SG Universe should have a F302 Carrier

[McSwift]

Do you guys think that SGA should get a new type of ship. Instead of having capabilties like the DSC304, we have a ship like an aircraft carrier with many F302s?

[Col. Matarrese]

Do you guys think that SGA should get a new type of ship. Instead of having capabilties like the DSC304, we have a ship like an aircraft carrier with many F302s?

it isn't what we need right now. We need battle cruisers, not carriers for low end fighter craft with mediocre pilots.

[IcyNeko]

A carrier is a cruel thing to have if it doesn't have enough shields. If the carrier is lost, the 302's going to haev a long flight home. Long. really long.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

Don't think Earth has anywhere near the population or interstellar state capabilities to risk pilots against enemies that are most likely both technologically superior as well as outnumbering Earth.

[2ndgenerationalteran]

At best a F302 is a support vehical, you can't expect them or any other fighters for that matter to change the tides of a space battle. Against Hives, maybe but the number of darts outnumber the 302s we can put out. A carrier would be useful if we are invading a planet, though but that doesn't fit us. Thinking logically though, its size will allow a lot of room for weapons turrets, but the power requirements should be quite large. Maybe later as our Capital ship, but that seems to have pretty much been given to the Odyssey.

[ManiacMike]

Carriers should not be on front of the list of ships we need, but maybe somewhere in the middle.

Right now we need war ships.

Then maybe some cruisers.


THEN we can use carriers when they are companied by warships.

Carriers in war are usually cannon fodder because they have limited offensive capabilities.

[Exiled Master]

Carriers should not be on front of the list of ships we need, but maybe somewhere in the middle.

Right now we need war ships.

Then maybe some cruisers.


THEN we can use carriers when they are companied by warships.

Carriers in war are usually cannon fodder because they have limited offensive capabilities.

Carriers are by no means cannon fodder, but they do need to be protected.

[McSwift]

A carrier is a cruel thing to have if it doesn't have enough shields. If the carrier is lost, the 302's going to haev a long flight home. Long. really long.

Look. Battlestar Galactica or Pegasus is a pretty huge ship with alot of firepower. No shields, and can handle a firefight.

Daedalus held off a dozen hive ships and support ships in 2x01 for several minutes no problem.

Odyssey and Korelev handled an Ori ship, although did horribly, lasted just as long too.



If anything, now since we have Asgard Tech, and Asgard Shields. I'm sure we can handle ourselves now. I'm pretty sure a carrier should would be best used in Atlantis, where F302s have been proven as a valuable resource to use against the Wraith.

BTW. Remember that the new Asgard Shields held up against the Ori in Unending.

[wise one]

right now i think we have transport ships but the oddessy is kinda like a super defence transport ship

earth needs to make a ship that can go into war and destroy other ships and once we fould a way to make crazy energy weapon maybe knowledge from the ancients or asgard then we will certainly rock!!!!!

[MechaThor]

Yeah we have one. Its called the Odessey! Which is not only a battleship but also a carrier fro F-302s. However i think we should instaed build bigger and more powerful battle ships with advanced weapons than have a fleet of carriers. Also small Alkesh like bombs would be cool.

[Jimbo-DR]

Everyone is thinking of very linear terms on this. In Star trek, they could build a constitution class Hull, which is old compared to next Gen ships, but if they put the most advanced weaponry and shields on it, it could easily be a match for Next Gen ships. With the limited resources we have anyway, why bother building something so crappy?

I mean, we could build the carrier, and then say, well, you know, it really wouldn't be that hard to put Beam weapons on the sides and maybe upgrade the shields, why not do that?

The shape and "Class" of the ship really mean nothing, it's the subsystems that mean everything.

[ManiacMike]

Look. Battlestar Galactica or Pegasus is a pretty huge ship with alot of firepower. No shields, and can handle a firefight.

Daedalus held off a dozen hive ships and support ships in 2x01 for several minutes no problem.

Odyssey and Korelev handled an Ori ship, although did horribly, lasted just as long too.



If anything, now since we have Asgard Tech, and Asgard Shields. I'm sure we can handle ourselves now. I'm pretty sure a carrier should would be best used in Atlantis, where F302s have been proven as a valuable resource to use against the Wraith.

BTW. Remember that the new Asgard Shields held up against the Ori in Unending.

It also had a zpm in it.

we dont have a big supply of those.

[VSHARMA]

The DSC is a Carrier

D=DEEP

S=SPACE

C=CARRIER

It carriers 16 F302's

[spacecowboy000]

Look. Battlestar Galactica or Pegasus is a pretty huge ship with alot of firepower. No shields, and can handle a firefight.

Daedalus held off a dozen hive ships and support ships in 2x01 for several minutes no problem.

Odyssey and Korelev handled an Ori ship, although did horribly, lasted just as long too.



If anything, now since we have Asgard Tech, and Asgard Shields. I'm sure we can handle ourselves now. I'm pretty sure a carrier should would be best used in Atlantis, where F302s have been proven as a valuable resource to use against the Wraith.

BTW. Remember that the new Asgard Shields held up against the Ori in Unending.

The main idea behind a battlestar is the concept of a battle wagon. A ship designed to not only deploy large amounts of fighters, but to also provide fire support and engage capital ships. The Wraith Hiveships are designed in this way. The 304's primary objective is capital ship combat with fighter deployment as a secondary objective. In that respect it has more in common with Wraith cruiser. I believe perhaps one maybe two (one in MW & one in Pegasus) Earth designed battle wagons should be considered in the future, but for now Earth should concentrate on the creation of 304's on a cost/gain analysis.

[Wraith_Boy]

Do you guys think that SGA should get a new type of ship. Instead of having capabilties like the DSC304, we have a ship like an aircraft carrier with many F302s?

It would be a total waste. Firstly they are lacking any proper warships. Which is a far more valuable thing to have in a firefight.

302's have no energy weapons, shields or any of the rest. Hives carry many hundreds of the things. So even if you built a huge ass ship that had 50 or whatever of them. Do you think they'd be able to take on a few hundred Darts at least, combined with multiple turret blasts every few seconds.

They would take out some but they'd be massacred. Just look at 'No Man's Land' & see how easy they took Shep out in the space of a few secs. A 304 can't take even a single Wraith hit or it's goodnight.

302's are only good for something like a bombing run or whatever. Why use 302's to protect or take out Darts, when you can install rail guns all over it & fire 10,000+ rounds a minute from each one at them all.

If the carrier went up, then the 302's would be screwed if there wasn't a nearby planet. We've never seen a proper dedicated fighter carrier from anybody thus far & for good reason. The only way they should even consider it would be if they could fit it with energy weapons, Wraith beaming technology, Asgard beaming technology, shields & power source, hyperdrive & cloaking generator. If they could do that, then it would be worth considering because each new breed of fighter would be a match for anything that they came up against.

As things stand, it'd be a terrible waste of resources. The priority for the forseeable future would be to build up as many warships as possible. If not a new breed, then at least upgraded 304's equal to Odyssey (minus the ZPM of course).

Look. Battlestar Galactica or Pegasus is a pretty huge ship with alot of firepower. No shields, and can handle a firefight.

Daedalus held off a dozen hive ships and support ships in 2x01 for several minutes no problem.

Odyssey and Korelev handled an Ori ship, although did horribly, lasted just as long too.

If anything, now since we have Asgard Tech, and Asgard Shields. I'm sure we can handle ourselves now. I'm pretty sure a carrier should would be best used in Atlantis, where F302s have been proven as a valuable resource to use against the Wraith.

BTW. Remember that the new Asgard Shields held up against the Ori in Unending.

BSG is set in an entirely different universe, so because that show has something doesn't make it exactly equal for anything that goes on in Stargate land! Not to mention they don't have multiple Aliens with incredible powerful weapons contantly fired at them in any firefight.

In 2x01, if you watch it, hardly any of the ships were firing at it never mind all of them. In 2x20, it got it's ass kicked by 2 very quickly. In 3x01, it got it's ass severely kicked again. So simply put it can't handle Hives without any serious problems. The only time they got lucky resulted in a single hit & it took every missile they had in order to achive it, leaving them out of ammo & defenceless if anything else had happened like another ship suddely appearing or whatever.

Daedalus could have been easily destroyed in 2x20, it was the Hives who left it alive for whatever reason. Simply put, 304's cannot handle Hives until they get energy weapons & a little power upgrade to boost the shields.

Odyssey & Korolev didn't do anything other than pointlessly fire their weapons in vain. Also they didn't 'last' as you put it. They weren't taking constant fire. The Ori ships were taking on 20/30+ allied ships so the weapons fire was being spread out between them. Odyssey took 2 hits & it was totally on it's back. Korolev took 3 & it was gone. That's not called 'lasting', 'surviving', 'fighting' or whatever term you may think it justifies. Odyssey had a ZPM in 10x20 & it still took a heck of a beating from the Ori ships.

Lastly the 304's have always had the same shields since they were first introduced in S2 of Atlantis. They didn't magically get brand new shields in 'Unending'! The shields were the exact same as the one Daedalus sporeted in Atlantis 2x01. What they had over the other 304's was the ZPM to boost the shields to full power.

That's why they were given the ZPM in 'Echoes'.

"WEIR: OK, how about the Odyssey then? They’re getting the other ZPM to help them in their fight against the Ori."

The 304's have always had the same shields, they've simply lacked a proper power source to run the Asgard technology to it's maximum potential like the shields, hyperdrive etc. Remove the ZPM & it's shields go back down regulation strength.

The end up is that carriers with 302's as they are an incredible waste of resources & time. If you were gonna build a huge ship, then why not cut that & build 2 304's. Equip them with energy weapons & send them out to multiple locations. Why bother building a huge 1/2km+ ship to ferry 302's that can only carry a few warheads each, a small number of bullets & virtually nothing else. A single hit from a Wraith weapon & it's done. It has no shield, no energy weapons, no cloak, no beaming tech, no hyperdrive or anything.

Then comes the next point, 50 or whatever 302's getting launched from it, when a Hive rolls up & deploys many many hundred opposing fighters that don't need to worry about their weapons running out of ammo.

The Asurans are the main threat, Wraith are contained in Pegasus. Asurans are building ships to wipe out Earth & the human population. Yet they would consider wasting all their time & resources building a carrier ship for crappy little fighters. 304 missiles can't even damage Goa'uld shields correctly. So 302's would be pointless against any sort of shielded target.

If they are facing a horde of enemy Darts, the best & only proper tactic was what Caldwell suggested in 2x01. That was to fire all the rail guns at them! Rail guns can fire 10,000+ round per minute each at the very least. Use all them on the 304 to mow the Darets to pieces & you save yourself billions of dollars, many, many, many months in construction time & enough resources to build 2/3/4 304's that they can outfit with the Asgard weapons & all the rest.

In real life, if someone suggested wasting such resources on a secondary enemy that are no real threat to you in your home galaxy. While another enemy that can attack & wipe you out easily whenever they wanted is left free to their own schemes to take you out, then honestly, that person would be fired/sacked straight away for incompetence!

The Asurans are the main threat to not only Atlantis but also Earth. They need to get as many ships as they can for when the time comes that they'll be doing battle. That is & should always be their only priority!