I would have to say that they are, in the sense that they made the death ray with the stargate attached to it. But then they will never reach a higher plane so is that the altiment advancement?
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Originally posted by Lord batchi ball View PostI would have to say that they are, in the sense that they made the death ray with the stargate attached to it. But then they will never reach a higher plane so is that the altiment advancement?
Apparently the Asurans are stuck at the moment. They want to ascend in order to equal their creators, but they don't know how. That would indicate that they're still not equivalent to the Lanteans, even though they want to be.Jarnin's Law of StarGate:
1. As a StarGate discussion grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning the Furlings approaches one.
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Asurans can make anything the Ancients ever did, but much faster.
So they are more powerful than the Ancients.
They cannot yet Ascend.
If the Ori did not have Ascended beings backing them up, the Asurans would be a far more formidable enemy.
The Atlantis team is going be in huge trouble, even if they get the latest Asgard technology. They are vastly out numbered. They will have to come up with ingenious ways to win.
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Originally posted by Jarnin View PostAn emulation cannot surpass that which it is emulating. The Asurans are nothing more than a copy of the Lanteans. That includes the Lanteans' technology, culture and so on.
Apparently the Asurans are stuck at the moment. They want to ascend in order to equal their creators, but they don't know how. That would indicate that they're still not equivalent to the Lanteans, even though they want to be.
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Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostAsurans can make anything the Ancients ever did, but much faster.
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostSo they are more powerful than the Ancients.
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostThey cannot yet Ascend.
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostIf the Ori did not have Ascended beings backing them up, the Asurans would be a far more formidable enemy.
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostThe Atlantis team is going be in huge trouble, even if they get the latest Asgard technology.
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostThey are vastly out numbered.
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostThey will have to come up with ingenious ways to win.Jarnin's Law of StarGate:
1. As a StarGate discussion grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning the Furlings approaches one.
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They are REPLICATORS, nobody can built ships faster. They already proved this, in a couple of months they had 30+ ships ready!
Even the Ori could not hope to match that.
Machines are superior at building machines.
They are thinking and learning machines...
They are thus a more powerful enemy than the Ancients! Only saving grace: They cannot built ships as fast as the ML replicators (who could build a ship in a few seconds!), but the Asurans are more advanced having all the Ancient knowledge.
Niam was pretty sure he can Ascend, just needed a changing of the base code. Now weather Obleroth (sp?) or the Council wants that is another question.
There were some spoilers for Season 4: 7 Hives and the Daedalus and the Apollo taking on the Replicators. I believe it was John saying if that is all the Hives they could get. Implying they were facing a massive Asuran fleet.Last edited by JSPuddlejumper; 26 July 2007, 04:42 PM.
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Originally posted by Lord batchi ball View PostThey have been created in the image of the Lanteans but they are just a Lifeform that is made of multiple blocks, they can reason, feel and have emotions and most important they are free thinking.
Second, they're an emulated lifeform, not a genuine lifeform.
Third, their reasoning is emulated.
Fourth, their feelings are emulated.
Fifth, their emotions are emulated.
Sixth, their will is emulated.Jarnin's Law of StarGate:
1. As a StarGate discussion grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning the Furlings approaches one.
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Well, I wouldn't put it more advanced, but rather utilize all of their knowledge and technology. But to put it simply, yes, you could consider the Asurans more advanced than the Ancients. Although the Ancients already had their own version of the Asuran satellite (Redemption) and they definitely could have built a mega city if they had the time and resources. More advanced, not really. Smarter and more practical, definitely.Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth or easy...
... or that any man can measure the tides and hurricanes he will
encounter on the strange journey.
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2 Cor. 10:3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; )
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
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Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostThey are REPLICATORS, nobody can built ships faster.
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostThey already proved this, in a couple of months they had 30+ ships ready!
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostEven the Ori could not hope to match that.
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostMachines are superior at building machines.
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostThey are thinking and learning machines...
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostThey are thus a more powerful enemy than the Ancients!
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostOnly saving grace: They cannot built ships as fast as the ML replicators (who could build a ship in a few seconds!), but the Asurans are more advanced having all the Ancient knowledge.
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostNiam was pretty sure he can Ascend, just needed a changing of the base code.
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostNow weather Obleroth (sp?) or the Council wants that is another question.
Obleroth = Oberoth.
Apparently Oberoth and the others still feel they haven't accomplished everything up to ascension.
Originally posted by JSPuddlejumper View PostThere were some spoilers for Season 4: 7 Hives and the Daedalus and the Apollo taking on the Replicators. I believe it was John saying if that is all the Hives they could get. Implying they were facing a massive Asuran fleet.Jarnin's Law of StarGate:
1. As a StarGate discussion grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning the Furlings approaches one.
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They emulate the Ancients, but built a city more grand than anything we have evidence the Ancients made. They can repair highly damaged things remarkably fast, probably meaning they can do the same with constructing ships. They seemed to have met the Ancient's level of technology before they left, if not surpassed it, just because you try to be like a race doesnt mean your stuck at that technological level forever or until the race you emulate comes back and proceeds onwards.Their white flags are no match to our guns!!
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Originally posted by Jarnin View PostFirst, they weren't created in the image of the Lanteans, they emulated the Lanteans.
Second, they're an emulated lifeform, not a genuine lifeform.
Third, their reasoning is emulated.
Fourth, their feelings are emulated.
Fifth, their emotions are emulated.
Sixth, their will is emulated.
In the episode entity a computer based life infects Carter they said it was a life form, and in Glactica the machines eventually became some what human and in the process became more advaced.
What I am trying to prove that they in time can become more advanced because they indepently grow.
And the Asurans never have to sleep so they could work forever
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They ARE replicators, build from many trillions of nanites.
They have bettered the Ancients technologically:
Far grander than the Ancients in their construction (of their home world), according to the Asurans. To reach the level of the Ancients, Niam said they must Ascend.
Another example of Asuran technological superiority:
Asurans satellite cannot be destroyed, immensely powerful and a sustained beam. Compare that the Ancient satellite: takes a lot of time to power up and was easily destroyed.
Ancients vs Asurans round 2: couple of 100 Asurans easily defeated about 100 Ancients of the Tria. The Ancients seems quite hapless and inept at war, possibly even worse than the Asgard.
Ex: Commander of Tria did not raise shields when the Asuran approached Atlantis, she ASSUMED too much. She should have someone ready to the launch the drones ASAP as well.
The Earthlings now with Asgard tech would have likely destroyed the Ancients of old.
P.S: I do not see why you are having trouble understanding that machines can build other machines much faster. It is very simple logic and deduction. It is observed in the real world as well.Last edited by JSPuddlejumper; 26 July 2007, 07:24 PM.
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I agree with JSpuddlejumper but the satelite only had an impregnable shield because it never would have ran out of energy until the gate shut down cutting off energy it took from the beam. We dont know if the Lagrange point defense satelites had a shield, it was possible they did but it was damaged beyond a timely repair or they just couldnt give enough energy to power the beam and the shield at the same time.
But the Asurans have slightly more impressive technology than the Ancients had.Their white flags are no match to our guns!!
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Originally posted by Jarnin View PostI have no idea where you're pulling that "30+ ships" figure from.All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing-Edmund Burke
The question which once haunted my being has been answered. The future is not fixed, and my choices are my own... and yet, how ironic! For I now find, I have no choice at all! I am warrior... let the battle be joined.-Dinobot-Code of Hero
Don't blame me, I voted Cthulhu
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Assuming that the Ancient satellite had shields before (solid assumption), it would have no where near the shield strength of the Asuran one (with their nearly unlimited ZPMs). Asuran one was clearly so much better. It is better than anything built before, it was INDESTRUCTIBLE.
Just looked at the tape:
There were 6 targets and each target had about 5-7 ships each. They started building 2 months ago.
That was from the footage taken 3 weeks ago by the Daedalus! They could have added a few more ships I would think, considering their building speed.
So 30 ships is a very low ball number. It could be as high as 60 ships.
Assuming they were building no more ships, at most they would have 42 ships.
They could have had 60 ships for all we know if they started building more ships in those 3 weeks since the photos were taken. Another indication why in season 4 that JS was disappointed that only 7 Hives join them.
Even though we destroyed all their construction facilities, shipyards, materials, the Asurans build ultra fast. They could have a fleet of at least 20 ships facing against 7 Hives+Daedalus and Apollo.
Another example of Asuran building speed: Atlantis main tower got destroyed in a huge explosion (the bomb set off by the Atlantis team), Asurans built it all back in less than 2 hours! Humans would have needed many weeks to repair it!
So the Atlantis team is fighting an enemy that is technologically superior to the Ancients, even if only slightly and can built much faster than the Ancients. The Milky Way replicators very nearly destroyed the Asgard and the humans. Even though the Asgard eventually had planetary wide anti replicator weapons (somethings the Ancients clearly did not have).
If the Atlantis team takes on the replicators by brute force instead of ingenuity, they will lose. They need the planetary wide anti replicator weapons to really have any effect. The Asurans may also decide to spread to other planets, knowing that Earth has AR weapons and launch an attack on Earth. They could also adopt to the frequency of the AR weapons.
All in all, they have found an enemy that makes the Wraith look like toddlers. Only the Ori, because of Ascended help may be a bigger threat.
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