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.jolinar.
March 5th, 2007, 10:24 AM
I was sure I've asked this brfore but I searced and it came up empty so I guess I didn't. Anyway does anyone know the weight of an F-302 or a Puddle Jumper? Thanks
IcyNeko
March 5th, 2007, 10:58 AM
"Heavier than me."
the_dark_light
March 5th, 2007, 11:47 AM
"Heavier than me."

Well that's a given.

On a serious note, I don't think the weight of a jumper/302 has ever been mentioned. Besides the obvious point, are we talking weight with the inertial dampening turned on or off?
IcyNeko
March 5th, 2007, 12:35 PM
What does inertial dampening systems have to do with weight? Inertial Dampeners are things that prevent things inside the starship from feeling the effects of shifts in velocity and acceleration. When a ship goes from 0 to warp, it's the thing that prevents the crew from slamming into the hull and turning into salsa. has nothing to do with weight.

and turning on anti-grav (which is what I think you were thinking of) is really pointless, since Antigrav effectively lifts you off the ground by countering the effects of gravity in small increments. It would be like asking "HOW MUCH WOULD THEY WEIGH IF SOMEONE LIFTED THEM UP WITH CRANES."
bniblett
March 5th, 2007, 12:38 PM
lets say, power off, on the ground, on earth, nobody inside. any body know how much it weighs?
IcyNeko
March 5th, 2007, 12:40 PM
The answer, as stated above, is no.
jenks
March 5th, 2007, 02:39 PM
The puddle jumpers can change their weight anyway...
the_dark_light
March 5th, 2007, 03:03 PM
What does inertial dampening systems have to do with weight? Inertial Dampeners are things that prevent things inside the starship from feeling the effects of shifts in velocity and acceleration. When a ship goes from 0 to warp, it's the thing that prevents the crew from slamming into the hull and turning into salsa. has nothing to do with weight.

and turning on anti-grav (which is what I think you were thinking of) is really pointless, since Antigrav effectively lifts you off the ground by countering the effects of gravity in small increments. It would be like asking "HOW MUCH WOULD THEY WEIGH IF SOMEONE LIFTED THEM UP WITH CRANES."

You're right, inertial dampening shouldn't have anything to do with weight, but it seems to be one of the pieces of "kronky" science in the show:

1) In redemption, Sam's explaining the technical problems with getting the gate in to orbit, she states that the engines were designed for a vessel with an alien internal dampening system, with a lower overall mass

2) And in SGA "The Storm", Carson claims that he's adding weight to the jumper by resetting it's inertial dampening
IcyNeko
March 5th, 2007, 07:35 PM
Frakking writers... *grumbles*
garhkal
March 6th, 2007, 03:41 AM
"Heavier than me."

LOL... Must put jumper on Jenny craig!~
the_dark_light
March 6th, 2007, 03:43 AM
LOL... Must put jumper on Jenny craig!~

:S Who?
.jolinar.
March 6th, 2007, 04:16 AM
Well that's a given.

On a serious note, I don't think the weight of a jumper/302 has ever been mentioned. Besides the obvious point, are we talking weight with the inertial dampening turned on or off?

Sorry. Inertial Dampeners deactivated. I know it's never been mentioned but can anyone guestimate?
IcyNeko
March 6th, 2007, 08:06 AM
... How the heck does one guestimate the weight of a ship that has no real point of comparison?

I guess you can start with "it's not heavy enough to sink into the ground when it lands", but just about ANYTHING on the planet can do that.
.jolinar.
March 7th, 2007, 05:24 AM
... How the heck does one guestimate the weight of a ship that has no real point of comparison?

I guess you can start with "it's not heavy enough to sink into the ground when it lands", but just about ANYTHING on the planet can do that.

Well you could compare the F-302 to another fighter of similar size and shape. Add weight for the inertial dampeners & life support & take weight for material used e.c.t.
Semmer
March 7th, 2007, 05:39 AM
We could start wondering what is it's displacement. We got the lenght and height, don't we?
Then we could assume that it's made of an alloy of trinium, which is 100 times ligher and stronger than steel, so what do we have here.. for steel we could use iron.. let's say trinium weights 76g per litre or 76kg per cubic metre.
wolfax
March 7th, 2007, 06:47 PM
I think Semmer has a point. But even if you add all the guesstimation factors, it will still be a guesstimation.
jds1982
March 8th, 2007, 06:47 PM
Actually the inertial dampeners could have a lot to do with weight, at least effective weight. If you're accelerating in a car you get pushed back in the seat and feel heavy due to your body's inertia. If you put a scale behind you it would register more weight when accelerating than before you sped up. If you can manipulate inertia you can make an object "effectively" heavier or lighter, which is what Carson did.
travis
March 8th, 2007, 07:20 PM
LOL... Must put jumper on Jenny craig!~

:lol:
travis
March 8th, 2007, 07:28 PM
:S Who?

A weight loss center
Semmer
March 9th, 2007, 04:31 AM
Actually the inertial dampeners could have a lot to do with weight, at least effective weight. If you're accelerating in a car you get pushed back in the seat and feel heavy due to your body's inertia. If you put a scale behind you it would register more weight when accelerating than before you sped up. If you can manipulate inertia you can make an object "effectively" heavier or lighter, which is what Carson did.But still.. we are talking about the weight we can measure by putting our jumper on a scale and then read what the scale says. Just like you go to scale to see "What's my weight?" You don't jump up and down on a scale when measuring, do you?
jds1982
March 9th, 2007, 05:30 AM
But still.. we are talking about the weight we can measure by putting our jumper on a scale and then read what the scale says. Just like you go to scale to see "What's my weight?" You don't jump up and down on a scale when measuring, do you?

I understand what you're getting at, I just wanted to correct the mistaken notion that weight and inertia can't be related.
IcyNeko
March 9th, 2007, 08:31 AM
Well you could compare the F-302 to another fighter of similar size and shape. Add weight for the inertial dampeners & life support & take weight for material used e.c.t.

Ok Gorg Captain, how exactly do you do that?

You can't compare a fictional fighter plane to one that exists unless the writers specifically make a comparison, which they have not. Plus, there is no known weight for the inertial dampeners and life support and hyperdrive and HFUIWERGHQ#sd

Do you really read what you type or does fantasy clog your vision?
the_dark_light
March 9th, 2007, 05:38 PM
Ok Gorg Captain, how exactly do you do that?

You can't compare a fictional fighter plane to one that exists unless the writers specifically make a comparison, which they have not. Plus, there is no known weight for the inertial dampeners and life support and hyperdrive and HFUIWERGHQ#sd

Good point. Still, I wonder what the HFUIWERGHQ#sd is


Do you really read what you type or does fantasy clog your vision?

Ouch