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majorsal
December 17th, 2004, 11:16 PM
Why do I like Sam? Because she's what I'd like to be. It helps that such a *wonderful* actress is playing her (and has a part to do with my love of Sam Carter).

I'd like to start off this thread by naming a few eps that I feel are important to Sam's character in some way. Please add your thoughts and feelings.



When I came into Stargate, it was with an actual minus because I wasn't that thrilled with the movie, wasn't that thrilled with RDA, and wasn't familiar with any of the other cast members. By the end of the first ep, I *really* liked the entire cast. By the end of the second ep (The Enemy Within), I started leaning towards Sam being my favorite. By the middle of the third ep (Emancipation), I knew Sam was going to be my fave. By the fourth ep (The Broca Divide), I'd officially became a shipper.<g>

I've watched Sam change and grow through the years. From season one, I found The Enemy Within, Emancipation, The Broca Divide, The First Commandment, Fire and Water, Singularity, Enigma, Solitudes, and There But for the Grace of God important eps for establishing the character's mind and soul, and showing some growth too. Many of Sam's traits were established in this first season.

Season two, I found In the Line of Duty, Secrets, The Tok'ar (pts 1, 2), Spirits, A Matter of Time, Serpent's Song, and Out of Mind. Out of those eps, I think In the Line of Duty and A Matter of Time to be the most important. The former gave Sam a lifelong gift/burden to live with, and the latter was the first ep I can remember that *really* showed just how smart Sam was.

Season three, Into the Fire, Seth, Fair Game, Legacy, Point of View, Jolinar's Memories, The Devil You Know, Foothold, and A Hundred Days continued Sam's growth, with good follow throughs from the previous season.

Season four, Small Victories, Divide and Conquer, Beneath the Surface, 2010, The Light, Prodigy, and Entity saw a slightly more complex Sam shown. (side note: I thought Amanda was *wonderful* in Entity!) But I felt that some of these eps I mentioned showed a Sam that if things had been different/were different... it was just interesting to see what way Sam would go if certain circumstances were different.

Season five, Ascension, The Fifth Man, Red Sky, Rite of Passage, Between Two Fires, 2001, Desperate Measures, 48 Hours, Summit, Last Stand, Meridian, and Revelations continued the theme. Out of these eps, I found Ascension to be the most important to her character growth. A lot of questions were brought up in that ep that I'm afraid weren't ever answered, but I enjoyed seeing Sam out of her comfort zone.

Season six, Redemption(s), Frozen, Nightwalkers, Prometheus, Unnatural Selection, Paradise Lost, and Metamorphosis. Out of those eps, Unnatural Selection (Fifth) and Paradise Lost (Jack) gave Sam a couple of things to really ponder.

Season seven was the season of good/bad changes for me. Besides being a huge Sam/Jack shipper, I'm also (obviously) a huge Sam fan, so some of the things that happened in this season warred with my feeling and thoughts. I didn't want to see Sam get a boyfriend, but I'm glad they're showing this side of Sam (finally). Like I said, I didn't want to see Sam get a bf, but I feel they should have at least made it believable. Her nonchalance about things by the end of Chimera really floored me (I blame this completely on the writing). My list for S7: Space Race, Avenger 2.0, Grace, Chimera, Death Knell, Heroes 1 & 2, and Lost City(s) were some pretty huge eps for Sam's character. Just in this one season, Sam made a big decision to give life (and one without Jack O'Neill) a try, found a boyfriend, fought for her life alone on a planet, lost her best friend, and almost lost the man she loves. A big season for Sam, that's for sure.

Season eight (first half), New Order(s), Zero Hour, Affinity, and Convenant. (another side note: Amanda was fantastic in New Order/Fifth torture scenes!)I'm also going to include Gemini, even though I haven't seen it yet for myself. I guess out of this list, I'd choose Affinity to be the biggest. She got engaged (whether I wanted her to or not :p). From what I've read, Gemini has a lot of ramifications left over, which I can't wait to see.

I hope others contribute to this thread. (please try to keep it positive)


Sally :D




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*editing to add*

here's a link to the 'greatest hits of the sam's a great character thread' -
http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4286259&postcount=8821

here's another link to the 'sam's a great character thread' index: http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=4708186&postcount=22392

THE BIG UNIT
December 17th, 2004, 11:49 PM
My first foray into stargate was in the 5th season; The episode The Fifth Man, She became my favourite character instantly because of that episode.
becaue of her determination to go get jack and her interview with simmons. Though i loved all of the characters pretty much straight away, they all made a great impression on me, she was instantly my favourite.

I absolutely love the Jolinar Arc of stories and character development, Jolinar's Memories and the Devil You Know are my favourite Episodes. How she dealt with new memories and abilities and how it changed her was great.
Season 7 was a big year for her, it was great to see so many sides of her character.

Amanda Tapping plays her to perfection. She's a great actress

aeromathlete
December 18th, 2004, 12:10 AM
I have no idea what my first SG-1 episode was, but I do know that I always loved Sam's character. Why? Because here was a smart, talented, female scientist who could kick butt and save the world. And well, she was almost everything that a young female scientist-in-training could aspire to become. I wouldn't say Sam was ever a role model for me...but she did represent what women could become. Smart, beautiful, respected, successful, strong. She was a great ideal. I respect that.

As for the whole Pete thing, whatever...yeah, I'm a Jack/Sam shipper. But I like to think of this as one of those dating flukes that we galz tend to have at some point in our lives. :P We figure out the best path eventually.

Tok'Ra Hostess
December 18th, 2004, 08:01 AM
Sam was my favorite character from the get-go, and that's not usually the case for me, as made-for-tv female SF characters are usually bimbos.

Sam was one of the first honest-to-goodness-real persons-who-also-happened-to-be-females that I remember ever seeing on tv. The other was Susan Ivonova from B5.

I'm not saying that I've always agreed with the way she's been written; I think her character has been inconsistently written; arcs created for her have not been properly or fully incorporated into the series and she seldom gets a personal aftermath for what she does experience. I often have to work on justifying what they've "done" to my fav character, but I think we all do that for our favs. :)

Skydiver
December 18th, 2004, 08:58 AM
When i first started watching the show, rda was why i turned the set on....Sam and amanda is why i've kept watching.

I loved watching her grow from this 'yes sir' obedient character to a independent woman who knows when and how to say no.

singularity was great for her and i think ITLOD was the best thing that happened to the character. At times, i don't think the writing has reflected that and the tok'ra/jolinar's left overs have become too much of a crutch for them.

I love the fact that, well until chimera at least, sam wasn't written as the woman on the team...she was the team member who just happened to be a woman.

I agree that it's fun to see sam exploring her feminine side...i still dont' care for just HOW they did it. I don't care for how this independent person all of a sudden turns into a doormat to fulfill society's idea of what she should be...but again, that's not sam, that's the writers.

I love the fact that she's a smart woman, who isn't afraid to be smart and isn't yet another scifi bimbo in a bikini and tight pants.

MajorSam
December 18th, 2004, 06:53 PM
First ep I ever saw was Brief Candle, (though only tiny bits) and although I wasn't really interested at all, I thought Sam was really cool. Second ep I saw was Solitudes, after that I was an official Sam adorer and Shipper forever. :D

I think she's the best character ever, and i'm actually really happy with what's been happening with Sam. For some reason although she's my fave character and Idol, after Amanda, the things I want to see most are screw ups, and torture, and EVILNESS! :D:D:D I'm super glad that they're acknowledging Sam's feminine side, as long as TPTB do scrap Pete cause I hate him with a passion. Sam and Jack is the thing I most want to see rite now :D

majorsal
December 18th, 2004, 07:52 PM
I wish the writers would have continued with the Jolinar theme. And that's all aspects of it. Maybe they were afraid it would make Sam less human, but I really feel a lot of interesting things have been ignored.

What I'd like to see next season is Sam *really* commanding. I want to see those hard choices for her, like Jack's had to make a time or two.

Sally :D

blueiris
December 18th, 2004, 07:55 PM
What I'd like to see next season is Sam *really* commanding. I want to see those hard choices for her, like Jack's had to make a time or two.

Sally :D

Me too! I want to see Sam make some of those decisions that typically Daniel would object to. To see here resolve herself to doing what has to be done even when she doesn't like it. And to see her get the respect of a commanding officer. So far Jack is the only one (IMO) who has actually shown confidence in her.

majorsal
December 18th, 2004, 08:22 PM
Me too! I want to see Sam make some of those decisions that typically Daniel would object to. To see here resolve herself to doing what has to be done even when she doesn't like it. And to see her get the respect of a commanding officer. So far Jack is the only one (IMO) who has actually shown confidence in her.

I think it would have been interesting to see how Sam would have handled the situations of s5's Red Sky and Beast of Burden. Essentially, it was Sam's fault that things went bad for the ppl of the Red Sky planet, but without Jack being there to talk with the Agsgard, what would have happened? And I'm saying if Sam would have been in charge. And in Beast of Burden, what would have happened if that had been Sam and Daniel imprisoned in that town instead. What would Sam have done?

I think the one ep I'd liked to have seen Sam handle even more is from s4's The Other Side. How would she have handled Alar? Would she have even let the proceedings go as far as Jack did? I want to see Sam have a moral dilemma, and how she'll go about dealing with it and the consequences of it. I've heard it said that Sam's like a combination of Jack and Daniel (hawk and dove) together, so I think it would be compelling to see how someone who's not one way or the other would deal with an intense issue like I've exampled.

Sally :D

Madeleine
December 18th, 2004, 10:11 PM
First eps I ever watched properly were Serpent's Lair and Serpent's Grasp. There was a woman in it who bit her boss in the hand. How could I not tune in and watch again the next week? ;)

Her finest hour so far was Foothold. She had to be really brave and resourceful, and she quite probably saved the entire planet. Also she called Maybourne an idiot in a particularly witty way.

Her finest moment so far has been blowing up the tok'ra's sun. Not many people can put *that* on their CV.

Best acted bit has come in Meridian, the moment alone with Daniel.

Best line (that I can think of at the mo): "Welcome to [i]my [/]life" :D

aeromathlete
December 18th, 2004, 10:14 PM
Man, I'm glad this thread is here. :thumbsup:

blueiris
December 18th, 2004, 10:39 PM
I think the one ep I'd liked to have seen Sam handle even more is from s4's The Other Side. How would she have handled Alar? Would she have even let the proceedings go as far as Jack did? I want to see Sam have a moral dilemma, and how she'll go about dealing with it and the consequences of it. I've heard it said that Sam's like a combination of Jack and Daniel (hawk and dove) together, so I think it would be compelling to to how someone who's not one way or the other would deal with an intense issue like I've exampled.

Sally :D

I don't think Jack is any different from Sam, half hawk and half dove. But when you have to lead you have to be able to think quickly, review your options, and act so quickly that you can be preceived as hawklike, when really you're just 2 steps ahead of the others. And he's had years of practice. Just because Jack is able to see what has to be done and react so quickly doesn't mean that he doesn't feel somewhat the same as Daniel in certain situations. Sam just needs the oportunity to allow those senses to develop. She is military so the understanding is there. I don't think Daniel could ever lead or make those decisions. Not that that is a bad thing. There always has to be a balance of opinions. But the leader has to be able to assess the situation and make decisions in a timely way. I think Sam is capable, she just hasn't been given a situation that calls for her to prove herself. Thats my opinion anyway.

majorsal
December 18th, 2004, 11:06 PM
Her finest hour so far was Foothold. She had to be really brave and resourceful, and she quite probably saved the entire planet. Also she called Maybourne an idiot in a particularly witty way.

I LOVE Foothold! I've got it on tape. :D That was *so* much a Sam Carter shows her stuff ep. Amanda adlibbed that line to Maybourne. :p



Best acted bit has come in Meridian, the moment alone with Daniel.

My fave acting moment was in season 5's Entity. I felt her take on an alien life form was original and powerful. If I'm remembering this right, Amanda came up with the idea of how to perform her. How many times can you think of seeing an alien take over someone, but that person does not speak? All of the Entity's emotions showed through on it's face. That scene when Daniel and Jack are interrogating the Entity, and then Jack gets ticked and starts threatening the Entity... I was totally blow away with how wonderful Amanda pulled that part off. You could see her anger and frustration on her face, without one single word actually coming out of her mouth (and I'm not talking about the monotone voice of the voice synthesizer being used). You could see her facial muscles twitching, trying to hold back the rage it was not able to voice. This will always be my fave acting moment for Sam/Amanda.

I also loved (spoilers for s8's new order*s*)
Amanda's acting when Fifth was torturing her in New Order. In fact, it was the 'only' part of that ep I really liked.


Sally :D

majorsal
December 18th, 2004, 11:16 PM
I don't think Jack is any different from Sam, half hawk and half dove. But when you have to lead you have to be able to think quickly, review your options, and act so quickly that you can be preceived as hawklike, when really you're just 2 steps ahead of the others. And he's had years of practice. Just because Jack is able to see what has to be done and react so quickly doesn't mean that he doesn't feel somewhat the same as Daniel in certain situations. Sam just needs the oportunity to allow those senses to develop. She is military so the understanding is there. I don't think Daniel could ever lead or make those decisions. Not that that is a bad thing. There always has to be a balance of opinions. But the leader has to be able to assess the situation and make decisions in a timely way. I think Sam is capable, she just hasn't been given a situation that calls for her to prove herself. Thats my opinion anyway.


Yes, so far, we haven't seen Sam really get into the leading thing. Yes, we've seen her lead missions, and lead the other teams/ppl with her, but we haven't seen an entire mission where the entire thing lays on Sam's shoulders. I'm not sure we'll get that opportunity in season 8, but I'm sure hoping we will in season 9.

Speaking of a season 9 - I wish the ptb would start filming in April instead of March, so Amanda might miss less eps. (no eps would be better :D)

Sally :D

tara3583
December 19th, 2004, 12:22 AM
I really love how Sam has grown over the years and how Amanda has added layers and such a richness to her.
I fell in love with the character from the moment Sam walked into the briefing room in COTG, my husband has said from time to time that you could really believe that Amanda is a soldier in combat! and he's not a scifi fan but
does look in from time to time.
I hope also to see Sam lead more in s9 and i really want to see how she deals with the fallout from Gemini, lol and does'nt Amanda do evil very well!

Lastly with the news of the new signings i just
wish we had news of Amanda signing on for s9 and yes to the poster that wished they would put back the start of filming to april, i agree
anyway as long as Amanda stays well and enjoys her baby when he/she has arrived i'll be a happy fan!:)

the dancer of spaz
December 19th, 2004, 12:47 AM
Nice thread guys! :)

I have to say that I agree with pretty much what everyone's been saying about the character and the actor. Both are really great role models.

I have to say that I really like being able to look at the first season and comparing Sam's characteristics to now. It's so cool to see what they did to start the character off, and how AT adapted the character over the years.

There was a bit of a chip on her shoulder (though not too large) in the beginning, but she proved to be a competent and integral member of the SGC.

By Season Two and ITLOD, it was clear that Sam had big things ahead of her. The characters are extraordinary, and Sam's extraordinary characteristics go beyond her intelligence, and right down to her soul. She's got a heart, and she really wants to do the right thing.

Having a character who is "next to perfection," but manages to maintain humility is awesome in my book. :D Sam has managed to show beauty, superb character, and intelligence that far surpasses that of the Classic SciFi bimbos (i.e. Anise, etc.).

Then you look at the actress, and it's no wonder that everyone loves her! :P When you have so many fans, co-stars, producers, etc., who openly compliment an actress, there's no doubt that it's all true. There's no doubt that she really is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. And I think her genuine girl-next-door mentality totally translates on screen. She doesn't care if she's the most important person in the show, but she is willing to fight for the integrity of her character.

Sam is still the soldier WHO HAPPENS TO BE A WOMAN, but there's no mistaking the bond she has with these men. At the end of the day, I believe Daniel and Teal'c, her teammates, will always feel that brotherly obligation and privilege to protect Sam at all costs, and it's really sweet to know that the feeling is mutual and well-deserved. :)

While I am definitely a hardcore team fan, I have to say that AT/Sam are my favorite actor/character duo on television, because I can honestly watch her work and not wonder if, at the end of the day, she really is the kind of person she says she is. She truly does care, and she really is concerned about what we, as fans, think. :)

It has been really cool to see the character's transformation from a competent officer and scientist, with childlike awe, to a matured and somewhat weathered soldier and scientist, with an experienced outlook on life. She deserves the command she has been given, and she definitely deserves some happiness - no matter where that may be.... Although, I'd prefer it was with a certain General. ;)

Again, great idea with the thread! Very cool!

dipsofjazz
December 19th, 2004, 06:10 AM
I love the fact that, well until chimera at least, sam wasn't written as the woman on the team...she was the team member who just happened to be a woman.
I agree that it's fun to see sam exploring her feminine side...i still dont' care for just HOW they did it. I don't care for how this independent person all of a sudden turns into a doormat to fulfill society's idea of what she should be...but again, that's not sam, that's the writers.

I love the fact that she's a smart woman, who isn't afraid to be smart and isn't yet another scifi bimbo in a bikini and tight pants.
I was just about to say this, but you said it much better, so I'm just going to use your quote! :D
I'm just really annoyed that the writers have changed her character (badly, IMHO) and I just hope to goodness that they can make it to the end of S8 without completely obliterating the Sam we all know and love!

Catysg1
December 19th, 2004, 07:00 AM
I really like Sam too ..even now because it's important to know that nobody is perfect and it's as equally important to see a professional person with its faults but I just read a post (Sacme) in GEMINI thread and it's true that they keep making Sam screwing up at the moment in all aspects of her life ...her love life is a mess and her professional life ...well..it was her fault in Gemini ..and now Replicarter has escaped ..and will want to destroy the Earth as they could have avoided that ..Jack was right ...He trusted Sam 100% and agreed too easily ....(probably- love).

Anyway I love the episode because AT did it again ...She was excellent in Entity and in line of duty , point of view and now in Gemini ..she again showed us that she is a talented actress who can change her attiude and body language according to who she plays . ;)

Seeing Sam and RepliSam interacting to each other was fab ..and AT made the 2 Sam's completely different ..She is very versatile ...and that I like in acting ....not like Renee Zellwegger and Hugh Grant who seem to play the same characters in every one of their films (I don't even understand why they are so popular)....specially Renee Zellwegger ..I saw a few films with her ...and she always plays the same ...Am I the only one who hates her ??!!because all my friends seem to like her but I can't stand her . :S


AT on the contrary ..because of her versatility ( 2 more actresses I really like because of their versatility are Jodie Foster and Julianne Moore..so talented)is great ....I hope Amanda will have a future in movies and become a hollywood star ..she has it ..she just needs to show it ..I hope Gemini will get her an award for her acting . ;)

As for Sam ..poor soul ..I suppose her life is a big shamble and why ?!! because her emotionnal feelings are impairing on her professional work ....If she had no feelings for Jack whatsoever ..I bet she would be doing an excellent job as a colonel ...but her mind is trying to deal with tons of different stuff ..in fact she is not happy ..and it reflects on her ability to be professionnal....so hopefully Sam will get a grip on her love life , sort it out .....be happy and let's get on with Stargate and her as a Colonel. ;)

Saying that ...may be TPTB and the writers ...keep messing Sam on purpose so that she becomes a doctor scientist in season 9 only ..with a civilian Jack ..and no going off world ..unless absolutely necessary.!!!!because they seem to mess up a bit too much of Our Sam to let her be a colonel in season 9....may be... she'll give up or Jack will ask her to just become a scientist and work at the SGC.!!!I don't know but it seems a bit suspicious to me that TPTB keeps on having Sam messing up big time .


Well done AT on your fabulous work anywhere in Stargate ( the Jolinar arc was tremendous), and entity , point of view, in line of duty and now Gemini ..are all showing what a talented actress you are . ;)


Caty :)

Sam fan
December 19th, 2004, 08:02 AM
Sam was the thing that attracted me to Sg-1- I saw the ep with Cassie and I just loved it. Through the years Sam has changed and I think thats a great thing she's no longer trying to be one of the boys- she's accepted that she is a woman and I can't find any fault with what alot of people have been finding fault with recently I love Sam as much as I i did when I first started watching Sg-1 if not more. And yes Amanda is an amazing laydee!

keshou
December 19th, 2004, 08:09 AM
My favorite "Sam" moments....

Singularity. Riding with Cassie in the elevator. Being unable to leave her. That scene breaks my heart everytime I watch it.

Solitudes. Trying to keep Jack alive. Working so hard to get them out. Climbing out of that hole just to see miles of snow and ice. Her quiet "I'm here Jack" when he calls for Sara. Just lovely stuff.

In the Line of Duty. Maybe Sam's best episode (to me). I loved the Jolinar arc and thought it introduced a whole new layer to Sam's character. The scene at the end - when she's laying in bed after Jolinar has died to save her. Just fabulous work from AT.

Tok'ra I&II. I've loved the arc with Sam's father Jacob. And the scenes when she tells Jacob what she really does (in the hospital room) and they go thru the gate together really touched me. I really felt that Sam was at last reassured that her father was proud of her.

Jolinar's Memories/Devil You Know. Again, part of the Jolinar arc and I loved what Sam went thru in Jolinar's Memories to help Martouf. I loved that they let Sam just be one of the gang and be tortured like everyone else. And again - great scenes with Jacob and Sam.

Foothold. Kickass Sam to the rescue. Snarky Sam telling off Maybourne. What's not to love.

Exodus/Enemies. My favorite episodes for Sam the brilliant scientist and Sam the great soldier. Blowing up the sun was a wicked cool plan. And snarky Sam running thru the halls blowing away replicators with her P90 is the Sam I love to see. Had some great Sam lines.

JACK: Carter? How do you know where to go in a place like this?
SAM: I studied certain respects of the ship while we were on Vorash.
JACK: You know how to have a good time, don't you?
SAM: I'm having a good time now, Sir.
JACK: You GO girl.

JACK: Yes! Well, next time, maybe we'll just wait and see.
JACOB: And blow the last chance I'll ever have to being right?
SAM: (Laughing) Welcome to MY life!

Meridian/Paradise Lost. The "Sam loves her team" episodes. I really thought these were both good to show how close Sam is to the boys. Her scene at the dying Daniel's bedside. When she broke down in the locker room over Jack's disappearance. Accepting comfort from Teal'c. These all make me weepy just thinking about them.

Grace. I know this isn't everyone's cup of tea but I really loved it. My interpretation (I guess) was different from many people's and I enjoyed seeing Sam face up to her inner fears and demons and doubts. And question her choices in life. I loved AT's performance in this one.

Death Knell. What I enjoyed about Sam in this episode is that she was stripped of her computer models and her technobabble was in basic survival mode. Sam can hold her own - on a physical level - with the best of them and she really showed it here. Seeing Sam being less-than-glamorous. A real soldier. It all worked for me. And of course I love the exploration of the father/daughter relationship with Jacob and there were some really great scenes in this one.

majorsal
December 19th, 2004, 09:25 PM
<snip>

Lastly with the news of the new signings i just
wish we had news of Amanda signing on for s9 and yes to the poster that wished they would put back the start of filming to april, i agree
anyway as long as Amanda stays well and enjoys her baby when he/she has arrived i'll be a happy fan!:)

Heck, even moving the start two weeks later might mean two more eps Amanda would be in! :D

(((Amanda and little bundle of joy)))

Sally :D

majorsal
December 19th, 2004, 09:39 PM
Sam was the thing that attracted me to Sg-1- I saw the ep with Cassie and I just loved it. Through the years Sam has changed and I think thats a great thing she's no longer trying to be one of the boys- she's accepted that she is a woman and I can't find any fault with what alot of people have been finding fault with recently I love Sam as much as I i did when I first started watching Sg-1 if not more. And yes Amanda is an amazing laydee!

spoilers for s7's heroes 2

I'd love to see more shown about her relationship with Cassie (especially now that Janet is gone). And it would be *very* nice to hear a reference to Janet once in a while. :( Those were two relationships I liked seeing, and now they both are gone I guess. Sam would make a good mom.

Sally :D

aeromathlete
December 19th, 2004, 10:06 PM
Yeah, I would love to see Cassie back in the picture with Sam a little bit. Maybe some discussion of Cassie's academic plans. I always imagined she'd either want to be a pure scientist like Sam or a doctor like Janet was or something along those lines. When they showed the younger Cassie(s), it seemed that she and Sam were still especially close. I'd love to get some of that dynamic again.

That's one of the things I liked about Sam, too. Her ability to care about the kids who'd come into the show in their respective episodes.

majorsal
December 19th, 2004, 10:17 PM
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Meridian/Paradise Lost. The "Sam loves her team" episodes. I really thought these were both good to show how close Sam is to the boys. Her scene at the dying Daniel's bedside. When she broke down in the locker room over Jack's disappearance. Accepting comfort from Teal'c. These all make me weepy just thinking about them.

(I'm just going to comment on Paradise Lost) You'll hear this a lot, but loved this ep. :p I saw this as more of 'Sam missing Jack' than her teammates, but it still showed how much she loved 'all' her guys. My two fave moments of that ep were a- when Sam got mad at Dr Lee (she looked broken; trying hard to defend herself but having trouble because her emotions had taken hold), and as soon as he walked away, Sam glanced at Teal'c and looked away selfconsciously. The other part was when she broke down in the locker room, and let Teal'c comfort her. Really nice scenes, and really good acting.





Grace. I know this isn't everyone's cup of tea but I really loved it. My interpretation (I guess) was different from many people's and I enjoyed seeing Sam face up to her inner fears and demons and doubts. And question her choices in life. I loved AT's performance in this one.


One of my fave Sam eps. It was very interesting to see Sam handle a situation she really didn't know how to handle, and doing it while suffering from an worsening concussion. I might not be able to cherish this ep so much if the S/J angle had of been dropped because/after it, but it 'wasn't' dropped (:D). This ep's also the catalyst of Sam wanting to put her life into perspective, not just her career. Whether I liked that she went out and found some companionship (that wasn't Jack), I'm still glad we've seen this side of Sam explored. Sam's human, and stumbles and strains through it just like the rest of it. I like that.


Death Knell. What I enjoyed about Sam in this episode is that she was stripped of her computer models and her technobabble was in basic survival mode. Sam can hold her own - on a physical level - with the best of them and she really showed it here. Seeing Sam being less-than-glamorous. A real soldier. It all worked for me. And of course I love the exploration of the father/daughter relationship with Jacob and there were some really great scenes in this one.


I loved this ep too (have it on tape, like Grace and all the others mentioned). I liked seeing Sam coming up with ways of survival, without anything but her brains to work with. (I like your examples, so I'm adopting them for myself. :p) The part where Sam thought she'd killed the super soldier, only for it to pop back up... it kinda bothered me a bit, because it looked like Sam was accepting her fate. I know she was totally and completely exhausted, but... I just didn't like seeing Sam seeing death coming for her (the look on Sam's face kinda haunts me). I also adored the end scene(s), with Jack comforting her and her goodbye to her dad. Both beautifully done and acted by all.

Sally :D

majorsal
December 19th, 2004, 10:36 PM
<snip>

That's one of the things I liked about Sam, too. Her ability to care about the kids who'd come into the show in their respective episodes.

Oh, me too! That cute little boy (Nox) from The Nox, Ry'ac, Cassie, the kid from Show and Tell, the girl from Learning Curve, Hailey (from Prodigy), the youngin's from Proving Ground, CloneJack from Fragile Balance, the little boy from Revisions, and Grace (from Grace). *I'm really glad for Gateworld's episode guide :p* I like seeing Sam interact with children.

Sally :D

astrogeologist
December 29th, 2004, 01:34 PM
First, this has to be one of the best threads that I've run across so far! I agree wholeheartedly with what almost everyone has said in their previous posts -- so well stated!

AT has played Sam Carter so well! I am a lifelong science fiction fan who did not think much of the Stargate movie, nor did the TV series capture my interest... until I caught a few episodes where AT played Sam Carter -- and I just loved the way that she could be a competent part of this elite team without stressing that she was a woman (without playing up age-old female stereotypes). And, I too, as many of the previous posts have noted, am not happy with the way that TPTB are slowly but surely destroying Sam's competency (this is not what women need for female lead characters).

That said, I have found AT to be an exceptional actress -- she actually ACTS! What she can convey with a facial expression is amazing!

My hopes are that character of Sam Carter is strengthened in Season 9 -- we need a strong female lead character who is not prissy or *****y...who doesn't use sex as a weapon...and yet, who isn't agressively butch. AT accomplished this and I couldn't be more impressed.

And, as someone else already noted, one of SC's best lines was:
"Welcome to my world!" (When referring to her father)

Below are some of my thoughts that I have posted in a few other places (am still trying to feel my way around the forums and threads).

Browder's character should definitely NOT outrank Carter! I have to agree with those who've already posted stated that to have BB's character outrank Carter is a slap in the face - to SC, AT and female soldiers in general.

I also think it would have been fun to have Ben Browder's character come in as a Major (instead of a Lt. Col) -- and that way Carter would have had a subordinate officer to command (just as O'Neill had). That said, I am trying to keep an open mind as the writers have (so far) done a great job dealing with new characters and the absences of old ones.... :o

SG-1 will sorely miss the character of Sam Carter even if AT only misses 5 episodes. Amanda Tapping has done a simply superb job :cool: that I have not seen equaled by any other female lead in a Science Fiction show (and I have watched every episode of every sci fi show that I could catch for the past 30 years).

And, I have to admit that I was looking forward to Carter getting to command out in the field. In science fiction shows, the female lead is so often the 2IC, the second in command...and/or the science officer...with the major lead and overall commander being a male actor. I was really looking forward to Sam Carter moving into the command position more than they have shown so far. AT would handle it superbly! :cool:

And I can't imagine SG-1 if they lose BOTH AT and RDA... :S Then it just loses the feel of SG-1 ... and becomes SGC... which could make a good show... I would just prefer that they didn't call it SG-1 when they are going to lose 2 of the 4 leads.

So - I'll take AT and RDA in whatever capacity that the can participate and I just hope that the series writers and directors use the two lead actors in major storylines (and not just as background).

I find myself actually looking forward (albeit apprehensively :o ) to what the writers will devise for Sam Carter’s absence. I hope that the writers and directors come up with some truly creative ways to deal with the absences of AT and RDA in Season 9. :rolleyes: To date, the Stargate writers and directors have surprised and impressed me with how well they handled Michael Shanks' departure for Season 6 and then RDA's reduced availability in Seasons 7 and 8. Having Daniel ascend after saving Jonas' planet was truly 'big'... truly heroic, and a great send-off (seeings that they didn't know that MS would be wanting to come back). And then – having Daniel take on Anubis single-handedly… again, appropriately ‘big and heroic’ for a sci-fi lead character.

And the accommodations for RDA in terms of the shooting schedules and the creative scripts that maintain O'Neill's presence. Allowing him to become a general, allowing his character to grow and develop. All very well done.

And the integration of Ben Browder’s character sounds smartly done – that they are going to create a backstory for him that interweaves his character with the past many years of Stargate lore. What I’ve heard so far sounds appropriately ‘big and heroic’ for a lead character of SG-1 – what it will take to have the Stargate audience embrace the new character.

Now... I just hope that the writers and directors can think 'big' and 'heroic' when it comes to storylines that deal with the absences of AT and RDA in Season 9. :rolleyes: Hmmm... what I'm trying to say is that I hope that they don't do something lame... like say that Carter is just off working at the Academy, or on some research project or some such. That's a throwaway idea - not fit for what they have done so far. Beings that AT is slated to come back, I hope that they come up with a big storyline that intrigues the viewers. Maybe something that plays off that phrase that O'Neill used in the Lost City... 'National Treasure/National Resource'... I think there's a good episode title in there somewhere...

As for RDA... if he truly isn't coming back at all?... that's a bit tougher...hopefully they can get him to commit to at least a few episodes?

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Links:
- SciFi Channel Bulletin Board Thread 'Season 9 News' (http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=StargateSG-1&Number=382046&fpart=&PHPSESSID=)
- Solutions (http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/ipw-web/b2/index.php?p=186&c=1p)

Osiris-RA
December 29th, 2004, 02:13 PM
Hi. I wasnt to crazy about Sam in the beginning what with her whole persona there. But she kinda grew on me, like the female version of Daneil. As her character evolved and we got to know her more personal, I was delighted to know she liked cats, ++++ and liked plants, ++++. Cats and plants, I dunno, they just go together.

Then she got possesed by Jolinar. When we found out she had 'powers' then she became really cool. I mean, just think, she can do something the rest of them can't. She blasted Seth across the room, how cool was that???

But, towards season 7 and 8, I noticed the writers got a little too intimate with her character. I could have skipped the whole Pete/Sam liason. It became too much about pairing her with a guy. Why couldnt they leave it be? whyyyyyyy......

But, still, one of my favorite characters ...

ChopinGal
December 29th, 2004, 08:22 PM
I hope that AT finds her way to this thread just to read the wonderful praises - she deserves them!

Many of my favorite Sam Carter episodes and moments have already been covered. But let's see if I can pinpoint a few more:

Tok'ra Part One - the initial stroll on the sand dunes with Martouf was so rich with meaning - the closeups of her and him and her reactions to his revelations about Jolinar, etc. Just marvelous acting - so natural and believable. I thought she never looked more beautiful and vulnerable.

Grace - the entire episode was a showcase for AT's acting but, especially, the conversation with Jacob was particularly powerful and moving.

AT can do more with a look, a tone, a gesture than any other actor. To borrow a phrase: she runs the gamut of emotion from A to Z :) In fact, I think it's hard for many of the other actors to keep up with her intensity and talent at times. I'm so glad that she has won the two Leo awards for "Ascension" and "Grace". She is a hidden treasure, not yet discovered by a wider audience. And, from all reports, she is the "real thing". Much of AT is incorporated into Sam Carter - I think this is what has hooked all of us on the character - AT's own warmth and down-to-earth personality.

I hope she is able to return and continue to grow as Sam Carter in S9 if she is able to juggle both motherhood and her career. It would be lovely to see her taking Sam to new heights if the writers would provide the opportunities to get her back to her character's true arc: a strong woman warrior who is now a leader.

Whatever AT chooses to do, however, will be respected by her fans. She has given us so many memorable screen moments by making Sam Carter truly "come alive". For that alone, we should all be grateful.

majorsal
December 29th, 2004, 09:20 PM
Then she got possesed by Jolinar. When we found out she had 'powers' then she became really cool. I mean, just think, she can do something the rest of them can't. She blasted Seth across the room, how cool was that???



I'd *love* for them to revisit this part of Sam! I really can't remember the last time Sam tried to use them (the first thing that came to mind was when she was trying to heal Daniel in Meridian... that was heart breaking).

spoilers for s7's lost city(s)
I wish Sam would have been the one to take the Ancients download instead of Jack. How would that have worked with her having naquada in her blood, or the memories of Jolinar? So much potential!

Sally :D

majorsal
December 29th, 2004, 09:34 PM
I hope that AT finds her way to this thread just to read the wonderful praises - she deserves them!

Many of my favorite Sam Carter episodes and moments have already been covered. But let's see if I can pinpoint a few more:

Tok'ra Part One - the initial stroll on the sand dunes with Martouf was so rich with meaning - the closeups of her and him and her reactions to his revelations about Jolinar, etc. Just marvelous acting - so natural and believable. I thought she never looked more beautiful and vulnerable.

I'm visualizing these scenes as I read. I liked it when Stargate used to let their characters 'react' to things, not just glossing over their experiences like they never happened in the next eps (anyone heard anything about Janet anymore? :rolleyes: ). I think my fave line when she was out there with Martouf was when she referred to schizophrenia in how it felt to have two sets of memories in her head at the same time. I remember the look on her face, the sound of her voice... just wonderful acting.


Grace - the entire episode was a showcase for AT's acting but, especially, the conversation with Jacob was particularly powerful and moving.

LOVE this ep! I watched it again just last week. Her slow desolve into... what, a form of insanity? Amanda had a field day! I wish it would have taken place longer than four days.


AT can do more with a look, a tone, a gesture than any other actor. To borrow a phrase: she runs the gamut of emotion from A to Z :)

Totally agree! Some of my fave actresses have been the ones that say it all with their expressions. Gillian Anderson and Sela Ward both gave me the same kind of chills that Amanda has, because all three can just give 'that' look, and you know exactly what they're trying to say. Amanda's a part of that elite group of exceptional actresses to me.



She is a hidden treasure, not yet discovered by a wider audience.

I know. I keep waiting to hear about her being cast in some big name project (Steven Spieilberg should use her in the next Indiana Jones movie), and her being the acting world's next sweetheart.


Sally :D

astrogeologist
December 29th, 2004, 09:37 PM
Spoilers for Season 7 Lost City below:


I'd *love* for them to revisit this part of Sam! I really can't remember the last time Sam tried to use them (the first thing that came to mind was when she was trying to heal Daniel in Meridian... that was heart breaking).

spoilers for s7's lost city(s)
I wish Sam would have been the one to take the Ancients download instead of Jack. How would that have worked with her having naquada in her blood, or the memories of Jolinar? So much potential!

Sally :D

I agree with you RE Sam' role in the Lost City! It would have been interesting to see how she would have been affected, and how the transformation would have progressed.

I also wish that they'd simply involved the entire team more critically -- as it was, they wrote it so that O'Neill saved Earth and the other three basically provided cover fire and support (3 Special Forces marines could have accomplished almost the same results). And it would have been so great to see all of them somehow go through the transformation together...and be talking to each other in Ancient (instead of having the three of the them just follow O'Neill around) - and then all four of them get frozen to end the season! Thor would then have to come and get them out at the beginning of the next season...

aeromathlete
December 30th, 2004, 12:12 AM
I'm not going to complain a bit about the Lost City because the way it played out made it one of my fav eps ever.

BUT

I will say that we do need the team dynamic back with characters carrying burdens equally. I've finally caught up on Season 8 and seen all the episodes, and I'm really beginning to notice the lopsidedness of each ep. Each episode focuses solely on one (or at most two) members of the main cast. I miss the TEAM! I'm one of the few that liked Covenant, but I think I just saw Teal'c in it for a few seconds, in the background...yeah.

Here's to more Samantha Carter-led teamwork in the rest of season eight!

Speaking of our glorious girl, don't you think Sam should command SG-1 in Season Nine (upon Amanda's return, of course)? She's totally earned it-O'Neill deemed her fit for the position! I don't mind Browder stepping in for the first few, but they'd better give Sam her job back! And we need to see her in command this time, not just know she's in command because of her rank...

What do y'all think of this issue? Lieutenant Colonel and Lieutenant Colonel on the same team? Or will Browder get a pop promotion to ruin the mood?

tara3583
December 30th, 2004, 05:02 AM
I really hope Sam is in command of sg1 in s9 with the new fella as her 2 in command, if they
don't and have her as 2 in command i would really, really be unhappy!
Amanda has done a fantastic job with making Sam
a well rounded woman that she is today and to be honest if tpbt stuff Sam back in 2 in command role imho it would look like a slap in the face for Amanda!
I would love to see her work well with the new
fella not be at odds with him and maybe some teasing going on between them.:)

Skydiver
December 30th, 2004, 05:54 AM
i think sam can do a great job of leading, if they'd just give her a chance.

hello, writers, can we please have less of soap of the week and actually have a mission now an then? even if it's on world, it would be nice to actually see sg-1 do something

sort of like zero hour....i know why we didn't see what happened on the planet and focused on actions in the sgc...but they missed a prime opportunity to let sam do something more that jsut be there

what i've loved about sam from the beginning is that she was a member of the team that just happened to be a woman. now? now she's a woman who just happens to be on a team

ChopinGal
December 30th, 2004, 07:49 AM
Here's to more Samantha Carter-led teamwork in the rest of season eight!

Speaking of our glorious girl, don't you think Sam should command SG-1 in Season Nine (upon Amanda's return, of course)? She's totally earned it-O'Neill deemed her fit for the position! I don't mind Browder stepping in for the first few, but they'd better give Sam her job back! And we need to see her in command this time, not just know she's in command because of her rank...

What do y'all think of this issue? Lieutenant Colonel and Lieutenant Colonel on the same team? Or will Browder get a pop promotion to ruin the mood?[/QUOTE]


You should probably open a new thread on this unless there is one floating around already. I have a serious concern about this: BB as a Lt. Col and possibly the fourth SG-1 team member ... yes, the writers seem to be retreating into their good old "boys' club" right now with the casting of BB and his potential role. Have they even considered Sam in this whole new arc? She has been, and should continue to be, the CO of SG-1 through Jack's directive. This is a just and timely reward for her years of loyal service and also a prime opportunity for some really good and creative writing to now show Sam "in the field" and "as a leader who has to make some tough decisions". (I can't resist: deciding on whether to accept an engagement ring is not the kind of decision that fans were looking for in S8!) The writers have dropped the ball the past two seasons on Sam's potential. AT, herself, has admitted that she loved doing "Death Knell" because she got to be a soldier in the midst of conflict - she got roughed up and thought that it was about time (listen to audio commentary for that episode) that Sam was portrayed more realistically in that manner. She wants more of those kinds of episodes. And so do I! Sam is a heroic character - she needs to be given the chance to be "the hero" in future episodes. The whole dynamic of leadership - does a woman lead differently than a man, react differently under a pressure situation, in giving orders? Perhaps they would have to open their "boys' club" up and let some women writers in to answer those questions with honest scripts. Eek! I'm going off topic here - sorry. You've touched a nerve - BB must not replace our Sam as leader of the pack! That would be a travesty.

ChopinGal
December 30th, 2004, 08:11 AM
:o First of all, I haven't quite mastered the use of blue quote boxes, and apologise to Aeromathlete for the lack of clarity regarding using your own words in my previous post. If anyone can set me straight on how to "pull and quote" material from other posts - it would be great. ;)

Sally - your response to my first post and your mentioning the "schizophrenia lines" in Tok'ra Part One - yes! So well acted and the writing was so on at that time. The writing is what the actor has to work with - and, to her credit, AT gives 110% to each and every script even when the writers seem to be throwing her a curve ball! She also is a director's delight: totally into the scene and reacting to the other actors even when not the prime focus of attention. That's why she makes the character so human and believable. It also shows her professionalism and lack of ego :)

Okay, someone throw me a line here ... how do I cut and paste just parts of former posts into those little blue boxes?!! :S

Skydiver
December 30th, 2004, 08:19 AM
Okay, someone throw me a line here ... how do I cut and paste just parts of former posts into those little blue boxes?!! :S


click on the 'quote' button instead of 'reply'

it will give you a box with the entirety of that post in quote tags that look like
QUOTE=ChopinGal
/QUOTE

just with little [] around them

as long as you keep those tags intact, you can either leave the whole post or snip out all but the pertinent parts that you're responding to

Madeleine
December 30th, 2004, 08:23 AM
ChopinGal, I'd PM you, but you've disabled your PMs. To do a quote, type



how do I cut and paste just parts of former posts into those little blue boxes?!!

and it turns out like this:
how do I cut and paste just parts of former posts into those little blue boxes?!!

To do the cut&paste thing, highlight the bit you want copied, hold down 'ctrl' and press 'c'. That copies the bit to your 'clipboard'. Then you can hold down 'ctrl' and press 'v' to paste the bit from your clipboard into your post.

Starfury
December 30th, 2004, 09:11 AM
Of course, I agree with everybody.

Sam is definitely my favorite character, partly because I see a bit of myself in her--both who I really am and who I would like to be.

I'm having a hard time thinking of any favorite Sam episodes beyond those that have already been mentioned. I love Amanda/Sam even more now that I know the "idiot" line in Foothold was ad-lib. That's such a great Sam episode.

I don't think anybody's mentioned Nightwalkers yet, though. It's a great Sam episode--Sam in charge, Sam being clever, Sam kicking butt. Even if it did seem a bit too much like an X-Files episode.

Yep, I love Sam.

I also agree that if Sam is not the CO of SG-1 in season 9, I'll feel betrayed. If we get some good solid Carter-in-command episodes between now and the end of season 9, I wouldn't be so bitter if she stepped down after that, but she needs at least 1 full season of strong command, and IMO, so far season 8 ain't it.

I'm in the camp that doesn't like Pete but the jury's still out on whether I'll like the arc because it all depends on how it plays out in the end. Sam is a hero, but I like my heros to be human, I like to see them vulnerable to ordinary mistakes, errors of judgement, problems etc...I like seeing Sam struggle with a relationship that's probably a dumb mistake the same way I loved seeing Daniel laid up with appendicitis because it was so ordinary. People, real people, even really smart, talented people, have those types of problems. I see some of Sam's reactions WRT Pete as out of character for her, but then I think, people do stuff that's out of character for themselves sometimes, because they're trying to be someone or something they're not, because they think it's what they want. I think it's getting old and needs to be wrapped up...but as long as they conclude this particular arc in a way that ultimately leaves Sam's integrity intact, even if it means she looks kinda dumb in the process, I'll be OK with that, and I think it's still possible.

But back to the Fabulousness that is Sam...or rather, Amanda, because beyond the writing, it's Amanda that makes Sam shine. I doubt I'd like the character at all with another actress in the role. I can't imagine anybody else pulling it off.

Somebody mentioned how much of Amanda is brought into the character of Sam. It's made me wonder if we'll see any effect on Sam because of Amanda's being a mommy, beyond the schedule limitations. I mean, will it make a difference in how Amanda plays the character of Sam? How Sam reacts? We know the pregnancy won't be written into the show in any way, and I think that's wise, but it's still a big deal for Amanda. So, it'll be interesting to see what effect it has on Sam.

gatebee
December 30th, 2004, 10:17 AM
AT has made the character of SC more impressive due to her great acting. She has mastered the ability to be brainy, practical, emotional, flawed, have a love life, control her love for J, and be a leader for her team, and a woman. When she comes back after giving birth, I am sure that she will be a greater actress cause having a baby changes alot of things in ones life. She will be a amazing leader for SG1.

Gatebee :D :D :D

astrogeologist
December 30th, 2004, 02:18 PM
Just want to reiterate how much I love this thread!
Many thanks to MajorSal for starting it!

The following are just a few of the Sam Carter/Amanda Tapping scenes that stand out for me (both for the character of SC and the acting of AT).

1. The scene with Martouf in the episode The Tokra (part 1) where she is sitting on the sand dune with her knees pulled up (talking about Jolinar and schizophrenia) -- I can still see this scene in my mind. As many of you have noted in previous postings, this was a stellar perfomance.

2. The scene near the end of the episode in Singularity where Sam tries to leave Cassandra but can't.

3. The scene in Death Knell where we first see Sam hiding from Anubis' drone -- AT had no lines, and the scene was very short, but AT's acting was exceptional -- as Chopin Gal stated, what AT can do with a facial expression! AT portrayed the exhaustion and relief so perfectly!

4. The scene at the end of Death Knell where O'Neill asks her if she wants to get up (stupid question, btw - he should have started assessing her injuries). AT stated that she was uncomfortable with the way that this scene was written... it could easily come across as the weak woman collapsing against the strong male saviour (a cliched ending if there ever was one). So, I was blown away with how AT played the scene - she definitely did not come across as the stereotypical emotional woman who falls on the male... no, AT claimed that scene as she played the exhausted soldier - with no emphasis on her sex. She simply played it so believably!

5. The scenes at the beginning of Space Race... where Sam wants to join the race - for the fun of it.

6. The episode ‘Grace’ surprised me. Surprised and impressed me.

I have been watching and reading science fiction for over 30 years (scary how fast the years pass), and the episode ‘Grace’ goes beyond standard TV science fiction.

First, I had heard and read synopses of the show… Carter is stranded alone on the Prometheus… and has some time to think about her life. Now, stranding main characters on a ship is an old TV sci fi plot device, so, to be honest, the episode sounded fairly… boring. But then I finally got to watch ‘Grace’ (on the DVDs) – and I was stunned at how well the episode was constructed, filmed and acted. The story was never boring… and in fact, the episode seemed to reach the end all too quickly. I have actually watched this episode three times now (and that was a first for me with a TV show episode), and I see more commendable attributes with each viewing!

Amanda Tapping’s acting was simply stellar - five-star http://forum.gateworld.net/images/gw_rating/rating_5.gif ! She truly acts – she doesn’t just stand in the scenes, say her lines and let the scene play out around her (as many TV actors do). She put forth an exceptional performance worthy of the cinema or theatre – and she was believable – and that believability, that veracity is what is so outstanding. And AT does this all the time, not just in Grace. And it's what makes AT stand out head and shoulders above almost all other actors.

Of note, AT deserves special commendation for the following scenes:
(and please note that these are only a few of what could be included)

Sam to Daniel: Were you this annoying when you were ascended?
(an absolutely wonderful line, perfectly delivered by AT).
Daniel: I don't know, depends on who you ask. I thought I had a certain je ne sais quoi. Timing was so so.
(The interaction between Sam and Daniel was wonderfully played by both actors.)

Daniel: Look, you just need some help, that's all. Can't you just try to go along with this?
Sam: You're me talking to.. me?
(another perfect delivery by AT).

Daniel: Well I think you're going about this all wrong.
Sam: This is helping?
(and again another perfect delivery)

When Sam fights for consciousness and slides down the wall while ‘Daniel’ is trying to get her to consider the possible sentience of the cloud.
(superbly acted by AT… and that slide down the wall looked painful)

Sam wakes up on the floor: This is real. This is real.
(excellently acted by Amanda Tapping)

The entire scene with Jacob.

Sam watching the bubbles at the end and AT does a fantastic job of showing on her face when the inspiration hits her… when she connects the bubbles to a possible way to get out of the nebula/cloud. Again, her facial expressions and reactions are simply believable and, somehow honest – and that is the very essence of an exceptional actor – one who can act and yet it doesn’t seem like they are acting.

Grace: What you looking at?
Sam: It's complicated.
Grace: Try me.
Sam: I'm gonna try and save myself with a bubble.
Grace: How?
Sam: The hyperdrive won't fully engage because of the cloud but maybe it doesn't have to. If I can dial down the power flow to the hyperdrive emitter theoretically I should be able to cause a partial shift into hyperspace, essentially taking the ship out of the cloud's space time. Hopefully just enough to eliminate its effects on the sub light engines.
Grace: Neat.
Sam: Yeah.
(Sam talking technobabble to herself… and her enthusiasm showing through – beautiful. AT plays this with such positive enthusiasm that it’s hard not to smile along with her)

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The writing for this episode deserves 4-stars http://forum.gateworld.net/images/gw_rating/rating_4.gif .


The ensuing story effectively interwove Sam’s efforts (and voice-overs) with Sam’s periods of unconsciousness, her hallucinations… and the little girl citing the words to Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star… along with a couple of looks at what how the search was progressing from the SGC-side. The incorporation of Teal’c, Daniel, Grace, Jacob and Jack into Sam’s hallucinations was wonderfully executed and integrated.

Grace was actually a complicated, yet ‘tightly’ woven episode. There were so many different threads and perspectives… the writing, directing and acting were amazing! For a TV show? Almost unbelievable – this type of quality is so rare that it’s almost non-existent. Grace is not standard one-hour TV-episode fare.

Just a few of the exceptional lines and scenes are below (in addition to the ones cited earlier):

The action and story set-up at the beginning was wonderfully thought-out and filmed. Lots of action, suspense, science fiction storyline and good integration of secondary characters

Teal’c: That's not all. Everything may not be as it seems.
Sam: Well thank you but the fact that I'm talking to someone who's not really here kind of speaks to that.

Daniel: Hey! Have I told you my latest theory yet? It's really cool. Lose something?
Sam: Did you see a…
Daniel: Little girl?
Sam: Yeah.
Daniel: No.
(Love the dry humor)

Sam: The cloud is alive?
Daniel: Yeah, it's a sentient being like feelings, memories. Space born alien entity if you will.
Sam: That's crazy.
(The different theories presented via the personas of Teal’c and Daniel were nicely executed… in character for T&D, but also right down ‘plausible science fiction plot lines’… great writing to have these conversations show how Sam is trying to work through the possibilities).

Jacob: I know it sounds corny but you get to an age, you get to an age where you think of everything you did wrong as a parent. Don't take this the wrong way.
Sam: I know, I don't look so good.
(Love the dry humor and that these folks don’t take themselves too seriously)

Jacob: I wanted so many things for you Sam. And look what it's brought you instead.
Sam: Sure, the massive headache really takes the edge off it all.
(very effective gallows humor)

Sam: Dad, I am happy. I've seen and done things most people couldn't even dream of. I have an incredible life.
Jacob: And yet you're alone.
Sam: Well lately the dating scene's been a little stale but then again I am marooned on a space ship.
(Loved this last line)

Sam: I'd let you go right now if I knew.
Jack: That easy?
Sam: I didn't say it would be easy.
(wonderfully written)

Jack: Will you guys shut up? Let her work.
(And Jack trusts her – an exceptional line)

These excerpts from the Grace transcript are from the Stargate SG-1 Transcript website
http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm

I deliberately tried to stay away from most of the ship/non-ship lines or implications as that would spark numerous additional pages on a topic outside the scope of this thread. My feelings on J/S ship are fairly well portrayed in my fanfics such as 'Come Fly With Me' (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1889596/1/) and'What Will It Take' (http://home.comcast.net/~molokini/WhatWillItTake.html) (all available on Fanfiction.net, Heliopolis and Gateworld).

If you like Carter-centered fanfic, I have written
'Nine (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1889509/1/)' - about a young nine-year old Sam at the present-day SGC
'Overtime (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1909552/1/)' - Sam as the heroic, competent soldier
'A Beautiful Mind (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1888236/1/)' - The NID get their hands on Sam.
I have other recommendations for Carterfic at http://www.fanfiction.net/u/599721/

If you have a chance, please check out Chopin Gal's newest fic 'Head Trip' (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2179219/1/) at Fanfiction.net.

ChopinGal
December 30th, 2004, 03:50 PM
Thanks, Sky and Madeleine, for the "blue-box" tips! Now, let's see if I can read directions:

ChopinGal, I'd PM you, but you've disabled your PMs. To do a quote, type

Er...no blue box?! :S

However, I can't resist responding to my "missing PMS" - Holy Hannah - most of the time my PMS is pretty noticeable :eek:

Okay, okay ... I'll check around on the board and figure out why my PMS is disabled ... :D

aeromathlete
December 31st, 2004, 01:50 AM
Because Sam, our "National Treasure," deserves much more than the second page.

BUMP!

And I just watched Grace today, too! I didn't like it the first time that much, but upon rewatching...WOW. My favorite parts are when Jack is giving her some pep talk, though. He respects her SO much and she knows that, which is what makes that aspect of the episode so compelling. Sam's willpower is amazing. Her ability to even fragment her thought processes into different characterizations of her friends, albeit illusion, was powerful and key to observing different angles on the same situation. Her problem-solving skills are magnificent, and Grace really let her shine a little bit. Even if it was a dream.

And as astrogeologist mentioned:

Jack: Will you guys shut up? Let her work.
(And Jack trusts her – an exceptional line)

That was my favorite line in the entire episode. Awesomeness.

astrogeologist
December 31st, 2004, 11:39 AM
Because Sam, our "National Treasure," deserves much more than the second page.

BUMP!

And I just watched Grace today, too! I didn't like it the first time that much, but upon rewatching...WOW. My favorite parts are when Jack is giving her some pep talk, though. He respects her SO much and she knows that, which is what makes that aspect of the episode so compelling. Sam's willpower is amazing. Her ability to even fragment her thought processes into different characterizations of her friends, albeit illusion, was powerful and key to observing different angles on the same situation. Her problem-solving skills are magnificent, and Grace really let her shine a little bit. Even if it was a dream.

And as astrogeologist mentioned:

Jack: Will you guys shut up? Let her work.
(And Jack trusts her – an exceptional line)

That was my favorite line in the entire episode. Awesomeness.

The more I watched and thought about the episode Grace, the more I grew to appreciate what the writers, directors and actors accomplished - which was much more than I had anticipated (I have watched so much scifi, that I am a bit jaded -- I love scifi...and I watch almost anything that airs, but I don't expect to be blown away very often... ).

And, just a note - I love the SC picture in aeromathlete's signature :cool:

astrogeologist
January 2nd, 2005, 01:05 PM
My favorite "Sam" moments....

Singularity. Riding with Cassie in the elevator. Being unable to leave her. That scene breaks my heart everytime I watch it.

Solitudes. Trying to keep Jack alive. Working so hard to get them out. Climbing out of that hole just to see miles of snow and ice. Her quiet "I'm here Jack" when he calls for Sara. Just lovely stuff.

In the Line of Duty. Maybe Sam's best episode (to me). I loved the Jolinar arc and thought it introduced a whole new layer to Sam's character. The scene at the end - when she's laying in bed after Jolinar has died to save her. Just fabulous work from AT.

Tok'ra I&II. I've loved the arc with Sam's father Jacob. And the scenes when she tells Jacob what she really does (in the hospital room) and they go thru the gate together really touched me. I really felt that Sam was at last reassured that her father was proud of her.

Jolinar's Memories/Devil You Know. Again, part of the Jolinar arc and I loved what Sam went thru in Jolinar's Memories to help Martouf. I loved that they let Sam just be one of the gang and be tortured like everyone else. And again - great scenes with Jacob and Sam.

Foothold. Kickass Sam to the rescue. Snarky Sam telling off Maybourne. What's not to love.

Exodus/Enemies. My favorite episodes for Sam the brilliant scientist and Sam the great soldier. Blowing up the sun was a wicked cool plan. And snarky Sam running thru the halls blowing away replicators with her P90 is the Sam I love to see. Had some great Sam lines.

JACK: Carter? How do you know where to go in a place like this?
SAM: I studied certain respects of the ship while we were on Vorash.
JACK: You know how to have a good time, don't you?
SAM: I'm having a good time now, Sir.
JACK: You GO girl.

JACK: Yes! Well, next time, maybe we'll just wait and see.
JACOB: And blow the last chance I'll ever have to being right?
SAM: (Laughing) Welcome to MY life!

Meridian/Paradise Lost. The "Sam loves her team" episodes. I really thought these were both good to show how close Sam is to the boys. Her scene at the dying Daniel's bedside. When she broke down in the locker room over Jack's disappearance. Accepting comfort from Teal'c. These all make me weepy just thinking about them.

Grace. I know this isn't everyone's cup of tea but I really loved it. My interpretation (I guess) was different from many people's and I enjoyed seeing Sam face up to her inner fears and demons and doubts. And question her choices in life. I loved AT's performance in this one.

Death Knell. What I enjoyed about Sam in this episode is that she was stripped of her computer models and her technobabble was in basic survival mode. Sam can hold her own - on a physical level - with the best of them and she really showed it here. Seeing Sam being less-than-glamorous. A real soldier. It all worked for me. And of course I love the exploration of the father/daughter relationship with Jacob and there were some really great scenes in this one.

What a wonderfully thought out post! Thanks! And I have to agree wholeheartedly with the Foothold assessment! "Kickass Sam to the rescue. Snarky Sam telling off Maybourne. What's not to love."

CARTER: Maybourne, you are an idiot every day of the week! :mad:
Why couldn't you have just taken one day off?! :confused:

That is one of my most memorable 'Sam lines'!
And thanks to MajorSal for letting us know that AT adlibbed that line!

Amanda adlibbed that line to Maybourne.

sgater926
January 6th, 2005, 10:22 AM
I just saw this thread and had to put my 2 cents in. Forgive me if I repeat some of what has already been said. I didn't really have time to read all of the posts. I love the character of Sam Carter. I started watching stargate because of the chemistry between the all of the main characters but I enjoy Carter the most. I think Amanda Tapping and the writers have done a great job with the development of the character as well...until season 7 that is (and I place no blame on AT for that). I think season 7 has found the character out of synch with the rest of the show's running.

Sam is a strong woman (unlike some other female main characters who are either incredibly stupid or so over-the-top feminist that it's ridiculous) and she has strong convictions. Her behavior up to season 7 dictates that she does what she does well and she does it passionately. There is nothing half-hearted about her actions or decisions. As a scientist she doesn't jump to any conclusions hastily...she has to think everything through...it's her nature. I think TPTB have forgotten or chosen to ignore that small factor of the character. I do appreciate seeing side of Sam that's not just the soldier/scientist however the Sam I know and love would not hastily jump into a relationship with Shanahan and certainly not an engagement. I also firmly believe (and this is one of the chief problems I see) that Sam knows the seriousness of the Stargate Program and would not petition for her *boyfriend* to get clearance. I think Sam is fully aware of just how many base personel go home to their spouses and aren't able to tell them anything...why should she be any different? They've made up cover stories before...why not now? I am a firm believer that Pete should not have clearance of any kind, especially because at the point he received it, there was (and in my opinion still is) a chance that they won't stay together.

While I don't believe there is any obligation on either of their parts and there have been no real promises, I am an S/J shipper at heart and fervently hope that they end up together. I'm still trying to decide if I can tolerate Pete as a platonic-friend-type-person for Sam (definitely not the romantic thing), but I am having trouble getting past his stalker issues (and I do like 'Pete-whumping' fics...he makes great villain too). I guess only time will tell.

To sum up, Sam is a great character and is entitled to make mistakes and to not be "herself" occasionally but I think someone really missed the boat with season 7 (not to be cliche or anything). Well, I think I'm done ranting now...maybe...

graculus
January 6th, 2005, 01:53 PM
I haven't seen Grace in a while, but it was one of my least favorite episodes of Season 7. The main reason is it depicted Sam as being hung up on man issues, planning her life around whether she was going to get a fulfilling relationship. I also thought the quasi-confession about Jack took away some of Sam's maturity - it made it seem like she was now ready to move on from a crush. I really disliked that way of portraying Sam.

One of the reasons I wish Grace had been better (in the sense of filling out Sam's character) was that I also disliked Space Race, which was another Sam-centric episode. I really do like the character of Sam! I don't think giving her screen time should be dismissed as Sam-Spam. I don't mind her technobabble: that's part of Sam's character. I like to see Sam solving technical problems and getting down and dirty with a soldering iron. I also like to see Sam exhibit her military competence - kicking butt, exhibiting her marksmanship skills, and being given the chance to be the Hand Signal Person In Charge.

In future Sam-centric episodes I hope to see Sam grow as her own person, who doesn't have to define herself vis-a-vis the men around her.

Later,
Graculus

astrogeologist
January 6th, 2005, 05:37 PM
I love the character of Sam Carter. I started watching stargate because of the chemistry between the all of the main characters but I enjoy Carter the most. I think Amanda Tapping and the writers have done a great job with the development of the character as well...until season 7 that is (and I place no blame on AT for that).


Sam is a strong woman (unlike some other female main characters who are either incredibly stupid or so over-the-top feminist that it's ridiculous) and she has strong convictions. Her behavior up to season 7 dictates that she does what she does well and she does it passionately. There is nothing half-hearted about her actions or decisions. As a scientist she doesn't jump to any conclusions hastily...she has to think everything through...it's her nature.

Wonderful posting! I agree, I agree! :cool:

And I'm so relieved to see that AT will definitely be back for most of Season 9... hopefully the writers will create some strong scripts for her character.

astrogeologist
January 6th, 2005, 05:44 PM
I don't mind her technobabble: that's part of Sam's character. I like to see Sam solving technical problems and getting down and dirty with a soldering iron. I also like to see Sam exhibit her military competence - kicking butt, exhibiting her marksmanship skills, and being given the chance to be the Hand Signal Person In Charge.

Very well stated and I wholeheartedly agree!

We need some scenes where AT shows competence in the field - kicking bad-guy butt... saving lives... and commanding in the field! Hopefully, the writers will give us some of that in Season 9. Women in the military need some strong, competent, yet personable portrayals on TV and in the movies. :cool:

I also like your turn of phrase: 'Hand Signal Person In Charge' -- so perfectly descriptive! :D

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DarkQuee1
January 6th, 2005, 06:07 PM
I haven't seen Grace in a while, but it was one of my least favorite episodes of Season 7. The main reason is it depicted Sam as being hung up on man issues, planning her life around whether she was going to get a fulfilling relationship. I also thought the quasi-confession about Jack took away some of Sam's maturity - it made it seem like she was now ready to move on from a crush. I really disliked that way of portraying Sam.


I didn't have a problem with Grace, because there's nothing wrong with dealing with personal issues for our characters. Sam, until she got to the SGC, where she was judged solely on her abilities, has had to be better than the men to get ahead. She's had prior relationship problems. And she's a workaholic. As a result, she's put her personal life on hold and I don't have a problem with exploring that.

I *did* have a problem with the solution, the Pete thread, because I *do* think that it ends up demeaning Sam, because of the way Pete has been written. I have no clue what TPTB were thinking in the way they are writing Pete. They want me to like him--so they say--but every step has been a misstep for me. (And I have liked to one degree or another the other men who have courted Sam: Martouf, Narim [who turned out to be a stand-up guy], Joe [in 2001, but not in 2010 where he betrayed his world], even sad-sack Orlin). Pete is not someone I'd want to know in real life--and that's how I judge my characters.

As for Jack: I don't think the ep showed it to be a "crush" at all. I think it showed that Sam was no longer sure of Jack's feelings--it had been "in the room" for so long--and she was afraid that if she continued to put her personal life on hold until the regs were no longer an issue, she might find out that Jack was no longer interested and she had wasted all those years. The thing is that, for all her brilliance, Sam is not that good at reading people. If she were, she would know that Jack's feelings had not changed. (This was emphasized in Jack's reactions in the *real* part of the ep--what was going on back at the SGC.)

I thought Grace was an excellent ep.

graculus
January 6th, 2005, 06:24 PM
I agree that whole characters have personal lives, and I include Sam in that. It was just cool that for a minute Sam stood for a woman with other priorities. Since that apparently proved impossible to maintain, my vote goes with Pete rather than Jack. I've just never seen the chemistry between Sam and Jack. That's not to say that Jack doesn't exude sex appeal - and I saw chemistry with Sara (Harley Jane Kozak) and a certain comfort level with Lara. I did, on the other hand, see chemistry between Pete and Sam. Sam is obviously less "tense" with Pete, and he seems to bring out her softer side. So if we have to ship Sam, I think Pete's the way to go.

Later,
Graculus

majorsal
January 6th, 2005, 10:20 PM
I agree that whole characters have personal lives, and I include Sam in that. It was just cool that for a minute Sam stood for a woman with other priorities. Since that apparently proved impossible to maintain, my vote goes with Pete rather than Jack. I've just never seen the chemistry between Sam and Jack. That's not to say that Jack doesn't exude sex appeal - and I saw chemistry with Sara (Harley Jane Kozak) and a certain comfort level with Lara. I did, on the other hand, see chemistry between Pete and Sam. Sam is obviously less "tense" with Pete, and he seems to bring out her softer side. So if we have to ship Sam, I think Pete's the way to go.

Later,
Graculus

spoilers for s7's chimera

If I could turn off my Sam/Jack shippiness, I'd *still* not want Pete for Sam. He's not a monster by any means, but he was disrespectful to her in Chimera. I don't care if his 'cop instincts' kicked in or not, he still should have respected Sam's situation that she couldn't tell him what she did for a living. Was it ever shown in the ep that he was worried about her safety, or worried about his own, or that he thought she was into something illegal - because those are the only reasons I can think of for him doing what he did to her. For as long as I've thought about Chimera and Pete's actions/reactions in that ep, I still can't figure out why the writers wrote it like that unless they were going to go somewhere with it.

Even if I didn't like Chimera or the Pete storyline, I still like the writers delving into Sam's personal life.

And I LOVED Grace!

Sally :D

graculus
January 6th, 2005, 10:39 PM
I agree that Pete crossed the line in investigating Sam, but I think anyone with his resources would be tempted. I don't go for lunch meeting these day without expecting that the other person googled me. This is a society that lurches wildly between ideas of security and privacy, the power of knowledge and terror of the stranger. Pete had to face up to what he did, though, and Sam forgave him.

Jack, on the other hand, seems to be uncomfortable with Sam's intelligence, and sometimes he's outright mean to her. I figure that he's distancing himself as a matter of professional respect, so dallying with him won't get in the way of her career. He must have had a hand in getting Pete SGC clearance, too. I'm sure Jack wants the best for Sam, and he seems to think that the best is someone other than himself with Sam.

Later,
Graculus

majorsal
January 6th, 2005, 11:58 PM
I agree that Pete crossed the line in investigating Sam, but I think anyone with his resources would be tempted. I don't go for lunch meeting these day without expecting that the other person googled me. This is a society that lurches wildly between ideas of security and privacy, the power of knowledge and terror of the stranger. Pete had to face up to what he did, though, and Sam forgave him.

Jack, on the other hand, seems to be uncomfortable with Sam's intelligence, and sometimes he's outright mean to her. I figure that he's distancing himself as a matter of professional respect, so dallying with him won't get in the way of her career. He must have had a hand in getting Pete SGC clearance, too. I'm sure Jack wants the best for Sam, and he seems to think that the best is someone other than himself with Sam.

Later,
Graculus

Hi, Graculus. I feel what we're talking about has went too far off the topic of this thread, so I've moved this question to the 'ship discussion thread 1' and replied.

http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=263257&postcount=544

I hope we can continue this discussion there.

Sally :)

aeromathlete
January 7th, 2005, 12:18 AM
Back on topic: Sam is really cool! ;)

astrogeologist
January 7th, 2005, 10:22 AM
Back on topic: Sam is really cool! ;)

I second that observation! :cool:

And, for all who are interested, I ran across this thread yesterday:Sam Carter / AT - S9 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=7029) -- Another thread that is Pro-Carter and wondering how BB's character will affect the team dynamics.

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astrogeologist
January 7th, 2005, 10:54 AM
Originally this post was in reply to a comment made on the Sam-Jack Ship Family Thread (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=3078), but I felt that the sentiments were most appropriate for the Carter thread, so I'm posting it here too.


IGTBTK Great seeing Jack use his ancient powers. [Again, I'll say-- Can we please see Sam use her powers before this show is over?!]



I agree. The show is more fun and interesting when it advances and develops the SciFi qualities of ALL of the major characters. The stories lately have been sorely lacking in their inclusion of Carter's heroic qualities and contributions. They had an episode where Teal'c got his mojo back... and they need something along those lines for Carter. Here's hoping that Season 9 does the character some justice.
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Coley
January 7th, 2005, 12:20 PM
Hi
I've enjoyed reading this thread. Astrogeologist's long post was the best I've read on the site so far. So thoughtfully written. Many things on that post I've thought myself, and some things which I hadn't, but agree with. So thanks for taking the time to post it

I also like the Grace interaction with Daniel. He flutters his eyelashes at Sam at one point and I think Amanda struggled not to laugh, but the exchange between them was perfection.

Agree with the "Welcome to my life" A writing gem with a superb delivery - emphasis on the "my"

I loved the scene between her and Janet and Cassie at the opening of Right of Passage. (I'm missing Janet) And the scene with her and Cassie playing chess in the middle of the ep'

AT delivers all her lines with total perfection and her expressions are brilliant. A lot of them are just for the briefest of moments. I'm amazed the big movie makers aren't beating her door down with a battering ram!

Having said all that, I don't like the way her character was written in season 7, she has just suddenly changed. I mean the acting is just superb, just not carter season 1 to 6, it's too much of a jump for me. I don't mind her with Pete, but the ship should end between her and jack, I think she has far too much integrity as an individual to date someone seriously when she's obviously still in love with O'Neill.

My take on O'Neill's attitude to Sam is he's crazy about Sam, but scared to death of being close to someone again???

Carter is just the best female role I have come accross, I doubt anyone other than AT could have portrayed the character so superbly. I hope we get back to her kicking butt in season 9 (though I haven't seen any season 8 yet)

astrogeologist
January 7th, 2005, 01:08 PM
Hi
I've enjoyed reading this thread. Astrogeologist's long post was the best I've read on the site so far. So thoughtfully written. Many things on that post I've thought myself, and some things which I hadn't, but agree with. So thanks for taking the time to post it

I also like the Grace interaction with Daniel. He flutters his eyelashes at Sam at one point and I think Amanda struggled not to laugh, but the exchange between them was perfection.

Agree with the "Welcome to my life" A writing gem with a superb delivery - emphasis on the "my"

I loved the scene between her and Janet and Cassie at the opening of Right of Passage. (I'm missing Janet) And the scene with her and Cassie playing chess in the middle of the ep'

AT delivers all her lines with total perfection and her expressions are brilliant. A lot of them are just for the briefest of moments. I'm amazed the big movie makers aren't beating her door down with a battering ram!

Having said all that, I don't like the way her character was written in season 7, she has just suddenly changed. I mean the acting is just superb, just not carter season 1 to 6, it's too much of a jump for me. I don't mind her with Pete, but the ship should end between her and jack, I think she has far too much integrity as an individual to date someone seriously when she's obviously still in love with O'Neill.

My take on O'Neill's attitude to Sam is he's crazy about Sam, but scared to death of being close to someone again???

Carter is just the best female role I have come accross, I doubt anyone other than AT could have portrayed the character so superbly. I hope we get back to her kicking butt in season 9 (though I haven't seen any season 8 yet)

Welcome aboard, Coley! :cool: Thanks for your kind comments and I agree with just about everything you said regarding Carter, although I have to admit that O'Neill has me pretty confused! (but that's a topic for another thread :rolleyes: ).

I'm just a woman here, who loves scifi adventure...and needs to see some strong female heroes... Here's hoping that Season 9 develops the character of Carter in a positive light.

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astrogeologist
January 7th, 2005, 02:28 PM
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Sam Video Montage

If you haven't already seen it there is a wonderful Sam-video-montage at

http://www.rocketfic.com/clips/from_my_friends_hi.mov

From RocketChick's homepage (http://www.rocketfic.com/clips/clips.php) (which is a Janet-fan-site, but has this wonderful video of Sam clips). From her main webpage, you can scroll down and find links to the Sam-video.

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astrogeologist
January 7th, 2005, 03:22 PM
One of the best Sam Carter moments – that hooked me on Stargate – was at the beginning of the Season 3 episode ‘Forever in a Day’. SGC personnel are fighting all-out against advancing Jaffa. In the midst of the pitched battle Sam capably handles an RPG (rocket-propelled grenade launcher, if I have that correctly).
What astounded me when I saw these fleeting intro scenes was how the writers and directors allowed Carter to simply function as one of the soldiers. No comment on the fact that she was a woman… or that RPGs are usually associated with macho men… More typically an RPG is something that they would have had Teal’c or O’Neill wielding. But Carter got to do it… and they simply moved on without fanfare. I was so impressed at how they handled the female soldier, that I became an avid fan from thereon after.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/FIAD175compositeE.jpg
First two photos are screen captures from the StargateFan website (http://www.stargatefan.com/index.html)
Rightmost photo is a screen capture from the Abydos Gate Website (http://tapping.stargate-sg1.hu/photos/index.php)

After that I ordered the Season 1, 2 and 3 DVDs and watched them in order. What a treat! So many great Carter moments (see earlier posts).

Being a female scientist myself, I love seeing Carter organically solve techno-science problems. AT has created an intelligent female character who isn’t arrogant or b----y.

I also like seeing the ‘softer side of Sam’… the moments when they let her cry…. or simply dress in jeans or a skirt and a simple shirt.

But when each new episode begins, I have to admit, I am always hoping that they will show more of the oh-so-competent kick-ass ‘Soldier Sam’.


As gracalus stated “I don't mind her technobabble: that's part of Sam's character. I like to see Sam solving technical problems and getting down and dirty with a soldering iron. I also like to see Sam exhibit her military competence - kicking butt, exhibiting her marksmanship skills, and being given the chance to be the Hand Signal Person In Charge.”

My vote overwhelmingly goes to giving Sam lots of screen time as the Hand Signal Person In Charge! :cool:
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graculus
January 7th, 2005, 03:27 PM
My vote overwhelmingly goes to giving Sam lots of screen time as the Hand Signal Person In Charge! :cool:
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Mine, too! Sam does a lean and mean hand signal!

Later,
Graculus

jckfan55
January 7th, 2005, 04:15 PM
One of the best Sam Carter moments – that hooked me on Stargate – was at the beginning of the Season 3 episode ‘Forever in a Day’. SGC personnel are fighting all-out against advancing Jaffa. In the midst of the pitched battle Sam capably handles an RPG (rocket-propelled grenade launcher, if I have that correctly).
What astounded me when I saw these fleeting intro scenes was how the writers and directors allowed Carter to simply function as one of the soldiers. No comment on the fact that she was a woman… or that RPGs are usually associated with macho men… More typically an RPG is something that they would have had Teal’c or O’Neill wielding. But Carter got to do it… and they simply moved on without fanfare. I was so impressed at how they handled the female soldier, that I became an avid fan from thereon after.

My vote overwhelmingly goes to giving Sam lots of screen time as the Hand Signal Person In Charge! :cool:
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I loved that too. She just saw the need and stepped in. And (to this non-military expert) unless we had really good effects, it look like AT handled it well.

astrogeologist
January 7th, 2005, 04:41 PM
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One of my 'All-Time Favorite Sam Carter Moments'
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ASTRONAUT'S PERSPECTIVE

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/Carterlooksatearthfromorbit.jpg
Carter admires Earth from orbit... realizing dreams...
... dreams of being an astronaut... dreams of exploring space...

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Photo is from The Abydos Gate Website (http://tapping.stargate-sg1.hu/photos/index_gal.php?spgmGal=Stargate_SG-1/Season_2)
http://tapping.stargate-sg1.hu/photos/index_gal.php?spgmGal=Stargate_SG-1/Season_2
Screen capture from Season Two's "Serpent's Lair'; Carter is in the death glider with Teal'c

astrogeologist
January 8th, 2005, 01:25 AM
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Here's another excellent Carter music montage

'Not Just Another Pretty Face' (http://www.shimatsuno.de/upload/PrettyFace2.wmv) by Shima

The official video for Amanda Tapping at the German City Con (last year?)
First Place Winner of the Stargate 2003 Music Video Awards: Carter category
http://www.shimatsuno.de/Englisch/e_video.html

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Coley
January 8th, 2005, 01:31 AM
Just skimmed through all the posts again.
There are just too many superb SC/AT moments to put on the thread
But here are a few more of my fave's:
Her peeved look at the Huggable Hammond in Ascention when he denied her request to join SG16.
Her exchange with O'Neill in Unatural Selection when he wanted to call the ship "The Enterprise" - the whole scene was brilliant.
Her "What are you looking at?" to Daniel as he inspects her should be chest wound in The Knox
Her interaction with the "Flower Girl" in 1969 - just wonderfully warm.
Her exchange with McKay in the gate room re the pulse machine in Redemeption
I loved her performance in "The Changeling" (loved CJ's performance too for that matter).
Her reaction when Earnest was running naked towards her and Daniel in Torment of Tantalus (was he really naked?)
Her peeved look in Upgrades when O'Neill said "Carter wanted steak and her retort "It was your idea....Sir!" Again a perfect delivery in timing and emphasis
Oh so many many more
I too didn't realise the "Idiot" line to Maybourne in Foothold was adlibbed - thanks for that snipped - that was a real gem!
She's just my favourite actor - along with Judy Dench - Anyone seen her acting in "As Tme Goes By"? Wonderful comedic delivery and facial expression - they are very much alike as actors.
I'm too hoping for more Action Sam in season 9 - she does it so well!!

meimei
January 8th, 2005, 07:41 AM
I love the character of Sam. I just wish the writers would stop trying to girlie her up! She's a strong female character that can be feminine without needing to be a girlie girl. They need to get back to the basics with her character. I started to see that in IGTBK. I just hope that they keep it up for the rest of S8 and stay that way for S9!

Coley
January 8th, 2005, 08:47 AM
love the character of Sam. I just wish the writers would stop trying to girlie her up! She's a strong female character that can be feminine without needing to be a girlie girl. They need to get back to the basics with her character. I started to see that in IGTBK. I just hope that they keep it up for the rest of S8 and stay that way for S9!


Hear, Hear!

astrogeologist
January 8th, 2005, 10:07 AM
Just skimmed through all the posts again.
There are just too many superb SC/AT moments to put on the thread
But here are a few more of my fave's:
Her interaction with the "Flower Girl" in 1969 - just wonderfully warm.
Her exchange with McKay in the gate room re the pulse machine in Redemeption
I loved her performance in "The Changeling" (loved CJ's performance too for that matter).

Oh so many many more

She's just my favourite actor - along with Judy Dench - Anyone seen her acting in "As Tme Goes By"? Wonderful comedic delivery and facial expression - they are very much alike as actors.

I'm too hoping for more Action Sam in season 9 - she does it so well!!

Coley -- thanks for citing those great SC/AT moments... especially some of the ones with humor :D

You mentioned SC/AT's part in The Changeling... and just last night, I ran across a music video called
'Fireman Sam' (http://www.laurajo.net/sg1/videos/firemansam.zip) (based on... Sam's scenes in that episode...)
http://www.laurajo.net/images/episode103.jpg
The video file is a ZIP file that unzips to a .WMV file that can be played in Windows Media Player.
The author's website is LauraJo's Lunar Lounge: I Hope You Dance (http://www.laurajo.net/sg1/videos/character.htm)

I have not seen "As Time Goes By"; however, I have seen Judy Dench in many big-screen films, and I agree that she is a wonderful actress. Love her as 'M' in the James Bond films :p

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Madeleine
January 8th, 2005, 10:43 AM
Is this "Fireman Sam" video set to the music of the TV show Fireman Sam? That'd be sooo funny :D

dipsofjazz
January 8th, 2005, 10:51 AM
Is this "Fireman Sam" video set to the music of the TV show Fireman Sam? That'd be sooo funny :D
:D Yes it is Madeleine! :D

Madeleine
January 8th, 2005, 10:55 AM
ROFL, that's brilliant!

Now if they were to use the original (Welsh) version of the song that would be funnier still :D

astrogeologist
January 8th, 2005, 11:48 AM
Is this "Fireman Sam" video set to the music of the TV show Fireman Sam? That'd be sooo funny :D

Ah ha! So it's from a TV show...! Where does the show air?

Coley
January 8th, 2005, 11:55 AM
Cheers Astrogeologist
"As Time Goes By" Is a long running sitcom. I think it ran for about 7 seasons. It aslo has Geoffery Palmer in.
I haven't the software -for fancy vids - sob - there seems to be so much around from fans on this site. I'm on win95 and 65meg ram so doubt if I could download media player???
Soo many fans are Soo creative. Another great thing about the show - inspiring!!
One of the shippers was off to make up a video earlier today and it made me get my finger out and create a music cd. Not stargate releated though. - Fave songs from growing up. It's playing at the moment. It Starts with "Layla" Derek and the Dominoes and this cd ends with Cat Stevens - Just Another Night. I'm really enjoying listening to it. Yellow Brick Road by Elton John is playing now. I guess this dates me eh!

astrogeologist
January 8th, 2005, 11:57 AM
Ah ha! So it's from a TV show...! Where does the show air?

ok, ok, Googled it and answered my own question... 'Fireman Sam' was an animated series with 32 episodes "It was first broadcast on the BBC and S4C (the UK's Welsh language broadcaster) in 1986 and it continues to be broadcast on both channels today and has been sold to broadcasters in over 40 countries from Poland to Korea." From tvtome.com (http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-23394/Fireman_Sam/)

The Stargate 'Fireman Sam' music video was great fun!
'Fireman Sam' (http://www.laurajo.net/sg1/videos/firemansam.zip)
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Coley
January 8th, 2005, 11:58 AM
Oh p.s. recently seed Judy Dench in Ladies in Lavender - a lovely film!

astrogeologist
January 8th, 2005, 12:29 PM
Cheers Astrogeologist
"As Time Goes By" Is a long running sitcom. I think it ran for about 7 seasons. It aslo has Geoffery Palmer in.
I haven't the software -for fancy vids - sob - there seems to be so much around from fans on this site. I'm on win95 and 65meg ram so doubt if I could download media player???
Soo many fans are Soo creative. Another great thing about the show - inspiring!!
One of the shippers was off to make up a video earlier today and it made me get my finger out and create a music cd. Not stargate releated though. - Fave songs from growing up. It's playing at the moment. It Starts with "Layla" Derek and the Dominoes and this cd ends with Cat Stevens - Just Another Night. I'm really enjoying listening to it. Yellow Brick Road by Elton John is playing now. I guess this dates me eh!

Windows 95... that's not too old... but only having 65MB of RAM... OUCH! In this audiovisual age, I can't imagine only having 65MB of RAM... two years ago, I upgraded from 128MB to 1 Gigabyte -- I was just so tired of having my system lock up (I was very good at 'hard shut downs')! The extra RAM cost money, but I've had pretty smooth sailing for the past two years. Now I can have 20 windows and 8 different programs open at the same time and the system doesn't even whimper! :cool:

You'd love the Stargate music video montages - especially the Sam-centered ones. I am very impressed with the time, effort and creativity of some of the fans! And for their creations to be posted for everyone to view? Such fun!

Do you know anyone with a newer system with more RAM? Someone who would let you borrow their computer for a few hours while you got a chance to check out the Stargate music videos? (Might have to buy them lunch or some such...?) :rolleyes:
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As far as dating yourself... then you've dated me too... because I know each of the songs and artists that you listed... Cat Stevens is one my favorites from my high school/college years... ;)

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Coley
January 8th, 2005, 01:02 PM
Astrogeologist
Thanks for the info. I'm hoping to get a new computer soon. I've had this clunker for 8 years now!! Then I shall have to find all the links to all the vids in the threads!! My only worry is keeping the system protected from viruses and hacking. My current computer seems to be immune thanks to win95!
I'm a fairly new member and I'm very heartened by how friendly helpful and sharing all the members seem to be. It's just lovely!!

Ahh at last someone who isn't sub 25! I though I may be the only one?! I really like Cat Stevens - got nearly all his CD's. I really enjoyed my compilation CD - a lot of foot tapping tracks - TREX - Metal Guru, I love to Boogie. Moody Blues - I'm just a singer.... Wings - Band on the Run - there was some good stuff about in the 70's!

jckfan55
January 8th, 2005, 01:48 PM
By and large the writers have done pretty well by Sam. I think I heard some of that was due to AT's advice to the writers not to write her "as a girl" but as a team member. But I don't think a lesser actress would have gotten us so attached to Sam as a character. When I started watching I loved Jack's irreverence and the good stories. But Sam quickly became a favorite. BTW--I love As Time Goes By. Dame Judy can do just about anything--comedy or drama. Some of you might know her best as the latest M in the James Bond movies.

jckfan55
January 8th, 2005, 02:31 PM
I loved how Sam and Daniel handled being interrogated by the "bad guys" in the episode where we meet Martin (later in Wormhole Extreme)--can't remember the episode title. Not only was that a funny scene (IMO) but it really showed Sam cool under pressure and how she and Daniel can practically read each other's minds & work together in a tight spot.

astrogeologist
January 8th, 2005, 02:35 PM
I think I heard some of that was due to AT's advice to the writers not to write her "as a girl" but as a team member. But I don't think a lesser actress would have gotten us so attached to Sam as a character.

Nicely stated! :cool:


From what I've read AT deeply wants to portray a female officer in a positive and constructive light. She seemed to have a feeling of committment towards all of the women who really are in the military and how tough their lives are (in that male-dominated world). Here is an excerpt from an AT interviewthat kind of stuck with me:

[When] asked what sort of colonel Carter is going to be: Tapping stated:"... judging by the women that I’ve met in the military I’m going to conduct myself with grace and dignity and do my job really well." Cult Times (http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/ipw-web/b2/index.php?m=200406#57) (June 2004)

And I've heard AT quoted many times as stating that she wants to be a team member who happens to be a woman... and not the woman who happens to be a team member. The following is an excerpt from an interview in last Fall:

"...the thing that makes me so proud of this character and something that we've worked on for eight years is that she's so professional and so smart and so on top of her game and so competent," Tapping said in an interview during a break in filming on the show's Vancouver, B.C., set. "The dynamics between the four of them is so important, and the loyalty to the team and to the program and to exploration and to science." From SciFi Wire (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2004-07/01/12.00.sfc) and the SciFi Magazine (http://www.scifi.com/stargate/cast/oneill2.html) (Aug 2004)
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Portions of these interviews also touch upon the impact of incorporating storylines about Carter's personal life - and AT's views on that. I'm not going to include excerpts here from those portions of the interview however, because it could easily turn the focus of this thread onto the volatile question of ship... and there are already several good on-going threads for ship.
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Matt G
January 8th, 2005, 03:28 PM
Is this "Fireman Sam" video set to the music of the TV show Fireman Sam? That'd be sooo funny :D

Don't you mean cringeworthy? :rolleyes:

astrogeologist
January 8th, 2005, 03:35 PM
You've got to see it... and I guess it takes a quirky sense of humor to enjoy a main protagonist and heroic character set to the music from a cartoon... but the video is well put together... won a Stargate Music Video Award for best vid based on an episode... and I can't watch the vid without smiling... now is that because it's lighthearted... or because it's AT sunny face smiling on the screen? :rolleyes:

astrogeologist
January 8th, 2005, 03:55 PM
There are just too many superb SC/AT moments to put on the thread
But here are a few more of my fave's:
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Her exchange with McKay in the gate room re the pulse machine in Redemeption


The following is from the Stargate SG-1 Transcripts (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm) website

MCKAY: (To, it looks like Siler who's measuring the distance with a tapemeasure) Right here. (Walks down the ramp, to Sam) You just want to be able to take credit for it when it works.

SAM: (Pointed, just for him ;)) For the record, I *HATE* you. (Lovely smile on her face)

MCKAY: Well, can't get any worse, then,can it?

SAM: Oh, no. I'm rapidly working up to "Despise".

MCKAY: You know, we're obviously gonna have to get over this physical attraction thing if we're going to work together.

SAM: (Whispers) I think I can act as though it never existed.

MCKAY: Shall we save the world?

SAM: (Sarcastically) Before I take the credit for this ... shouldn't the EM pulse generator be pointed *AT* the gate??

MCKAY: (Points at her) You're good! (Sam points back at him smiling) VERY good! (The SF's turn the EM pulse generator around)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/samandmcckayredemptionpt2.jpg
Photo is a screen capture from Redemption Part 2; from the Abydos Gate website.
I tried to find a photo on the web that showed the look on AT's face just milliseconds before this... but this was the closest that I could get. :rolleyes:
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dipsofjazz
January 8th, 2005, 03:58 PM
You've got to see it... and I guess it takes a quirky sense of humor to enjoy a main protagonist and heroic character set to the music from a cartoon... but the video is well put together... won a Stargate Music Video Award for best vid based on an episode... and I can't watch the vid without smiling... now is that because it's lighthearted... or because it's AT sunny face smiling on the screen? :rolleyes:
I think she has the most wonderful smile and it always lights up the screen. :D

Coley
January 9th, 2005, 01:35 AM
Just the IDEA of Fireman Sam makes me laugh. I did think it myself when watching the ep' but to put a vid together using the music, I think, is genious!!

Thanks for the extract from Redemption Astrogeologist. This kind of scene is why I love Stargate so much - the wondeful humour (and Sam Carter) I believe the Directors were not too happy with the scene, I think they thought it was a little overplayed - they made some comment about it on the commentry. I though it was perfect myself!

I think everyone on the thread is of the universal opinion that they love the way AT has portrayed this character. As a soldier she is totally believable - possibly on the scientific side is a bit expert in too many fields to be totally believable, but I don't mind that too much. It would be a big loss to the show if she decides to leave before the series winds up

Another thread prompted me to watch the opening scene of Metamorphosis last night. Her exchange with Jonas is brilliant. I though the pair acted very well together, there was quite a bit of comedy between them. I was disapointed when Corin left. Jonas was a great character. I though they could have kept both Daniel and Jonas, with Jonas training up on the military side to give the team a bit more beef, as well as forming a great duo with Daniel. Anyway, back top topic Amanda's "Chicken ****" really suprised me, I did chuckle, but it was the first time I noticed the character swear! I wonder if AT fought saying that?

I too loved that interrogation scene, their expressions said it all!!

I'm afraid I'm one of the few, I think, that liked Avenger (apart from the end scene) I though it was hilariously tongue in cheeck and there were some classic acting and scripting moments. I loved the scene at Felgers house. Well the ep appealed to my sense of humour I guess. It was brilliant acting by all three (including Felgers assistant Chloe)

Another fave moment. In Ascention - the opening scene when she repeated "Very advanced" to the general re the newly discovered technology - again perfectly delivered with a perfect expression, and then her look when O'Neil went ahh ahh what did I say?!" - about no touching, she flashed him a wonderful glance.

MS's acting has also come on leaps and bounds. There was a moment near the end of Evolution part 2 when he was holding a bolder. The look he gave it before casting it to one side was one in a million. Also his acting in Lifeboat was brilliant.

Anyway, I do hope TPTB stop trying to girlie Sam up (though maybe Amanda wants to play her different - she must be worried about getting typecast) Amanda does it girlie) perfectly. Her Girlie performance in Chimera makes her a totally different Sam to the one in 2010, or Ascention, again shows what a great actor Amanda is, but I think Sam is more 2010 like than Chimera like off base. Just my opinion though. I also have heard about a particular moment with Pete at the end of one ep in season 8 which had me going "no way what are the writers trying to do to poor Sam?" Lets hope they turn it back around in season 9

Sam/AT Rules!!

Coley
January 9th, 2005, 01:35 AM
Oh yes - she has the best smile I've seen!!

astrogeologist
January 9th, 2005, 12:15 PM
Thanks for the extract from Redemption Astrogeologist.

I dug out my Season 6 DVDs and played with making my own screen captures... :rolleyes:
... and made this excerpt panel from that little scene with the pulse generator. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/247655865XjWtqa_ph.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/247655865XjWtqa_ph.jpg
"Before I take the credit for this ... shouldn't the EM pulse generator be pointed *AT* the gate??"

And I thought that short exchange between Carter and McKay was wonderful!

After your reference to it, I listened to the Director's Audio Commentary and I think that one of the directors was stating that he didn't care for having two characters with humorous lines at the same time... I think the director prefers the standard pairing of a funny guy with a 'straight man'. But I disagree in this case - I think that this scene played out wonderfully for both characters! Both actors did a wonderful and playful job with it. AT delivered sarcastic, yet playful humor (not easy to do). I also thought it was a great widening of the scope of Carter's character... get her out of that serious straightjacket a little. She's always smiling at O'Neill's sarcastic humor... so let her show a little of her own every now and then. :p
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dipsofjazz
January 9th, 2005, 12:23 PM
:( I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing your pic. I'm getting the red cross.

astrogeologist
January 9th, 2005, 01:57 PM
:( I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing your pic. I'm getting the red cross.

Hmmm.... I booted up my other computer... and then opened this thread... and the pic is showing up ok for me... hmmm...

So... I edited my previous post above and added a link directly to the pic
And then I also uploaded the pic to Gateworld and added it as an attachment to the previous posting.

Let me know if neither of those is accessible for you :)

dipsofjazz
January 9th, 2005, 02:28 PM
:D Thanks. Now I can see it in all its glory! I also loved that scene. I think AT has great comedic timing and I would love to see more of it.

majorsal
January 9th, 2005, 07:14 PM
I'm afraid I'm one of the few, I think, that liked Avenger (apart from the end scene) I though it was hilariously tongue in cheeck and there were some classic acting and scripting moments. I loved the scene at Felgers house. Well the ep appealed to my sense of humour I guess. It was brilliant acting by all three (including Felgers assistant Chloe)

I liked Avenger too! Including that fantasy ending scene! :p The guy that plays Felger (can't remember his name right now) is a great comedian to me. The ep was fun and funny.



Anyway, I do hope TPTB stop trying to girlie Sam up (though maybe Amanda wants to play her different - she must be worried about getting typecast) Amanda does it girlie) perfectly. Her Girlie performance in Chimera makes her a totally different Sam to the one in 2010, or Ascention, again shows what a great actor Amanda is, but I think Sam is more 2010 like than Chimera like off base. Just my opinion though. I also have heard about a particular moment with Pete at the end of one ep in season 8 which had me going "no way what are the writers trying to do to poor Sam?" Lets hope they turn it back around in season 9

I like the 'girl' side of Sam. I was taken aback a bit when it showed up so strong in Chimera, but that's just because we'd never seen that side of Sam before. I can NOT say I enjoyed Chimera (I'm an extreme Sam/Jack fan), but Amanda was gorgeous and wonderful in that ep nonetheless. I'll never be able to watch that ep again, though (waaaaaay too painful).

What I want in season nine for Sam:

SHOW Sam commanding Sg1! And I mean *really* show her. Show her struggle with a decision on her own. No Jack or another commander to get advice from; just Sam having to make the 'hard' decision on her own. Amanda would nail it!

(with the shipper side of me) Let Sam finally get Jack! :D Let her be happy in a relationship that she's wanted for years.

Show Cassie again, and how having to take care of this girl is affecting Sam.

I'd really like season nine to be the fulfillment of what Sam's been working for and wanting since she stepped foot into the SGC all those years ago. She's got command of THE leading SG team, she's happy in her private life (Jack), and her goals in the future are... to finally be at peace with where she's at in her life. Let Sam come full circle.

Sally :D

majorsal
January 9th, 2005, 07:22 PM
And I thought that short exchange between Carter and McKay was wonderful!

After your reference to it, I listened to the Director's Audio Commentary and I think that one of the directors was stating that he didn't care for having two characters with humorous lines at the same time... I think the director prefers the standard pairing of a funny guy with a 'straight man'. But I disagree in this case - I think that this scene played out wonderfully for both characters! Both actors did a wonderful and playful job with it. AT delivered sarcastic, yet playful humor (not easy to do). I also thought it was a great widening of the scope of Carter's character... get her out of that serious straightjacket a little. She's always smiling at O'Neill's sarcastic humor... so let her show a little of her own every now and then. :p
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I love Sam exchanges with McKay too! :D

It was so fun to see this side of Sam (snarky). We'd never seen her react like this, but then again, no one's ever been this rude to Sam before. He wasn't just challenging her/questioning her intelligence, he was insulting her because of his jealousy. I still think McKay's a jerk (I don't want Atlantis, so I don't know if he's changed), but I greatly enjoyed Sam's come-backs to his arrogance and such.

Sally :D

astrogeologist
January 9th, 2005, 09:07 PM
What I want in season nine for Sam: SHOW Sam commanding Sg1! And I mean *really* show her. Show her struggle with a decision on her own. No Jack or another commander to get advice from; just Sam having to make the 'hard' decision on her own. Amanda would nail it!


Here! Here! All in favor? Motion Carries! :cool:
Here's hoping that TPTB can write Carter appropriately. :D
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I think everyone on the thread is of the universal opinion that they love the way AT has portrayed this character. As a soldier she is totally believable

Competency Under Fire
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/nemesisactionC.jpg
Photos are screen captures from the episode 'Nemesis'
Thor's biopod has already been sent through the Gate and Carter, O'Neill and Teal'c are holding the replicators off while waiting until they can blow Thor's ship as it enters Earth's atmosphere.
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astrogeologist
January 9th, 2005, 09:54 PM
Anyway, I do hope TPTB stop trying to girlie Sam up (though maybe Amanda wants to play her different - she must be worried about getting typecast) Amanda does it girlie) perfectly. Her Girlie performance in Chimera makes her a totally different Sam to the one in 2010, or Ascention, again shows what a great actor Amanda is, but I think Sam is more 2010 like than Chimera like off base. Just my opinion though. I also have heard about a particular moment with Pete at the end of one ep in season 8 which had me going "no way what are the writers trying to do to poor Sam?" Lets hope they turn it back around in season 9

Sam/AT Rules!!

I liked the softer side of Sam in Chimera a lot better than the cold and/or austere Sam in 2010... I like to see her more warm and human... Her 'softer side' came out so well in 'Singularity' with Cassie...and then a little of it in 'Learning Curve' with Merrin... after that they didn't give much more script or screen time to that facet of her character....

And she likes to ride motorcycles and fly jet planes so we should get to see that fire and playfullness sometimes... but she also plays the militarily correct subordinate officer so well, that the playfulness doesn't get to come out very often. Space Race showed a few glimpses of Sam beyond the quiet intellectual scientist and/or militarily correct subordinate.


I like the 'girl' side of Sam. I was taken aback a bit when it showed up so strong in Chimera, but that's just because we'd never seen that side of Sam before. I can NOT say I enjoyed Chimera (I'm an extreme Sam/Jack fan), but Amanda was gorgeous and wonderful in that ep nonetheless.

I too, like the 'girl' side of Sam. I thoroughly enjoyed the beginning scenes in the coffee shop. Humorous dialogue... that was fun and warm. I was enjoyed seeing Sam with a guy... getting to go on a date... AT handled it all so perfectly and I liked what it showed about Sam as a warm, caring person. TPTB, however, made a mistake by taking it too far all in that one episode. There had been how many shows without any mention of Carter dating? And then they suddenly decide to devote some screen time to it... and they do it all at once... in one episode. And, having Pete object to the classified nature and required secrecy of her work - that was a bad decision - a bad decision if they wanted to give the character even half a chance with the audience... but if they intended to sabotage it, then that was the way to do it. When he got out of bed and pulled on his clothes and left after getting pissy because she couldn't tell him about her work... right then his character was doomed. They ramped up Pete's demands too fast and too soon to make him likeable.

And I hated the way that they made Sam 'the weak female' by calling after him as he left that morning. And then showing her calling after him on the phone.... they made her look pathetic. Ugh!

And then having Pete do that background check on her and follow her... I could maybe understand that kind of behavior if they'd been seeing each other for months and she kept missing dates... and coming home injured... and such. But their relationship was so new, that his actions didn't make sense. Not for someone that Sam should care for.

All in all, I was actually looking forward to some character development that showed Sam (and the other guys too) dating and having lives beyond work. But the last few scenes of Chimera weakened the strong admirable qualities that we've come to respect in Sam.

It's too bad that there weren't simple comments throughout the eight seasons... just simple comments about Daniel's latest date... or Sam's... or Jack's or Teal'c's... give them lives outside of work... With just a few passing comments here and there while they are eating lunch or something. Then there wouldn't have been seven years of nothing followed by one episode of overdose.

I'm trying hard to avoid the 'S/J ship' controversies as this isn't a ship thread... but if you want to know how I feel about Stargate ship, then please read 'Come Fly With Me' (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1889596/1/) and 'What Will It Take' (http://home.comcast.net/~molokini/WhatWillItTake.html).
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astrogeologist
January 9th, 2005, 10:21 PM
Another thread prompted me to watch the opening scene of Metamorphosis last night. Her exchange with Jonas is brilliant. I though the pair acted very well together, there was quite a bit of comedy between them. I was disapointed when Corin left. Jonas was a great character. I though they could have kept both Daniel and Jonas, with Jonas training up on the military side to give the team a bit more beef, as well as forming a great duo with Daniel. Anyway, back top topic Amanda's "Chicken ****" really suprised me, I did chuckle, but it was the first time I noticed the character swear! I wonder if AT fought saying that?
Sam/AT Rules!!

That comment also surprised me... but then it would have surprised me coming from O'Neill too - none of the characters talk much like that on TV... the writers, et. al. have kept these characters fairly 'Disney-rated'...which I don't think is typical of special forces soldiers when talking to each other about dating. That aside, when Sam said it.. and my eyebrows rose... I thought... OK.. they just let a little of the jet jockey show through! And I also thought that it showed a little bit of a wider, deeper friendship that had developed between Jonas and Sam. A friendship where they could josh each other around like that... say things like that to each other. And I liked that implication, because there isn't much time for such character development when there is only 42 min of screen time per episode... and they have to save the world... again.. :rolleyes:

Here's to Sam the jet jockey... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/3panleastronaut.jpg
...and to seeing her flying for fun and loosening up a bit ...go out for a beer with some other pilots or SGC team members and just sit around telling tall tales... joshing with the other pilots...
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Skydiver
January 10th, 2005, 08:13 AM
Very well said, Astrogeologist and I agree with the above quote from your post. IMO, the way they wrote Carter in this arc is a disgrace and TPTB really should be ashamed of what they have done to what was once such a strong, intelligent, dignified, professional female lead character. My disappointment with the show is how they have damaged Carter to such a degree that criticisms now seem to outweigh other comments about the character. Unfortunately, for some unknown reason, TPTB have also let the damage to the character seep into her professional life as well (see: the end of Affinity and Gemini as examples). It was bad enough they portrayed her as a "weak, foolish girl" in Chimera but at least it was somewhat focused on her personal life, once it started to creep into her professional life the character, IMO, was damaged ALMOST beyond repair.



I think carter still is a great character, the writers just need to stop having her personal life being teh sole focus of an episode.

My one issue with Pete is that sam went from 'not dating' to intimacy in less than a month. Now i'm not making a statement on her choices, what i am saying is that it's just whammo, out of the blue.

in Grace, she has no one, then in death knell sam says that it's been a month since evolution...so she met and got quite close to pete in less than a month

Sam's jsut not like that. she's always been portrayed as a very methodical person. she's not been portrayed as spontaneous or anything like that

Pete would have been more believable had there at least been some mention of him, both before adn after the episode

right now, he's sort of like a cold sore....something that just pops up and surprises you, then disappears for a while

Just let sam be sam. Write this character who happens to be a female ratehr than this female who happens to be on the show

I do love seeing her fun side. I loved seeing her 'let her hair down' as it is. i think it was a great development and probably a side of her that the guys never get to see. Pete is just like Tealc's pity party in Orpheus....it woulda been more believable had it not just come out of nothing

astrogeologist
January 10th, 2005, 10:24 AM
I liked the softer side of Sam in Chimera a lot better than the professional, austere Sam in 2010... I like to see her more warm and human... Her 'softer side' came out so well in 'Singularity' with Cassie...and then a little of it in 'Learning Curve' with Merrin... after that they didn't give much more script or screen time to that facet of her character....


That's one of the things I liked about Sam, too. Her ability to care about the kids who'd come into the show in their respective episodes.


Oh, me too! That cute little boy (Nox) from The Nox, Ry'ac, Cassie, the kid from Show and Tell, the girl from Learning Curve, Hailey (from Prodigy), the youngin's from Proving Ground, CloneJack from Fragile Balance, the little boy from Revisions, and Grace (from Grace). [...] I like seeing Sam interact with children.


Here's a few episode snapshots of Sam's natural 'softer side'
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/softersideofsamcomp3.jpg
The first photo is Sam and Merrin in the 3rd season episode 'Learning Curve'
and the second and third photos are Sam and Cassie from the 1st season episode 'Singularity'

In 'Learning Curve' the interaction between Sam and Merrin is wonderful as Sam figures out how the reactor works and then explains to Merrin how rewarding it is to figure something out for yourself. This scene interwove Sam's interaction with the young Merrin and Sam's own child-like sparkle and delight when solving mental challenges on the frontiers of science... interpolating between ideas and then extrapolating beyond them.

In 'Singularity' the penultimate scenes are when Carter first tries to leave Cassie, but then just can't do it and she goes back down. AT's acting in these scenes should have garnered awards. The scenes later in the park, with Sam and Cassie on the bench, show a softer, gentler side of Sam Carter that rarely gets to show. But it's scenes like these that flesh out the character of Sam Carter and make her multi-dimensional beyond the proper military subordinate and/or simple science geek.
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Coley
January 10th, 2005, 10:40 AM
Hi I'm enjoying reading a little varied comment about Sam.
Astrogeologist - I love all your little piccis - they're great - thanks!
In 2010 I don't think Sam was cold, she cried in the scene with Janet, was obviously upset at O'Neills attitude at the cabin. I her and Joe showed a very warm marriage after 10 years together esp when he was leaving to go through the gate near the start of the ep'.
What has perplexed me is the sudden change from how she has acted and dressed outside the SGC 1 to 6 than she does in season 7. I too like warm funny Sam, though I thought she was quite adorable as sensible Sam too and very funny in her own way - clock some of her expressions. I liked her dress sense in seasons 1 to 6 - thought it suited her character - and I liked her dress in 2010. Chimera she was just so different and I think she could play warm funny sam wearing her 1 to 6 clothing style and it be a less dramatic change.
Maybe I've got a beef because I'm not a girlie myself and don't wear dresses, but always feel very hurt if people percvieve me as being unfeminine - because I think what you are is not about what you wear - so I guess me reacting to her change is more my problem?!
I agree with all the other comments - they are all thoughful. I too want sam and jack together, but wouldn't be crushed if they were'nt - more peeved with the games beeing played by TPTB.
Lets hope the writers take not of all the comment re Sam's professional character. I also agree it would be nice to see more of the team ouitside the SGC. Even if it is them all together out for a meal!

astrogeologist
January 10th, 2005, 11:38 AM
Astrogeologist - I love all your little piccis - they're great - thanks!

Thanks - I love visual images! "A picture is worth a thousand words" - one of the tenants of my professional presentations. :D
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I liked her dress in 2010.

I felt that the way that they all dressed in 2010 was a reflection of the controlled and restricted society that had been created with the Aschen... Everyone's (Sam, Janet, Daniel, etc.) attire was muted greens, greys and browns (at least that's what stuck in my memory). Very conservative.
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I'm not a girlie myself and don't wear dresses

I don't dress 'girlie' either... no dresses (drives my dad nuts)... no pink... But then that stuff doesn't look good on me.. if it did...hmmmm.... I like the fact that Sam Carter can be totally professional in battlegear and yet can wear casual clothes (as in the park scene in Singularity) or a dress if she feel like it. That's what many women are striving for... the opportunity to choose. The freedom from stereotypes. And I really applaud the show for not writing Sam Carter as the female soldier who was the stereotypical tomboy who doesn't know how to enjoy being feminine. :cool:


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Sam fan
January 10th, 2005, 11:48 AM
hey guys I was thinking about this earlier (yes it did hurt) Sam is a really great human being. You knwo when everyone went crazy because she's let her post go or something in Hero's when Jack was hit? Well think about this? You're in battle? OKay *think hard* If you're best friend? (or the man you loved lets not get into this) Let's just say your best friend for arguments sake, your best friend who you've nown for 8 years grown to respect and really like is suddenly hit- you would be more than devatstated and if there was even a cahnce they were stil alive you would risk your life to save them- for me loyalty to freinds and general human nature comes before the rules always if it was save a friend and be court martialed or don't save a friend and have a great life? I know what I'd choose, I just think people are being way to hard on Sam, this is Sam the human being we're seeing she isn't wander woman she has problems just like everyone else is- we've seen Daniel and Teal'c cry- we've seen Jack comfort Daniel? We've seen the whole team pull together and help each other out so why should Sam eb any different? I think perhaps it's the fans who are making ahuge deal out of the fact that sam's a woman, when Daniel Cried and Sam hugged him or Jack hugged him no one accused him of being weak- why? cause he was a man? I don't know to ne honest with you. I just think some fans are accusing the writers of making it obvious that sam's a weak woman as far as I can see it's us who's doing that?

astrogeologist
January 10th, 2005, 01:35 PM
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Vote for Sam! :cool: :D

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=7601
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THE BIG UNIT
January 10th, 2005, 01:49 PM
Nice Posts, I love Sam, She's my favourite, I liked seeing that side of her, i would also like to see sam and jack together but i dont hate pete, i think he's good for her - to get rid of the "Black Widow Curse" and just for experience in a proper relationship.

Now about Death Knell - I always thought the reason they said only a month is because death Knell was supposed to be before Chimera. I remember seeing an episode schedule where chimera was after the Heroes two parter and before Resurrection in the Episode order, maybe they had to change it at the last minute and the shooting time was already over. I dont remember were i saw it but i also remember beeing in a forum and reading posts discussing the last minute change - and many complaining about. im pretty sure about this.

this is how i remember the originally planned schedule -
Grace, Fallout, Death Knell, Heroes two parter, Chimera, Ressurection, Inauguration, The Lost City,
That is why i never minded that line about it beeing only a month.

Coley
January 10th, 2005, 01:52 PM
Right - got no idea how to insert a quote - apologies!!

Done my voting!

Conservative??!!.... mmm she says smiling to herself - that what all my friends say about my wardrobe. They've been trying to "sex me up" recently. I feel rather stupid in trendy jeans and top and think I may as well be wearing a banner which says sexy resistant!! Of course AT seems to be able to look sexy in anything!
Re your last para Astrogeologist - good point never thought of that - must think outside of my box!

Sam fan - I think everyones getting annoyed at quite a number of things the writers have put in the show. Not just one thing. In military terms she shouldn't leave her post in battle - I assume as she may be putting others at risk if she does. But yes you are right it probably does happen in practice!

Another piece of brilliant AT acting in "forever and a day" when she visits Daniel in the infirmary and is trying not to cry for him! In that ep I like her cloths she wore to Daniels apartment - long black leather coat, thought it suited her. She was conservatively dressed in that too!!

astrogeologist
January 10th, 2005, 03:54 PM
Tok'ra Part One - the initial stroll on the sand dunes with Martouf was so rich with meaning - the closeups of her and him and her reactions to his revelations about Jolinar, etc. Just marvelous acting - so natural and believable. I thought she never looked more beautiful and vulnerable.


I think my fave line when she was out there with Martouf was when she referred to schizophrenia in how it felt to have two sets of memories in her head at the same time. I remember the look on her face, the sound of her voice... just wonderful acting.

I remember this scene so vividly -- AT played it so exceptionally well, that it has stuck with me over the past six years. Once others on this thread commented on it so positively, I decided to go and make a few screen capture panels... of note, I'm not a Sam/Martouf shipper (no offense to anyone who is) - but this scene is still fantastic!

MARTOUF: Jolinar's host, Rosha, was very beautiful. She had eyes like the oceans of Marloon, hair was the colour of Abydos, and her smile was, was as infectious as laughter. In fact, Rosha looked very much like you Captain Carter. You are very beautiful. You'd make a lovely new host for Selmak.
Sam turns away.
MARTOUF: I'm sorry, I've said something to upset you.
SAM: No. Yes! It's difficult enough with just the remnants of Jolinar in here. The last thing I need is another person - symbiote - whatever.
Sam sits down on the edge of the ridge. Martouf stands a little way away.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/samandmartoufpanel1adj.jpg
MARTOUF: I didn't mean to upset you so.
Martouf walks over to Sam and crouches down next to her.
SAM: It's just the thought of going through that again.
MARTOUF: Don't give it another moment's thought. It was an inappropriate suggestion. Please understand that it came from a deep desire to have Jolinar back in my life in some form.
SAM: This must be what it feels like to be schizophrenic.
MARTOUF: What is schizophrenic?
SAM: It's a mental illness humans have. It's like a split personality. Two people in one brain. I mean, there's me, Samantha Carter, and then there's this leftover part of Jolinar that feels things like...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/samandmartoufpanel2B.jpg
MARTOUF: Like...?
SAM: Like some pretty deep feelings for you.
MARTOUF: Jolinar left this imprint on your mind?
SAM: Yes.
MARTOUF: I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, but...
SAM: No! It's just... what you had, you and Jolinar, you were in love longer than I've been alive! Hell, longer than I will be alive!
MARTOUF: She left this feeling with you? You can feel how she felt for me?
SAM: Yes. And it's confusing the hell outta me.
MARTOUF: Why?
SAM: Because it's not just in my mind like a memory, I feel it. Like I've had this relationship with you for 100 years. I don't know if I can describe it with words. What Jolinar felt for you, I don't even think I'm capable of comprehending.
MARTOUF: Maybe there's another way you can communicate it. Perhaps in a way other than words.
They interlock their hands and then Daniel and some Tok'ra guys rush up.
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This scene developed and showed important facets of Sam Carter's character and personality. :cool:

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/samandmartoufpanel2C.jpg

The transcript above is from The Stargate SG-1 Transcript Website (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm#8) episode 211 The Tokra Pt 1.
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jckfan55
January 10th, 2005, 05:44 PM
I think one of the problems with Sam or any other character on a fairly action-y show like this is that the writers may feel they have little time to devote to personal stuff. they may think: " But we've got to attack the Gou'ald and we have cool special effects to show!" When fans say they like the personal stuff they say--ok let's do a whole episode. But I think what some of you have said about seeing Sam's different sides in various episodes might have been better.

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January 10th, 2005, 06:12 PM
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Sam fan - I think everyones getting annoyed at quite a number of things the writers have put in the show. Not just one thing. In military terms she shouldn't leave her post in battle - I assume as she may be putting others at risk if she does. But yes you are right it probably does happen in practice!




I didn't see Sam being in the spot she was as 'a post'. There was a massive fire fight going on, where a soldier would change position where/when needed. Now I'm not a military expert by any means, but I didn't see Sam standing/sitting in that exact spot as her post. Someone on her team went down (a team member, someone she cares deeply for) - I have absolutely no probs with her going to his aid. Maybe the only person she put at risk was herself, but any member of any team would look out for their fellow member(s). In my opinion, Sam did absolutely nothing wrong.

Sally :)

jckfan55
January 10th, 2005, 06:27 PM
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I didn't see Sam being in the spot she was as 'a post'. There was a massive fire fight going on, where a soldier would change position where/when needed. Now I'm not a military expert by any means, but I didn't see Sam standing/sitting in that exact spot as her post. Someone on her team went down (a team member, someone she cares deeply for) - I have absolutely no probs with her going to his aid. Maybe the only person she put at risk was herself, but any member of any team would look out for their fellow member(s). In my opinion, Sam did absolutely nothing wrong.

Sally :)

I agree. I'm inclined to think soldiers check on their wounded comrades and pull them out of the line of fire all the time. I'm sure the other members of the team would have done the same. When Teal'c went after Daniel in "Forever in a Day" did we say--"how unprofessional of him, leaving his post just because Daniel's in danger."?

MajorSam
January 10th, 2005, 06:58 PM
I agree. I'm inclined to think soldiers check on their wounded comrades and pull them out of the line of fire all the time. I'm sure the other members of the team would have done the same. When Teal'c went after Daniel in "Forever in a Day" did we say--"how unprofessional of him, leaving his post just because Daniel's in danger."?

Nope t he problem with all that is people don't ever bash Teal'c or Daniel, and usual say "oh, but they're not military" Yeah, Sam is, and she does have different rules and stuff, but I still think people use that fact as just another thing to twist towards Sam bashing.

I personally think she's the most brilliant character ever, always has, and always will be my favourite characters, and I actually enjoy these so called "flaws and destructions" of her characters the most! I love seeing that she's human because I can identify more with her as a human. If she was some psycho goody goody super soldier who never screwed up, what the heck would be the fun in watching!?

But then again I do have this REALLY weird obsession with her dying a horrible long torturous death... :S So maybe I have unique opinions, but still, I embrace everything that makes her grow as a character. Although Pete should definately die. her whole blowage of of the stalkage REALLY got me... I'll never be able to understand that.

As well Amanda Tapping is the most fabulous actress ever. Whenever I think of ANY other actress, no matter who, being Sam... I just want to curl up in a ball in a corner and cry!

astrogeologist
January 11th, 2005, 01:09 AM
A Matter of Time [...] was the first ep I can remember that *really* showed just how smart Sam was.

After thinking about this, I wanted to get a screen capture of Sam in front of a board filled with equations...but it turns out that they shot those scenes so that you can't get much of a look at the board when they also have Sam in the frame.

Ah well... just have to make do with these other *cool* shots from that episode!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/AMatterOfTimepanel.jpg
In the first image, Sam checks out the new gravity field at the event horizon.
In the second image, Sam orders the iris closed... the incoming wormhole is pulling things through the wrong way!
In the third image, Sam gives 'The Donut Explanation' to Hammond (just how does an astrophysicist explain black hole quantum physics to her superior officer?)... oh..and, blowing up the mountain is not going to solve the problem...
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astrogeologist
January 11th, 2005, 11:51 AM
If she was some psycho goody goody super soldier who never screwed up, what the heck would be the fun in watching!?

I'd like to see them explore the vulnerabilities, emotions and mistakes of the other main characters as well. Not too much - they are suppposed to be intergalactic heroes... but it would give the actors some depth, breadth and variety in their scenes.

Coley
January 11th, 2005, 12:32 PM
Re the Hero's comments

Sticks up a white flag, waves it vigorously around the thread!!

To be honest I don't know what the military protocol would be re battle engagements. I personally didn't find her actions anything to be appalled about, I only assumed the people who are complaining about it are doing so on some known military protocol?

I think she is unwaveringly brave and courageous. As a couple of people have pointed out no one can be perfect and do the correct thing all the time. Our faliability (is there a spell check on this thing?) is part of what makes us human.

I had forgotton about the Martouf scene until reading the thread and agree. I remember having a lump in my throat at the time.

Thanks again to astrogeologist re the piccis!

jckfan55
January 11th, 2005, 12:45 PM
Nope t he problem with all that is people don't ever bash Teal'c or Daniel, and usual say "oh, but they're not military" Yeah, Sam is, and she does have different rules and stuff, but I still think people use that fact as just another thing to twist towards Sam bashing.

I wasn't trying to bash any character. I brought up Teal'c as an example of how Sam seems to be held to a double standard by some people. And Teal'c may not be USAF, but he is a seasoned warrior.

chocdoc
January 11th, 2005, 07:48 PM
This is a terrific thread. Thank you Majorsal for starting this thread, and thanks to others for posting great comments, pictures and links to videos.

Sam is definitely my favorite character, and I really appreciate Amanda Tapping's portrayal of her. She is the main reason why I began watching the show, and why I continue to do so (as well as because of the great team interaction).

So many have already made great comments about what they like about Sam. There are so many impressive things about her---she is extremely intelligent and not afraid to show it, eager and excited about her field of astrophysics, a courageous soldier, and a friend willing to express tenderness. She holds her own quite well in two male-dominated fields, and is a great female role model in general. She's also a bit insecure, and yet at the same time often extremely confident.

One of my favorite Sam moments is in Upgrades when she makes such an exquisite pool shot (I like the fact that AT actually did do this, twice!). I can't imagine anyone else but AT playing Sam. She has the ability to say all that technobabble and make it sound convincing (important for a scifi show!), is athletic and therefore believable as a fit soldier, and expresses tenderness so well.

Finally, for now, Sam is able to think quickly on her feet, under pressure. She doesn't freak out, she doesn't scream, she instead works hard to figure out solutions sometimes on her own, and often with her teammates.

astrogeologist
January 11th, 2005, 08:22 PM
This is a terrific thread. Thank you Majorsal for starting this thread, and thanks to others for posting great comments, pictures and links to videos.

Sam is definitely my favorite character, and I really appreciate Amanda Tapping's portrayal of her. She is the main reason why I began watching the show, and why I continue to do so (as well as because of the great team interaction).

So many have already made great comments about what they like about Sam. There are so many impressive things about her---she is extremely intelligent and not afraid to show it, eager and excited about her field of astrophysics, a courageous soldier, and a friend willing to express tenderness. She holds her own quite well in two male-dominated fields, and is a great female role model in general. She's also a bit insecure, and yet at the same time often extremely confident.

One of my favorite Sam moments is in Upgrades when she makes such an exquisite pool shot (I like the fact that AT actually did do this, twice!). I can't imagine anyone else but AT playing Sam. She has the ability to say all that technobabble and make it sound convincing (important for a scifi show!), is athletic and therefore believable as a fit soldier, and expresses tenderness so well.

Finally, for now, Sam is able to think quickly on her feet, under pressure. She doesn't freak out, she doesn't scream, she instead works hard to figure out solutions sometimes on her own, and often with her teammates.

What a wonderful written post! :cool: :D
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astrogeologist
January 11th, 2005, 08:57 PM
I had forgotton about the Martouf scene until reading the thread and agree. I remember having a lump in my throat at the time. Thanks again to astrogeologist re the piccis!

You're welcome -- I am having fun with them :rolleyes:

And everyone's citings of their favorite scenes (especially the humorous ones that Coley mentioned)
made me think of this one:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/SamhugsThor.jpg
Photos are screen captures from the episode "Small Victories"

This is right after Sam's idea (to blow up 'the O'Neill') succeeds in taking out the Replicator ships.
Sam says 'Yes!' and then exhuberantly hugs Thor
... and then realizes that she's hugging an Asgard...
Sam: "OH! I'm sorry, I didn't hurt you, did I?"
Thor: "I am fine"

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Sarcazmo The Clown
January 11th, 2005, 09:11 PM
I love Sam... I think she's an awesome character, played by a talented actress.
I just hope that the addition of Ben Browder doesn't bump her back down to SG1's second in command. I like the idea of her as the leader and I want to see how it progresses throughout the future of the show.

majorsal
January 11th, 2005, 09:27 PM
I love Sam... I think she's an awesome character, played by a talented actress.
I just hope that the addition of Ben Browder doesn't bump her back down to SG1's second in command. I like the idea of her as the leader and I want to see how it progresses throughout the future of the show.

Oh, me too! We have yet to even touch what she's capable of doing as Sg1's leader. I want to see her handle a really difficult decision (ala Red Sky). And how would she handle Daniel going off on one of his 'act first, think later' situations? And Teal'c being in his 'Jaffa revenge' mood?

Sally :)

Skydiver
January 12th, 2005, 05:53 AM
sam, unfortunately, is the victim of 'danged if you do, danged if you don't'

if she comes up with an idea and saves the day, then she's a mary sue and shouldn't be on the show since she's so unbelievalbe

if she doesn't come up with the idea to save the day, then she's just a stupid character and shouldn't be on the show since she's a waste of space

sam obeys jack's order then she's his 'yes girl' and a disgrace to women in uniform everywhere and should be kicked off the show

sam questions jack's order then she's an unprofessional officer and, you guessed it, should be kicked off the show

malarky

Sam is human. humans make mistakes and, quite often, what sam is getting blamed for is the direct result of the writers/directors saying 'yes, i know amanda dear, but it's written this way so just do it please'

For me, sam is why i watch the show. I started out watching for my RDA fix, but now i watch it because i throughly enjoy the character of sam and her interactions with the other characters

If you go back and watch s1 episodes, sam has changed a ton. She's no longer this rather naive officer with a chip on her shoulder. she's a competant woman who's secure in herself and her job and is a well respected member of the command

Coley
January 12th, 2005, 10:51 AM
Sam Carter for ever!!!

astrogeologist
January 12th, 2005, 12:23 PM
This is a terrific thread. Thank you Majorsal for starting this thread, and thanks to others for posting great comments, pictures and links to videos.

Sam is definitely my favorite character, and I really appreciate Amanda Tapping's portrayal of her. She is the main reason why I began watching the show, and why I continue to do so (as well as because of the great team interaction).

One of my favorite Sam moments is in Upgrades when she makes such an exquisite pool shot (I like the fact that AT actually did do this, twice!). I can't imagine anyone else but AT playing Sam.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/upgradescomposite.jpg
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Clearing the table... of the money too... :D
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Photos are screen captures from the episode 'Upgrades'

Sam fan
January 12th, 2005, 12:43 PM
Sam is wiked!!

astrogeologist
January 12th, 2005, 12:50 PM
I love Sam... I think she's an awesome character, played by a talented actress.
I just hope that the addition of Ben Browder doesn't bump her back down to SG1's second in command. I like the idea of her as the leader and I want to see how it progresses throughout the future of the show.


Oh, me too! We have yet to even touch what she's capable of doing as Sg1's leader. I want to see her handle a really difficult decision (ala Red Sky). And how would she handle Daniel going off on one of his 'act first, think later' situations? And Teal'c being in his 'Jaffa revenge' mood?


SHOW Sam commanding Sg1! And I mean *really* show her. Show her struggle with a decision on her own. No Jack or another commander to get advice from; just Sam having to make the 'hard' decision on her own. Amanda would nail it!


I also like to see Sam exhibit her military competence - kicking butt, exhibiting her marksmanship skills, and being given the chance to be the Hand Signal Person In Charge.


We need some scenes where AT shows competence in the field - kicking bad-guy butt... saving lives... and commanding in the field! Hopefully, the writers will give us some of that in Season 9. Women in the military need some strong, competent, yet personable portrayals on TV and in the movies.


Here's to the promise of a Season 9 with scenes showing Carter competently in command. :cool:
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Photos are screen captures from the episode 'Nemesis'
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jckfan55
January 12th, 2005, 01:36 PM
You have all made some really good comments. As for good "competent Sam" moments-- let's not forget how she matter-of-factly jumped out of the plane in Watergate. What a gal. :)

astrogeologist
January 12th, 2005, 04:41 PM
By and large the writers have done pretty well by Sam. I think I heard some of that was due to AT's advice to the writers not to write her "as a girl" but as a team member. But I don't think a lesser actress would have gotten us so attached to Sam as a character. When I started watching I loved Jack's irreverence and the good stories. But Sam quickly became a favorite.


You have all made some really good comments. As for good "competent Sam" moments-- let's not forget how she matter-of-factly jumped out of the plane in Watergate. What a gal. :)

GERONIMO!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/geronimoparachuting.jpg
Photos are screen captures from the episode 'Watergate'
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Skydiver
January 12th, 2005, 05:23 PM
one of the great things about sam is also about amanda and is mentioned in a recent interview/article with michael green burg

i'll paraphrase it but he mentions how amanda can be someone else just with her looks. by that i mean, teh expressions on her face can be used to differentiate different characters.

take entity for example. her face is so cold and set and mean. with jolinar she's angry and calculating and, under it all, scared to death
the look on sam's face in the end, when cassie comes, chokes me up every time

she doesn't necessarily need a wig or costume to make her 'twins' different....she can do it just with simple expressions and tone of voice.

that ain't easy. There are other actors who always play the same character, just with different names and wardrobes

astrogeologist
January 12th, 2005, 05:28 PM
I loved the bit where she spat out the yellow cube.


OK, I couldn't resist... :p

I LIKE THE YELLOW ONES
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/YellowIsThorsfavorite.jpg
THOR: Would you like sustenance?
SAM: (Thinks for a second) Yes! Thank you. I'm starving. (A tray appears)
THOR: I like the yellow ones.
SAM: (Talking a yellow one and biting it.) Oh, my God!
(She gets a look of disgust on her face, and spits the bite out into her hand.) Sorry. (Tries to smile)

Photos are screen captures from the episode 'Small Victories'
Transcript excerpt is from the Stargate SG-1 Transcripts Website (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm)
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astrogeologist
January 12th, 2005, 06:51 PM
one of the great things about sam is also about amanda and is mentioned in a recent interview/article with michael green burg

i'll paraphrase it but he mentions how amanda can be someone else just with her looks. by that i mean, teh expressions on her face can be used to differentiate different characters.

take entity for example. her face is so cold and set and mean. with jolinar she's angry and calculating and, under it all, scared to death
the look on sam's face in the end, when cassie comes, chokes me up every time

she doesn't necessarily need a wig or costume to make her 'twins' different....she can do it just with simple expressions and tone of voice.

that ain't easy. There are other actors who always play the same character, just with different names and wardrobes


Her expressions are priceless!


AT can do more with a look, a tone, a gesture than any other actor. To borrow a phrase: she runs the gamut of emotion from A to Z


I thought Amanda was *wonderful* in Entity! My fave acting moment was in season 5's Entity. I felt her take on an alien life form was original and powerful. If I'm remembering this right, Amanda came up with the idea of how to perform her. How many times can you think of seeing an alien take over someone, but that person does not speak? All of the Entity's emotions showed through on it's face. That scene when Daniel and Jack are interrogating the Entity, and then Jack gets ticked and starts threatening the Entity... I was totally blow away with how wonderful Amanda pulled that part off. You could see her anger and frustration on her face, without one single word actually coming out of her mouth (and I'm not talking about the monotone voice of the voice synthesizer being used). You could see her facial muscles twitching, trying to hold back the rage it was not able to voice. This will always be my fave acting moment for Sam/Amanda.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/entity5panel100.jpg
Photos are screen captures from the episode 'Entity'

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chocdoc
January 12th, 2005, 07:58 PM
Astrogeologist,

Thanks for all the great pictures. I really appreciate it--They are fantastic!!

Sam rocks!

the dancer of spaz
January 12th, 2005, 10:53 PM
I wonder if I'm opening up a cans of worms here, but I'll go with it anyway. ;) Hey... It's what I do. :P

My justification for asking this is because most of the people who have posted here seem to be of like-minds. If this is too off-topic, let me know! :D

I hope the questions haven't been asked before on this thread...

So, two questions:

1) How do you think they're gonna handle Ben Browder's involvement? I was thinking... It seems like he and Sam are gonna be around the same age, and are gonna be the same rank. Obviously you can't have two Lieutenant Colonels on one team. And, if AT/Sam is gonna be missing for five eps, that allows time for BB's character to lead SG-1. So, when she comes back... What? Will they work together or will BB leave and lead another team? He's supposedly gonna have a large role in the show, but... It seems a little shaky.

2) Credits. I'm thinking (and hoping) that they do all-new opening credits. Because Jack/RDA are pretty much gone ( :( ), Sam/AT will be gone for five eps, and the show's getting all of this "new blood," it would make sense for them to show how the series is changing so drastically. Anyway, I was wondering what you guys thought the layout was gonna be. :) I'm just curious. Surely BB won't get top-billing right? No offense to the guy, but I just don't think you can come in during the ninth season and get to the top of the totem pole. :P


Just wondering... I love speculation, in case you didn't notice. :rolleyes:

astrogeologist
January 13th, 2005, 12:15 AM
I wonder if I'm opening up a cans of worms here, but I'll go with it anyway. ;) Hey... It's what I do. :P My justification for asking this is because most of the people who have posted here seem to be of like-minds. If this is too off-topic, let me know! :D I hope the questions haven't been asked before on this thread...

1) How do you think they're gonna handle Ben Browder's involvement? I was thinking... It seems like he and Sam are gonna be around the same age, and are gonna be the same rank. Obviously you can't have two Lieutenant Colonels on one team. And, if AT/Sam is gonna be missing for five eps, that allows time for BB's character to lead SG-1. So, when she comes back... What? Will they work together or will BB leave and lead another team? He's supposedly gonna have a large role in the show, but... It seems a little shaky.

Yes, this question has been mentioned on this thread several times. As the main premise of this thread is pro-Carter, most of the postings have stated that they want to see Carter in charge once AT returns....

If you are interested, the thread Sam Carter / AT - S9 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=7029) was founded by folks who feel that Carter should definitely command SG-1 in Season 9 (and I wholeheartedly agree). The topic has also been discussed on several other threads.

In this thread 'Sam's a great character', the following specific posts discuss or mention the topic of Carter commanding in Season 9:
Post #125 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=271125&postcount=125)
Post #7 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=239801&postcount=7)
Post #14 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=240071&postcount=14)
Post #32 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=251898&postcount=32)
Post #33 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=251994&postcount=33)
Post #35 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=252096&postcount=35)
Post #39 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=252176&postcount=39)
Post #49 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=262839&postcount=49)
Post #61 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=264193&postcount=61)
Post #94 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=267205&postcount=94)
Post #136 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=271960&postcount=136)
Post #137 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=271989&postcount=137)
Post #138 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=272155&postcount=138)
Post #139 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=272353&postcount=139)
Post #140 (http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost.php?p=272531&postcount=140)
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And the topic is probably mentioned in other posts as well, those were just the ones that jumped out at me as I scanned through the list.
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astrogeologist
January 13th, 2005, 12:18 AM
Astrogeologist,

Thanks for all the great pictures. I really appreciate it--They are fantastic!!

Sam rocks!

Chocdoc -- you're welcome! I love photos and I get a kick out of picking out the shots that 'tell the scene' or 'capture the moment' :cool:

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majorsal
January 13th, 2005, 12:37 AM
You have all made some really good comments. As for good "competent Sam" moments-- let's not forget how she matter-of-factly jumped out of the plane in Watergate. What a gal. :)

When I read the word jump, I thought you were going to say when she jumped/fell backwards through the stargate in the ep 2001. Now THAT is brave! Great moment (except for the way the guys barely reacted to it once she landed in the gateroom). I actually taped that end scene, because I thought it was so cool.

Sally :)

majorsal
January 13th, 2005, 12:47 AM
I wonder if I'm opening up a cans of worms here, but I'll go with it anyway. ;) Hey... It's what I do. :P

My justification for asking this is because most of the people who have posted here seem to be of like-minds. If this is too off-topic, let me know! :D

I hope the questions haven't been asked before on this thread...

So, two questions:

1) How do you think they're gonna handle Ben Browder's involvement? I was thinking... It seems like he and Sam are gonna be around the same age, and are gonna be the same rank. Obviously you can't have two Lieutenant Colonels on one team. And, if AT/Sam is gonna be missing for five eps, that allows time for BB's character to lead SG-1. So, when she comes back... What? Will they work together or will BB leave and lead another team? He's supposedly gonna have a large role in the show, but... It seems a little shaky.

I don't mind if he leads while Sam's away, but when she comes back, she should get her team back. I don't know what the writers have in mind for Sam next season, but she's earned commanding Sg1, so I don't want to see her lose it (even if the reason's her availability).



2) Credits. I'm thinking (and hoping) that they do all-new opening credits. Because Jack/RDA are pretty much gone ( :( ), Sam/AT will be gone for five eps, and the show's getting all of this "new blood," it would make sense for them to show how the series is changing so drastically. Anyway, I was wondering what you guys thought the layout was gonna be. :) I'm just curious. Surely BB won't get top-billing right? No offense to the guy, but I just don't think you can come in during the ninth season and get to the top of the totem pole. :P


My idea:

Amanda Tapping
Christopher Judge
Michael Shanks
Ben Browder
and Richard Dean Anderson

But if they don't get RDA to sign, then maybe they should only list him when/if he makes an appearance (as a guest star).


Sally :)

THE BIG UNIT
January 13th, 2005, 01:42 AM
if RDA doesn't sign i think the credits will go either of these ways

Amanda Tapping
Christopher Judge
Ben Browder
And Michael Shanks as Daniel Jackson

or they list Shanks first because Amanda isnt in the first 5 eps

Michael Shanks
Christopher Judge
Ben Browder
And Amanda Tapping as Lt Col Samantha Carter

And by the way i would be really angry if Browders character took command, especially after everything she's done to finally earn it.

Skydiver
January 13th, 2005, 05:51 AM
being gone for 5 eps should not effect the credits. an actor's position in the credits is a contracturally negotiated thing, and if the take amanda out for 5 eps, unless she's agreed with it, is the epitomy of rudeness.

if you'll recall other s8 eps, such as prometheus unbuond, where sam wasn't seen at all, amanda's name was still there.

IMHO, i agree with the
AT
CJ
BB
MS

unless it goes
AT
CJ
MS
and BB as ______

which could be possible since BB seems to be skiffy's new golden boy

as to command of sg-1. IMHO, kicking sam out of command to put another Lt Col in there smacks of 'punishing' her for not being there. It would be a demotion and would be a horrible thing to do

time will tell, but here's hoping that TPTB treat the character with respect rather than anything else

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 13th, 2005, 08:36 AM
1) How do you think they're gonna handle Ben Browder's involvement?

At the risk of being branded as hopelessly naive, I'm gonna say that I trust in TPTB to handle this situation with dignity, and that Sam will continue to lead the team - assuming that she is able to resume her acting career - 'cause anything can happen with childbirth.

In the five episode interrim, I'd actually like to see Teal'c assigned as the offical leader of SG-1. No human is going to have the tactical experience that Teal'c has, and Jack and Daniel both trust him implicitly. (And if anyone on the show argues that an alien shouldn't head a team, Jack'll remind them that the SGC is under new management. :p )

And when his commanding officer comes back from what or wherever the writers put her, Teal'c will do the honorable thing and galantly bow his head and return command her.

Skydiver
January 13th, 2005, 10:16 AM
And when his commanding officer comes back from what or wherever the writers put her, Teal'c will do the honorable thing and galantly bow his head and return command her.


ya know, i can picture that happening.

"So, teal'c, how did you like being in command?"
"Major Carter, i am again in awe of O'Neill's patience."
"Really?"
"In recent weeks Daneil Jackson often reminded me of Ry'ac when he was a young child and just learning to walk."
"He did?"
"Indeed. in fact, i nearly instituted the jaffa traditon of Mah'kek."
"Mah'kek?"
"I believe the tau'ri call it a leash."

:D

astrogeologist
January 13th, 2005, 10:57 AM
At the risk of being branded as hopelessly naive, I'm gonna say that I trust in TPTB to handle this situation with dignity, and that Sam will continue to lead the team - assuming that she is able to resume her acting career - 'cause anything can happen with childbirth.

In the five episode interrim, I'd actually like to see Teal'c assigned as the offical leader of SG-1. [...] And when his commanding officer comes back from what or wherever the writers put her, Teal'c will do the honorable thing and galantly bow his head and return command her.


ya know, i can picture that happening.

"So, teal'c, how did you like being in command?"
"Major Carter, i am again in awe of O'Neill's patience."
"Really?"
"In recent weeks Daneil Jackson often reminded me of Ry'ac when he was a young child and just learning to walk."
"He did?"
"Indeed. in fact, i nearly instituted the jaffa traditon of Mah'kek."
"Mah'kek?"
"I believe the tau'ri call it a leash."

:D

LOL! Love it! :p :D
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Coley
January 13th, 2005, 11:12 AM
Hi

As always I'm enjoying everyones posts on this thread. Thanks to you all!!

The Dancer of Spaz - good questions - I guess you know how everyone on the thread feels.
One thing I had though of is that AT may actually want a reduced role, be happy with less air time and less demanding dialogue - that may play a part in what TPTB decide to do.
I guess if the series continues she would be the obvious choice to take command of the SGC if she wanted an even more reduced invlovement - but that is in the future - hopefully!

Majorsal. I remember that final scene from 2001. The directors were apparently trying to get some reaction out of the chaps re Sam's injury - but none of them would! Maybe because they didn't want to cause a gateworld storm about treating a female officer with kid gloves?? But who knows?! That shot of her cutting the rope was brilliant though!!

Apparently Amanda did actually dangle on the end of a rope for quite some time to get the shot (Is there nothing she won't do for the show?)- though I would have preferred someone to have shown her how to tie the rope on to the ships bars before climbing over. As a climber myslelf I know the rope work was sadly lacking!! Not AT's fault I hasten to add!! They missed an opportunity to make her look super cool!!

Tok'ra Hostess. A great idea re Teal'c in command. It hadn't occured to me at all, but the more I think about it the more I like it!!!

Again many thanks to astrogeologist for all the piccis. It's nice to smile after a long day at work!!

gatebee
January 13th, 2005, 11:53 AM
You've got to see it... and I guess it takes a quirky sense of humor to enjoy a main protagonist and heroic character set to the music from a cartoon... but the video is well put together... won a Stargate Music Video Award for best vid based on an episode... and I can't watch the vid without smiling... now is that because it's lighthearted... or because it's AT sunny face smiling on the screen? :rolleyes:
where can I see this vid

Gatebee :D :D :D

LordAnubis
January 13th, 2005, 12:52 PM
where can I see this vid

Gatebee :D :D :D
How much of Carter is actually Amanda Tapping? Okay, for example, Carter, for all of her talents and intelligence, is pretty down to Earth, IMO. She dates a Denver police detective, not a fellow rocket scientist. She drinks beer, dresses casually, and doesn't mind getting dirty. Her house is pretty simple, nothing elaborate. Do you think AT is like Carter in being down to Earth, or is she like many other stars and pretty arrogant and self-absorbed?

Personally, I think she has not let the fame go to her head and that's she's a sweet, down to earth person like Col. Carter. What do you guys think?

Coley
January 13th, 2005, 01:01 PM
By all accounts from her interviews, her site, comments from fans who have met her, and her portrayal of SC on SG1, AT seems to be a pretty remarkable woman.

She certainly is very inspiring and intelligent

However we all have our faults

You would really have to know her to form a valid opinion on what she is really like. From a distance we can only hope she is everything she appears to be, whilst accepting she will not be perfect.

We can all have an valid opinion on Sam Carter though - based on all the episodes - I think she is great!!

jckfan55
January 13th, 2005, 01:29 PM
When I read the word jump, I thought you were going to say when she jumped/fell backwards through the stargate in the ep 2001. Now THAT is brave! Great moment (except for the way the guys barely reacted to it once she landed in the gateroom). I actually taped that end scene, because I thought it was so cool.

Sally :)
That was a great one too.

jckfan55
January 13th, 2005, 01:37 PM
IMHO, i agree with the
AT
CJ
BB
MS

unless it goes
AT
CJ
MS
and BB as ______

which could be possible since BB seems to be skiffy's new golden boy



The credit thing is probably subject to major negotiation. Some people have suggested missing 5 episodes would take her off "regular" status and so AT's name wouldn't appear in the title sequence. I hope that is wrong. If she does go off the main credits they better give her some special billing in the opening guest star credits.
My guess is it may go AT, CJ, BB and MS as...
or MS, CJ, BB and AT as...
the "and __ as" is almost as good as being first. And they'll all go after the title, not before as RDA has been.

Skydiver
January 13th, 2005, 01:49 PM
The credit thing is probably subject to major negotiation. Some people have suggested missing 5 episodes would take her off "regular" status and so AT's name wouldn't appear in the title sequence.

however don davis' name was in the credits and i think there are episodes that he missed and we have had whole episodes where varios characters haven't been seen, yet the credits haven't been played with

i think and hope she keeps her place in the front of the show. After 8+ years of hard work, it'd be a real slap in the teeth to do that to her

Coley
January 13th, 2005, 02:27 PM
Skydiver - I agree!

astrogeologist
January 13th, 2005, 06:05 PM
where can I see this vid ((Fireman Sam: You've got to see it... and I guess it takes a quirky sense of humor to enjoy a main protagonist and heroic character set to the music from a cartoon... but the video is well put together... won a Stargate Music Video Award for best vid based on an episode... and I can't watch the vid without smiling... now is that because it's lighthearted... or because it's AT sunny face smiling on the screen?))

Gatebee :D :D :D

Hi Gatebee! :)

Here's the link to the video
'Fireman Sam' (http://www.laurajo.net/sg1/videos/firemansam.zip) (based on... Sam's scenes in the episode 'The Changeling'...)
http://www.laurajo.net/images/episode103.jpg
The video file is a ZIP file that unzips to a .WMV file that can be played in Windows Media Player.
The author's website is LauraJo's Lunar Lounge: I Hope You Dance (http://www.laurajo.net/sg1/videos/character.htm)
I Googled for this info: 'Fireman Sam' was an animated series with 32 episodes "It was first broadcast on the BBC and S4C (the UK's Welsh language broadcaster) in 1986 and it continues to be broadcast on both channels today and has been sold to broadcasters in over 40 countries from Poland to Korea." From tvtome.com (http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-23394/Fireman_Sam/)

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And here are two excellent Carter video montages if you haven't seen them:

'Not Just Another Pretty Face' (http://www.shimatsuno.de/upload/PrettyFace2.wmv) by Shima

The official video for Amanda Tapping at the German City Con (last year?)
First Place Winner of the Stargate 2003 Music Video Awards: Carter category
http://www.shimatsuno.de/Englisch/e_video.html

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Sam Video Montage (http://www.rocketfic.com/clips/from_my_friends_hi.mov) by Rocket Chick

From RocketChick's homepage (http://www.rocketfic.com/clips/clips.php) (which is a Janet-fan-site, but has this wonderful video of Sam clips). From her main webpage, you can scroll down and find links to the Sam-video.

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deepspace
January 13th, 2005, 06:08 PM
LordAnubis said: How much of Carter is actually Amanda Tapping?

I feel that any actor has to take on some of the personality of their character after acting them for 8 seasons. And I think one of the greatest features about Sam's character is that she is down to earth, and one thing I have always loved about Stargate is that because of the military setting, and regulation military uniform, sam has always been dressed simply, which allows her true beauty and her characters personality to shine through.


majorsal wrote: Why do I like Sam? Because she's what I'd like to be. It helps that such a *wonderful* actress is playing her (and has a part to do with my love of Sam Carter).
Sam is one of my most favourite characters of the SG1 team. She is everything I have ever wanted to be, from her scientiffic knowledge to her as a person. Maybe this is why I love her so-called technobabble, as I want to be able to oneday understand every word of it.
And there is no-one other than Amanda Tapping who could play Sam's character like she does.

chocdoc
January 13th, 2005, 07:12 PM
sam, unfortunately, is the victim of 'danged if you do, danged if you don't'

if she comes up with an idea and saves the day, then she's a mary sue and shouldn't be on the show since she's so unbelievalbe

if she doesn't come up with the idea to save the day, then she's just a stupid character and shouldn't be on the show since she's a waste of space

sam obeys jack's order then she's his 'yes girl' and a disgrace to women in uniform everywhere and should be kicked off the show

sam questions jack's order then she's an unprofessional officer and, you guessed it, should be kicked off the show

malarky

Sam is human. humans make mistakes and, quite often, what sam is getting blamed for is the direct result of the writers/directors saying 'yes, i know amanda dear, but it's written this way so just do it please'

For me, sam is why i watch the show. I started out watching for my RDA fix, but now i watch it because i throughly enjoy the character of sam and her interactions with the other characters

If you go back and watch s1 episodes, sam has changed a ton. She's no longer this rather naive officer with a chip on her shoulder. she's a competant woman who's secure in herself and her job and is a well respected member of the command


These are my sentiments exactly. For a small segment of the fans, Sam cannot win. She is damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't. She is perceived as either supersam or someone who makes fatal mistakes and is incompetent; she is seen as either too emotional or not caring enough; she is viewed as extremely intelligent yet too arrogant, she is perceived as too confident in her leadership or as a weak leader; she is too perfect or she is dishonorable, etc.

Sam is why I watch the show too. I agree with your assessment that she is grown into a competent woman and well respected member of the command. She holds her own quite well. AT makes Sam believable to me--showing many sides of the character, her strengths and her faults.

There are very few female characters like Sam on TV---to be a well-accomplished scientist and a colonel in the Air Force, and be kind and gentle is very rare.

Skydiver
January 13th, 2005, 07:45 PM
to me, a character like sam is what atlantis needs.

teyla and weir are ok, but teyla is there for looks. she's the token alien, she's the sex appeal (as evidenced by her costumes). weir is simply hammond with hair. she's a maternal figure.

they're both ok, just not what strikes a chord with me. I like a female character to be a part of the team and part of the show and her gender is just part of her, not her sole reason for being there

I enjoy atlantis, i just think i'd enjoy it more if i had someone like sam to watch

LordAnubis
January 13th, 2005, 07:50 PM
By all accounts from her interviews, her site, comments from fans who have met her, and her portrayal of SC on SG1, AT seems to be a pretty remarkable woman.

She certainly is very inspiring and intelligent

However we all have our faults

You would really have to know her to form a valid opinion on what she is really like. From a distance we can only hope she is everything she appears to be, whilst accepting she will not be perfect.

We can all have an valid opinion on Sam Carter though - based on all the episodes - I think she is great!!
I think you're right, Sam is a great character. She's also cool in that you don't see many female characters that have it all: intelligence, command and leadership ability, decisiveness, emotion, integrity, selflessness, logic, strength, etc. I mean, Sam can cry and be emotional when it's appropriate, not just because she's a woman. Sam is not demeaning to women; she's an inspiration to women, girls, men, boys, etc. I admire her and wish I could be like when I'm older. I wish my character and intelligence and personality were like hers.

I can only hope Amanda is like Sam. :)

Sorry for rambling.

LordAnubis
January 13th, 2005, 07:54 PM
to me, a character like sam is what atlantis needs.

teyla and weir are ok, but teyla is there for looks. she's the token alien, she's the sex appeal (as evidenced by her costumes). weir is simply hammond with hair. she's a maternal figure.

they're both ok, just not what strikes a chord with me. I like a female character to be a part of the team and part of the show and her gender is just part of her, not her sole reason for being there

I enjoy atlantis, i just think i'd enjoy it more if i had someone like sam to watch
Excellent points! The thing is, Sam is a fleshed out, 3-dimensional character; she's living and breathing, whereas Teyla is only emerging as a person. Dr. Weir is still rather cold and, like you said, a female Hammond with less emotion. Gen. Hammond, no matter how hard-nosed he could get, always cared about his people and always tried to do the right thing. Hammond seemed to know instinctively what the right thing was without giving it much thought. However, Dr. Weir seems to have trouble knowing what she should do sometimes. I think, with time, she will change and her character will develop and become a fleshed out person rather than a skeletal 2-dimensional caricature.

A Sam-like character would pump much needed life into Atlantis, for sure. Unfortunately, I don't see Teyla doing this, but with time and some good character development, Weir sure has potential.

Skydiver
January 13th, 2005, 08:02 PM
A Sam-like character would pump much needed life into Atlantis, for sure. Unfortunately, I don't see Teyla doing this, but with time and some good character development, Weir sure has potential.


i could certainly be wrong, but i don't see teyla ever growing into someone like sam. IMHO, she's there because, you know, every show needs it's token female, and like i said, the focus on her seems to be her looks. it's rather shallow.

no spoilers, but before i sleep does showcase weir a bit, and it does flesh her out some more. i can only hope that an upcoming episode does the same for teyla.

maybe i'm holding these two characters up to something unattainable. to me, sam is a great character and just what scifi shows (and others) need.

Shallow can be fun, shallow can be pretty...but shallow gets boring. I'd love to see these other characters developed like sam has been.

it may sound corny to call sam a role model, but in a way she is. She does her job, and does it well. she doesn't trade on her gender, nor does she use it as a crutch. it's just a part of her.

LordAnubis
January 13th, 2005, 08:36 PM
i could certainly be wrong, but i don't see teyla ever growing into someone like sam. IMHO, she's there because, you know, every show needs it's token female, and like i said, the focus on her seems to be her looks. it's rather shallow.

no spoilers, but before i sleep does showcase weir a bit, and it does flesh her out some more. i can only hope that an upcoming episode does the same for teyla.

maybe i'm holding these two characters up to something unattainable. to me, sam is a great character and just what scifi shows (and others) need.

Shallow can be fun, shallow can be pretty...but shallow gets boring. I'd love to see these other characters developed like sam has been.

it may sound corny to call sam a role model, but in a way she is. She does her job, and does it well. she doesn't trade on her gender, nor does she use it as a crutch. it's just a part of her.
It's not corny at all. The hallmark of any good movie or television series is a good character, one we can relate to; one we can laugh at; one we can envy; one we can admire; one we can lust after; or even one we can hate. If you think about your personal favourites (movies or television shows), more likely than not, the characters are what drew you to the show/movie in the first place.

Sam is one of those characters. They all are in SG-1, but in SG-A, they are starting to emerge. If you think back to Broca Divide or Thor's Hammer, the SG-1 characters were about on par with SG-A's current characters...so if SG-A continues on for several more seasons, we should see parallel character development. At least, we can hope.

For sure, Dr. McKay and Dr. Beckett will continue to evolve as will Lt. Col. Sheppard.

keshou
January 13th, 2005, 08:41 PM
I can only hope Amanda is like Sam. :)

I've never met Amanda, although she seems to be a really lovely person.

But what has always impressed me about AT is that she actually researches all that technobabble she has to say. So she will have an understanding of the science involved and what her character is passionate about. I think that rocks. A lot of actors would just memorize the lines.

I also appreciate, according to one interview I read, that AT worries about her character as a role model. I remember she said she laid awake worrying how something might come across to younger girls who watch the show. Don't recall what it was she was worried about but i was struck by how much she cares.

I don't agree with everything they've written for for her character the last year and a half. I think they could have done MUCH more with her arc as the new leader of SG-1, but I've always been proud of Sam and think AT is fab.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing Sam back and interacting with the new team. I think it could be a lot of fun.

As for the credits - I don't really care, I guess as long as they're all happy. If RDA is only in 3 or 4 episodes I do think it's time to drop him from the opening credits completely. They can give him a big guest star billing if he comes back for an episode or two. I also don't think anyone should be above the title anymore. It's going to be interesting, I'll say that.

If the whole SG-1 V. 2.0 doesn't work out I could see Sam going to Atlantis. She could replace Weir easily. Guess I'm not too fond of Weir yet although i understand she's getting better in the last half of S1.

LordAnubis
January 13th, 2005, 08:48 PM
I've never met Amanda, although she seems to be a really lovely person.

But what has always impressed me about AT is that she actually researches all that technobabble she has to say. So she will have an understanding of the science involved and what her character is passionate about. I think that rocks. A lot of actors would just memorize the lines.

I also appreciate, according to one interview I read, that AT worries about her character as a role model. I remember she said she laid awake worrying how something might come across to younger girls who watch the show. Don't recall what it was she was worried about but i was struck by how much she cares.

I don't agree with everything they've written for for her character the last year and a half. I think they could have done MUCH more with her arc as the new leader of SG-1, but I've always been proud of Sam and think AT is fab.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing Sam back and interacting with the new team. I think it could be a lot of fun.

As for the credits - I don't really care, I guess as long as they're all happy. If RDA is only in 3 or 4 episodes I do think it's time to drop him from the opening credits completely. They can give him a big guest star billing if he comes back for an episode or two. I also don't think anyone should be above the title anymore. It's going to be interesting, I'll say that.

If the whole SG-1 V. 2.0 doesn't work out I could see Sam going to Atlantis. She could replace Weir easily. Guess I'm not too fond of Weir yet although i understand she's getting better in the last half of S1.
I didn't know that about AT. Very cool. Give Weir a chance; she'll come along, Kes. I don't think Sam will move over to Atlantis, but she could. It would be weird seeing her there, but if she does, she'd be part of the team, I think, not a replacement for Dr. Weir. Do you really think she might replace Weir one day?

majorsal
January 13th, 2005, 08:49 PM
Sam is one of my most favourite characters of the SG1 team. She is everything I have ever wanted to be, from her scientiffic knowledge to her as a person. Maybe this is why I love her so-called technobabble, as I want to be able to oneday understand every word of it.
And there is no-one other than Amanda Tapping who could play Sam's character like she does.

I feel exactly the same. I have a case of hero worship with Sam AND Amanda. I might be able to imagine someone else playing Sam, but I know I'd not be into the character even half as much as with Amanda playing her. She's a class act!


Sally :D

keshou
January 13th, 2005, 08:55 PM
I don't think Sam will move over to Atlantis, but she could. It would be weird seeing her there, but if she does, she'd be part of the team, I think, not a replacement for Dr. Weir. Do you really think she might replace Weir one day?
Oh, I don't really think so. But Sam could definitely have filled that role. And been better.

I'm giving Weir a chance and am hopeful that I'll like her much better by the end of S1. It's been a struggle though. *sigh*

majorsal
January 13th, 2005, 08:58 PM
to me, a character like sam is what atlantis needs.

teyla and weir are ok, but teyla is there for looks. she's the token alien, she's the sex appeal (as evidenced by her costumes). weir is simply hammond with hair. she's a maternal figure.

they're both ok, just not what strikes a chord with me. I like a female character to be a part of the team and part of the show and her gender is just part of her, not her sole reason for being there

I enjoy atlantis, i just think i'd enjoy it more if i had someone like sam to watch

That's ONE of the reasons I've not watched Atlantis. When they'd had Jessica Steen as Weir, I was very happy with that. I knew Jessica from the show Earth 2, and she played my fave character there. So, when I saw they'd picked an actress that I liked for Weir, I'd actually found a reason to give it a try it. Even though I haven't watched Atlantis, I saw what the new Weir was like in Lost City(s). I wasn't impressed. Amanda grabbed me immediately. If they'd left Jessica on Atlantis, I'd watch it, whether I was afraid of trusting these ptb with another show.

We seem to have similar tastes, Skydiver, so I think I'd feel the same way about needing a Sam (or Amanda) on Atlantis. For me, if I don't have a female lead I want to follow, 75 percent of me being 'into' a show is gone.

Sally :D

LordAnubis
January 13th, 2005, 09:12 PM
That's ONE of the reasons I've not watched Atlantis. When they'd had Jessica Steen as Weir, I was very happy with that. I knew Jessica from the show Earth 2, and she played my fave character there. So, when I saw they'd picked an actress that I liked for Weir, I'd actually found a reason to give it a try it. Even though I haven't watched Atlantis, I saw what the new Weir was like in Lost City(s). I wasn't impressed. Amanda grabbed me immediately. If they'd left Jessica on Atlantis, I'd watch it, whether I was afraid of trusting these ptb with another show.

We seem to have similar tastes, Skydiver, so I think I'd feel the same way about needing a Sam (or Amanda) on Atlantis. For me, if I don't have a female lead I want to follow, 75 percent of me being 'into' a show is gone.

Sally :D
You might wanna give it a chance -- lots of other good characters and even the new Dr. Weir is pretty good, although I agree, Jessica was better and cuter :) She's no Col. Carter, however. :(

astrogeologist
January 13th, 2005, 10:36 PM
[...] when she jumped/fell backwards through the stargate in the ep 2001. Now THAT is brave! Great moment (except for the way the guys barely reacted to it once she landed in the gateroom). I actually taped that end scene, because I thought it was so cool.

Sally :)


That shot of her cutting the rope was brilliant though!!Apparently Amanda did actually dangle on the end of a rope for quite some time to get the shot (Is there nothing she won't do for the show?)

MajorSal, Thanks again for starting this thread!
I have thoroughly enjoyed reading, posting and participating! :D

As a little 'Thank You', I made some screen capture strips from the episode that you cited above, '2001'. These took a couple of hours, but I like the end products! :cool:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/cuttingtherope100.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/droppingintothewormhole100B.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/downtheramp100.jpg
All photos are screen captures from the episode '2001'

When I was stepping through the frames on the DVD, I realized that they were actually showing us the SGC end of the wormhole as we approached it from inside the wormhole! (It's the bright white area).

I agree, MajorSal, this was one of my favorite Sam-scenes. And it was just an exceptionally cool scene...To hang over the horizontal gate, cut the rope and then free-fall into the wormhole...and then shoot out onto the SGC ramp! Just a cool idea and they filmed it exceptionally well.

Now, the guys' lack of reaction? I was astounded with that when I saw the episode... the guys' lack of reaction just looked cold and... it didn't look like they were in the scene... looked like they were still waiting for the director to say 'OK, this one's for real'! Part of the effect however, is the way the scene was cut -- when I was stepping through the frames as Sam tumbled down the ramp, you can see Jack and Daniel are reacting in the background- Jack is wincing and grimacing empathetically as Sam repeatedly bangs into the ramp and Daniel looks like he wants to help. However, as soon as Sam stops, the guys just stand there. The director needed to do something about that.

Now, for those whose eyesight was too challenged by the above small pics, here are some larger versions that are easier to see.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/cuttingtherope150bmp.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/droppingintothewormhole150.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/downtheramp150.jpg
All of these images are screen captures from the episode 2001.
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majorsal
January 14th, 2005, 12:25 AM
MajorSal, Thanks again for starting this thread!
I have thoroughly enjoyed reading, posting and participating! :D

As a little 'Thank You', I made some screen capture strips from the episode that you cited above, '2001'. These took a couple of hours, but I like the end products! :cool:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/cuttingtherope100.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/droppingintothewormhole100B.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/downtheramp100.jpg


All photos are screen captures from the episode '2001'

When I was stepping through the frames on the DVD, I realized that they were actually showing us the SGC end of the wormhole as we approached it from inside the wormhole! (It's the bright white area).

I agree, MajorSal, this was one of my favorite Sam-scenes. And it was just an exceptionally cool scene...To hang over the horizontal gate, cut the rope and then free-fall into the wormhole...and then shoot out onto the SGC ramp! Just a cool idea and they filmed it exceptionally well.

Now, the guys' lack of reaction? I was astounded with that when I saw the episode... the guys' lack of reaction just looked cold and... it didn't look like they were in the scene... looked like they were still waiting for the director to say 'OK, this one's for real'! Part of the effect however, is the way the scene was cut -- when I was stepping through the frames as Sam tumbled down the ramp, you can see Jack and Daniel are reacting in the background- Jack is wincing and grimacing empathetically as Sam repeatedly bangs into the ramp and Daniel looks like he wants to help. However, as soon as Sam stops, the guys just stand there. The director needed to do something about that.

Now, for those whose eyesight was too challenged by the above small pics, here are some larger versions that are easier to see.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/cuttingtherope150bmp.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/droppingintothewormhole150.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/downtheramp150.jpg

All of these images are screen captures from the episode 2001.
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You are *so* wonderful to do this!

(((astrogeologist)))

You're our 'show' of the show and tell. :D

Now about the guys not reacting... I'd first heard that the guys didn't want to wait for the change in camera set up, because they'd wanted to go home. I didn't believe it. The next thing I'd heard was the guys weren't there at the same time that Amanda was, which is why we didn't get to see them react to her. Then, I heard it was officially the first thing I'd said. It was late, the guys were tired, and they didn't want to wait for the camera crew to set up for a different shot(s). I remember Amanda saying that she said to them that the guys would show concern for Sam. I still have a hard time believing this, and I hope to hear otherwise someday. The only thing that didn't ruin the scene was Amanda.

Sally :)

astrogeologist
January 14th, 2005, 10:06 AM
I feel that any actor has to take on some of the personality of their character after acting them for 8 seasons. And I think one of the greatest features about Sam's character is that she is down to earth, and one thing I have always loved about Stargate is that because of the military setting, and regulation military uniform, sam has always been dressed simply, which allows her true beauty and her characters personality to shine through.


Sam is one of my most favourite characters of the SG1 team. She is everything I have ever wanted to be, from her scientiffic knowledge to her as a person. Maybe this is why I love her so-called technobabble, as I want to be able to oneday understand every word of it. And there is no-one other than Amanda Tapping who could play Sam's character like she does.

Nicely written deepspace! :cool:

astrogeologist
January 14th, 2005, 10:13 AM
Now about the guys not reacting... I'd first heard that the guys didn't want to wait for the change in camera set up, because they'd wanted to go home. I didn't believe it. The next thing I'd heard was the guys weren't there at the same time that Amanda was, which is why we didn't get to see them react to her. Then, I heard it was officially the first thing I'd said. It was late, the guys were tired, and they didn't want to wait for the camera crew to set up for a different shot(s). I remember Amanda saying that she said to them that the guys would show concern for Sam. I still have a hard time believing this, and I hope to hear otherwise someday. The only thing that didn't ruin the scene was Amanda.

The guys' lack of reaction made that final scene look pretty weird. I'm surprised that they left the final edit as it was - there just must not have been time to make the guys do it over on another day.

I understand that some folks complained about the lack of emotion in the final scene of Abyss (where SG-1 is standing around O'Neill's bed in the infirmary)... and AT said that that time the reason was because it was shot out of sequence - that they shot the last scene before they'd shot any of the other scenes for that episode. Jumping around from filming a scene from this episode, then a scene from that one, then a scene from another one... all in the same day - I have no idea how the actors do it! :rolleyes:
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Skydiver
January 14th, 2005, 10:18 AM
a lot of stuff is shot out of order, especially right now. I seem to recall AT saying that both infirmary scenes of hers, one from grace, the other from deathknell were shot at the same time...and days/weeks away from the rest of teh shooting

in the past coupel of years, they've taken to shooting several episodes at once to accomodate RDA's time off. Which is one reason we'll have an episode like Promie Unbound, where you really don't see sam and teal'c (at all i think) next to something like Gemini, where you get a lot of sam and teal'c. chances are, although i'm just guessing, that those two episodes were taped simultanously. One unit with MS and CB over on the Promie set, another unit with AT and CJ on the alpha site set

that's got to make things fantastically hard for the actors since they could conceivably go from a light hearted ending scene in the briefing room to a dramatic and tense end of the world scene, all on the same day but for episodes that will air weeks apart

tara3583
January 14th, 2005, 10:44 AM
a lot of stuff is shot out of order, especially right now. I seem to recall AT saying that both infirmary scenes of hers, one from grace, the other from deathknell were shot at the same time...and days/weeks away from the rest of teh shooting

in the past coupel of years, they've taken to shooting several episodes at once to accomodate RDA's time off. Which is one reason we'll have an episode like Promie Unbound, where you really don't see sam and teal'c (at all i think) next to something like Gemini, where you get a lot of sam and teal'c. chances are, although i'm just guessing, that those two episodes were taped simultanously. One unit with MS and CB over on the Promie set, another unit with AT and CJ on the alpha site set

that's got to make things fantastically hard for the actors since they could conceivably go from a light hearted ending scene in the briefing room to a dramatic and tense end of the world scene, all on the same day but for episodes that will air weeks apart


I really hope that tptb get away from that way of filming in s9 and we can return to "team" style stories.

I would love to know how they can go from funny
to really sad scenes, do they get time to "think" themselves into a scene that would need
alot from them?

Coley
January 14th, 2005, 11:13 AM
I agree tara3583 - team based eps are my favourite!

Thanks to astrogeologist yet again for the wonderful caputures. You chose some really nice clips!

Re 2001 ending on the director's commentry they definitely say that the guys wouldn't react, despite their (the director et al) attempts to get them too
It was so disapointing after such heroic footage!

I've always wondered if we'll ever find out what happened to Joe. I though he was rather cute.

Thought of another few of my fave Carter/AT moments this time from Need
When Sam, Jack and Teal'c are stuck down in the mine and Daniel bounces in and talks about the sarcophagus - "I've used it before without any side effects...... and look no glasses" Sam: "Sounds like a side effect to me!" along with a great expression

Coming back through the stargate she gives Daniel a real glare, then when O'Neill says to Hammond - "Had a great time sir, Sam got some naquedah ..... AT just apathetically lifts the package slightly - showing a slight peeve and tirdness from her ordeal.

I though it was excellently delivered. Just watch the hand movement and body language next time you see the ep.

She is certainly a star character and brilliant actor

I think everyone is making some great comments which have me nodding my head. Some stuff had not occured to me at all, so its nice to get everyone elses thoughts.

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 14th, 2005, 12:58 PM
Re 2001 ending on the director's commentry they definitely say that the guys wouldn't react, despite their (the director et al) attempts to get them too
It was so disapointing after such heroic footage!



That's another thing I really appreaciate about AT; she's always on the ball at work. She doesn't need to have the camera focused on her in order to act. She's always reacting to what is going on. No standing around with hands in her pocket waiting for her cue.

(About 2001)She wouldn't have let the boys down like that, wouldn't have cheapened their dramatic moment. :(

Skydiver
January 14th, 2005, 01:35 PM
I would love to know how they can go from funny
to really sad scenes, do they get time to "think" themselves into a scene that would need
alot from them?

i remember amanda saying that for POV, where she was the alternate samantha and so sad and crying that she got herself in the sad mood, then between takes she'd just go off into the corner and not talk to anyone, to keep that sad mood going

and i seem to recall in singularity, the elevator scene. she did it over and over and just couldn't get the right level of emotion...so the director got in her face and got her mad, which translated to sad and got that fantastic tantrum bit

Skydiver
January 14th, 2005, 01:36 PM
(About 2001)She wouldn't have let the boys down like that, wouldn't have cheapened their dramatic moment. :(

heck yeah. in fact, i've heard taht that's one reason there are so many reaction shots of amanda in the show. even when she's just in the background, she doesn't just stand there, she reacts as if the camera were solely focussed on her. which gives the director adn editor a lot of stuff to work with

astrogeologist
January 14th, 2005, 05:54 PM
i remember amanda saying that for POV, where she was the alternate samantha and so sad and crying that she got herself in the sad mood, then between takes she'd just go off into the corner and not talk to anyone, to keep that sad mood going

and i seem to recall in singularity, the elevator scene. she did it over and over and just couldn't get the right level of emotion...so the director got in her face and got her mad, which translated to sad and got that fantastic tantrum bit

I'd heard Amanda's explanation for how she handled the crying scenes in POV... she said that she got herself in a 'dark place'...

But I didn't know about the director getting in her face for that wonderfully done scene in 'Singularity'....I can just picture the director yelling at her just to get her mad... Wow!
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majorsal
January 14th, 2005, 08:01 PM
<snipped>

and i seem to recall in singularity, the elevator scene. she did it over and over and just couldn't get the right level of emotion...so the director got in her face and got her mad, which translated to sad and got that fantastic tantrum bit

First off, thank you, Denise, for giving me more tidbits to save. ;)

So, this directer got in Amanda's face?... is it too late to kick some butt! :p


Sally :D

jckfan55
January 14th, 2005, 08:23 PM
and i seem to recall in singularity, the elevator scene. she did it over and over and just couldn't get the right level of emotion...so the director got in her face and got her mad, which translated to sad and got that fantastic tantrum bit

It *was* angry crying.
I thought even more touching were when Cassandra wakes up in the elevator & when Sam says she has to leave & close the door.

astrogeologist
January 14th, 2005, 08:52 PM
My favorite "Sam" moments....Singularity. Riding with Cassie in the elevator. Being unable to leave her. That scene breaks my heart everytime I watch it.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/leavingCassiePanelA100.jpg
Sam was the thing that attracted me to Sg-1- I saw the ep with Cassie and I just loved it.


and i seem to recall in singularity, the elevator scene. she did it over and over and just couldn't get the right level of emotion...so the director got in her face and got her mad, which translated to sad and got that fantastic tantrum bit


So, this directer got in Amanda's face?... is it too late to kick some butt!


It *was* angry crying.
I thought even more touching were when Cassandra wakes up in the elevator & when Sam says she has to leave & close the door.

It was difficult to get clear, sharp stills of this sequence as AT kept moving and the scenes were not brightly lit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/leavingCassiePanelA150A.jpg
Sam: "I have to close the door."
Cassie nods. With that Sam gets up and leaves the room.
Sam is still crying, they take one last look at each other,
Cassie: "Sam? Sam?"
and Sam shuts the heavy door, and spins the wheel to lock it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/leavingCassiePanelA150.jpg
Sam is sobbing now.
She steps into the elevator and makes it go up.
She starts slamming her fists against the walls and kicking it.
She finally sits down in a corner, still sobbing.
Suddenly it looks like she has realized something
and she stands back up and hits the stop bottom on the elevator.
One of my favorite moments was when AT shows that look on her face when 'she just knew'
- when she decides to go back down (second photo from the right in the strip above).

SCENE CHANGE:TOP OF FACILITY
We see the elevator lights stop at 26 then goes to back down.
Daniel: "Jack, she's going back down."
Jack: "The hell she is." Jack goes over to the speaker. "Captain Carter?" Sam doesn't answer. "Captain Carter."

SCENE CHANGE: Cassie's room in the facility
Sam walks in. We here Jack's voice thought the speaker in the room.
Jack: "Sam, do you read me?"
Sam walks over to the speaker.
Sam: "Colonel, I'm staying."

SCENE CHANGE: Top of Facility
Jack: "Negative."
Sam: "Colonel, she's awake."
Daniel: "Oh god!"

SCENE CHANGE: Cassie's room
Sam shuts the heavy door, and locks it.

Jack: "Captain, Carter. I am ordering you to get back up here, right now." Sam finishes locking it and ignores the speaker. "Right now!"

Sam goes to Cassie and they hug.
Cassie: "Are we going to die?"
Sam: "No, we are not going to die."
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/SamandCassandra.jpg
These images are best viewed on a monitor set at 800x600
All photos are screen captures from the episode 'Singularity'
The transcript excerpts are from the Stargate SG-1 Transcript website (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm)
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chocdoc
January 15th, 2005, 06:26 AM
Astrogeologist,

Once again you've done an outstanding job posting pictures that reflect people's comments. Thanks so much for doing this! You capture the moment so well.

This is just a little Sam moment, but I liked when she gave her cat to Narim (in Season One). I thought it was a kind gesture because he missed animals on his planet. I also liked Sam's reaction in "Between Two Fires"? when she goes with Narim to his living quarters and hears her voice when they enter. Her reaction was funny. :)

astrogeologist
January 15th, 2005, 10:33 AM
Exodus/Enemies. My favorite episodes for Sam the brilliant scientist and Sam the great soldier. Blowing up the sun was a wicked cool plan. And snarky Sam running thru the halls blowing away replicators with her P90 is the Sam I love to see. Had some great Sam lines.

JACK: Carter? How do you know where to go in a place like this?
SAM: I studied certain respects of the ship while we were on Vorash.
JACK: You know how to have a good time, don't you?
SAM: I'm having a good time now, Sir.
JACK: You GO girl.

JACK: Yes! Well, next time, maybe we'll just wait and see.
JACOB: And blow the last chance I'll ever have to being right?
SAM: (Laughing) Welcome to MY life!



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/fisingthehyperdrive.jpg
Fixing the hyperdrive... a critical job before you blow up a sun...

Her finest moment so far has been blowing up the tok'ra's sun.
Not many people can put *that* on their CV.
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Blowing up the sun was a wicked cool plan.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/YouGOGirl.jpg
JACK: Carter? How do you know where to go in a place like this?
SAM: I studied the Tokra specs of the ship while we were on Vorash.
JACK: You know how to have a good time, don't you?
SAM: I'm having a good time now, Sir.
JACK: You GO girl.

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Best line "Welcome to my life" :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/welcometoMYlife.jpg
JACK: Excuse me. I distinctly remember someone saying "We're not gonna make it!" I think we made it.
JACOB: I'm sorry, I overreacted. At the time it seemed we weren't gonna make it.
JACK: Yes! Well, next time, maybe we'll just wait and see.
JACOB: (Rather sarcastically, yet with a smile ) And blow the last chance I'll ever have to being right?
(Sam's grinning behind Jacob)
JACK: (As Jacob passes by him) What?
SAM: (Laughing...)Welcome to MY life! (on her way out of the room)

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Sam running thru the halls blowing away replicators with her P90 is the Sam I love to see.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/killingbugs.jpg
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Photos are screen captures from the episodes 'Exodus' and 'Enemies'
Transcript excerpts are mainly from the Stargate SG-1 Transcript Website (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm)
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astrogeologist
January 15th, 2005, 01:00 PM
Astrogeologist, Once again you've done an outstanding job posting pictures that reflect people's comments. Thanks so much for doing this! You capture the moment so well.

Thank You! ...and I am working on a few more... :D
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the dancer of spaz
January 15th, 2005, 06:14 PM
That's ONE of the reasons I've not watched Atlantis. When they'd had Jessica Steen as Weir, I was very happy with that. I knew Jessica from the show Earth 2, and she played my fave character there. So, when I saw they'd picked an actress that I liked for Weir, I'd actually found a reason to give it a try it. Even though I haven't watched Atlantis, I saw what the new Weir was like in Lost City(s). I wasn't impressed. Amanda grabbed me immediately. If they'd left Jessica on Atlantis, I'd watch it, whether I was afraid of trusting these ptb with another show.

We seem to have similar tastes, Skydiver, so I think I'd feel the same way about needing a Sam (or Amanda) on Atlantis. For me, if I don't have a female lead I want to follow, 75 percent of me being 'into' a show is gone.

Sally :D

You know, I kinda like TH's portrayal of Weir. She's more of a big sister/maternal figure to everyone there, rather than the more "down to business" role that Steen played - and I liked Jessica Steen's portrayal, too! :) I just think there are very big differences between how each actor portrayed the character, and TH's portrayal uses aggressiveness, caution, and care. Steen could have gotten to that point, but they didn't give her the chance... Either way TH has gone a really good job so far, I think!

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NearlyCircular
January 15th, 2005, 06:53 PM
First of all, what a great thread! I’ve enjoyed reading all the posts and remembering some wonderful Sam Carter moments. In my opinion, one of Amanda’s best performances was in Heroes 2, when the camera crew gets in her face after she comes back from the mission. The raw emotion on her face reflects Sam’s anguish and she lets it out as anger at the camera crew. We usually don’t see Carter emotionally out of control and Amanda did a wonderful job portraying it.

astrogeologist
January 15th, 2005, 09:53 PM
First of all, what a great thread! I’ve enjoyed reading all the posts and remembering some wonderful Sam Carter moments.

Welcome aboard NearlyCircular! :cool:


In my opinion, one of Amanda’s best performances was in Heroes 2, when the camera crew gets in her face after she comes back from the mission. The raw emotion on her face reflects Sam’s anguish and she lets it out as anger at the camera crew. We usually don’t see Carter emotionally out of control and Amanda did a wonderful job portraying it.

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EMMETT: Don't look at him we're cleared to shoot here. Just follow me.
*rushes towards Sam* and bring that bring the sound. Major, what happened?
SAM: Please *holds her hand up to him, she's crying*
EMMETT: Now I know that at least one person was injured back there.
*still moving* and all I want to say is-
SAM: Look leave me alone and shut that damn thing off.
*The cameraman shuts off the camera*


This was another scene where it was difficult to get stills because AT was in constant motion - and they were filming this as if from the camera crewman's shoulder - so the camera is not in synch with AT's movements... so most of the stills are blurry, fuzzy and/or have scan lines. Very effective filming for the Point Of View and effect that the director was attempting to accomplish.

Photos are screen captions from the episode 'Heroes pt. 2'
Transcript excerpts after the website Stargate SG-1 Transcripts (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm)
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astrogeologist
January 15th, 2005, 11:36 PM
How much of Carter is actually Amanda Tapping?

I was just flipping channels on TV and happened upon a biography of Barbara Stanwyck. Idly watching some of the snippets and tales of her life, one recounting caught my attention... Ms. Stanwyck apparently expressed these sentiments:

"Women are too often shown as the victims on TV and film.
I want to play a woman of strength.

I’ll show emotions, I’ll show vulnerabilities...
My character can be victimized, but I will not play the victim."

And when I heard those words, they seemed to capture the spirit of what AT has tried to convey with the role of Sam Carter. Barbara Stanwyck almost always played a woman of such inner strength and fortitude... and I can see a strong similarity with how AT has attempted to portray Colonel Carter. I am however, glad that AT smiles more than Stanwyck did :rolleyes:
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The Hollywood Collection - Barbara Stanwyck: Straight Down the Line (1997) (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1800417886&intl=us)
In the 'quote' above, those are not the exact words, of course... I heard them and then had to boot my computer before I could type it out as closely as I could remember.
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aeromathlete
January 16th, 2005, 12:57 AM
I just watched the "Not Just Another Pretty Face" video, and must say that I adored it! Sam is a super gal!

the dancer of spaz
January 16th, 2005, 01:14 AM
Haha, I just realized I'm a Stargate Criminal or something. I'd never seen all of the Torment of Tantalus! So I watched it after reading about naked Ernest, and I thought it was hilarious. Sheesh...

Another funny ep was Urgo. :D I just cannot go through that ep without nearly DYING! It was a team-funny ep, you know, but the part when Sam's walking down the hall with her SF escort and Urgo, and she bumps into Hammond and Janet... Ah... Priceless!

SAM: "Oh, hi... I was just talking to Urgo."

HAMMOND: "I see..."

SAM: "Ooohh, I wish you did..."

Then...

JANET: (Looking in the opposite direction) "Now, Urgo, Sam needs -"

SAM: (Looking a bit desperate and sheepish) "Uh, Janet, he's... right there."

Good drama in Divide & Conquer, which I guess is quite obvious, but some of those scenes never cease to amaze me. You can see four different emotions in the span of ten seconds. :) Very cool.

aeromathlete
January 16th, 2005, 03:36 AM
Divide and Conquer will always be one of my favorite episodes. Great emotions, great acting. So much potential in that ep.

Coley
January 16th, 2005, 03:42 AM
Hi "nearly circular" welcome to the thread!

Gosh I'd sorta forgotton about Hero's. I've only watched it once as I was so upset that Janet was killed. There was loads of good AT work in part 1 and 2 - including the scene you mentioned - brilliant.
Also - her nervousness about being filmed, her wonderful look when the interview guy said "lets get a shot of the stargate" after she had been babbling about the stargate's energy consumption (and her lines after her look) (in fact the shot of the camera crew just looking at her before the interviewer made that comment was brilliant). Her shiftyness when the interviewer started to ask about O'Neill. Her scene with Jack (in the room) after he's been hurt, her scene with Teal'c when she was trying to write her speech for the ceremony. Her delivery of that speech at the ceremony. I remember it all distinctly - even though I have just seen it once!!

Dancer of Spaz - Yes Urgo is one of my favourite ep's. I think all of them - especially RDA are brilliant in that. I liked AT's acting when Urgo was telling her he reminded her of her Uncle Irvin???, then her changed expression after O'Neill prompted her, that whole scene was brilliant - again by all the actors.

Two more brilliant eps have been mentioned - Exodus and Enemies - my fave moments already mentioned (my favourite beeing "I'm having a good time now Sir!")

Also from enemies when O'Neill asked her to try the control panel to get them out of the room they had been locked in. Both RDA's and AT's body language and expressions and timing were perfect. I just love the fact that it is the woman that is shown to have the techno capability to sort that stuff out.
Despite all the flack the writers have got for s7 and 8 - they have done a remarkable job with the character. I would love to see another military female joining the team. Perhaps not a scientist, but someone with more tactical and weapon capability. I think it would open up a wjole new dialoge for AT. Sadly they've chosen another male, but hopefully he will bring out as much acting in AT as RDA has done

Entity was mentioned on the thread, so I watched it last night and another favourite scene is in there. The one where Janet tells Sam to go to the infirmiry to have her hand looked at, Sams a doesn't want to, but O'Neill orders her to, then Janet tells them (O'Neill, Daniel and Teal'c) they have to as well ASAP then pulls her rubber gloves off - her timing is excellent, the remaining dialogue with the 3 chaps and the General is brilliant too. On the AT acting front she did an exceptional job of looking like she really hurt her hand when the em spike shot through the control panel. Left me wondering whether she really actually hurt herself somehow.

More AT moments. Did anyone clock the look she gave Kawolski in Children of the Gods when they had gone to Tulac. She had just laid a line of Clamores 10m intervals and the Col turned to Kawolski and asked him if it sounded about right, Can't quite remeber what Kawolski's reply was but Sam flashed him a really snarky glare - brilliant.

Also in Emancipation after the Chaps had freed her from the camp and she said "I've never been so glad to see you guy's" and the Colonel replied "Oh I don't know Carter -remember that time on P******* when you accidently took some of that..." Sam interups him and says - lets not talk about that shall we - again with a great expression.

Also her expressions at the end of the Brocca Divide when she says to O'Neill - "Err about my earlier behaviour Sir" the resulting dialogue and Sams expressions - a number of different ones - were superb!!

I've also noticed how she is always very protective of everyone in a danger situations (I am talking about non team members) she always make sure they get to cover, or she gives covering fire and puts herslef in between them and the fire/threat. I've noticed it quite a number of times.

Thanks to astrogeologist yet again!!! for all the captures. It's great fun to see the appropraite snippets and expressions from stuff mentioned peoples posts.

I'm laid up with a really bad cold at the mo, so I shall be watching stargate I should think. So shall post more Sam/AT moments again soon.

Thanks to everyone to participating, it is fun recalling all the great Sam/AT moments!!

ChopinGal
January 16th, 2005, 06:35 AM
You've got to see it... and I guess it takes a quirky sense of humor to enjoy a main protagonist and heroic character set to the music from a cartoon... but the video is well put together... won a Stargate Music Video Award for best vid based on an episode... and I can't watch the vid without smiling... now is that because it's lighthearted... or because it's AT sunny face smiling on the screen? :rolleyes:

Regarding the "Fireman Sam" video: BTW, astrogeo, did you point out that the very first clip of the fireman coming down the pole is actually AT' s husband, Alan? I think she kinda dared him to make a "guest appearance" in one of her shows - and to experience what it's like to be on a set, etc. She said in an interview that he was very happy to go back home after that filming and respected her even more for the kind of work day she put in :)

Didn't mean to get off topic - just viewed the video and it's really cute!

Now, on topic, let me tell you and Major Sal what a terrific thread this is turning out to be ... I've been away from the postings but, wow, am I impressed looking at all the wonderful screen caps/scenes you've posted for the fans to enjoy, along with their "favorite-moment" posts. It makes this thread come alive!

It has also invited some really good and intelligent responses on why we all have fallen under the character's spell. Sam Carter, a Woman for All Seasons ;) What stands out, especially, is the strong agreement that no other actor could have made this character so believable, so watchable, so ... er, for want of a better word, addictive! :D

Hope to get back on task here with all of you soon - right now, I'm still writing my fanfic Sam Carter out of her predicament in Head Trip ...

KUDOS again to all of you (but especially MajorSal and AstroG) for making this one of the best of the newer threads up here! And THANK YOU for all your hard work. ;)

NearlyCircular
January 16th, 2005, 08:18 AM
Thanks for the welcome everyone, and thanks for the screen caps, astrogeologist! Your Barbara Stanwyck quote is perfect:
"Women are too often shown as the victims on TV and film.
I want to play a woman of strength.

I’ll show emotions, I’ll show vulnerabilities...
My character can be victimized, but I will not play the victim."

I’m one of those older viewers who has been reading and watching science fiction for decades now. (Oh crap, that sounds awful!) :S One reason for my love of scifi is that in the past, it was one of the few genres where strong, independent, capable women were portrayed. The character of Sam Carter is one of the best I’ve ever seen.

By the way, as I've been reading the posts on this thread, I've discovered that some my all time favorite fan fics have been written by people commenting here. Not surprising, I guess, since we all seem to share the same feelings about the team and Carter in particular.

astrogeologist
January 16th, 2005, 12:04 PM
Regarding the "Fireman Sam" video: BTW, astrogeo, did you point out that the very first clip of the fireman coming down the pole is actually AT' s husband, Alan? I think she kinda dared him to make a "guest appearance" in one of her shows - and to experience what it's like to be on a set, etc. She said in an interview that he was very happy to go back home after that filming and respected her even more for the kind of work day she put in :)

Chopingal - I remember reading or watching that interview... but I couldn't find it as I went back through the most likely website... Do you remember which interview it was?

At any rate, I did remember that she said that her husband, Alan, got to play one of the firemen in the episode 'The Changeling'... and she said that 'he looked sexy' in the fireman's uniform. I tried to see if I could pick him out in the video, but I couldn't get a good enough look at most of the firemen in the scene (lots of motion). Soooo... thanks for the info on which one he was and where he comes into the scene! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/ATshusbandAlan.jpg

I also remember that AT had commented that when his days of shooting were finished, and the alarm went off the next morning, he didn't get out of bed... he just made some comment about not knowing how she did it everyday :p

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astrogeologist
January 16th, 2005, 01:59 PM
Another funny ep was Urgo. :D I just cannot go through that ep without nearly DYING! It was a team-funny ep, you know, but the part when Sam's walking down the hall with her SF escort and Urgo, and she bumps into Hammond and Janet... Ah... Priceless!

SAM: "Oh, hi... I was just talking to Urgo."

HAMMOND: "I see..."

SAM: "Ooohh, I wish you did..."

Then...

JANET: (Looking in the opposite direction) "Now, Urgo, Sam needs -"

SAM: (Looking a bit desperate and sheepish) "Uh, Janet, he's... right there."

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Scene: Corridor
CARTER: I don't have time to play, Urgo. I don't care if I'm "it".
Because I have work to do. No I am not hungry.
Look, go eat pie with Colonel O'Neill. I am very busy right now.
HAMMOND: Major.
CARTER: Hi. I was just talking to Urgo, sir.
HAMMOND: I see.
CARTER: Oh, I wish you did.
FRAISER: All right, look, Urgo, Major Carter would like….
CARTER: Ahh, Janet he's….over here.

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FRAISER: Well then Urgo, Major Carter would very much like to be left alone.
CARTER: Janet, um, as much as I appreciate it, please… Urgo that is rude!
FRAISER: What did he say?
CARTER: Uh…. if you'll excuse me, I have work to do.
Sam walks down the corridor...and you can see her telling Urgo off in the background.
HAMMOND: Doctor, are we entirely sure that the members of SG-1 are… What's the word?
FRAISER: Sane?
HAMMOND: That's the one.
FRAISER: Yes sir. Remember, everything we hear or see is processed in the brain. Urgo is creating an image of himself that they're responding to just like they would you or me.
HAMMOND: If you say so.
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The first shot below is the team's reaction when Hammond says that they will be grounded and under observation for an additional week after the EMP pulse disabled Urgo.
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The second photo is Sam's reaction when Urgo says that Jack was thinking of Maui and little black bikinis... :rolleyes:

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Photos are screen captures from the episode 'Urgo'
Transcript excerpts are from the Stargate SG-1 Transcript website (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm)

Skydiver
January 16th, 2005, 02:52 PM
those little moments are why i love urgo

the spoilers...they sounded pretty bad. usually 'invisible aliens' is not a plot that ends well, but little bits, such as amanda's made the episode work

in things like this you can see that amanda used to be in a comedy troupe. she's a very funny person

ChopinGal
January 16th, 2005, 03:13 PM
Regarding: "in things like this you can see that amanda used to be in a comedy troupe. she's a very funny person"

Yes, in fact, it would have been great to see the writers give AT a bit more in the way of doing comedy in the series ... another facet of her acting that her fans would probably love. Of course, that brings us to the pivotal question: Does Sam Carter have a funny bone?! I think she does - especially now that she's got more of a personal life and seems more relaxed.

Here we go: What Sam moments do you remember that show some more of the actor's comic timing (besides "Urgo")?

I have three scenes:

The way she played off RDA in "Ascension" when Hammond tells her to take some time off and they are leaving the briefing room. It's delightful to watch as she asks Jack: "Do I seem nervous? Anxious? When did you first notice?" and Jack's dry reply: "Ever since we met!" Astro - I'm just paraphrasing - see if you can find this on your DVDs with the exact wording ;)

And, then, in "Chimera", once again with Jack - the elevator "humming" scene. The timing and comic beats were perfect! Her hesitancy and embarrassment, etc. in speaking with her boss about her somewhat unexpected blind date were played so lightheartedly and believably. And the quick beat when he says something like "You're humming" ... and she jumps right in nervously "I was? I am?" Sorry for the paraphrasing :S but, knowing my friend, AstroG, she'll make it all better. :)

Finally, in "Space Race" when she mimics Teal'c when she catches him in his little white lie in the beginning as he tells Jack and Daniel that he is needed to stay with her and give her assistance. She doesn't have a clue, but she looks him dead in the eye and plays his game with an "Indeed". If anyone is old enough to remember Emma Peele and John Steed on "The Avengers" in the 1960s - this one-word response seemed so "Emma Peele". :cool:

On another note, Astro, yes, I read the same interview about Alan Kovacs making this brief cameo appearance and, yes, you did capture the right "fireman" in the above photos - that's Amanda's handsome hubby! :)

astrogeologist
January 16th, 2005, 03:49 PM
Does Sam Carter have a funny bone?! I think she does - especially now that she's got more of a personal life and seems more relaxed.

I think that AT's natural lightheartedness and appreciation of humor is one of the aspects that can't be completely restrained within the military decorum that rules the life of Sam Carter. AT smiles and chuckles and smirks... and just generally reacts to the antics and comments of her costars.... and AT's reactions are a part of Colonel Carter.

My reasoning is... if she can understand and appreciate O'Neill's sarcastic humor, then she definitely has a funny bone! :p She just doesn't get to let it show very often, as she is the subordinate officer when O'Neill is in the scene. And..., in general, the military doesn't lend itself to a whole lot of funny scenes for any of them.


Finally, in "Space Race" when she mimics Teal'c when she catches him in his little white lie in the beginning as he tells Jack and Daniel that he is needed to stay with her and give her assistance. She doesn't have a clue, but she looks him dead in the eye and plays his game with an "Indeed". If anyone is old enough to remember Emma Peele and John Steed on "The Avengers" in the 1960s - this one-word response seemed so "Emma Peele". :cool:


I remember the Avengers! I watched the reruns on late-night TV when I was in my early 20's. Steed and Peele were a great combo -- wonderful dry humor! 'Indeed'! :p :D http://www.crazyabouttv.com/Images/avengers.gif

Emma Peele, another strong female lead
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astrogeologist
January 16th, 2005, 04:14 PM
More AT moments. Did anyone clock the look she gave Kawolski in Children of the Gods when they had gone to Tulac. She had just laid a line of Clamores 10m intervals and the Col turned to Kawolski and asked him if it sounded about right, Can't quite remeber what Kawolski's reply was but Sam flashed him a really snarky glare - brilliant.

Coley -- I just had to go and pop that DVD in to see that snarky look -- and you were sure right! I didn't remember that look, but it was great! :cool:

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O'Neill joins Kawalsky, who's standing near the edge of the circle of stones.
Kawalsky: We'll have to set camp where there's better cover, Colonel.
Warren: (coming up to them) Sir, I found what looks like a trail in the mountains. Looks like it hasn't seen traffic in a couple of days.
Carter comes towards them, unspooling a cable across the campsite.
O'Neill: Thank you, Airman. (as the soldier leaves) Carter?
Carter: I set up a line of claymores along that ridge at ten-meter intervals.
O'Neill: Sound about right, Kawalsky?
Kawalsky: Yeah, that'll work. (smirking)
Carter shoots Kawalski a snarky glare as O'Neill walks off.
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My still shots don't do justice to AT's snarky look! (it was so quick) :p :rolleyes:
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Coley, Hope you're feeling better soon!
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Photos are screen captures from the episode 'Children of the Gods'
Transcript excerpts are from the Stargate SG-1 Transcript website (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm)
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Skydiver
January 16th, 2005, 05:49 PM
how about in fallen:

JONAS: "I got it." (We see him running down an SGC corridor. Teal'c is up ahead.) "I got it. Teal'c! Teal'c! I got it." (He taps Teal'c on the shoulder with the book and continues on his way. Teal'c raises his brow and looks after him, but does not follow.
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"Excuse me." (He continues his way down the corridor, side stepping a particularly bustling SGC.) "Watch it, watch it." (He runs into the control room and addresses Sgt. Davis.) "Hey, where's Major Carter?"

DAVIS: "Uh, sh-she's in, uh, Hammond's office."

Jonas heads up the stairs to Hammond's office and in the background we can hear Sam.

CARTER: "According to intelligence provided by the Tok'ra, Anubis is quickly decimating the forces of the remaining system lords."

Jonas steps into Hammond's doorway. He is quite out of breath and stops in the doorway to catch his breath.

JONAS: "I got it."

CARTER: "Hopefully, it's not contagious."

JONAS: "Ha, ha. The lost city..." (Hammond sits and looks quizzically at Jonas as he walks around to the front of the General's desk.) "...on the tablet."

SAM: "You found it?"

JONAS: "Yeah, only it's not the lost city. That never made sense to me anyway. I mean, t-t-the tablet is written in ancient. How could they lose one of their own cities? And even if they did, why would they call it the lost city? They wouldn't. They would call it by it's name, right?"

HAMMOND: "Mr. Quinn..."

JONAS: "It's not the lost city. It's the city of the lost."

CARTER: "Do you have a 'gate address?"

JONAS: "There's a reference in some partial translations that Dr. Jackson was working on from the library of the four races. It talks about a city of the Ancient s called VisUban as being a place where the plague began. This was going to be the crown jewel
in the entire ancient domain. Only it was still under construction when the plague broke out."

CARTER: "Two words...'gate address."

sam is so fantastically snarky, without being mean

you'd think she was channeling jack

DarkQuee1
January 16th, 2005, 05:59 PM
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An answer by JM to a question posed by a poster about who would command SG-1 next year was answered this way:

"1) Ben Browder's new character IS a Lt. Colonel -- AND will be in command of SG-1 ***DURING*** Carter's absence at the beginning of season nine. He will appear in all 20 episodes, and Joe said that when Carter returns...he suspects they'll be able to work something out."


What the heck does that mean? I understand the first part, but "he suspects they'll be able to work something out"? Uh, they're the writers, arent' they? Why shouldn't they be able to work it out? All you need to do is make it very clear in the show that BB's Lt. Col. M.M. is taking command *only* while Sam isn't there and have him step down when she comes back.

The wording of that sentence sounds very suspicious to me. There shouldn't be any problem, but I see one coming. Whether it is TPTB themselves, or whether it's pressure from MGM and Skiffy, there seems to be some move on to push BB--we're already being handed his character as a ready-made hero who significantly helped SG-1 "on one of their most important missions" (amazing, then, that we haven't heard his name before) and he's the same rank as Sam--to the fore (pandering to Farscape fans? Who knows). Even worse, it smacks of taking the lone female character--who we all know shouldn't be in a position of command, with all those raging hormones and all (yes, I *am* being sarcastic<<g>>)--and putting her back in a subordinate position.

There shouldn't be any issue about Sam's remaining in command; they shouldn't have to "work something out." I'm not urging a campaign or anything, but perhaps it would not be inappropriate for Sam fans to let TPTB, MGM and Skiffy know how much we appreciate the character and the fact that has she earned her way to a command position, and that's she's a great role model (and that making her suddenly subordinate to the "hot" new guy would send the wrong message.)


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aeromathlete
January 16th, 2005, 06:03 PM
I can imagine the prospect of Carter resigning her position in the military and remaining as chief scientist and member of SG-1. Not that I'd want to see it happen, per se, but the way they're going on the show, with them portraying Sam as wanting to settle down, have kids, etc., I think it's possible.

I'd like to see her stay military, however. That was always one of the perks of her character, and indeed, one of the things I respected most about her character.

LordAnubis
January 16th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Hey this weekend my friend Amber said I look like I could be Sam's little brother or even son (shudder). I'm not sure how serious she was, but I don't see a real resemblance. Heh. Does anything think I could play her little brother? I could be visiting from college or something.

Just jokin'

Jared :)

Happy MLK day

MajorSam
January 16th, 2005, 06:06 PM
One of my favourite, although quite suprising Sam moments was with Sam and Jonas, I forget which ep, or even the exact words, except for the good quote

Jonas: "You know on Kelowna it's tradition for a friend to pass on the message"

Sam: "oh it is not!"

Jonas: *something or another*

Sam: Jonas, you are such a chicken ****... (as the klaxons come on, hahah)


I think Sam should be able to have waaay more humour. Amanda, from all my experiences, is the funniest woman alive!!!! They should let her bring that humour to Sam more, although she says her and Sam are progressivly getting mroe and more alike. Although, some people are apparantly PO'ed that Daniel is getting all snarky and humorous now... *shrug* Sam should be funnier.

I love from Enemies:

Jack: Now how do you know that?

Sam: I've studied Goa'uld mothership schematics (or soemthing...)

Jack: You sure know how to have a good time

Sam: Havin a good time now Sir

Jack: You go girl

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Skydiver
January 16th, 2005, 06:12 PM
I would like to think that mgm and skiffy would be respectful of the character. it'd be nice to think that BB is put in command while sam is 'gone' and then voluntarily steps down when she returns.

it COULD be some fantastic chemistry building bits

of course, we could also end up with 'oh, i'm just not good enough to command, please mister big strong MM, be the boss' :rolleyes:

time will tell, but, personally, if it's the latter, i will be sorely disappointed

astrogeologist
January 16th, 2005, 06:14 PM
Here we go: What Sam moments do you remember that show some more of the actor's comic timing (besides "Urgo")?

The way she played off RDA in "Ascension" when Hammond tells her to take some time off and they are leaving the briefing room. It's delightful to watch as she asks Jack: "Do I seem nervous? Anxious? When did you first notice?" and Jack's dry reply: "Ever since we met!" I agree - AT played this scene extremely well - and the scene was such fun! :p :D
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Sam: Sir ... with all due respect, I feel fine.
There is absolutely no reason why I shouldn't be allowed to help.
Hammond: Major, I have no doubt that your technological expertese will be required at some point down the line
... but until Doctor Frasier advises other wise, I am ORDERING you to take it easy. (He leaves.)
Sam: (Turning toward Jack) Take it easy?!
Jack: Yeah. You've been a little tense.
Sam: Tense?? Me? I'm not tense ... am I?
She pauses a moment before continuing quietly: When did you first notice?
Jack: (Said Very slowly) As ... We ... Met.
<< She plays up a wide smirky smile at his comment;)>>
Sam: I've always just thought of myself as being very ...
(Making bracketing hand motion with the folders) Focused.
Jack: It's called working too hard ... you're gonna crash and burn.
Sam: (Thinks) I really don't have that much more to do ... Sir.
Jack: Well, find something. Take up ... golf. (Walking away) Fly a kite ... knit something.
Sam: (Slightly pissed expression) I ... I'm ... fine! ... really!
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And as long as I had that episode loaded, I also extracted these images:

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Jack: (Leaving) Don't turn that on.
(Sam goes to touch the device) AHH!
(She pulls back, startled.) What'd I just say?

Sam: Holds her hands up I know.
She touches the device after he leaves, and some crystals slide out aways.
She holds her head <<Headache??>>, and moves over to a bigger device.
The device and her are seen from across the room.
She has an expression like she knows that she's being watched.
She goes back to the device.
Something seems to run into her

Daniel: (A flash is shown in the room where Sam is.) Hey, Sam? You done with that camera yet?
(No answer; louder) SAM?! (Still no answer. He walks to the room where she is,
and discovers her passed out on the floor. He bends down, checks her pulse, and then speaks into the radio)
Jack, get back here ... NOW!


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Sam:Next thing you know, I'm waking up with Colonel O'Neill looking down on me.
I mean, I suppose it's possible I touched something inside the device.
Janet: You have no contact burns.
Sam: So, what do you think it was?
Janet: Well, people have been known to black-out from fatigue.
Sam: (Scoffs) Come on Janet. I was a little tired , but ...
Janet: Your premission blood tests did show slight anemia.
Sam: But, you gave me clearance to go.
Janet: And I'm starting to question that judgement.
Sam: (Smiles) There is nothing wrong with me.
Janet: OK. At least consider what you've been thru the last few years ...
You have had a Tok'Ra symbiote die in your brain, your memory has been stamped,
and then your entire consciousness has been transferred into a computer, then back again ...
and THAT is just for starters. Eventually, it has to take it's toll.
Sam: (Smiling) Are we done?
Janet: Yes. Be sure you come back if you start speaking an alien language.(Sarcastically)
Sam: (Sarcastically) I'm sure I'll have no choice.
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The photos are screen captures from the episode 'Ascension'
The transcript excerpts are from the Stargate SG-1 Transcript website (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm)
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MajorSam
January 16th, 2005, 06:31 PM
I would like to think that mgm and skiffy would be respectful of the character. it'd be nice to think that BB is put in command while sam is 'gone' and then voluntarily steps down when she returns.

it COULD be some fantastic chemistry building bits

of course, we could also end up with 'oh, i'm just not good enough to command, please mister big strong MM, be the boss' :rolleyes:

time will tell, but, personally, if it's the latter, i will be sorely disappointed

Totally agree. I will seriously have a heart attack if, just because she's missing 5 episodes, that she gets completely screwed over. She's put in the time, effort, tears, sometims her LIFE for Sg-1 over 8 years. But taht doesn't matter, we have a guy from Farscape who we can just whip into a perfect honourable self-sacrifical soldier who's apparantly really important! TPTB need to realize that not ALL SG fans are Farscape fans, and even those watch the seperate shows for a reason. that they're their own shows, with their own characters and storylines. They're just brushing off the loyal fans of Sg-1, who've put in all the years. I, at least don't want a mush gush of Fargate Fg-1!!!

Sam's character's already gone through enough in the past while, now they want to chuck her off Sg-1!?!?! I personally don't think she'd be too pleased, but I can totally see her doing the whole 'oh, i'm just not good enough to command, please mister big strong MM, be the boss.

At this point, I would actually throw up, implode, have a heart attack, and kill TPTB all at the exact same moment in time. This is COMPLETELY the wrong thing to do with AT's absence of 5 eps, imo. What's so hard about "k, a Lt. Commander for 5 eps, while Sam has a reasonable absence. She comes back, he's 2IC" Honestly! Why make a massive shabangleboo about it??!?!?!

Skydiver
January 16th, 2005, 07:15 PM
you know, ascension is one eps where they so totally dropped the ball.

sam is distrusted, spied on, lied to...and oops, ok, so she's just gonna 'get over it' and all be fine

to be fair, they did the same with legacy and daniel, but there was a bit of closure at the end of that.

at the end of ascension, there's so much left undone.

like sam making the choice to follow orlin, knowing that that would get her in trouble.

i really felt for sam in that one. she trusted the guys and, whether they were followrin orders or not, they pretty much left her hanging

astrogeologist
January 16th, 2005, 07:33 PM
you know, ascension is one eps where they so totally dropped the ball.

sam is distrusted, spied on, lied to...and oops, ok, so she's just gonna 'get over it' and all be fine

to be fair, they did the same with legacy and daniel, but there was a bit of closure at the end of that.

at the end of ascension, there's so much left undone.
i really felt for sam in that one. she trusted the guys and, whether they were followrin orders or not, they pretty much left her hanging

I agree with you... that episode had so much great stuff -- and the potential for so much more! But, they weakened the story with things such as what you cited above. Telling her to knit or go fly a kite (how harsh was that?)... I wish they'd used that line some other time -- and on one of the males! I really hated the scene where she's trying to talk to O'Neill but he could care less. Doesn't even ask her to stick around to talk (after he went to the restroom) -- he was simply dismissive (again).

I also didn't like the way that they showed Sam as having 'no' life outside of work -- for gosh sakes -- she flies planes and rides motorcycles... she knows how to have fun! But then they show her coming home and the answering machine has no messages... but they have her hit the button so that the machine speaks it outloud (who would do that? we all know that if it says 0 that there are no messages) -- but, no, they wanted to emphasize that Carter has no life outside of work... and guess what... that little plot bit would fester for years, and with a few other such plotbits, would ultimately lead to... scenes such as in the last portion of Chimera! Oy!

But there were things that I did like about the episode.
I thought Orlin was cute (in a loveable, scruffy way).
And I really liked the sci-fi aspect of sharing consciousnesses - they showed it beautifully.
The whole 'whipping up a Stargate' in the basement was also pretty cool.
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MajorSam
January 16th, 2005, 07:45 PM
What really bugged me about Ascension (although i LOVED the rest) was the fact that no one believed Sam at all. They're just like "oh, well, she's crazy!" They know and trust and support her in every other ep (generally speaking) but just for this ep they don't even try and help her prove herself? I would think taht SOMEONE on Sg-1 would have helped her.

The rest of that ep was hilarious IMO. My friend and I still have jokes about it. Amanda won an award for it too....:)

chocdoc
January 16th, 2005, 07:47 PM
I would like to think that mgm and skiffy would be respectful of the character. it'd be nice to think that BB is put in command while sam is 'gone' and then voluntarily steps down when she returns.

it COULD be some fantastic chemistry building bits

Yes, I agree. I really hope they go in this direction. I will be very disappointed if they don't, to put it mildly.

I also think that the writers have a really good opportunity to write some interesting character development/growth for Sam in Season Nine. One potential opportunity is given in how her short absence is explained. They could make it really boring, like she is teaching at the academy for a bit, or make it more exciting (I don't know, maybe working on some secret mission with her father and then sometime goes terribly wrong---then SG-1 has to send out a rescue mission---I'll leave this to our wonderful fanfic writers on this thread for this!)

Another potential opportunity is how Sam interacts with MM, Tea'c, and Daniel when she returns and how Sam returns to her leadership role on SG-1.


I have a question: I noticed that on another site, they list Amanda Tapping as a "recurring" character (along with Claudia Black), noting that you are only considered a "regular" cast member if you are in or are available for all 20 episodes. CJ, MS, and BB are listed as regular cast members. I have not read anything from the producers, MGM or Scifi, or from Amanda herself that says that she will be considered a "recurring" character---I have just seen it on this site. A number of fans on this site don't seem to like the Sam character, and wish she were in the background in Season Nine. RDA has not been in all 20 episodes in every season, yet I'm sure he was considered a regular. Can anyone clarify this difference between regular and recurring?

This difference may also affect how the credits are done for Season Nine. If AT is seen as playing a recurring character, I am not sure where she would be in the credits. (A discussion about credits was brought up earlier in this thread). I would put everyone after the opening title and then AT, CJ, BB, and MS as Daniel Jackson. But I'm wondering how they will do it.

Hopefully AT will be treated well---just a well known fact that females have the babies--hopefully that should not affect her status on the show, particularly because she plans to return for 15/20 episodes. This whole thing raises Interesting gender issues.

Skydiver
January 16th, 2005, 07:55 PM
there were cute parts in ascension. like you mentioned, getting to see sam in real clothes, orlin and the general idea

i did and still have issues with them not believing her. I mean, these folks have dealt with invisible aliens before (show and tell), things that make you nuts (legacy) and goa'uld living in seattle (seth) and here she is, saying that she sees someone and, yep, the woman must be stressed

it was sort oflike teal'c in orpheus. I could buy his sudden bout of self-pity, if it wasn't so sudden. Give me some build up. make something happen to make be believe that she was nuts.

to me, it was the ultimate disrespect to sam. there was no attempt to believe her, just the sudden leap to 'she's nuts'

however, i do think that amanda did it great. she had to balance her duties to earth adn to herself. she played the rightous indignation well

i remember hearing that there was a scene that was cut. it's janet and sam in sam's lab, and janet tells her something like 'oh, yeah, didn't you know? the doctor cleared you hours ago'
thus implying that neither jack of george bothered to tell her that she was ok to come back to work. fostering sam's 'screw them' attitude. in it, she'd deeply hurt and offended. which, i think, is why she keeps orlin in her house for days without saying anything

MajorSam
January 16th, 2005, 08:02 PM
i remember hearing that there was a scene that was cut. it's janet and sam in sam's lab, and janet tells her something like 'oh, yeah, didn't you know? the doctor cleared you hours ago'
thus implying that neither jack of george bothered to tell her that she was ok to come back to work. fostering sam's 'screw them' attitude. in it, she'd deeply hurt and offended. which, i think, is why she keeps orlin in her house for days without saying anything

I never heard that, but I think it would definately be plausible. If she knows they don't trust her, why would she tell them, and make them believe even mroe she's crazy? Although if she had pressed them, maybe they wouldn't have been so "ooooh" when they discovered Orlin was real.

ChopinGal
January 16th, 2005, 09:05 PM
Hi Lord Anubis

From your posted photos, I first thought you were little Jack from "Fragile Balance" - but we'll let you be Sam's kid brother if you like that better! ;)

T-Gate
January 16th, 2005, 09:54 PM
i did and still have issues with them not believing her. I mean, these folks have dealt with invisible aliens before (show and tell), things that make you nuts (legacy) and goa'uld living in seattle (seth) and here she is, saying that she sees someone and, yep, the woman must be stressed

however, i do think that amanda did it great. she had to balance her duties to earth adn to herself. she played the rightous indignation well



Hi All,

Carter is my favorite character and I love Amanda. So I do get upset when I feel the character or the real person are dealt with unfairly. However in this particular case I cut the boys a little bit of a break.
If you take out the fact that we had the long break between seasons 4 & 5, in the SG timeline I believe Ascension occurred not too long after Entity.
Being dead and having had one's mind transferred out of one's body has to be pretty traumatic. As a matter of fact I caught a couple of lines here & there in early season 5 that to me suggested Jack was a little more protective of Carter than usual.
If you take in consideration that Sam did pass out on the planet in Ascension
for what appeared to be no reason before she suddenly started seeing the alien and add to that the fact that it was reasonably close to what happened in Entity, then I think the guys might have had some reason to be concerned about her mental state.
As a matter of fact, as happens with so many storylines, it amazes me they never had Sam show any residual effects from her Entity experience.

Toni

majorsal
January 16th, 2005, 10:02 PM
Now, on topic, let me tell you and Major Sal what a terrific thread this is turning out to be...

<snipped>

KUDOS again to all of you (but especially MajorSal and AstroG) for making this one of the best of the newer threads up here! And THANK YOU for all your hard work. ;)

You're quite welcome. ;) I'm *very* proud of the way this thread has progressed! :D

If I had to pick my all-time fave Sam/Amanda acting moment, it would be the way Sam behaved as the Entity in the ep Entity. To show a multitude of emotions, and the only acting tool was the expression on your face... that's acting. Yes, the Entity spoke, but it was mechanicalized, with no emotions below it. In the scene when Jack's threatening the Entity, telling it that they were going to send more probes to destroy them - pay attention to Sam's face. The Entity is raging, but it can't speak out and yell, 'NO!'. Amanda had Sam's facial muscles twitching, as though the Entity was ready to explode. I was *so* impressed with Amanda's acting in that moment. It was like watching someone rant and rave, without one word being spoken.

If I'm remembering this right, the director let Amanda decide how to act the Entity out.

If I'd had the power, I'd have personally handed Amanda an Emmy for her performance in that ep.

Sally :D

majorsal
January 16th, 2005, 10:09 PM
<snip>

On another note, Astro, yes, I read the same interview about Alan Kovacs making this brief cameo appearance and, yes, you did capture the right "fireman" in the above photos - that's Amanda's handsome hubby! :)

Amanda's hubby is a babe!

Sally :D

majorsal
January 16th, 2005, 10:16 PM
I can imagine the prospect of Carter resigning her position in the military and remaining as chief scientist and member of SG-1. Not that I'd want to see it happen, per se, but the way they're going on the show, with them portraying Sam as wanting to settle down, have kids, etc., I think it's possible.

I'd like to see her stay military, however. That was always one of the perks of her character, and indeed, one of the things I respected most about her character.

spoiler/speculation for s9


IF that's the reason they'd leave BB's character in command even after Sam returns, then I can accept that (begrudingly, because I really, really wanted to see Sam in command). But if they're having Sam lose command to this character just because Amanda needs more time with her family... If Sam's not in command next season, it better be because she's setting up house with Jack! :p But I still want to see Sam command Sg1. She's earned it!

Sally :D

LordAnubis
January 16th, 2005, 10:22 PM
Hi Lord Anubis

From your posted photos, I first thought you were little Jack from "Fragile Balance" - but we'll let you be Sam's kid brother if you like that better! ;)
heh, okay, thanks. Do I really look like the little O'neill?

majorsal
January 16th, 2005, 10:28 PM
you know, ascension is one eps where they so totally dropped the ball.

sam is distrusted, spied on, lied to...and oops, ok, so she's just gonna 'get over it' and all be fine

to be fair, they did the same with legacy and daniel, but there was a bit of closure at the end of that.

at the end of ascension, there's so much left undone.

like sam making the choice to follow orlin, knowing that that would get her in trouble.

i really felt for sam in that one. she trusted the guys and, whether they were followrin orders or not, they pretty much left her hanging


I totally agree about that ep. Sam really was alone in that ep. Okay, not totallly alone (thinking of scenes where her friends were there for her), but they did kinda abandon her. With all the crazy stuff they'd already been through, how could they so easily think she was going bonkers? It was stupid, and it was just an easy way to explain her feeling alone (and, thus, why she bonded with Orlin). But if I were Sam, I'd have been ticked at the guys, Janet, Hammond, the NID, and my own government.

Don't write the character to fit the plot, write the plot to fit the character.

Sally :)

majorsal
January 16th, 2005, 10:36 PM
<snip>

But there were things that I did like about the episode.
I thought Orlin was cute (in a loveable, scruffy way).
And I really liked the sci-fi aspect of sharing consciousnesses - they showed it beautifully.
The whole 'whipping up a Stargate' in the basement was also pretty cool.
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Oh, I loved that ep! (have it on tape) And I really liked Orlin too. In fact, the ONLY male suitor of Sam's I've liked besides Jack. Orlin was very sweet, and Sean Patrick Flannery did a great job with him. His feelings and Sam's response (to him and to the things that were going on in the ep) were believable.

Sally :D

majorsal
January 16th, 2005, 10:46 PM
i remember hearing that there was a scene that was cut. it's janet and sam in sam's lab, and janet tells her something like 'oh, yeah, didn't you know? the doctor cleared you hours ago'
thus implying that neither jack of george bothered to tell her that she was ok to come back to work. fostering sam's 'screw them' attitude. in it, she'd deeply hurt and offended. which, i think, is why she keeps orlin in her house for days without saying anything


I remember hearing about that cut scene too. Why didn't they keep it in!? The ONLY stuff that Sam's friends and co-workers had to go on was Sam's blood being anemic (thus explaining her tiredness and such), but if that really *was* the only thing to base Sam being nuts on, then the script was lacking. There wasn't enough set up to explain everyone's easy assumption that Sam was losing it.

Sally :)

majorsal
January 16th, 2005, 10:52 PM
<snip>

As a matter of fact, as happens with so many storylines, it amazes me they never had Sam show any residual effects from her Entity experience.

Toni

They've dropped the ball on a lot of the things that have happened to Sam over the years. The only thing they really let 'get to her' was in In the Line of Duty with Jolinar. But considering all the things that have happened to Sam, I would have liked to have seen the fall out from some of them. (they've done it to the guys too, so at least I know they're not ignoring Sam per se.)

Sally :)

T-Gate
January 16th, 2005, 11:42 PM
They've dropped the ball on a lot of the things that have happened to Sam over the years. The only thing they really let 'get to her' was in In the Line of Duty with Jolinar. But considering all the things that have happened to Sam, I would have liked to have seen the fall out from some of them. (they've done it to the guys too, so at least I know they're not ignoring Sam per se.)

Sally :)

Yes, we should have seen more fallout on alot of stories. If I had a fraction happen to me that happened to them, I'd be bonkers!!!
I also agree that Orlin was cute with Sam (but not as cute as Jack ;) )

Toni

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 17th, 2005, 05:58 AM
An answer by JM to a question posed by a poster about who would command SG-1 next year was answered this way:

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"he suspects they'll be able to work something out"? Uh, they're the writers, arent' they? Why shouldn't they be able to work it out? All you need to do is make it very clear in the show that BB's Lt. Col. M.M. is taking command *only* while Sam isn't there and have him step down when she comes back.

I think that, as an actor and a lead in the series she has more than proven her screen appeal. As Skydiver mentioned, the directors love AT because she's always got her Sam persona on, on set. They'd probably rather chew off their own feet than lose an asset like AT. :p

We don't know what kind of considerations AT put into her contract aside from the 15 ep agreement (do we?).

Skydiver
January 17th, 2005, 06:49 AM
I think that, as an actor and a lead in the series she has more than proven her screen appeal. As Skydiver mentioned, the directors love AT because she's always got her Sam persona on, on set. They'd probably rather chew off their own feet than lose an asset like AT. :p

We don't know what kind of considerations AT put into her contract aside from the 15 ep agreement (do we?).

no we don't. and if she said 'i want a year off to spend time with baby' i'd miss her like heck but i'd accept and respect her decision. just as i do rda's

family is forever

however, there is also the possibility that casting decisions aren't being made by the folks at bridge, they're beingmade by folks at mgm. and if mgm puts pressure on bridge to to things, there's not much bridge can do about it.

i have absolutely no idea what's going on, if anything, but i would not surprise me if mgm and scifi are pushing to farscape stargate...ie sex it up, make it a space comedy and totally revamp it

I would hope that years of dedication would count for something, but time will tell. And mgm and skiffy aren't exactly known as kind considerate folks ;)

Skydiver
January 17th, 2005, 06:52 AM
they have dropped the ball on a ton of fall out. sam did get some from itlod, but then jolinar becomes a bit of a plot device, a 'secret weapon' to save the day

she's kidnapped in desp meas and, in the end, the focus is on jack with nearly no mention of the trauma

in nightwalker she gets a second snake and there's nary a mention, same with new order

it is great for fic fodder, but if you don't read fic, then you don't get much of a closure fix

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 17th, 2005, 07:31 AM
in nightwalker she gets a second snake and there's nary a mention, same with new order

it is great for fic fodder, but if you don't read fic, then you don't get much of a closure fix

Ooh! Ooh! Is there fic out there that centers on Sam's second snaking?... Skydiver? :D

Skydiver
January 17th, 2005, 08:18 AM
Ooh! Ooh! Is there fic out there that centers on Sam's second snaking?... Skydiver? :D

lol

i kinda did one. Conclusions. it deals with sam's snaking and jack's issues from abyss...in a nice non-shippy way.

I need to write a fic for a zine, so i'm going back to s6 and tanking up on the dvd's. s6 was a really great season for sam and i'm hoping to grab some inspiration from it

ChopinGal
January 17th, 2005, 08:54 AM
I agree completely with all of you regarding some of the storylines that could have become major arcs or, at least, focused more on Sam's response to what had happened to her in the episode.

Can we petition TPTB to offer AT her own show? :D

Personally, I think there is a growing fanbase for this actor and Sam Carter is such a great character that a spin-off from SG-1 would be terrific.

And. now, reality check - reality check - TPTB are more interested in the, ahem, younger male demographic. My feeling, again, is that there is a much more mature market out there watching the show because of fine acting from AT and her fine development of a female hero. Wouldn't it be terrific if some producer was willing to take the risk and develop a Sam Carter show? I guess that would be wishful thinking right now, anyway, because of the direction AT is going in her personal life.

Actually, let's go for the gusto and think big! Let AT adjust to her new motherhood, and, if they really do something nasty by writing her out of the command position of SG-1 and keep Browder, then offer her a Canadian TV Talk show - I think AT would be a natural at something like that - her warmth and charm would just be the perfect combination and she would get to use her humorous side as well. She could be the Canadian version of Ellen DeGeneres ;)

Am I rambling?! :o

astrogeologist
January 17th, 2005, 10:04 AM
Another potential opportunity is how Sam interacts with MM, Tea'c, and Daniel when she returns and how Sam returns to her leadership role on SG-1.

Hopefully AT will be treated well---just a well known fact that females have the babies--hopefully that should not affect her status on the show, particularly because she plans to return for 15/20 episodes. This whole thing raises Interesting gender issues.
it can be very bad if sam gets kicked in the teeth and 'put in her place'

If Carter is no longer in charge of SG-1..after only getting one season...and most of that wasn't even with off-planet episodes where she could demonstate her command capabilities?... Then the fans and viewers will have been cheated out of what could have been very rewarding. :(

We need female leaders such as Amanda Tapping's portrayal of Sam Carter. :cool:

I have my fingers crossed that the shows writers and producers will handle things smartly (and not stereotypically).

Carter should command SG-1.
Since BB's character is supposed to already know SG-1, it would be great if he chose to serve on SG-1 because he knew that he wanted to serve under her command... and then he's actually disappointed when she's missing at the beginning of his new assignment!

I was looking forward to Carter getting to command out in the field in Season 8, but they didn't write episodes that offered that opportunity. In science fiction shows, the female lead is so often the 2IC, the second in command...and/or the science officer...with the major lead and overall commander being a male actor. I was really looking forward to Sam Carter moving into the command position more than they have shown so far.

AT will handle it superbly if they use the opportunities that Season 9 provides..
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astrogeologist
January 17th, 2005, 10:05 AM
Most of the following has been posted on other threads, but it felt appropriate to post here after some of the earlier posts on this thread. :cool:


I hope [A.T.] is able to return and continue to grow as Sam Carter in S9 if she is able to juggle both motherhood and her career. It would be lovely to see her taking Sam to new heights if the writers would provide the opportunities to get her back to her character's true arc: a strong woman warrior who is now a leader.


Yes, I agree. I really hope they go in this direction [Carter's in charge when AT returns]. I will be very disappointed if they don't, to put it mildly.

I also think that the writers have a really good opportunity to write some interesting character development/growth for Sam in Season Nine. One potential opportunity is given in how her short absence is explained. They could make it really boring, like she is teaching at the academy for a bit, or make it more exciting (I don't know, maybe working on some secret mission with her father and then sometime goes terribly wrong---then SG-1 has to send out a rescue mission---[...])

I find myself actually looking forward (albeit apprehensively :rolleyes:)) to what the writers will devise for Sam Carter’s absence. I hope that the writers and directors come up with some truly creative ways to deal with the absences of AT and RDA in Season 9. To date, the Stargate writers and directors have surprised and impressed me with how well they handled Michael Shanks' departure for Season 6 and then RDA's reduced availability in Seasons 7 and 8. Having Daniel ascend after saving Jonas' planet was truly 'big'... truly heroic, and a great send-off (seeings that they didn't know that MS would be wanting to come back). And then – having Daniel take on Anubis single-handedly… again, appropriately ‘big and heroic’ for a sci-fi lead character.

And the accommodations for RDA in terms of the shooting schedules and the creative scripts that maintain O'Neill's presence. Allowing him to become a general, allowing his character to grow and develop. All very well done. And the integration of Ben Browder’s character sounds smartly done – that they are going to create a backstory for him that interweaves his character with the past many years of Stargate lore. What I’ve heard so far sounds appropriately ‘big and heroic’ for a lead character of SG-1 – what it will take to have the Stargate audience embrace the new character. HOWEVER, I will feel cheated by BB's character if he takes over permanent command of SG-1, replacing Carter.

Now... I just hope that the writers and directors can think 'big' and 'heroic' when it comes to storylines that deal with the absences of AT and RDA in Season 9. Hmmm... what I'm trying to say is that I hope that they don't do something lame... like say that Carter is just off working at the Academy, or on some research project or some such. That's a throwaway idea - not fit for what they have done so far. Beings that AT is slated to come back, I hope that they come up with a big storyline that intrigues the viewers. Maybe something that plays off that phrase that O'Neill used in the Lost City... 'National Treasure/National Resource'... I think there's a good episode title in there somewhere...

They've written 'big and heroic' episodes and scenes for O'Neill and Daniel and it sounds like they will be writing some for BB's character. O'Neill saved earth basically single-handedly in 'Lost City' and Daniel has Ascended and taken on Anubis... and BB's character is apparently going to be an X-302 hero.

I certainly hope that they are planning to write some 'big and heroic' arcs and stories for Carter.
It's time to return to that. Carter is one of the original Stargate heroes.
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astrogeologist
January 17th, 2005, 10:12 AM
That's another thing I really appreciate about AT; she's always on the ball at work. She doesn't need to have the camera focused on her in order to act. She's always reacting to what is going on. No standing around with hands in her pocket waiting for her cue.
Thought of another few of my fave Carter/AT moments this time from Need.

When Sam, Jack and Teal'c are stuck down in the mine and Daniel bounces in and talks about the sarcophagus - "I've used it before without any side effects...... and look no glasses" Sam: "Sounds like a side effect to me!" along with a great expression

Coming back through the stargate she gives Daniel a real glare, then when O'Neill says to Hammond - "Had a great time sir, Sam got some naquedah ..... AT just apathetically lifts the package slightly - showing a slight peeve and tiredness from her ordeal.

I though it was excellently delivered. Just watch the hand movement and body language next time you see the ep.



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DANIEL: And I've used it before without any side effects. And look! No glasses!
CARTER: That looks like a side effect to me.

GATEROOM GENERAL HAMMOND is waiting at the bottom of the ramp for SG-1
O'NEILL: We had a nice time, Sir. Carter picked up some Naquada. Teal'c made some new friends as usual. DANIEL got engaged. And, um, I'm gonna hit the showers.


And here's another few AT expressions that I liked from that episode:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/needpanel3.jpg
In the first photo, Sam is reacting to Daniel's 'Royal Robes'...
In the middle photo, Sam is trying to figure out a Daniel on withdrawal.
In the third photo, Sam is reacting to a quarrelsome and increasingly edgy Daniel
who is arguing for the general practice of using the sarcophagus.

CARTER: Look, your endorphin level was through the roof when we came back. And now you're coming down off of it. The effects of the sarcophagus are like a narcotic Daniel.
DANIEL: Yeah, that makes you smarter, stronger, you live for hundreds of years, feel great. What the hell is so wrong with it?
CARTER: I think it's partly what makes the Goa'uld as bad as they are.
DANIEL: How?
CARTER: Who knows. It's Goa'uld technology Daniel. Maybe it's healing affects alter your brain chemistry. Increased adrenaline, the hormones that make you more aggressive and irrational. Pyrus probably used to be a decent man. Look at yourself. It's like you need a fix. You've only used it a few times and already it's changed you.
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The photos are screen captures from the episode 'Need'
The transcript excerpts are from the Stargate SG-1 Transcript website (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm)
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Hatusu
January 17th, 2005, 11:58 AM
I certainly hope that they are planning to write some 'big and heroic' arcs and stories for Carter.
It's time to return to that. Carter is one of the original Stargate heroes.

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Thanks for reminding me how creative the writers have been. I would love something that would stretch Tapping's character, and her acting skills. Just look at how much came out of Daniel ascending. If she's captured, please make it something good.

Coley
January 17th, 2005, 12:34 PM
Hi everyone
I'm feeling a little better - thanks astrogeologist.

As always everyones comments and astro's captures are a real joy!!

Lord Anubis - you could be sam's younger cousin? I don't think she has a younger brother. Yup you could pass for having her genes!

TGate - a good point re Ascention and Entity issues, I think the writers leave a whole lot to be assumed - as of course they can't fill a show full of explanations. But I was really surprised the chaps didn't belive her - it didn't run right for me. I liked Daniels reply to O'Neill when he said "How's Sam?" O'Neill replies - absolutley no sign at all of her alien visitor" (or something like that) Daniel replies witha surprised and slightly narked look on his face "How's Sam?!!

I'm with everyone re the BB/AT issue. Sam should lead - wouldn't make sense to me if she didn't. But as I said earlier in the thread I have my suspicions they went after BB for his appeal on Farscape he will bring a lot of fans to SG1 - then they wrote a character to fit him (they may have had to offer BB the lead to get him to sign) - which in the long run I don't think is a really good idea. You need to create a really good character first who will fit, compliment and expand the existing cast. (But hey maybe they've done that and I'm just too cynical).

I agree they may be trying to sex SG1 up - its not seen as a hip show - see the GAT4 thread and the flack its getting of CH4 presenters here in the UK. I also suspect this is why Claudia Black has been brought in (wasn't she voted sexiest female in Sci Fi or something one year). I'm afraid this just reflects the general dumbing down of society and an unhealthy obsession with good looks in my opinion (or is it the media which is dumbing us down?). I didn't know any of the actors when I started watching SG1 (which was only last summer by buying the DVD's) But the show was an instant hit with me. No one stood out instantly as being particulary good looking - they were all too busy being soldiers and explorers. Attraction grows based on a persons character (I think). I'm disapointed in the way Stargate is heading as it will lose a little bit of what it has stood for over the last 8 years. Hopefully I'm way off base and will be proved wrong - please!!!!!

I thought an experienced military female would be great - someone who would know Carter really well - like a really close cousin - there would be a comedic but affectionate spark. I also thought a female would potentially gel better with Teal'c (get a little closer - in a friend sense) and possibly enhance his role. I thought that the new character and Daniel would struggle trying to understand each other which may be fun.
In the main I thought it would have been ground breaking to have 2 very strong females in the lead cast - who actually work really really well together. Maybe thats just me.

I'm sure Claudia Black is a great actor (I haven't seen her act) I just don't think she is right for SG1. I just hope they write a suitable and fun loving character for BB.

Thanks to astrogeologist again for all the captures - they're great!
I'd forgotton about the Bikini quote by Urgo until I watched it last night - teriffic - I loved that whole scene.

Also in Need she did a great expression and delivery when replying to Daniels mention of a feast she said something like "You get food?"

I've just watched Failsafe - a great solid performance by AT - Sams just so competent (need spell check) She jus matter of factly says they could detonate the bomb in the ship to make sure - They're all hero's!!!

I'm surprised there are people who don't like Sam (want her in the background). I could quite understand people being possibly indifferent - or her not being everyones favourite. But not to like her! Whats not to like? I think all the cast are likeable (apart from those we love to hate). Every single one! I would love to see more of everyone given a 3 hour ep instead of 45 mins!

Everyone's comments are interesting as always. I'm off to watch more stargate (haven't really watched much else since the summer!!)

chocdoc
January 17th, 2005, 03:30 PM
Coley, glad you are feeling a little better.

I think someone already mentioned this, but I really appreciated AT's performance in the torture scenes in New Order. It was very dramatic and you could really feel Sam's anguish.

What I also liked in these scenes is that I think Sam used an effective strategy against Fifth under these horrible conditions (and considerable pain). She tried to appeal to Fifth's human emotions---what there was of them. There was no way Sam was going to get out of this situation with physical force. There was nothing Fifth wanted but to torture her because he felt she betrayed her (and from his point of view she really did). So, a resourceful tactic is to appeal to his "compassion" and possible ability to "forgive." In the end, Sam's strategy was effective because he let her go.

I loved this performance and Sam's resourcefulness.

jckfan55
January 17th, 2005, 03:33 PM
Hi everyone


TGate - a good point re Ascention and Entity issues, I think the writers leave a whole lot to be assumed - as of course they can't fill a show full of explanations. But I was really surprised the chaps didn't belive her - it didn't run right for me. I liked Daniels reply to O'Neill when he said "How's Sam?" O'Neill replies - absolutley no sign at all of her alien visitor" (or something like that) Daniel replies witha surprised and slightly narked look on his face "How's Sam?!!


I thought an experienced military female would be great - someone who would know Carter really well - like a really close cousin - there would be a comedic but affectionate spark. I also thought a female would potentially gel better with Teal'c (get a little closer - in a friend sense) and possibly enhance his role. I thought that the new character and Daniel would struggle trying to understand each other which may be fun.
In the main I thought it would have been ground breaking to have 2 very strong females in the lead cast - who actually work really really well together. Maybe thats just me.





Yes, that O'Neill comment--something like "her imaginary friend" was too uncaring. Going for the laugh at the expense of the way the character probably would have acted.
I always thought it would have been neat to see more interaction with Carter and Tealc's wife and now with Ishta.

astrogeologist
January 17th, 2005, 03:38 PM
Coley, glad you are feeling a little better.

I think someone already mentioned this, but I really appreciated AT's performance in the torture scenes in New Order. It was very dramatic and you could really feel Sam's anguish.

What I also liked in these scenes is that I think Sam used an effective strategy against Fifth under these horrible conditions (and considerable pain). She tried to appeal to Fifth's human emotions---what there was of them. There was no way Sam was going to get out of this situation with physical force. There was nothing Fifth wanted but to torture her because he felt she betrayed her (and from his point of view she really did). So, a resourceful tactic is to appeal to his "compassion" and possible ability to "forgive." In the end, Sam's strategy was effective because he let her go.

I loved this performance and Sam's resourcefulness.

Nice post Chocdoc! And Chopingal is writing a fanfic along the very lines that you describe above; the story is called 'Head Trip' (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2179219/1/) :cool:
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chocdoc
January 17th, 2005, 03:43 PM
Nice post Chocdoc! And Chopingal is writing a fanfic along the very lines that you describe above; the story is called 'Head Trip' (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2179219/1/) :cool:
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Thanks for reminding me, Astrogeologist! I am reading that fanfic and it is great so far.

Chopingal---thanks for writing Head Trip so far---can't wait to read the rest!

astrogeologist
January 17th, 2005, 04:05 PM
TGate - a good point re Ascention and Entity issues, I think the writers leave a whole lot to be assumed - as of course they can't fill a show full of explanations. But I was really surprised the chaps didn't belive her - it didn't run right for me. I liked Daniels reply to O'Neill when he said "How's Sam?" O'Neill replies - absolutley no sign at all of her alien visitor" (or something like that) Daniel replies witha surprised and slightly narked look on his face "How's Sam?

Daniel's reaction in that scene in Ascension reminds me of his reaction with Jack in the elevator in 'Grace'
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/jackanddanielelevator.jpg
O'NEILL: Sounds like a long shot.
DANIEL: Well unfortunately the Tok'ra are unable to send a ship at this time. They've promised to retrace the route of the Prometheus as soon as they can but visiting these planets is…
O'NEILL: What? Is what? (glaring)
DANIEL: Is something!
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The photos are screen captures from the episodes 'Grace'
The transcript excerpts are from the Stargate SG-1 Transcript website (http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm)
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ChopinGal
January 17th, 2005, 06:15 PM
I just keep coming back to this thread - did you notice how a sisterhood seems to be developing here? And, of course, our "little brother" Jared too ;) You are one brave dude to be hanging out with us older women :) And, yes, I think there is a resemblance to "young Jack". ;)

Seriously, I feel safe on this thread. Everyone is linked positively to the admiration of AT and her portrayal of one great scifi character, Sam Carter.

There is such a lack of strong female roles on TV and in the movies, that it's just refreshing to have this one constant for the past eight seasons. We're thrilled she's coming back and we are reminding the writers to treat her right! No second-hand scripts, fellas! :)

I think there is so much complexity to the characters of both Sam and Jack and that this is why there's so much fanfic out there also. They intrigue and mystify us.

Some of you have mentioned the insane shooting schedules (as AT has mentioned herself) around RDA's reduced presence the past two seasons. I believe I read that on one day AT went from true grit in Death Knell right over to the Chimera glam scene, all while she was shooting Grace too. It's to all their credit that they are able to stay in character throughout. But it must takes its toll. I also hope that if RDA moves on out (at least the regs will be gone), that the shooting of episodes will return to a more cohesive and integrated process. Even in watching Singularity tonight - I was so amazed at the overall quality of that piece - everything fit - acting, writing, pace ... there was a lot of energy in the early seasons that I hope they can get back in S9. Oops - sorry - teetering on the brink here of going off topic! :eek:

Anyhow - let's keep this thread going! And, let's keep supporting each other and our favorite hero, Sam! One way we can do this is to write some strong fanfic showing her as the Sam Carter we all want to see on screen. ;) And then we can hope that the (male) writers take the hint! :D

I know I'm not the only writer on this thread. What I would love is everyone sharing their links to their own Sam Carter stories - how great would that be? And, believe me, if you haven't read a story by AstroG yet - you are in for a real treat! :)

Peace (and don't forget Lowdown tonight!)

ChopinGal
January 17th, 2005, 06:18 PM
Thanks for reminding me, Astrogeologist! I am reading that fanfic and it is great so far.

Chopingal---thanks for writing Head Trip so far---can't wait to read the rest!

Thanks for the publicity, AstroG, and many thanks for the compliments, Chocdoc :) Hope you continue to enjoy it - it's my way of saluting Sam! ;)

majorsal
January 17th, 2005, 06:41 PM
they have dropped the ball on a ton of fall out. sam did get some from itlod, but then jolinar becomes a bit of a plot device, a 'secret weapon' to save the day

she's kidnapped in desp meas and, in the end, the focus is on jack with nearly no mention of the trauma

in nightwalker she gets a second snake and there's nary a mention, same with new order

it is great for fic fodder, but if you don't read fic, then you don't get much of a closure fix

Yes! Desperate Measures and New Order had pretty big things happen to Sam, and have shown no fall out from such harrowing ordeals. Sam's not a machine, so where's the reactions? But like I said before, they've done it with the guys as well (Jack and Abyss anyone?).

Sally, who's excited about the new Lowdown on tonight! :D

ps - Now that Sam's had two symbiotes die within her (Nightwalkers), does that mean she's got double the naquada in her blood? I don't think she's got two sets of memories???....

Skydiver
January 17th, 2005, 07:45 PM
ps - Now that Sam's had two symbiotes die within her (Nightwalkers), does that mean she's got double the naquada in her blood? I don't think she's got two sets of memories???....

conrad's clones didn't have naq in them. however, i would imagine that sam has a hell of alot of scar tissue at the back of her neck. two symbiotes absorbing has to have some effect

majorsal
January 17th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Coley, glad you are feeling a little better.

I think someone already mentioned this, but I really appreciated AT's performance in the torture scenes in New Order. It was very dramatic and you could really feel Sam's anguish.

What I also liked in these scenes is that I think Sam used an effective strategy against Fifth under these horrible conditions (and considerable pain). She tried to appeal to Fifth's human emotions---what there was of them. There was no way Sam was going to get out of this situation with physical force. There was nothing Fifth wanted but to torture her because he felt she betrayed her (and from his point of view she really did). So, a resourceful tactic is to appeal to his "compassion" and possible ability to "forgive." In the end, Sam's strategy was effective because he let her go.

I loved this performance and Sam's resourcefulness.


I recorded New Order to keep. And I only did that because of Sam/Amanda. Amanda was incredible in the torture scenes!

If Amanda were here right now, I'd thank her for being a fantastic actress and fantastic person.

*applauds*

You earned it, woman! ;)

Sally :D

majorsal
January 17th, 2005, 07:51 PM
conrad's clones didn't have naq in them. however, i would imagine that sam has a hell of alot of scar tissue at the back of her neck. two symbiotes absorbing has to have some effect

Oh, how could I forget about the naquada thinger! *shakes head at decreasing memory.... what was I saying?*

What about her having some of that Goauld's memories, though?


Sally :D

astrogeologist
January 17th, 2005, 08:56 PM
I think someone already mentioned this, but I really appreciated AT's performance in the torture scenes in New Order. It was very dramatic and you could really feel Sam's anguish.

What I also liked in these scenes is that I think Sam used an effective strategy against Fifth under these horrible conditions (and considerable pain). She tried to appeal to Fifth's human emotions---what there was of them. There was no way Sam was going to get out of this situation with physical force. There was nothing Fifth wanted but to torture her because he felt she betrayed her (and from his point of view she really did). So, a resourceful tactic is to appeal to his "compassion" and possible ability to "forgive." In the end, Sam's strategy was effective because he let her go.

I loved this performance and Sam's resourcefulness.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/FifthtorturesSam.jpg
I recorded New Order to keep. And I only did that because of Sam/Amanda. Amanda was incredible in the torture scenes! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/accesspics/carterinreplblocks150.jpg
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Since the DVDs for Season 8 won't be released until next October,
I searched the web for screen captures that have been posted. :cool:
Photos are screen captures from
The Official Amanda Tapping Website (http://www.amandatapping.com/Scripts/PostNuke/modules.php?set_albumName=albuo24&op=modload&name=Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php)
The Abydos Gate Website (http://stargate-sg1.hu/photos/index.php?spgmGal=Season_8)
Gateworld (http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s8/802.shtml)
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NearlyCircular
January 17th, 2005, 09:06 PM
Chopingal, you’re right, this does seem to be developing into a sisterhood of sorts. It’s sooo good after all these years to finally see a female character in scifi who seems real, and maybe that’s one of the reasons that she’s struck a chord with us.

I’m really hopeful that in the ninth season TPTB treat the character with the respect she’s earned over the last 8 years, but I keep remembering the scene in Fragile Balance when Sam was briefing the pilots and was shown complete disrespect. Then young Jack comes in and he’s accepted with very little hesitation. I just cringe when I see that scene. I know it was a way of making it clear that Jack was still Jack and still held the esteem of the pilots, but I felt it was at Sam’s expense. Astrog, I love your fanfic, Come Fly With Me, which addresses that scene.

By the way, I just finished the third of the Fandemonium books, A Matter of Honor, and as a Sam fan, I really enjoyed it. It’s a good team-based book, much better written than those original paperbacks. You can tell that these 3 books have been written by authors that actually know and like the show.

T-Gate
January 17th, 2005, 09:42 PM
Hi everyone

TGate - a good point re Ascention and Entity issues, I think the writers leave a whole lot to be assumed - as of course they can't fill a show full of explanations. But I was really surprised the chaps didn't belive her - it didn't run right for me. I liked Daniels reply to O'Neill when he said "How's Sam?" O'Neill replies - absolutley no sign at all of her alien visitor" (or something like that) Daniel replies witha surprised and slightly narked look on his face "How's Sam?!!


I didn't like it either that they didn't believe her, and if I were Sam I'd have been very hurt by their reaction, but I do understand why they might have had serious doubts.

Toni

T-Gate
January 17th, 2005, 10:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skydiver
they have dropped the ball on a ton of fall out. sam did get some from itlod, but then jolinar becomes a bit of a plot device, a 'secret weapon' to save the day

she's kidnapped in desp meas and, in the end, the focus is on jack with nearly no mention of the trauma

in nightwalker she gets a second snake and there's nary a mention, same with new order

it is great for fic fodder, but if you don't read fic, then you don't get much of a closure fix



Yes! Desperate Measures and New Order had pretty big things happen to Sam, and have shown no fall out from such harrowing ordeals. Sam's not a machine, so where's the reactions? But like I said before, they've done it with the guys as well (Jack and Abyss anyone?).



I'm wondering with this whole trend they've been doing having Sam acting on her emotions whether it be making poor decisions in her love life (accepting Pete after the way he treated her) or in being so gullible with Replicarter if they are somehow addressing these issues. Maybe the accumulation of all these things that happened to her are finally getting to her and that's why they've taken a bit of the edge off Sam.
However this could only work if in one of the upcoming episodes, they make it clear that she is reacting to all that's happened and is tired and in need of some emotional support. We all go thru moments of weakness (I think), but the trick is to pick ourselves up again. That's what our Sam has to do, and we here all know she can do it!

I hate the fact so many people are losing respect for Sam because of her behavior in the last year. I hope tptb did had a plan in mind when they started this trend and that they have every intention of addressing it and fixing it.
I wish I had enough faith in tptb to believe this would be the case. Unfortunately I don't think they have it in them to have thought that far ahead. We can only hope.

Toni

Tok'Ra Hostess
January 18th, 2005, 07:52 AM
Toni;

Nice post. It got me to reflecting on something:

I think, despite their somewhat clumsy handling of Sam's character at times, that TPTB have been faithful to Sam's core personality.

In COTG we learn that she believed that she deserved to go through the Gate on the first(Movie) mission. She was dammed if a mere Colonel was gonna stop her, this time. Sam - an irresistible force of nature.

In First Commandment, she shows that she is attracted to men who want control -why? Is it because they are the only ones who can challenge her, emotionally? What do you folks think?

Jonah tells us that Sam is a "healer of the emotionally wounded." He was her one failure. "The bird with the broken wing that wouldn't heal." Sam - the controlling personality; she couldn't "fix" Jonah so she left him.

I know it's more complicated than that, but, at its essence, I think this is part of who Sam is, that darker side to her personality that Replicarter was talking about.

Of course, the monumental fiasco that resulted from the Replicarter incident really let us see deeply into Sam's controlling side. Great episode for AT despite the apparent military FUBAR. (And I absolutely love the bit where repSam and realSam remember the wind in the willow tree sounding "exactly like rain." )

On to Pete. Story Pete. Sulky Pete. Stalker Pete.

He sounds like another Jonah to me. I thought him quite charming. I really do like Pete and Sam together - and I'm a dedicated fence-sitter when it comes to ship.

Sam's brother sold her on meeting Pete because "he had a story," so he had the requisite darkness of the soul resulting from his detective work, and he had - talk about a broken wing(or is that a broken record?:) ) - a wife that couldn't take living with a man married to his dangerous job. (Also somewhat related to Jack not being able to keep his wife.... Makes me wonder if Jonah was also a divorcee....)

He controls her through sulking, and she doesn't find it that off-putting that he stalked her. (They obviously discussed this, as Pete uses that very word in Affinity.)

Yup. Pete, for better or for worse, seems right up Sam's alley, if you ask me.

So what I'm trying to say is that Sam has been consistent in playing, however subtely, her darker side, the one that will lead her into making the wrong decisions. Now that Replicarter has forced her to acknowledge that darker side, it should be interesting to see what Sam does with it.

Skydiver
January 18th, 2005, 10:41 AM
i think a lot of the stuff with sam's dark side is that she's never faced it. she's never hit her nadir. Jack and teal'c have. both of them have faced imprisonment or duties that pushed them to the brink of sanity and the point of suicide.

gemini spoilage

sam, for all she's done, has never been pushed that far. she's never found out just how desperate she can be or how far she'll go. she's never embraced her 'dark side' and, to me, this is why replicarter got around her

Replicarter HAS faced her desperation. she was made/created/learned to not give a damn about morals or right or wrong. her sole motivation is her own survival and growth. she doesn't care about anything else and will let nothing else get in her way. she'll use whatever she can to get her goals.

sam still clings to her humanity. she still puts duty to earth before her own preferences. Sam doen'st realize just how far she's capable of going.
although, she just might now. I think gemini gave her a glimpse into how bad of a b**** she can be


teal'c knows, and i think jack knows, but, maybe it's romantic of me, i think both of those guys would be perfectly happy if she never found her nadir. I think they like being able to keep her as 'innocent' as possible.
and by that i mean, those two guys willingly do the dirty work so that sam and daniel (and even jonas) don't have to.

Jack and teal'c protect the other two members of their team. I think that's why J&T have a bond that the others just can't get. They both know just how 'bad' they can be....and both, consciously or not, try to keep others from experiencing that very same thing

Skydiver
January 18th, 2005, 10:45 AM
pete may control sam through sulking, but in another way, he seems to be too nice for her. in that i mean....he waited THREE weeks for an answer.

Good grief, three weeks????

he's almost a doormat.

sam has a rather forceful personality and, i think, she needs someone who pushes back. someone who challenges her. Pete's not taht much of a challenge.

that's why i just dont' see it lasting

i think, eventaully, there would be too many conflicts. who's in charge? who thinks he should be in charge, sam 'bossing' him around. him getting tired of 'her wearing the pants'...him intimidated by her stature and, if teh stargate ever becomes public, fame

I think it would sorta be like Chuck and Di in a way. the wife's stature adn fame would rankle with the husband and lead to discontent

tara3583
January 18th, 2005, 11:25 AM
pete may control sam through sulking, but in another way, he seems to be too nice for her. in that i mean....he waited THREE weeks for an answer.

Good grief, three weeks????

he's almost a doormat.

sam has a rather forceful personality and, i think, she needs someone who pushes back. someone who challenges her. Pete's not taht much of a challenge.

that's why i just dont' see it lasting

i think, eventaully, there would be too many conflicts. who's in charge? who thinks he should be in charge, sam 'bossing' him around. him getting tired of 'her wearing the pants'...him intimidated by her stature and, if teh stargate ever becomes public, fame

I think it would sorta be like Chuck and Di in a way. the wife's stature adn fame would rankle with the husband and lead to discontent


Wow that's a very interesting take on Sam and Pete, i always thought of Sam taking to Pete solely because he showed her that side of her that she thought was missing in her, her soft "girly" side.

Coley
January 18th, 2005, 12:55 PM
Hi eveyone again.

Chopingal - some nice comments re Sam and female leads. Not seen much Sci Fi, but was pleased when Janeway was captain in Voyager. Not many people seemed to like Voyager - but I did. Mainly because they were travelling. I didn't much go for DS9 as it was a stationary base (probably only makes sense to me). Anyway I thought she made a good Captain, but the writers didn't give her any depth at all really. I think this is where Stargate has got me captivated, layers are being added to the characters all the time.

Astrogeologist I know you think Sam carter is the strongest female lead you have seen in your viewing of sci fi - which other character comes the closest. Has anyone else made you sit up - or is it just Carter?

I know it has been said numerous times on the thread, but I think the strength of Carter really comes from AT. I think she is such a strong actor that the writers roll with it. (and roll with it very well I hasten to add)

She can do all the physical stuff - that in itself is a great inspiration to women over 35 - you can still be fit and active - though it takes work.
Her movements in the fight scenes - hand to hand - are very well done - she must practice the moves a lot.
She carries her weapons and moves just like military personnel. Look at the piccis posted by atrogeologist re the cannon - what a star
Yet she can switch from all action non nonsense Captain/Major/Colonel to being an actractive feminine woman - in Chimera. A caring compassionate individual - Singularity. An emotional Sam in POV.
She then switches to all the complicated scientific dialogue - which she not only delivers with precision - but she also understands.
She shows compassion in the field at appropriate times with just the right expressions - never overdone.
She's shown anger and frustration on a number of occasions.
Her timing in delivering lines is impeccable.

I don't know about Sam being the US's National Treasure - AT must surley be MGM's biggest treasure?
I'm totally blown away by her - pardon the pun.
I just hope the writers continue to do the actor justice.

Is anyone else on the thread amazed she hasn't been picked up for a major movie. Is she just too good? She'd knock spots off most of the hollywood actors!!

Just a question re the fanfic. I'm almost too embarrased to ask. Do I just click on the link? Then what? Do I read it online? Am I allowed to copy it to my desktop? How do I give feedback? How do I find all the Carter positive fanfic (apart from the ones mentioned in this thread)?

Do the Stargate writers ever read the fanfic and has any fanfic been turned into an episode?

How come it is mainly older women that feel an admiration for Sam and Amanda. Do you think any chaps think she's an amazing actor, but they tend not to post on topics such as acting ability - unless it is negative? I've tended to find in life (in my very small pond I may add) that men in general are not very good at seeing others strengths and passing comment on them. Could this be a valid reason? Or do you think there is a general resistence to having a female in charge in a military capacity? Any thoughts anyone? Is posting a thought like this out of order in the forum?

I watched Menace last night. There was a great little scene with Daniel Sam and O'Neill just outside the lab when they were discussing the robot which had just been reactivated. It was a wonderful scene. O'Neill kept saying "It's a machine!"

Just a comment on Pete. I have only seen him in Chimera.
I didn't see him as a stalker - that has certain connotations. I think he just really wanted to be sure of what she did. I assumed he thought she was lying to him about her job and he wanted to find out why. Then when he found out what she may be into, wanted to confirm exactly what it was she did. We all love to hate the NID don't we because we know what they are capable of. I assumed Pete wanted to make sure she wasn't mixed up with something like that, rather than wanting to stalk or control her. Whether it was wrong of him to check up on her is a different thing - but then again she was lying about what she did for a living - which although she had no chioce - isn't exactly a great basis for a relationship. I think it was a quite complex issue. At least he cared enough to try and find out the truth????
Having said that I rather wished she had gone out dating a few chaps (not at the same time) (does anyone find Mr Right that quickly at our age?), had a nice time, gained some confidence before admitting that it is really O'Neill that grabs her - and of course they hopefully get together in season 9!! They must surley get together?

Oh yes I agree with that scene re the briefing. I just couldn't believe that. That wouldn't really happen, I'm sure they would be more disciplined than that. A boob by the writers I think. One of a few in season 7!!!

Have they ever thought of getting a female writer on the team?

Keep posting everyone. Lots of new ideas and points keep cropping up - all of which are interesting!!