How would Asgard beam weapon work on Goa'uld Mothership shields? #spoilers for 10x20

[monkey_man132]

OK its my understanding that the Asgard beam weapons must work by bypassing the shield by using frequencies or concentrated power of some sort. Because it killed an Ori ship in couple shots so its impossible to have destroyed it by power alone. So if its up against a Goa'uld shield then would it go past the shield faster?

[freyr's mother]

OK its my understanding that the Asgard beam weapons must work by bypassing the shield by using frequencies or concentrated power of some sort. Because it killed an Ori ship in couple shots so its impossible to have destroyed it by power alone. So if its up against a Goa'uld shield then would it go past the shield faster?

It just wore down the shield. It didnt bypass it. I dont really understand why you felt the need to ask the question stated in the thread title. Thats like asking whether a bear would be able to kill a groundhog.

[immhotep]

As far as we know the New Asgard beams are the most powerful weapon in stargate, cept perhaps the eye weapon that destroyed a planet. They dont by-pass any of the shield, they hit, damage, hit some more, shields power down, hit some more, big explosion.
Considering now hatak has ever destroyed or breached an Ori shield, even in direct collision, the effect of the weapon of the goaudl shielding will be obsolete it will just destroy, probley one hit kills.

[Buba uognarf]

As far as we know the New Asgard beams are the most powerful weapon in stargate, cept perhaps the eye weapon that destroyed a planet. They dont by-pass any of the shield, they hit, damage, hit some more, shields power down, hit some more, big explosion.
Considering now hatak has ever destroyed or breached an Ori shield, even in direct collision, the effect of the weapon of the goaudl shielding will be obsolete it will just destroy, probley one hit kills.

I think the Ancient satellite weapon is the most powerful weapon in stargate, it cut through a Hive in one i can't see any other weapon doing that. But yes a Ha'tak would be blown apart in a single hit.

[immhotep]

hives are unshielded, and we know that the Ori have a weapon that is pretty much identical which cant be blocked by our shields. We havent tested our new toys against the wraith but lets face if, if we can stand up against hive's pre unending, then after unending the wraith are screwed. The ING extends the shield power by 3/4 times. We took like 9 hits from the Ori in unending, we used to be able to take 2. So If we can stand a wraith fleet for a minute then 1on1 vs a hive we could probley go 10minutes now. If it takes us about 40seconds to take out the most advanced ship ever constructed that we know of(the Ori are using all the knowledge of the universe to make them right?) then an unshielded wraith hive is going to be no trouble atall. We could beat a hive with decently aimed rail guns, with those beam weapons, it will be like a hot laser through butter! Even up agaisnt multiple hives our shields already gave us an edge, with the new weapons giving us the ability to fight back instead of just taking a good beating, we may have the ability to wipe out the wraith.
Ive said this before, but if we got all three deadali's in the Galaxy upgraded to unending weapons, power and shield specs. Then the wraith could we wiped out in a matter of months. If all three as a unit just flew from hive to hive to hive and battled non stop, there are only 60 hives left in the galaxy. We would only need to destroy 20 or so each, and with unending specs, i dont think that would be very hard. If the wraith took half the amount of time of the Ori mothership(half is reasonable because most of the time it was taken up by depleting the shields, however the wraith have better hulls).
If we were to say each hive takes 3 hits to destroy. The three deadalus classes would need to fire 60 shots each to destroy the wraith. Given that our shields are upgraded to mega powersources(over what we had before) we could easily survive combat against the hives. The RoF of the new deadalus class is 8 shots per minute, so the total battle time to defeat the wraith, in full, all of their hives, and to free the pegasus galaxy, using all three ships we have with upgraded weapons and shields and power source, would be as little as 22 minutes 30 seconds.

Thats how much time it would take to beat the wraith. Man the ancients were pathetic.

[Buba uognarf]

hives are unshielded, and we know that the Ori have a weapon that is pretty much identical which cant be blocked by our shields. We havent tested our new toys against the wraith but lets face if, if we can stand up against hive's pre unending, then after unending the wraith are screwed. The ING extends the shield power by 3/4 times. We took like 9 hits from the Ori in unending, we used to be able to take 2. So If we can stand a wraith fleet for a minute then 1on1 vs a hive we could probley go 10minutes now. If it takes us about 40seconds to take out the most advanced ship ever constructed that we know of(the Ori are using all the knowledge of the universe to make them right?) then an unshielded wraith hive is going to be no trouble atall. We could beat a hive with decently aimed rail guns, with those beam weapons, it will be like a hot laser through butter! Even up agaisnt multiple hives our shields already gave us an edge, with the new weapons giving us the ability to fight back instead of just taking a good beating, we may have the ability to wipe out the wraith.
Ive said this before, but if we got all three deadali's in the Galaxy upgraded to unending weapons, power and shield specs. Then the wraith could we wiped out in a matter of months. If all three as a unit just flew from hive to hive to hive and battled non stop, there are only 60 hives left in the galaxy. We would only need to destroy 20 or so each, and with unending specs, i dont think that would be very hard. If the wraith took half the amount of time of the Ori mothership(half is reasonable because most of the time it was taken up by depleting the shields, however the wraith have better hulls).
If we were to say each hive takes 3 hits to destroy. The three deadalus classes would need to fire 60 shots each to destroy the wraith. Given that our shields are upgraded to mega powersources(over what we had before) we could easily survive combat against the hives. The RoF of the new deadalus class is 8 shots per minute, so the total battle time to defeat the wraith, in full, all of their hives, and to free the pegasus galaxy, using all three ships we have with upgraded weapons and shields and power source, would be as little as 22 minutes 30 seconds.

Thats how much time it would take to beat the wraith. Man the ancients were pathetic.

My comment was only that the ancient weapon was more powerful lol

But seeing as you've written all that i might as well reply

Ok Hives are unshielded but are 11km long which is atleast 3-4 times larger than the Ori ship and have alot more visable armor. So i think 3-4 direct hits would be a fair estimate if fire is concentrated on a single side or area.

We can stand against roughly 3 hives and several cruisers attempting to capture the ship for about a minute, with the Z.P.M powering the shields 10minutes would be a decent estimate against small groupings of Wraith ships.

Ori ships are heavily overrated! If they were built with all the knowledge of the universe then Asgard weapons wouldn't defeat their shields. We couldn't wipe out the Wraith they beat a galaxy full of ancients you under estimate them...if they can defeat the fleets of warships the Ancients would have commanded they could easily beat a few Asgard enhanced Earth warships especially seeing as the other ships wouldn't have the benifet of a Z.P.M enhancing their systems.

Estimating time to do this and that is all well and good but the Wraith beat the ancients who were more advanced than the Asgard which is canon i think it's pretty obvious tptb want the Ancients to appear as the most advanced race there is. We haven't seen the best of the Wraith yet.

[Nero]

Thats how much time it would take to beat the wraith. Man the ancients were pathetic.

The Ancients fought the Wraith for more than 100 years and most likely faced Hundreds if not Thousands of Wraith Hiveships. Not to mention Cruisers.
It's said time and time again that the Ancients' ships were superior and more powerfull than the Wraith's one on one, but that the sheer number of enemy ships wore them down.
We heard that there are 60+ Hive Ships active alright. Who's to say there aren't 500 sitting idle somewhere with Wraith still in Hibernation?

And the Asgard had a good 10,000 years to develop since the Ancients left Atlantis/Pegasus and ascended.

Yes the Asgard weapons would allow us to take on Hives and win with greater ease than before but who's to know how effective the beams will be when dealing with Wraith organic armour? How long would it take for the upgraded BC-304s to take out one?

We gotta remember that it took the Orion mere seconds to destroy a hive ship and thats without full power or full weapons capability.

The Oddessy was very effective indeed against one Ori ship at a time. However it was nearly destroyed when it took on just two Ori Motherships. Thats not even mentioning the fact that the Oddessy not only had the Asgard Power Source but also a ZPM on board which the other BC-304s would not have.
Nor is it mentioning the fact that the Priors seems to have forgotten that the ships they are flying have pulse weapons around the back and sides which they could have fired at Oddessy but didn't.

So I think your "we can beat the Wraith easily" comment is a bit over optimistic.

[Buba uognarf]

The Ancients fought the Wraith for more than 100 years and most likely faced Hundreds if not Thousands of Wraith Hiveships. Not to mention Cruisers.
It's said time and time again that the Ancients' ships were superior and more powerfull than the Wraith's one on one, but that the sheer number of enemy ships wore them down.
We heard that there are 60+ Hive Ships active alright. Who's to say there aren't 500 sitting idle somewhere with Wraith still in Hibernation?

And the Asgard had a good 10,000 years to develop since the Ancients left Atlantis/Pegasus and ascended.

Yes the Asgard weapons would allow us to take on Hives and win with greater ease than before but who's to know how effective the beams will be when dealing with Wraith organic armour? How long would it take for the upgraded BC-304s to take out one?

We gotta remember that it took the Orion mere seconds to destroy a hive ship and thats without full power or full weapons capability.

The Oddessy was very effective indeed against one Ori ship at a time. However it was nearly destroyed when it took on just two Ori Motherships. Thats not even mentioning the fact that the Oddessy not only had the Asgard Power Source but also a ZPM on board which the other BC-304s would not have.
Nor is it mentioning the fact that the Priors seems to have forgotten that the ships they are flying have pulse weapons around the back and sides which they could have fired at Oddessy but didn't.

So I think your "we can beat the Wraith easily" comment is a bit over optimistic.

I agree...you get green for that lol

[freyr's mother]

hives are unshielded, and we know that the Ori have a weapon that is pretty much identical which cant be blocked by our shields. We havent tested our new toys against the wraith but lets face if, if we can stand up against hive's pre unending, then after unending the wraith are screwed. The ING extends the shield power by 3/4 times. We took like 9 hits from the Ori in unending, we used to be able to take 2. So If we can stand a wraith fleet for a minute then 1on1 vs a hive we could probley go 10minutes now. If it takes us about 40seconds to take out the most advanced ship ever constructed that we know of(the Ori are using all the knowledge of the universe to make them right?) then an unshielded wraith hive is going to be no trouble atall. We could beat a hive with decently aimed rail guns, with those beam weapons, it will be like a hot laser through butter! Even up agaisnt multiple hives our shields already gave us an edge, with the new weapons giving us the ability to fight back instead of just taking a good beating, we may have the ability to wipe out the wraith.
Ive said this before, but if we got all three deadali's in the Galaxy upgraded to unending weapons, power and shield specs. Then the wraith could we wiped out in a matter of months. If all three as a unit just flew from hive to hive to hive and battled non stop, there are only 60 hives left in the galaxy. We would only need to destroy 20 or so each, and with unending specs, i dont think that would be very hard. If the wraith took half the amount of time of the Ori mothership(half is reasonable because most of the time it was taken up by depleting the shields, however the wraith have better hulls).
If we were to say each hive takes 3 hits to destroy. The three deadalus classes would need to fire 60 shots each to destroy the wraith. Given that our shields are upgraded to mega powersources(over what we had before) we could easily survive combat against the hives. The RoF of the new deadalus class is 8 shots per minute, so the total battle time to defeat the wraith, in full, all of their hives, and to free the pegasus galaxy, using all three ships we have with upgraded weapons and shields and power source, would be as little as 22 minutes 30 seconds.

Thats how much time it would take to beat the wraith. Man the ancients were pathetic.

Our shields had time to recharge while we were in hyperspace.

[immhotep]

Well were not going to try and destroy all 60 at once, probley in clusters of up to 5 hives. And so in the journey between battles we could recharge. If we kept a seperate "recharger source" ie the old power source or the ZPM on standby so that after a battle we can pump new energy in to the system and recharge ready for battle, rather than trying to divert power during battle.

[Buba uognarf]

Well were not going to try and destroy all 60 at once, probley in clusters of up to 5 hives. And so in the journey between battles we could recharge. If we kept a seperate "recharger source" ie the old power source or the ZPM on standby so that after a battle we can pump new energy in to the system and recharge ready for battle, rather than trying to divert power during battle.

the Wraith would realise what we were doing, attack something in force they knew we would rush to defend and then take us out.

[ManiacMike]

it always bothered me why the ancients lost to the wraith. So I think the Wraith moved on to a new galaxy. That would explain why when all of them woke up in the pegasus galaxy, we only got 60.

[immhotep]

Well if we moved fast then we could do enoguh damage to enoguh ships and they wont muster a force, expecially since theres a civil war going on, they might not be able to unify and fight us unmasse anymore.

[jds1982]

it always bothered me why the ancients lost to the wraith. So I think the Wraith moved on to a new galaxy. That would explain why when all of them woke up in the pegasus galaxy, we only got 60.

Man now that'd be a good story, a huge Wraith Armada that left Pegasus several thousand years ago, just happening to stumble across the MW. They're hungry and super-pissed. Maybe that's why the Wraith hate the Atlantis Expedition so much, they woke them up from their nap.

[wise one]

even with the zpm powering the shields the oddessy shields still went down to the point the ori beam destroyed it same goes for the ori ship the oddessy punched through the shields with enough concerntration to eventaully hit it