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    Ori ships in unending (spoilers)

    Maybe this has been answered before, but I can´t find it.
    How did the ori ships get to Orilla? If they have intergalaxy hyperdrives why did they need the supergate?

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    3 ships were there

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      #3
      Clearly Ori ships do have intergalactic hyperdrive. But for travelling to the MW from the home galaxy, they need the Supergate because it is an incredibly long distance to travel.

      The MW is in the same local group of galaxies as Ida. The Ori home galaxy is logically in a different group, maybe even in another supercluster.

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        Originally posted by Vandaley View Post
        Maybe this has been answered before, but I can´t find it.
        How did the ori ships get to Orilla? If they have intergalaxy hyperdrives why did they need the supergate?
        It's been asked & answered numerous times before.

        In 'Avalon' it's said that the Alterans went on a journey across the universe that took 1000's fo years before they found Earth. Therefore the simple fact is that their home galaxy is too far away to consider using the hyperdrive. They want to conquer the MW galaxy, but what good would it be if their ships took 10'a to 100's of years to get to it in the 1st place. When they could siomply use a supergate & get to it in a matter of seconds.

        304's have an Asgard hyperdrive & a ZPM to boost it to top speed. Yet in the movie they will also use the supergate. The simple answer is that it's too far away to be accessible by hyperdrive.

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          the real question is how did the Ori know about asgard's intensions in Unending? How did they know the Asgard wanted to give humans all their technology and knowledge?

          one thing is to have a intergalactic hyperdrive but the other thing is to know where you want to go.
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            #6
            Originally posted by g.o.d View Post
            the real question is how did the Ori know about asgard's intensions in Unending? How did they know the Asgard wanted to give humans all their technology and knowledge?

            one thing is to have a intergalactic hyperdrive but the other thing is to know where you want to go.
            Plot hole unless Adria was actively allowed to send the Priors information on the exact whereabouts of Odyssey in the 1st place. Simply because when they traveled to IDA they wouldn't have known they were going to another galaxy.

            Then came the Asgard tech. If the Ori could detect it so quickly, then how come they didn't go before then & pay the Asgard a little visit.

            There is only 2 ways, aplot-hole to allow them to fill the ep the way they wanted. Either that or Adria was giving them inside information as to the whereabouts of everything. However I don't think the Ancients would have allowed her to use her abilities inside the MW, just like they did with Anubis. However it's probably the only way to write the episode in that they wanted. Otherwise if there was no immediate threat then they couldn't have had the Asgard suddenly blow themselves up. However it would have been more realistic to have had the Ori ships scanning the MW, then being able to detect ships traveling in HS. This way they could explain it away that's how the Ori always knew where they were going. Especially since after the events in 'The Ark of Truth'.

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              Originally posted by g.o.d View Post
              the real question is how did the Ori know about asgard's intensions in Unending? How did they know the Asgard wanted to give humans all their technology and knowledge?

              one thing is to have a intergalactic hyperdrive but the other thing is to know where you want to go.
              Ida was never shielded from the Ori in the first place.

              If the Ori knew about the Asgard all along, they probably figured going after them would be a waste of time. Back in the day, the Asgard didn't pose any threat to the Ori since they're just too far away. The Asgard were roughly the Ori's technological equal. And if the Ori did manage to beat the Asgard, the Asgard would never worship them.
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                #8
                Originally posted by g.o.d View Post
                the real question is how did the Ori know about asgard's intensions in Unending? How did they know the Asgard wanted to give humans all their technology and knowledge?

                one thing is to have a intergalactic hyperdrive but the other thing is to know where you want to go.
                Maybe they somehow had captured an Asgard. Through torture, they learned of the Asgard's intentions.
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                  #9
                  I think Adria or the Ori told priors to follow them. It's the only logical assumption. They have been cheating ascended rules
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                    #10
                    The Asgard can track all hyperspace activity around earth and track the ships, seen in 'prometheus' it isn't absurd to think the Ori could do the same. Just because they haven't attacked Earth doesn't mean they're not keeping tabs on it. They most likely didn't know the Asgards intentions, they were just tracking the ships. The only problem I see with that idea is why they wouldn't have tracked other Earth ships and shown up in Pegasus but that would be something the writers would just simply overlook imo.

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                      #11
                      I doubt that the Priors have forgotten that the Asgard vessel put up the biggest fight in Camelot.

                      It's very possible that the Ori discovered Ida's location from Daniel's mind (and it all it would really take is a memory of the eighth symbol, Danny's got a good memory for Gate symbols). In that case, if the Prior's sensors detect a ship leaving the MW in Ida's direction, naturally they are going to be concerned and will follow. It's probable that with more ships in the galaxy, they were doing more to keep tabs on Earth ships.

                      Whereas if they detected Daedalus' Pegasus trips, they wouldn't bother since Pegasus doesn't concern them ; all the better, since it means one less Earth ship moving pesky humans around.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by YodaMate View Post
                        Clearly Ori ships do have intergalactic hyperdrive. But for travelling to the MW from the home galaxy, they need the Supergate because it is an incredibly long distance to travel.

                        The MW is in the same local group of galaxies as Ida. The Ori home galaxy is logically in a different group, maybe even in another supercluster.
                        The home galaxy of the Valonians(their name before they split into Alterans and Ori and then into Lanteans in the Pegasus Galaxy) is roughly 6 billion light-years years away from Earth. To give you an idea of how much that is in miles, multiply 6.5 trillion by 6 billion. This distance is so montrous that, an Ancient city-ship, powered with 3 ZPMs and with the star-drive to the max, would still take a few centuries to cross. Imagine the distance between the Milky Way and the Pegasus Galaxy, then multiply it by two thousand times! It is literally on the other side of the Universe. The distance is so colossal that they had to fuel the stargate with the power of a black hole, because even ZPMs cannot supply the power necessary for the stargate to cross such distance!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Wraith_Boy View Post
                          It's been asked & answered numerous times before.

                          In 'Avalon' it's said that the Alterans went on a journey across the universe that took 1000's fo years before they found Earth. Therefore the simple fact is that their home galaxy is too far away to consider using the hyperdrive. They want to conquer the MW galaxy, but what good would it be if their ships took 10'a to 100's of years to get to it in the 1st place. When they could siomply use a supergate & get to it in a matter of seconds.

                          304's have an Asgard hyperdrive & a ZPM to boost it to top speed. Yet in the movie they will also use the supergate. The simple answer is that it's too far away to be accessible by hyperdrive.
                          Exactly. The hyper-drive was created for intra-galactic travel, not for inter-galactic travel. Extremely technologically advanced races, like the Alterans and the Asgard, can use hyper-drive to travel to other galaxies within times that are realistic for the life-span of a living being, but only if they are neighbor galaxies. Trying to travel to galaxies that are 3 or 4 galaxies away is impossible with hyper-drive in the life-span of a person. Now, the Ori galaxy is hundreds if not thousands of galaxies away!

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by NoobTau'ri View Post
                            The home galaxy of the Valonians(their name before they split into Alterans and Ori and then into Lanteans in the Pegasus Galaxy) is roughly 6 billion light-years years away from Earth. To give you an idea of how much that is in miles, multiply 6.5 trillion by 6 billion. This distance is so montrous that, an Ancient city-ship, powered with 3 ZPMs and with the star-drive to the max, would still take a few centuries to cross. Imagine the distance between the Milky Way and the Pegasus Galaxy, then multiply it by two thousand times! It is literally on the other side of the Universe. The distance is so colossal that they had to fuel the stargate with the power of a black hole, because even ZPMs cannot supply the power necessary for the stargate to cross such distance!
                            Wait, what? Where did you get this stuff from?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by NoobTau'ri View Post
                              The home galaxy of the Valonians(their name before they split into Alterans and Ori and then into Lanteans in the Pegasus Galaxy) is roughly 6 billion light-years years away from Earth. To give you an idea of how much that is in miles, multiply 6.5 trillion by 6 billion. This distance is so montrous that, an Ancient city-ship, powered with 3 ZPMs and with the star-drive to the max, would still take a few centuries to cross. Imagine the distance between the Milky Way and the Pegasus Galaxy, then multiply it by two thousand times! It is literally on the other side of the Universe. The distance is so colossal that they had to fuel the stargate with the power of a black hole, because even ZPMs cannot supply the power necessary for the stargate to cross such distance!
                              Heh nice name though don't think thats what they would call themselves but a great name; Valonians heh I really hope we get a name for the Ori home galaxy in the movie, perhaps even reuse the term Kalium which was in the movie though I suppose they probably won't for copyright issues etc.


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