supergate to normal gate

[Asuran]

This is my first thread here so if its in the wrong place then you can move it.

Anyways, Ive always been wondering what would happen when a normal gate is connected to a supergate and a person walks through the normal gate? Will the person become bigger because of the supergate or will he stay the same size? And also if a ship flies through the super gate, will it come out small at the normal gate or only a small portion of the ship come out?

Thanx

[mikeroq]

A normal stargate cannot connect to a supergate. The only reason a normal gate is connected to the supergate is cause the wormhole jumped to the supergate. Sending matter through it would not work.

[Icedragon]

What about the same principle as the ship on the Tollan gate. Wasn't that smaller? If something went through a normal gate (grazing the edges) would part of it not re-materialize?

[Asuran]

A normal stargate cannot connect to a supergate. The only reason a normal gate is connected to the supergate is cause the wormhole jumped to the supergate. Sending matter through it would not work.

But if they cant connect by dialing then why would it jump to the supergate. Wouldnt it jump to the closest normal gate pursumaly (spelling) on another planet?

[Battera]

What about the same principle as the ship on the Tollan gate. Wasn't that smaller? If something went through a normal gate (grazing the edges) would part of it not re-materialize?

I think the interior diameter of the tollan gate was the same, but the rest of it was thinner.

[Mister Oragahn]

What about the same principle as the ship on the Tollan gate. Wasn't that smaller? If something went through a normal gate (grazing the edges) would part of it not re-materialize?

It should be of the exact same size. They would not build a new stargate and make different in size to the millions of other gates around.

As for the supergate, obviously something weird happened. I don't think standard stargates are conceived to compensate for a stargate with a much larger event horizon.

So you end with those possibilities:

1. A connection is impossible. Obviously, this is wrong, because it did happen. Maybe it requires a surge in energy to make this happen.
2. The wormhole connects, but matter can't be reassembled because of a system error.
3. The wormhole connects, and the object is reintegrated, and is exactly as big (or small) as when it entered the standard stargate.
4. The wormhole connects, and the objects is scaled up as it exits the stargate.

Please, let's not have point 4 turn true. Please. Please. Please.

[Captain Chaap]

A normal stargate cannot connect to a supergate. The only reason a normal gate is connected to the supergate is cause the wormhole jumped to the supergate. Sending matter through it would not work.

But did they ever actually tryto send matter through it? Because if they did then there's an episode i've missed
And i've always thought that if a wormhole went from a supergate to an ordinary gate then the matter trying to get through would be compressed so it could get through. So you'd have a big long ori mothership but there wouldn't be anyone to fly it because they'd have been crushed.

Anyway, correct me if i'm wrong, -L3W15

[Leech10]

I think only a part of whatever went thought the supergate would come out of the regular stargate one the other end, though I don't know for sure.

[NATIK]

Oragahn, if point 4 is true then Stargate will lose every bit of credibility it may have, as the gates cannot, no matter how you twist and turn it, create new matter and new matter would have to be created for an object to become larger.

I personally think that the super gate and normal gates are incompatible BUT the reason the supergate could recieve the wormhole is that construction of it is designed to recieve wormholes and thus a forced jump like the one we saw would leave the gate unable to deny the incoming wormhole.

[fred19]

Remember that matter can only travel one way through a wormhole so in the case we saw there could only be matter going in to the small gate and coming out of the big, I would say that we can assume a connection wouldn't work the other way the small gate would probably reject a connection from a supergate.

An object entering a normal gate would definately come out of the supergate normal sized, remember that the gate is 2 technologies, a modem (moleculeriser - demoleculeriser) and then a phone line (wormhole) matter can't be sent through a wormhole in a structured state and the pattern in wich to rematerialise an object is sent allong with the stream, so the supergate would know exactly how to put the molecules back together.
There is an example of this in sg1 -when Sams ancient boyfriend made a gate out of a toaster (amongst over things) and he didn't come out bigger so I think that answers that part.

As for the other way around (if it could happen) I'd say that the gate would recieve the matter stream and the pattern from the supergate, and then do nothing if the object is to big to emerge from the gate, the gate is programmed to make all sorts of executive desicions with regards to reconstituting matter, we know for instance that it won't bother if the pattern is incomplete so in this case i'd say it still won't bother, though I see no reason why an object of the appropriate size wouldn't be reconstituted as normal.

[talyn2k1]

Oragahn, if point 4 is true then Stargate will lose every bit of credibility it may have, as the gates cannot, no matter how you twist and turn it, create new matter and new matter would have to be created for an object to become larger.

I personally think that the super gate and normal gates are incompatible BUT the reason the supergate could recieve the wormhole is that construction of it is designed to recieve wormholes and thus a forced jump like the one we saw would leave the gate unable to deny the incoming wormhole.

I think the energy surge from the detonating Nuke and Hive Ship fooled the Supergate into thinking that the wormhole was from another Supergate (due to the amount of energy in it).
I`m sure the Ori would want to ensure that we could not just dial into a Supergate with a normal gate without taking extreme measures and i`m sure we would've tried so there must be a safeguard to prevent a normal gate from establishing a wormhole with a Supergate.
Jumping the wormhole fooled this safeguard so it accepted the wormhole.

[deadman]

My theory is that something that went through would be torn apart because the atoms would separate to allow the object to come out the same size proportionally, so that you'd be dead.

[the_dark_light]

My theory is that something that went through would be torn apart because the atoms would separate to allow the object to come out the same size proportionally, so that you'd be dead.

That would seem the most likely outcome.

[Exiled Master]

It should be of the exact same size. They would not build a new stargate and make different in size to the millions of other gates around.

As for the supergate, obviously something weird happened. I don't think standard stargates are conceived to compensate for a stargate with a much larger event horizon.

So you end with those possibilities:

1. A connection is impossible. Obviously, this is wrong, because it did happen. Maybe it requires a surge in energy to make this happen.
2. The wormhole connects, but matter can't be reassembled because of a system error.
3. The wormhole connects, and the object is reintegrated, and is exactly as big (or small) as when it entered the standard stargate.
4. The wormhole connects, and the objects is scaled up as it exits the stargate.

Please, let's not have point 4 turn true. Please. Please. Please.

4 won't happen because of conservation of mass and energy.

[Mister Oragahn]

4 won't happen because of conservation of mass and energy.

Conservation of mass and energy can't happen because of plot.