowed to reach the highest level of the city, where lies a stargate.

All elves and humans are replaced by Jaffas.

Each Jaffas carries a standard staff weapon and a zat gun.
There's a total of 10 stun grenades they can use.

Anubis also dispatched the following reinforcements:

- 3 Kull warriors.
- 2 Ashraks (Goa'uld assassins). Each one equipped with a dagger, a personnal invisible cloaking field, a hand device and a red laser finger weapon. These two latest devices can't be used while cloaked.
- 6 shielded and armed probes.

There's 10 heavy staff cannons placed all along the main lower fortress wall.
Stonethrowers are replaced with staff cannon towers (as those used to defend Hathor's base).

All heroes of some sort are removed, and replaced by 5 SG teams, including SG-1.

Each SG team has, besides close combat blades, the following weapons:

4 FN P-90 rifles. Standard model. Unlimited ammo, but they have to recharge of course.
1 M24A2 Sniper Weapon System. A total of 5 magazines with .300 Winchester Magnum rounds.
2 AT4-CS rocket launchers. One round each.
1 M224 mortar, with 20 HE rounds.

Will the army of Sauron break into the city?

[wolfax]

If the Army of Sauron is in the 10's of 1000's then the defenders have no hope.
It is a matter of time before the invaders find a way in or otherwise around the defenders. Look up history the real 300 were excellent to the front, but when the Persians found away around the 300 were smoked.

[Emperor Tippy]

Um, no. Hell the 2 staff weapon turrets would most likely be able to stop Sauron's forces.

EDIT: Let's put Sauron's forces at a hundred thousand and the Helms Deep forces at 5,000 (outnumbered 20 to 1). Let's make the wall at Helms deep 1,000 meters long. The mountains protect the flanks meaning that a frontal assault is the only possible way to take the position. Even at a density of 1 combatant per meter along the wall only 1,000 of Sauron's forces can attack at any given time. They are also fairly cramped meaning that the defenders don't really need to aim. Staff weapons mean that the defenders have superior range, firepower, and ammunition.

It would be a blood bath and it wouldn't surprise me if no member of Sauron's forces got within 10 meters of the wall.

[wolfax]

The 300 had the same advantage in regards to a frontal defense (narrow pass, keeping the #'s attacking to a small percentage of the enemies total forces), there is always a back door, it is the situation of finding a way through that back door. The mountain is that back door.

[theboywonder]

by the time they climb a mountain and go through the back the battle will be over. mountains dont have backdoors

[wolfax]

by the time they climb a mountain and go through the back the battle will be over. mountains dont have backdoors

Back door is an expression meaning finding another way in. And the frontal assault would be timed so a group of Special forces or smaller significiant force penetrating from the mountain would coincide with the frontal assualt. Suaron can communicate with the "mountaneers" via telepathy or the "EYE" device.

[Xzyl]

The staff cannons and towers could almost win this by themselves. 20 to 1 is not a big enough advantage to help Sauron's forces. Even if the Jaffa were cut down to 500 it would sitll be lopsided in their favor. They will never need to touch the human weapons or need the reinforcements.

If your going to do a vs fight at least balance it so it can at least be interesting.

[Ouroboros]

Did the Orcs have archers at all? I don't remember. I think they're pretty much screwed either way but if they have archers they might actually kill someone before they loose.

[fugiman]

No they will not lose first because SG-1 never loses

Second becuause Kull Warriors would be more then enough to kill all of them seeing as how they are near immortal.

Also Mr. O why did you start this topic sounds like something I would ask?

[Mister Oragahn]

The staff cannons and towers could almost win this by themselves. 20 to 1 is not a big enough advantage to help Sauron's forces. Even if the Jaffa were cut down to 500 it would sitll be lopsided in their favor. They will never need to touch the human weapons or need the reinforcements.

If your going to do a vs fight at least balance it so it can at least be interesting.

Most stargate forces use ranged weapons. I admit, however, that this scenario is not the one I'm really looking for. More an introduction to the one I wanted to suggest.

What made the defenders at Helm's Deep being on the brink of defeat was the sheer number of Uruks and the use of explosives they didn't expect. Besides, the archers couldn't kill enough enemy soldiers, so they managed to put ladders on the wall and get inside the fortress.
They also used heavy ballistas:



Isengard's forces were ultimately defeated because of the cavalry reinforcements brought by Gandalf and that other guy.

These reinforcements aren't present in this scenario.

[Crazy Tom]

o but u have to remember those staff towers.
and that jaffa are superior to humans in every way.
and the zats.

[Vampyr]

Hate to nit-pick, but the P-90's classified as a Personal Defense Weapon/Sub-Machine Gun. Not a full-size rifle.

[Crazy Tom]

what i'm saying is that the staff cannons are gonna make a lot of stuff go boom.
and the zats have a prety high firing rate. so a good anty personel weapos.

[theboywonder]

Back door is an expression meaning finding another way in. And the frontal assault would be timed so a group of Special forces or smaller significiant force penetrating from the mountain would coincide with the frontal assualt. Suaron can communicate with the "mountaneers" via telepathy or the "EYE" device.

dude u cant go through a flippin mountain

[wolfax]

Did the Orcs have archers at all? I don't remember. I think they're pretty much screwed either way but if they have archers they might actually kill someone before they loose.

Yes they had archers, but, I admit that the staff weapons are of longer range.