Original Gate Vehicle Design Thread

[turbo1889]

Operation – “Armored Dragon”



Stated Mission and Purpose of base:
----- To provide earth with an additional off world strike capability through the strategic deployment of armor and troops in large numbers as well as air support to off world locations through the stargate.

Why?
----- In the SG-1 episode 3x01, "Into The Fire" General Hamond pleaded with his superiors to launch a full scale ground attack through the gate using an "armored division" we are not talking ground troops here but heavy battle tanks. The ability to launch such a strike through the gate would be a valuable advantage but requires the gate to be mounted at surface level to fully facilitate such a strike. The only way this is can be done without undo risk is for the gate to have an off switch which renders it inert. In addition such a surface gate should be located in a remote, isolated area that can be effectively quarentined such as an island.

Earth Built Stargate Unit
~ Internal digital dialing sequence (no rotating inner chevron wheel – or chevrons at all for that matter)
~ Inner ring must be replaced every 100 hours of gate use
~ On sight storage of replacement inner rings – presently 63 available storage space for thousands
~ Primary Power 2 x heavy water fusion reactors
~ Secondary Power 4 x heavy Naquada Reactors
~ Emergency Power 1 x conventional Nuclear Reactor with storage capacitors
~ Iris trinium-titanium composite
~ Complete Deactivation Plug This is a massive concrete plug that is mounted on a rail and cart system behind the gate and when rolled back towards the gate effectively renders the gate the same as if it were buried when in place.
~ Other Notes The Gate is rendered non-functional including incoming wormholes by physical separation of the inner ring from the coil core assembly and cut off of super conducting enabling liquid helium flow when not in use. This allows the gate to be safely mounted at ground level allowing it to be used to transport vehicles and heavy armor such as tanks and armored personal carriers.

Command Procedure
----- Secondary Gate is not to be activated without authorization from “The Department of Home World Defense”. Until fully operational operations are limited to testing and training only unless specific orders to the contrary are received. A direct hot-line (Red Phone) between the secondary international base and the SGC has been established.

Historical (long read that justifies potential existance of earth built gate technology)

Spoiler:

From the beginning of the Stargate Program the United States Military has been examining the gate technology in the hopes of eventually duplicating it in an earth built equivalent. Initial research was slow and difficult and showed little possibility of arriving at an earth built gate within any kind of reasonable time frame. Work continued at Area 51 but only in a limited fashion.

At the beginning of the programs fifth year a significant breakthrough came. At this time the research took a new turn when a prototype of a “mini-stargate” built entirely from earth materials was obtained in non-working order from an encounter the SGC had with a member of an advanced alien race, further study of this specific encounter can be done by referencing SGC report 503. The gate was designed to dial only one address—that of a planet known as Velona. According to the report the gate was designed to work only once. After several years of research a series duplicate mini-gates were built. Of these gates approximately only 35% were able to produce a connection with an off world gate. Every established connection was either to the planet Velona or a planet with a similar address. It was found that the number of possible connections, which could be established before burning out the mini-gates, could be extended by using liquid helium to super cool the mini-gates. Even with this modification, however, the maximum number of connections that could be established before the mini-gated burned out was limited to a couple dozen or so. Analysis of the burnout process showed crystalline breakdown and failure within the very molecular structure of the materials used.

At this stage of the research it was decided that although the mini-gate technology was inadequate for use as an earth built equivalent of the stargate system it might have a limited use as a long range message delivery system – attempts to activate the mini-gate on other planets proved fruitless, however. Apparently the original mini-gate built by Orlin had earth built into it as the point of origin and could not be activated on any other planet except for earth. Attempts to divert incoming off world wormholes to a mini-gate were also initially fruitless, however, a single connection lasting a few microseconds was made by forcibly modulating the power stream from the DHD of an off world gate. The researches were, however, unable to repeat the experiment successfully. Funding for the project was once again cut back to a minimum until an attack by Anubis against earth using the stargate as a weapon was barely thwarted (reference SGC files 601 and 602). At this time an earth built gate which could be forcibly shut down became a vary high priority and even more so as the U.S.A. was later forced to begrudgingly rent the Russian stargate. Work, however, was slow and difficult although the researchers were able with the increased funding to build a full size gate that was able to establish a single, brief connection to Velona before burning out. Ultimately the project came down to two problems for which a solution was not immediately obtainable. First, these earth built prototype gates were nothing more then carbon copies of a burned out mini-gate built from earth materials. The researchers still hand no idea how it actually worked. Second, no means of altering the gate to dial any other address then that to Velona or a similar planet from earth was obtained.

All this changed dramatically, on March 4th, 2005, when a data burst transmission was received from the Atlantis expedition. In this burst transmission was contained a significant portion of the Atlantian database that contained specific information on the internal workings of the stargate mechanism. This information was specifically in reference to the Pegasus gate system, which uses a digital dialing system as opposed to the MW networks older analog dialing system. There are advantages and disadvantages to both systems but for the earth built gate system project this was exactly the information they needed. By merging both the DHD programs from the MW system and the Pegasus system along with the earth built interface in use at the SGC the researchers were able to successfully build an interface which allowed them to dial specific addresses on the mini-gates. Although they were unable to completely understand the physics behind the gates operation even with information from the Atlantian database they were able to determine that the original mini-gate built by Orlin was deliberately designed with certain flaws so that it would burnout and thus if copied would be of limited use. With this new understanding and the Atlantian database information the team was able to isolate these deliberate design flaws and eliminate them. As a result on November, 23rd, 2005 the team were successfully able to maintain a stable wormhole dialed to a specific off-world gate for a total elapsed time of 31 minutes using a redesigned liquid helium cooled mini-gate. On January, 9th, 2006 the experiment was repeated using a newly constructed full size gate. During this test live animal specimens were transported both to and from the test planet via a remote controlled vehicle and the return connection was successfully made by SG-9 when a program was loaded into the human built gate on earth that made it appear as though this gate had a DHD attached to it thus making it the dominate gate on earth. Human trials followed a month later. The new entirely earth built gate system consists of an inner core made of a trinium-titanium composite, an inner ring also made of the trinium-titanium composite that observes the destructive back-feed from the event horizon that causes the gate to burnout, and an outer casing framework which contains the electrical and electronic interfaces as well as the liquid helium cooling grid. The design is modular and is engineered so that only the inner ring needs to be replaced approximately every 100 hours of gate use. The other components need only general maintenance and up-keep.

Upon, successful, testing of the new technology the knowledge of the breakthrough was impossible to contain within the U.S. military and soon the I.O.A. began placing significant pressure on the U.S. to share the technology. The heaviest pressure of all came from China. When talks were at the highest levels of tension and China was preparing to publicly disclose the entirety of the Stargate Program Admiral. G.H. Hanthrom of the U.S. Navy proposed a unique solution. Why not build a second, multinational stargate operations base on the planet to serve as a back up for the SGC? The Admiral further proposed building the base on a remote island group somewhere in the planet’s oceans. Stargate operations could be located on one of the islands and each of the member nations could build a military base on the other islands – this would allow for mutual cooperation in planetary defense while still allowing each member nation to maintain its own operations and “elbow space”. Initially the compromise solution was rejected by both sides but finally was adopted. The final arrangement called for the base sight to be located on a small volcanic island group in the South Pacific with the largest island of the proposed site serving as the Chinese base of operations. This provision was made in return for the Chinese agreeing to the actual stargate operations being under the joint control of the U.S. Navy and the I.O.A. Construction of the island base began in July of 2006 and currently (May 2007) the status of the base that is code named “Armored Dragon” is operationally ready at 30% capacity:

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Okay, everyone now each nation needs to have its own specially equipped or retrofitted vehicles and equipment for these kinds of “In full Force” gate operations. I’m talking battle tanks, armored personnel carriers, missile battery vehicles, and human built combat aircraft designed to be deployed through the gate. I would like this thread to be similar to the “Original Starship Design Thread” only with vehicles and aircraft designed to be deployed through the gate. Same rules apply keep things realistic ( read first post on Original Starship Design Thread ). Everything, has to be able to fit through the gate ( 22 ft / 6.7m across ~ vehicle must be slightly smaller to fit).

[.jolinar.]

Why did you write the whole history thing?

Aside from the Ancient built Puddle Jumper, the Tau'ri have three 'Gate Vehicles':
The M.A.L.P., The U.A.V. and The F.R.E.D. not incuding the deployable missiles that can be launched through the gate which some may consider vehicles

[titan_hq]

I originally posted this in the 'Original Starship design thread' but it is better suited to be posted here.

F-316-A GateFighter

Technical Specs:

Spoiler:

Type:Light Gate Capable Strike Fighter
Technology base: Tau'ri/Asgard
Crew: 1
Decks: 1
Length: 6.25m
Width: 4.67m
Depth: 3.83m
Powerplant: 1 mk.2 Naquadah generator
Propulsion: 1 Antigravity wave generator, 1 Asgard design sub-light engine
Offensive systems;
4 wing hard-points, 2 wing-tip hard-points

Defensive systems;
trinium/naquadah armor plating - 20mm thick

Other systems;
short-range sensors
intelligent targeting system*

History:

Spoiler:

The F-316A was originally developed as the X-315 for the atlantis expedition. The X-315 could be deployed through the gate to defened teams from wraith attacks. Unfortionatly it proved un-reliable and caused 19 deaths as a result of the primitive rocket motor engaging before it had entered the gate, killing the personnell behind the fighter. All 315s were recalled to earth and put in storage. In 2008 after the 315s had been in storage for 2 years they were upgraded with newley aquired technology and became the main gate-capable fighter of the UK, france and Japan. With the US and Russia developing new fighters. The new asgard technology provided a safe engine and much more capable anti-gravity generators...

Tech Notes:
* The Itelligent targeting system can define freind from foe in a numbe of ways. First off by the class of ship, over 2000 different ships are on the fighters record. This includes all craft on earth. Secondly is by a iris code ( not sur what it is called, but the individual code that is needed to open the iris) Third is by markings on the ship(if any) and lastly is by past experiance. All the computers are link via a encrypted sub-space link.

Images:

Spoiler:

40th post

[turbo1889]

Why did you write the whole history thing? . . . .

To justify how the Tauri could safely operate a second surface based gate and use more vehicles off world (something I have wanted to see for a long time). I've taken your suggestion to heart, however, and made the first post much more user friendly while still making the information available to those who wish to view it.

. . . . Aside from the Ancient built Puddle Jumper, the Tau'ri have three 'Gate Vehicles':
The M.A.L.P., The U.A.V. and The F.R.E.D. not incuding the deployable missiles that can be launched through the gate which some may consider vehicles

Yup, you've got that correct (except for the cancled plan to send a division of heavy battle tanks through the gate hinted at in SG-1 episode 3x01) Personally, I think it is high time we see some more vehicles go through the gate. Yes, the Tauri have ships now but the ability to deploy ground forces above and beyond four-five person scouting teams to other planets via the stargate network is a significant hole in the Tauri's ability to project military power off-world. There has already been a discussion thread or two about potential earth built equivalents for the puddle jumpers -- this is an expansion on that concept.

I originally posted this in the 'Original Starship design thread' but it is better suited to be posted here.

F-316-A GateFighter

. . . .

Images:

Spoiler:

Great Design -- that's what I'm talking about!

P.S. I've got a couple designs in the works and will post them as soon as they are done.

[turbo1889]

U.S. Army Apache-64-X





Number Operational: 37 as of 05/24/2007

Type: Heavy Attack / Troop-Support Aircraft
Technology base: Entirely Earth Built of already Developed and Proven Technology
User: U.S. Army
Dimensions:
~Length: 12.4m
~Width: 4.9m
~Height: 3.5m
~Mass: 4 tonns
Crew: 2 --- 1x pilot & 1 x gunner / co-pilot
Structure: Modified and Adapted Apache-64 Frame
Powerplant: 2 x Naquada Reactors
Engines:
~1 x Antigravity wave generator to replace rotor assembly
~2 x Ion-based rear thrusters mounted in place of turbines
~1 x Multi-directional ion-based thruster assembly mounted in place of tail rotor
~1 x Inertial Damping Assembly
Performance:
~Maximum Speed: 550 mph
~Combat Range ( From Stargate ): 7,000 miles
~Maximum Duration: 34 hrs
Armament:
~1 x M230 30mm automatic canon, 1200 rds
~4 x high strength, heavy-load hard points capable of carrying all U.S. hard-point mounted weapons
~1 x Adaptable, Programmable weapons interface for hard point mounted weapons
~1 x Standard Apache-64 targeting system
~1 x Advanced Tauri sensor assembly
Other Technology:
~On board DHD and GDO systems
~Standard 0/0 Ejection Seat System

History:
---- Once the plans had been hammered down for the purpose and location of the new base the U.S. Army immediatly realized that they could get in on a peice of action if they could be the first U.S. force to develope a viable earth built gate vehicle which was capable both of direct attack upon the enemy and also play an important role as a ground troop air support vehicle. A group of Army Air Core engineers was immediatly assembled to conduct a fesability study. The group immediatly came to the conclusion that the army had been already using an ideal vehicle for such a task for decades -- the combat helicopter. They also realized that minus their rotor blades most of the Armies current helicopters would be ideal as gate vehicles. This could be easily accomplished by replacing the rotor blades in an existing design with an already developed and proven anti-grav unit. The team further concluded that this could all be done with "off the shelf" technology and components that SGC was already using in its opperations. The Apache-64 was the first model to under go a refit and the first prototype was an instant success. The design was further refined to improve the aircrafts speed and manuverability through thrust vecor technology and inertial dampening. Immediate production on the same assembly lines that produced other Apache-64 models began and the best Apache-64 pilots were hand picked to begin immediate training on the new aircraft which maintaines the same control interface with a few slight improvements. In addition as a show of good faith the U.S. has allowed a select few test-pilots from other nations including England, Russia, China, France, and Canada to test fly the aircraft.

[.jolinar.]

I originally posted this in the 'Original Starship design thread' but it is better suited to be posted here.

F-316-A GateFighter

Technical Specs:

Spoiler:

Type:Light Gate Capable Strike Fighter
Technology base: Tau'ri/Asgard
Crew: 1
Decks: 1
Length: 6.25m
Width: 4.67m
Depth: 3.83m
Powerplant: 1 mk.2 Naquadah generator
Propulsion: 1 Antigravity wave generator, 1 Asgard design sub-light engine
Offensive systems;
4 wing hard-points, 2 wing-tip hard-points

Defensive systems;
trinium/naquadah armor plating - 20mm thick

Other systems;
short-range sensors
intelligent targeting system*

History:

Spoiler:

The F-316A was originally developed as the X-315 for the atlantis expedition. The X-315 could be deployed through the gate to defened teams from wraith attacks. Unfortionatly it proved un-reliable and caused 19 deaths as a result of the primitive rocket motor engaging before it had entered the gate, killing the personnell behind the fighter. All 315s were recalled to earth and put in storage. In 2008 after the 315s had been in storage for 2 years they were upgraded with newley aquired technology and became the main gate-capable fighter of the UK, france and Japan. With the US and Russia developing new fighters. The new asgard technology provided a safe engine and much more capable anti-gravity generators...

Tech Notes:
* The Itelligent targeting system can define freind from foe in a numbe of ways. First off by the class of ship, over 2000 different ships are on the fighters record. This includes all craft on earth. Secondly is by a iris code ( not sur what it is called, but the individual code that is needed to open the iris) Third is by markings on the ship(if any) and lastly is by past experiance. All the computers are link via a encrypted sub-space link.

Images:

Spoiler:

40th post

That is pretty dam awsome

[AvatarIII]

Why dont they just build F-302's that have a short enough wingspan, or a circular wing like the needle threader (what ever happened to those?) to allow it to fit through a gate, they could call it F-312, or F-402's or something

[JedI Master of the Gate]

Here's a better Idea then building another gate on Earth to send through vehicles, why not just build an off world base thats stocked with 20 or so Humvee's and a few tanks that can fit throught the Gate. Throw in some ATV's and you've got yourself a pretty neat little set-up.

[Mister Oragahn]

Want to see vehicles go through a stargate?

Check this: Clicky!

[.jolinar.]

We could compensate for the lack of width with the vehicle by increasing the length. Give it foldable wings for more width also. E.g. an F-302 increased in length with wings that fold beneth its self and Anti-Gravity engines to get it through the gate. Then you could throw in a shield or a hyperdrive engine. Also a pair of low yield nuclear missles for fun.

[VSHARMA]

That'll Fit

[turbo1889]

Why dont they just build F-302's that have a short enough wingspan, or a circular wing like the needle threader (what ever happened to those?) to allow it to fit through a gate, they could call it F-312, or F-402's or something

We could compensate for the lack of width with the vehicle by increasing the length. Give it foldable wings for more width also. E.g. an F-302 increased in length with wings that fold beneth its self and Anti-Gravity engines to get it through the gate. Then you could throw in a shield or a hyperdrive engine. Also a pair of low yield nuclear missles for fun.

Good ideas --- how about some designs? Basically for the first generation of gate-vehicles that are airborne attack platforms I thought the most sensible and direct route to take would be taking an attack chopper and replacing the rotor assembly with an anti-grav unit. Such a craft would easily be able to fit through the gate and would be highly effective -- I've seen attack helicopters manuver at air-shows and I guarentee you that one equipped with some hell fire missles could pull off the same attack that the Goauld "needle threader" did in the episode in question no problem. Existing pilots would be able to pilot the craft and existing infrastructure and factories could be used to produce them --- however, beyond the first generation I would expect things to get more high tech. Have at it guys.

Here's a better Idea then building another gate on Earth to send through vehicles, why not just build an off world base thats stocked with 20 or so Humvee's and a few tanks that can fit throught the Gate. Throw in some ATV's and you've got yourself a pretty neat little set-up.

Yup, that's a posibility but an earth gate offers several advantages:
1 --- Supply and Resupply ~ Every time you want to send a vehicle to an off world vehicle base you would have to either hoist the gate up out of the mountain or hoist the vehicle down the silo on the earth gate) this would both be a real headache and at the same time would compermise earth security every time it was done (how many times has the fact that the gate was sealed deap underground saved our lovely backsides).
2 --- International participation ~ This give other nations an active role in participating in planetary defense and thus both reduces international tensions and strengthens earths galactic hand by allowing more resources to be brought to bear. In addition for the purpose of this thread it allows us to make a great variety of Tauri gate vehicles built by a large number of different nations -- personally the next design I'm working on is a Chinese land based gate vehicle.

Discussion is great guys but designs are even better.

[.jolinar.]

When I created my own fleet of ships I created the F-402 and the F-403 able to go through the gate (they were my two fighter class ships) The F-403 was based on the Puddle Jumper. Obvously less advanced but able to fit through the gate. The F-403 had a low yield shield and a weak hyperdrive engine.
The F-402 was based on the Wraith Dart design (As the F-302 was based on the Death Glider) It was noticably diffrent in size and had longer wings than the Dart. Normally this would prevent the F-402 from fitting through the gate. because of this the F-402's wings would fold above it's self as it moves through the gate. The longer wing span also serves to accomodate more missiles. The F-402 had a low yield shield.

(The hyperdrive and shield generators were both gifts from the Asgard, replacing the Goa'uld shield in the F-402)

[Womble]

turbo1889- Actually, the gate does not need to be mounted at surface level. The current gate is sufficient. The vehicles can be beamed from the surface and through the gate using the Asgard beam technology. All you would need is some kind of intermediate beam relay station in the gateroom (to receive the beam from the surface and redirect it into the gate) and a UAV or a soldier on the other side to designate the beaming spot.

Besides, you are all thinking in the wrong direction. Tau'ri aren't exactly short of combat air- and spacecraft, and if necessary, air support can be provided via UAV-aimed missiles launched through the gate (as the SGC have done on several occasions). What both the SGC and Atlantis really need are gate travel-capable ground vehicles and a transport spacecraft capable of deploying combat vehicles from orbit onto the surface and picking them up again using the Asgard beam.

Here are some of my suggestions:

Light combat vehicle

1)A rear-engine four-wheel combat vehicle with high speed, low visibility and good mobility in rough terrain.

2)Full protection of the crew against projectile and energy-based small arms, as well as from the Wraith culling beam.

3)Top-mounted remote controlled weapon station which can be aimed and fired from within the vehicle, without exposing the crew to enemy fire. The station must be of modular design, capable of housing any of the following weapons interchangeably:

7.62 NATO machine gun
.50BMG machine gun
40mm automatic grenade launcher

4)The vehicle must be customizable to the following configurations:

Scout/Reconnaissance vehicle
Mechanized Infantry Fighting Vehicle
ATGM carrier (hunter/killer of enemy ground vehicles and fortifications)
SAM carrier (hunter/killer of enemy air- and spacecraft).
Self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle (carrying two 20mm automatic cannons)
Command and Control vehicle
Frontline Utility and Logistics Transporter



Other vehicles currently required are, I think, an all-terrain fast attack vehicle, a heavy tracked APC providing a higher degree of protection than the above described LCV (including protection from radiation as well as harmful chemical and biological agents), combat engineer/recovery vehicles, armored combat ambulances to transport the wounded out of battle and maybe self-propelled multiple launch systems to serve as artillery support. Tanks and mile clearers aren't really necessary.

[AvatarIII]

an earth gate offers several advantages:
1 --- Supply and Resupply
2 --- International participation

Discussion is great guys but designs are even better.

a) i'm no designer, dont really have the time, but i do enjoy discussion.
b)why not have the cheyenne mountain gate so it can rotate so the event horizon points right up and you can just lower vehichles into it using the hoist down the silo shaft. air vehichles could even be designed to pick up speed just by dropping down the shaft. or perhaps a garage could be built into the side of the silo, and either hoist the gate up to garage level and have a retractable platform for ground vehichle access, or lower vehichles down.