Taking A Break From All Your Worries (313)

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<FONT SIZE="1">EPISODE NUMBER - 313</FONT>
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As a prisoner on board the Galactica, Baltar considers the very real possibility that he is a Cylon. Kara and Lee reconsider their respective marriages.

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[Oreo]

Well that was a good episode. I was wondering what happened to Six. If they showed that scene at the end of the episode why not just add it? Dumb ci-fi Channel!

So did Baltar go "I know you are a Cylon?" to Geata? :lol:

[Trek_Girl42]

GREAT episode! Favourite moemnts have to tie between Baltar waving at the camera and Gaeta stabbing him in the neck.....gotta wonder what Baltar whispered to him as well. Though I don't doubt that Gaeta would have stabbed him anyway. :P

[Trek_Girl42]

Well that was a good episode. I was wondering what happened to Six. If they showed that scene at the end of the episode why not just add it? Dumb ci-fi Channel!

So did Baltar go "I know you are a Cylon?" to Geata? :lol:
What scene did they not show? :confused:

[kharn the betrayer]

Ignoring the Lee/Dee crap I realy enjoyed the Baltar/interogation scenes

expecially the part with Roslin and Baltar having a shouting contest on the way to the air lock and through the hall of the dead


and I wonder what Baltar told Gaeta to make him go off like that (my god I didnt know Gaeta had that in him :O _

[ToasterOnFire]

Quick thoughts:

What the hell is up with the title? :S

Die you stupid shippy quadrangle, DIE. Lee, you're such a waste of space.

Also, what's with Roslin laying down on a bunk with Adama sitting on the edge? I still don't think that ship has sailed, but my oh my RDM likes to tease. :D

[Oreo]

Ignoring the Lee/Dee crap I realy enjoyed the Baltar/interogation scenes

expecially the part with Roslin and Baltar having a shouting contest on the way to the air lock and through the hall of the dead


and I wonder what Baltar told Gaeta to make him go off like that (my god I didnt know Gaeta had that in him :O _

I love Roslin when she shows his cold hearted ***** attitude, they need that more. Baltar will hopefully be killed by the end of the season. :)

And of course Gaeta had it in him, he's a cylon! :)

And it's a love rectangle, what's up with all the stupid made up words?

[ShadowMaat]

The Baltar stuff was great, but FFS, enough with the angsty emo love crap! Airlock the whole bloody lot of them and lets get back to the REAL stories, please.

Interesting that Tyrol is also having marital problems. A tad disappointing, too. Isn't there ANY marriage that works?? What next, Helo and Sharon have problems? :rolleyes:

I'm beginning to worry that the producers are taking pages from Stargate's book and determining that relationships (aka "who's frakking who") are the only way to have character development. I know that's not true and given the rich history of BSG the producers know it's not true, so why the sudden obsession with relationships? Yeah, there's always been a bit of it before, but never to the point where it crowds out everything else.

Look at the Adama/Roslin thing. THAT doesn't get shoved down our throats (and up our sixes) every three minutes, so how come the Lee/Kara thing (and their associated dumbass partners in angst) does?

[Berg417448]

Quick thoughts:

What the hell is up with the title? :S


It is a reference to a verse in the CHEERs theme song. makes sense since much of this episode takes place in a bar.

[ShadowMaat]

So where're Cliff and Norm? :P That'd have been cool if they'd had lookalikes at the end of the bar. lol

[Chig]

Ya think maybe Baltar suggested to Geata that he was not only a traitor, but maybe that Gaeta is a Cylon sleeper agent?

I would not worry about not seeing the end of that quadrangle. There is something dooming about it all.

[unruhbrady]

UHHHHH!!!! Lee go get with kara already im sick of TPTB hanging that in front of us.

[Mav87]

Wow. I mean, wow.

This was, for me, the best episode of the season. James Callis deserves a lot of praise for that performance.

Baltar's hallucination sequence was pulled off perfectly, and it also made me realize something. Baltar isn't a heartless murderer, he's a victim. Slightly self-centered, but a victim nonetheless.

Grade A performances all around.

[Trek_Girl42]

Roslin losing it was awsome! I don't think we've ever seen her shout like that the whole series? Great stuff from Mary McDonell.

Agree with the whole love whatever-shape/angle-it-is thing, though in next ep's preview we see

Dee not looking so good- bound to be some angst. Though thankfully it seems to be Helo dealing with that.

Actually, why is there no episode next week? :mad:


I need my Battlestar!

[kharn the betrayer]

Interesting that Tyrol is also having marital problems. A tad disappointing, too. Isn't there ANY marriage that works?? What next, Helo and Sharon have problems?

I think Cheif is just having the occasional argument

not relationship is perfect and are bound to argue every once and a while >_>


now I do agree with you on the shove out the airlock part

[ShadowMaat]

Ya think maybe Baltar suggested to Geata that he was not only a traitor, but maybe that Gaeta is a Cylon sleeper agent?
If Baltar didn't see the Final Five, how could he know if Gaeta is a cylon?

Now, if Gaeta had a cylon lover and was using her (or him) as a means of getting info, that could be interesting. Although probably not very likely since I doubt he'd need to go that far to get the info.

[silence]

Didn't watch it yet, seems like good episode, only problems is all that Lee/Kara BS. How much of the airtime did it take?

[Berg417448]

Actually, why is there no episode next week? :mad:


I need my Battlestar!


Superbowl Sunday.

[Trek_Girl42]

Superbowl Sunday.
You're kidding..... :eek:


Can't they like.....pre-empt? ;)

[Chig]

If Baltar didn't see the Final Five, how could he know if Gaeta is a cylon?

Now, if Gaeta had a cylon lover and was using her (or him) as a means of getting info, that could be interesting. Although probably not very likely since I doubt he'd need to go that far to get the info.

I think he was pushing Gaeta's buttons. Even if he had seen the five projections in the temple, I am not willing to take the leap that the five projections are Cylon. Again, they could be anything... even something entirely different than we are being lead to believe by a couple of Cylon characters.

[BubblingOverWithIdeas]

For anyone wondering about the full bonus scene, here's a breakdown:
After the part seen at the end of the episode, Caprica gives Roslin her name, Roslin notes Caprica's continued feelings for Baltar, they talk a bit about the justice system, and Caprica says that if Gaius is given a trial, she will be the chief witness.

[katie_9918]

Hopefully, that's the last we'll see of the Quad of Doom for the rest of the season.

And Roslin and Adama back on speaking terms? AND Bill regained at least two of his balls tonight? Be still, my Adama-loving heart!

Once again felt bad for Dee without being all sarcastic and ironic about it.

And exactly what the hell are we supposed to do next Sunday night?

Best part about tonight: Not a sign of any Agathons at all. WooT!

[Trek_Girl42]

I think he was pushing Gaeta's buttons. Even if he had seen the five projections in the temple, I am not willing to take the leap that the five projections are Cylon. Again, they could be anything... even something entirely different than we are being lead to believe by a couple of Cylon characters.
They could even be a some sort of back up program set to go off if a cylon got too close to the truth- in essence, a curtain covering a window.


For anyone wondering about the full bonus scene, here's a breakdown:
After the part seen at the end of the episode, Caprica gives Roslin her name, Roslin notes Caprica's continued feelings for Baltar, they talk a bit about the justice system, and Caprica says that if Gaius is given a trial, she will be the chief witness.
THAT would have been an interesting scene. Is this on the sci-fi site?

I can't wait for this trial story to get going, especially once we're introduced to

Mark Sheppard's character. :D

[daniel9]

so whats six's name?

[Chig]

They could even be a some sort of back up program set to go off if a cylon got too close to the truth- in essence, a curtain covering a window.


THAT would have been an interesting scene. Is this on the sci-fi site?

I can't wait for this trial story to get going, especially once we're introduced to

Mark Sheppard's character. :D

I was thinking the white robed figures are similar to the ship of lights dudes from the original. There are parallels between the storylines, although thankfully the new version is what it is.

[kharn the betrayer]

THAT would have been an interesting scene. Is this on the sci-fi site?

I can't wait for this trial story to get going, especially once we're introduced to

what do you mean that WOULD have been? it WAS an interesting scene

it was the scene right before the end credits <_<

Caprica talks to roslin and says she will coperate if she isnt airlocked

[Toaster Roaster]

What is this "As Galctica Turns?" Battle Star Galactica is quickly turning into a soap opera in space. It been like that ever since they landed on new Caprica. All we get is the Lee/Dee/Anders/Trace love square, and an interagation of Baltar. What with the cheers vibe? I thought Galactica already had its resident drunk. At least last time there was an episode in a bar some terrorist took over.

How long has it been since we seen a viper and raider dogfight. Where are the Basestar shooting nukes at? Where is the strugle to find the next critical resource. Heck where is the rest of the fleet. Where is the science fiction and action?

On a lighter note I don't feel a bit sorry for Dee. She had a great, nice, sweet guy in Billy. But no he wasn't manly, edgey, cool, built, adventurious, or lee enough for her. So she leaves him on some nice guy bs. At didn't even leave him in a nice way. He later dies trying to save heR only so she could marry lee akA Mr. Jerk. So he can cheat on her and spend all night drinking in the bar with Chief. Say what you want about Billy but I beleive he would have at least been faithful and sober.

[Trek_Girl42]

I was thinking the white robed figures are similar to the ship of lights dudes from the original. There are parallels between the storylines, although thankfully the new version is what it is.
Can't remember most of the original (not even sure if I've seen it all), but I love that we're being teased by this without having too much revealed at the moment. If it is a call-back to TOS, it's a good one.


I also like that Chief and Cally's marriage seems pretty normal- they have their issues, they argue, but we don't see all the drama. I thought that was presented well tonight as well. :)

[Toaster Roaster]

so what was the scene they left out? any descriptions?

Roslin talks to Caprica Six in her cell, and says that she knows Baltar wasn't involved in the attack, but nothing past that. Six doesn't believe Roslin won't airlock her, since she lied to Leoben way back when.

[Trek_Girl42]

what do you mean that WOULD have been? it WAS an interesting scene

it was the scene right before the end credits <_<

Caprica talks to roslin and says she will coperate if she isnt airlocked
Huh? The ep ended on Roslin and Adama in his quarters- there was no scene between Roslin and Six. :confused:

[ShadowMaat]

Say what you want about Billy but I beleive he would have at least been faithful and sober.
Are you sure? Because once upon a time I would have said the same thing about Dee. :rolleyes: Maybe Billy's lucky he's dead and can't be turned into a festering pustule like the others. :P

[ShadowMaat]

Huh? The ep ended on Roslin and Adama in his quarters- there was no scene between Roslin and Six. :confused:

And there were at least half a dozen commercials saying "stay tuned after the ep is over for an exclusive cut scene." And when the snippet aired, they said "Go online to see the full scene."

[Chig]

Can't remember most of the original (not even sure if I've seen it all), but I love that we're being teased by this without having too much revealed at the moment. If it is a call-back to TOS, it's a good one.


I also like that Chief and Cally's marriage seems pretty normal- they have their issues, they argue, but we don't see all the drama. I thought that was presented well tonight as well. :)

The ship of lights dudes were some really advanced race that had awesome powers, even to ressurect the dead. If memory serves Richard Hatch's Apollo died, and Starbuck and Sheba said they would sacrifice their lives in his place. For this they brought Apollo back to life and help point Galactica toward Earth.
It was cheezy. But TOS was that way.

[kharn the betrayer]

Huh? The ep ended on Roslin and Adama in his quarters- there was no scene between Roslin and Six. :confused:

there was about 2 dozen commericals sayins ''stay tuned at the end of the episode for a bonus scene''

and that sene played right before scifi aired the end credits for galactica

[Trek_Girl42]

And there were at least half a dozen commercials saying "stay tuned after the ep is over for an exclusive cut scene." And when the snippet aired, they said "Go online to see the full scene."
Frak! Our airing didn't get that! :eek:




And.....looks like the clip doesn't work on the sci-fi site.....though the advertisement does. Typical. :rolleyes:

[Chig]

Frak! Our airing didn't get that! :eek:




And.....looks like the clip doesn't work on the sci-fi site.....though the advertisement does. Typical. :rolleyes:

Go to Scifi.com. You will see more than what aired. It may take a little time for the traffic to die down and for it to work correctly

[Trek_Girl42]

The ship of lights dudes were some really advanced race that had awesome powers, even to ressurect the dead. If memory serves Richard Hatch's Apollo died, and Starbuck and Sheba said they would sacrifice their lives in his place. For this they brought Apollo back to life and help point Galactica toward Earth.
It was cheezy. But TOS was that way.
LOL.....definitly didn't see that ep. :P

[Berg417448]

Frak! Our airing didn't get that! :eek:




And.....looks like the clip doesn't work on the sci-fi site.....though the advertisement does. Typical. :rolleyes:

Try this:

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/code/video.html

[Toaster Roaster]

Frak! Our airing didn't get that! :eek:




And.....looks like the clip doesn't work on the sci-fi site.....though the advertisement does. Typical. :rolleyes:

Its only shown in the united states. I have no idea why though...

[Trek_Girl42]

Go to Scifi.com. You will see more than what aired
Didn't work. They've either blocked international viewers (though we do get to watch the Ghost Rider preview before watching nothing :S), or they're having technical problems. :S

[ShadowMaat]

Its only shown in the united states. I have no idea why though...

Because networks are getting greedy and proprietary. Folks outside the US can't see our online webisodes, outtakes and whatnot... and we can't see theirs. *grumble*

[kharn the betrayer]

do you use Firefox? because I go the full scene to load using that but not with IE

[Trek_Girl42]

Because networks are getting greedy and proprietary. Folks outside the US can't see our online webisodes, outtakes and whatnot... and we can't see theirs. *grumble*
Hah.....what do people outside the US ever get..... :rolleyes:

[Chig]

Didn't work. They've either blocked international viewers (though we do get to watch the Ghost Rider preview before watching nothing :S), or they're having technical problems. :S

Bummer. Maybe it will show up on Youtube or something in the next couple days. Earlier in this thread is a good description of what the scene was. Basically 6 said she would be the chief witness if Baltar was given a trial. She also told Rosalin that maybe all that civil stuff like trials have been frogotten by madam president.

[daniel9]

can someone up the scene as a avi or something?

For anyone wondering about the full bonus scene, here's a breakdown:
After the part seen at the end of the episode, Caprica gives Roslin her name, Roslin notes Caprica's continued feelings for Baltar, they talk a bit about the justice system, and Caprica says that if Gaius is given a trial, she will be the chief witness.

and what is caprica six's name???

[Berg417448]

c


and what is caprica six's name???

Caprica. you have to remember that Roslyn had no idea.

[chris777]

They really needed the crowd at joes, to yell "NORM"
and the square scenes might have been tolerable.

[Chig]

About the doomed quadrangle..... this is building up to something. I don't mind it so much considering...

RDM has something huge in store for Kara in a little over a month. I get depressed and intrigued thinking about it.

Good to see James Callis getting to stretch his acting muscles. He sure does spend alot of these episodes on the verge of tears though.

[Oreo]

People don't listen...

And why would they want her on the stand? She is a liar, like all Cylons, and can' be trusted.

[Vash]

I liked the episodes but it felt too much like a SOAP. Also Caprica said she will tell them anything if they allow her to be Cheif witness.

[Gate gal]

It is a reference to a verse in the CHEERs theme song. makes sense since much of this episode takes place in a bar.
I totally should have caught that reference! I loved that show!

This episode was 1/2 of a fabulous episode and 1/2 'wish I could hit the ff button.' I loved, loved, loved every moment of the interrogation. Roslin rocked tonight! I mean she always rocks, but tonight was incredible. I loved the yelling match. Something is definitely going on between Roslin and Adama. (I'm all for it!)

On the negative side, it doesn't look like the quadrangle is settled yet. I really, really am beginning to dislike everyone involved in that plot line. Make it stop, please!

[unruhbrady]

The video will be on Youtube in 15 minutes i will post a link when it's up

[dec55]

Best part about tonight: Not a sign of any Agathons at all. WooT!

ARGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!! I was sooo looking foward to getting my Sharon fix!!!

The Agathons was one of the bright spots on this show for me......hopefully we
get to see them in the next one!!!

[unruhbrady]

Youtube is taking it's sweet sweet time

[tsaxlady]

Not a fan of Soap Operas which is what BSG is turning into for me. Glad next week is football. Not sure if I will be watching in two weeks.

[unruhbrady]

LINK to EXTRA SCENE ON YOUTUBE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhNX8r1kpjA)

[silence]

whole episode was totally ruined with all that "quad damage" crap.
i had a feeling that chief's problems only exist so he can talk about them with Lee ... blah, that stupid 4-way emo crap is spreading ...

i can't believe i am saying this ... but i am happy there will be a break, at least i won't have to endure more of that ...
i can't honestly say i liked this episode cause of it ... no matter what kind of arc RDM has in his mind, this is BEYOND annoying.

[Trek_Girl42]

LINK to EXTRA SCENE ON YOUTUBE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhNX8r1kpjA)
Thank you very much! :D That would have been a great addition to the episode.....though perhaps there's an alternative scene that accomplishes the same thing in a later episode.

[daniel9]

thanks for that download. hm i wonderwhy they just didnt include that in the ep. trying to get hits on scifi.com i bet

[pizzadude]

Best part about tonight: Not a sign of any Agathons at all. WooT!

Didn't even notice them gone.

[Skydiver]

there is no eps next week becaue of the super bowl and everyone else is so afraid that the stupid football game will 'win' that they won't even try to put something else on for those of us that don't like sports to watch.

I'll jsut stick a tape or dvd in and to heck with them :)

[Skydiver]

just a mod reminder, y'all can put up/link to that extra scene, but linking to/discussing downloading the actual episode is a no-no.

[Lokii]

That Baltar part of the episode was great, but the rest was dreadful. The whole Lee/Dee/Starbuck/Anders issue is too damn soap operish for me. They could have cut out most of that and had the same result.

I for one would like to know how Hera is? That would have been a better way to spend some screen time. Or How about Caprica Six? How about the Cylon reaction to Caprica Six leaving and the whole issue with Athena taking Hera back? They could have also shown how the cylons are dealing with the boxing of #3.

Less action/sci fi and more soap opera issues = falling ratings.

[huntress]

I for one would like to know how Hera is?

I think we will find out in the next episode in two weeks which, I think will deal with the Civilians. I think it is the next episode. It will also be Helo-centric

[KatG]

LINK to EXTRA SCENE ON YOUTUBE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhNX8r1kpjA)

Nope. Didn't get all that. Just the first 30 seconds at the end of the show last night. Too bad they didn't include it as apparently they did have time. :rolleyes: In fact they could have cut out some of the "love quadrangle" if necessary.

I do hope this puts an end to it. I think Lee did the honorable thing, I just hope that he sticks with it and quits pining for Kara. And Anders, geez. What a nice guy. Kara doesn't deserve him, not at all. Maybe, now she'll appreciate what she's got.

Loved the other story going on though. Roslin and Adama were fantastic in the interrogation of Baltar. And Gaius is truly a tortured soul. Kudos to all three actors for a stellar performance.

And I loved the little scene with Roslin/Adama with her lying down and him sitting next to her. Such a nice, soft, easy ship. Nothing in your face, it's just there.

Hoping that in two weeks, the quadrangle is completely over and we can get back to Battlestar Galactica.

[dec55]

result.

I for one would like to know how Hera is? That would have been a better way to spend some screen time. Or How about Caprica Six? How about the Cylon reaction to Caprica Six leaving and the whole issue with Athena taking Hera back? They could have also shown how the cylons are dealing with the boxing of #3.

.
Was thinking the same thing.....agreed.

[sci-fi fanatic]

I was actually relieved that they didn't spend more time on the romantic quad story after seeing last week's preview. Amazingly, that ad ignored the Baltar interrogation, which was the main storyline of the episode. Actually, it's not surprising, as the romantic side would probably draw ratings I guess.

As far as the bonus scene, it might be designed to draw hits to scifi.com. But I think the main reason is to entice viewers to watch the show live instead of on TIVO or another DVR. They placed the clip from the scene at 10:00 CST, which means viewers who set their DVR for an hour would miss it. I was watching it at the time and would have programmed an extra few minutes to be safe, but not all viewers probably did this.

This is similar to the "exclusive online content" they've offered on Friday nights for live viewers that was not accessible for people catching up with it later on DVR. Just a thought.

Overall, the episode was solid, probably a B or B+, largely due to the Baltar interrogation and great work from Callis, Olmos, and McDonnell. The actors in the quad storyline were fine, but it just feels like they're dragging it out too much. Either split them up for good and stop showing it, or bring Starbuck and Adama together, please?

Cheers!

Dan

[silence]

Was thinking the same thing.....agreed.

i think everyone agrees about that ... it was overboard this episode and still isn't over ...

argh .... why, why, oh why? there are so many interesting stories to follow and we get this garbage ...

[Trek_Girl42]

Anyone else notice how amazing the music in this episode was? (especially during the switch between Baltar's interrogation and Lee/Dee/Kara/Anders). And actually, throughout the entire episode.


Also must say that the performances between the love-shape-thing were good enough that it wasn't as unbearable this week (I thought Kandyse McClure especially did a good job with the material she was given).

[Temp2]

Minor question... I've (still) only been able to see the first half of Rapture... does Baltar have any idea that Caprica is on Galactica? If not, and if she testifies at his trial, Baltar will be in for a shocker.

Also, I thoroughly despise the love quad, but I don't think it's going to disappear yet. I mean, this big build-up, and then everything suddenly goes back to "normal?" :rolleyes:

[titans]

To: Ron Moore
CC: David Eick

Subject: Episode 312 (Taking a break from all your worries)

http://www.dprophet.com/megsmegs/yuck.jpg

Sincerely
Titans

[Skydiver]

Minor question... I've (still) only been able to see the first half of Rapture... does Baltar have any idea that Caprica is on Galactica? If not, and if she testifies at his trial, Baltar will be in for a shocker.



nope. he was unconscious at the time and should have no idea that six is there

[Hypressure]

I think the best part was finding out one of the final five, but I noticed nobody talked about it yet. Should I not discuss?

If anything, we found out that the Galactica has the ultimate Cylon detector, but they're not using it. Chief Tyrol.

[Skydiver]

.

As far as the bonus scene, it might be designed to draw hits to scifi.com. But I think the main reason is to entice viewers to watch the show live instead of on TIVO or another DVR. They placed the clip from the scene at 10:00 CST, which means viewers who set their DVR for an hour would miss it. I was watching it at the time and would have programmed an extra few minutes to be safe, but not all viewers probably did this.

This is similar to the "exclusive online content" they've offered on Friday nights for live viewers that was not accessible for people catching up with it later on DVR. Just a thought.

Dan

yes, they are so desperate for ratings that they'll 'bribe' people to watch. not only the things at the end - which serves the dual purpose of hopefully getting you to hang on long enough to watch dresden files, but with their 'exclusive content'

the next thing i'm expecting is cross promotion with heroes on nbc, exclusive previews in dresden files and possible the ECW

[Hypressure]

there is no eps next week becaue of the super bowl and everyone else is so afraid that the stupid football game will 'win' that they won't even try to put something else on for those of us that don't like sports to watch.


It's not a stupid football game, it's the Super Bowl. Sorry Mod. A lot of us DO like to watch sports.

[ShadowMaat]

I thought I saw Tyrol, but I'm probably wrong. ;)

[Trek_Girl42]

I think the best part was finding out one of the final five, but I noticed nobody talked about it yet. Should I not discuss?

If anything, we found out that the Galactica has the ultimate Cylon detector, but they're not using it. Chief Tyrol.
Huh????? We didn't find out about any of the final five.....or a cylon detector..... :confused:

[Skydiver]

It's not a stupid football game, it's the Super Bowl. Sorry Mod. A lot of us DO like to watch sports.
some of you may. But i don't. And it'd be cool, if the other networks even TRIED to accomodate those of us that don't buy into the overpaid, hyped up mess that is professional sports.

Air the sports, that's fine, but it's no fun that the other networks just cop out and stick on re-runs. It's like they want to force you to watch the sports.

i guess things could be worse. moving bsg to sun could have meant that it'd be perpetually delayed by sports over run. That's one way to kill a show for sure.. Preempt it on a weekly basis.

[StayingOccupied]

With the Lee/Starbuck thing aside, this episode kicked ass. I loved the baltar interrigation. I love how Gaeta blew up on him after what he said to him. I cant wait for the next couple episodes.

[ShadowMaat]

i guess things could be worse. moving bsg to sun could have meant that it'd be perpetually delayed by sports over run. That's one way to kill a show for sure.. Preempt it on a weekly basis.
I think that was one of the things that killed Space: Above & Beyond. That and it got shuffled around a lot, anyway. But as I recall even the premiere of the series was delayed because of a damn football game. And since I'd set my VCR it meant I missed the last 20 minutes of the pilot ep. MASSIVELY frustrating.

So yes, there are worse things than being preempted in advance. ;)

[StayingOccupied]

some of you may. But i don't. And it'd be cool, if the other networks even TRIED to accomodate those of us that don't buy into the overpaid, hyped up mess that is professional sports.

Air the sports, that's fine, but it's no fun that the other networks just cop out and stick on re-runs. It's like they want to force you to watch the sports.

i guess things could be worse. moving bsg to sun could have meant that it'd be perpetually delayed by sports over run. That's one way to kill a show for sure.. Preempt it on a weekly basis.

It is 1 game that over 95 million people watch in the states. No TV shows will have good ratings going against that, so the stations dont air. ONCE a year.

[lunarleviathan]

Great episode. I always enjoy the Baltar stuff.

Best moment was when he hung himself and thought he had downloaded into a new Cylon body, then the Sixes start to scratch him and he says something like, "That's a little rough actually.", classic. :D

[titans]

the stupid football game

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!

http://www.greatatlantictravel.com/nfl/superbowl_07/logo.gif

You insult the holiest of holy days!!!

[daniel9]

lol i wonder if adama and rosslin now think gaeta might be a cylon considering this recent actions?

[meredithchandler73]

My thoughts, in no particular order:

--Directed by Edward James Olmos. YOU GO, DUDE!!!
--Nice little fake-out download at the beginning. Come on - Baltar isn't going to be a cylon! It would let him off the hook for his part in the near extinction of the human race!
--The shouting match between Roslin and Baltar was *great*. I gotta say, I thought Roslin would never get around to accusing Baltar of taking part in the attack on the colonies. I was sorry we didn't get any Caprica Six in the episode, though I did see the little teaser after the episode. (Caprica TOTALLY called Roslin on her promise not to put her out the airlock. Sweet!)
--I found out the episode title after I had watched the episode. Neat little nod to Cheers in an episode where half the scenes are in a bar.
--I think there was one post that said, "it's a love rectangle - what's up with the made up words". Actually, quadrangle is a real word. It's a plane figure having four angles and therefore four sides. The distinction being that a rectangle is a four-sided plane figure with four right angles. And personally, I feel that the relationships between the four parties are anything but equal (or right), so the less specific word - quadrangle - seems more appropriate to me. And I just like describing it as a quadrangle. :) But to reiterate what at least one other person has posted as well - this quadrangle needs to DIE!
--One more thought about the quadrangle - even though I really want it to end, I was glad it wasn't going to be as simple as Sam and Dee letting their spouses go. But can it end? Soon? PLEASE?!?!
--What is up with Tyrol and Callie?!?! I don't think we've ever seen them fighting or disagreeing. Was that just to show that someone other than the FRAKKED-UP-FOUR are having relationship issues? To give Lee someone to commiserate with since he can't have any kind of "normal" conversation with Dee, Kara or Sam? Perhaps I should give the writers the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps we shall find out there is more to Tyrol than we know and the whole Eye of Jupiter incident was the catalyst. And it has caused some kind of rift in Tyrol's marriage. Maybe. I'm gonna be pulling for that possibility.
--My hopes for the next episode - Caprica scenes. (As someone else pointed out - does Baltar even know she is on board as well? Won't that be an interesting surprise when they are finally face to face.) To know what Baltar said to Gaeta to make him stab him. And the fate of Hera. Is the baby healthy now? Will the news about the half-cylon child leak?

[Berg417448]

[ To know what Baltar said to Gaeta to make him stab him. And the fate of [/QUOTE]


In the podcast RDM mentions that there were discussions about a subplot which involved Baltar being guilty of direct involvement in an incident on New Caprica in which Saggitarons were killed. RDM said that Baltar tells Gaeta, that he will implicate him in that incident (Baltar whispers this threat in Gaeta's ear) and that this is what makes Gaeta decide to attack Baltar.

[Trek_Girl42]

In the podcast RDM mentions that there were discussions about a subplot which involved Baltar being guilty of direct involvement in an incident on New Caprica in which Saggitarons were killed. RDM said that Baltar tells Gaeta, that he will implicate him in that incident (Baltar whispers this threat in Gaeta's ear) and that this is what makes Gaeta decide to attack Baltar.
How frakkin evil of Baltar.....He just gets more and more desperate if he plans on implicating an (so far apparently) innocent person. Go Gaeta!

[SoulReaver]

Die you stupid shippy quadrangle, DIE. Lee, you're such a waste of space. IMO it's Starbuck who's screwing up the storyline - as usual, when she's on board galactica. her incongruous presence doesn't belong on that ship (only messes things up, storywise. at best it adds nothing of substance), she belongs in a raptor dogfighting the raiders. there at least she's of some use, both to the human race & to the show. her usefulness is as a pilot, not a full-blown "crewmember"
so let the writers either put her back out there in space, otherwise just have her spaced out :|

[Skydiver]

i agree. the quadrangle needs to die. a quick death. If iwere dee, i'd be kicking lee out on his tushie - cute tushie that it is. Heck, even if you ignore hte mental cheating, he was ready willing and able to shag starbuck...or was it the other wy around? she wouldn't divorce the man that she doesn't care about, one way or the other.

i think the only good thing that could come out of this mess is the speculation that anders is a toaster. that would frak with kara's head so much

[SoulReaver]

bah I'm with Lee on this one

(Dee's the real heartbreaker - remember poor ole Billy? well now she has some idea how he felt. good job Lee -)

[Trek_Girl42]

i think the only good thing that could come out of this mess is the speculation that anders is a toaster. that would frak with kara's head so much

Looove that so much. Especially if it's a revelation that happens before Kara supposedly

dies in Maelstrom. That would make one remarkable send-off for her character.

[keshou]

[In the podcast RDM mentions that there were discussions about a subplot which involved Baltar being guilty of direct involvement in an incident on New Caprica in which Saggitarons were killed. RDM said that Baltar tells Gaeta, that he will implicate him in that incident (Baltar whispers this threat in Gaeta's ear) and that this is what makes Gaeta decide to attack Baltar.
Thanks for this! I was wondering what Baltar was using to push Gaeta's buttons.

Interesting episode when it was focused on the Baltar storyline. (The rest of it - less said the better)

Roslin had some meaty stuff and James Callas did his usual excellent job. Some unusual setups for scenes so it looks like EJO really had fun directing this one.

I wish they'd kept the full "extra" scene with Caprica Six in the actual episode - I was wondering about her the whole episode.

I love the way they slide in a Roslin/Adama moment at the end. If only the other shippy stuff could be as subtle. I'm not sure I've ever been as disgusted with a storyline on a show as I am with this quadrangle mess. Egads, who would want Lee at this point anyway? Or Kara. Or Dee. I'll still take Anders - for now. ;)

The trial should be interesting in the next episode.

[daniel9]

the actual trial isnt til the end of the season in the 3 part finale

[Oreo]

some of you may. But i don't. And it'd be cool, if the other networks even TRIED to accomodate those of us that don't buy into the overpaid, hyped up mess that is professional sports.

Air the sports, that's fine, but it's no fun that the other networks just cop out and stick on re-runs. It's like they want to force you to watch the sports.

i guess things could be worse. moving bsg to sun could have meant that it'd be perpetually delayed by sports over run. That's one way to kill a show for sure.. Preempt it on a weekly basis.


EVERY major channel in the USA will be showing reruns. if you don't like it rent a movie.

[the fifth man]

I really enjoyed last night's episode. I love where this show is taking Baltar. He has been everywhere, both physically and emotionally, since this show began.

[daredevil]

I was really worried about this episode BUT EJO pulled it off nicely.


on another note, I think the thing that set off Gaeta was that

Baltar told him he would tell everyone that he had a homo-erotic relationship with the Simon model


lol

[Legionnaire]

I along with many other people also really enjoyed the episode. Baltar has always been and even more so recently is one of my favorite characters, and I think the writers give him the absolute best material. You gotta love and hate him at the same time, and it takes excellent writing to make that happen.

As far as the Lee/Dee/Kara/Anders stuff.....I'm not as upset about that storyline as many others seem to be. I mean, sure its not exciting like space battles or things along those lines, but BSG isn't an "action show" it is a drama, which happens to have plenty of action. The drama displayed in the love square thing is a part of being a "drama" show, it's a human element where people have mixed feelings for eachother, have trouble understanding their emotions or what to do because they are torn in multiple ways. It's a part of real life, and therefor it is a part of BSG because BSG is simply humanity, with all its flaws and emotions, in space. Sure, I wouldn't mind seeing some space action soon, but I understand that the show is more than just that, so I go along with it.

Also, you gotta understand that the space battle scenes and all cost a lot of money in terms of special effects and BSG is on a pretty tight budget, but I bet you can be sure that the lack of big battles recently means they are saving up for some spectacular special effects scenes later on down the line, which will definitely be worth it, ala the "Adama Manuever" and excellent battles.

[apotheion]

Just a thought, maybe the little girl that pushed him under might be one of the real final five? There was a lot of focus on her that seemed a little out of place.

I'm probably off, though. Was just a thought.

[Trek_Girl42]

Just a thought, maybe the little girl that pushed him under might be one of the real final five? There was a lot of focus on her that seemed a little out of place.

I'm probably off, though. Was just a thought.
According to the podcast, I believe RDM mentioned that the little girl pushing Baltar under the water was an idea of EJO's. So it's doubtful that she has anything to do with the final five. :)

[Lightbane]

First i gotta say why would you put sports on a Science Fiction network??? even though it IS a big thing why do it?? a re-run that people probably would watch like a good episode of BSG from S1 or S2 would have served a way better purpose then stinking football.

Secondly that was an absoultetly awesome episode and the love square REALLY REALLY needs to DIE FAST

[ShadowMaat]

I mean, sure its not exciting like space battles or things along those lines, but BSG isn't an "action show" it is a drama, which happens to have plenty of action.
*snip*
Also, you gotta understand that the space battle scenes and all cost a lot of money in terms of special effects and BSG is on a pretty tight budget...

I'll try not to be insulted by the implication that anyone who dislikes the love quadrangle must want space battles instead, but you play that belief so heavily it'll be hard. :rolleyes:

I love the drama of BSG. I must or I wouldn't still be watching it, would I? I also love MANY of the DIFFERENT aspects of the show and how they all come together in an effective and well-rounded story. I like the quieter moments, I like the pauses for reflections, I even like some of the romantic relationships. Just because I don't like ONE aspect of the show doesn't mean that I want "space battles" instead. I'd happily settle for good storytelling and background building/expansion on the other characters. I thought the non-explosion, non-battle scenes with Baltar were terrific... but watching four characters angst and mope and get drunk and act like *******s is not my idea of entertainment. Not on BSG, anyway, where I hold the show to higher standards of storytelling than your average soap opera.

Yes, I understand that love can be messy and that it's a "realistic" depiction of the kinds of things that can happen... but that still doesn't mean I have to like it and I still don't have to want to watch it.

"Space battles" are NOT the reason I watch the show; I watch it because the writers usually know how to tell a good story.

[P-90_177]

I have a question. why did galactica have that drug on boared? adama said it was experimental.........................if it was experimental then that begs the question as to what galactica was doing with it? was one of their last missions involved the stuff.....an interesting thought there.

[Vyse]

there is no eps next week becaue of the super bowl and everyone else is so afraid that the stupid football game will 'win' that they won't even try to put something else on for those of us that don't like sports to watch.

I'll jsut stick a tape or dvd in and to heck with them :)

HBO's terrific series "Rome" is having a new episode sunday night at 9 PM, so there is one show worth watching! :D

[Temp2]

First i gotta say why would you put sports on a Science Fiction network??? even though it IS a big thing why do it?? a re-run that people probably would watch like a good episode of BSG from S1 or S2 would have served a way better purpose then stinking football.

Secondly that was an absoultetly awesome episode and the love square REALLY REALLY needs to DIE FAST

...? Sorry if I'm misinterpreting what you're saying, but Skiffy isn't airing the Super Bowl- they're airing a Ghost Hunters marathon, and then the first two episodes of The Dresden files, followed by Rapture and TABFAYW.


That said, Scifi, DOES show ECW, if you can call that a sport.

[Legionnaire]

I'll try not to be insulted by the implication that anyone who dislikes the love quadrangle must want space battles instead, but you play that belief so heavily it'll be hard. :rolleyes:

I love the drama of BSG. I must or I wouldn't still be watching it, would I? I also love MANY of the DIFFERENT aspects of the show and how they all come together in an effective and well-rounded story. I like the quieter moments, I like the pauses for reflections, I even like some of the romantic relationships. Just because I don't like ONE aspect of the show doesn't mean that I want "space battles" instead. I'd happily settle for good storytelling and background building/expansion on the other characters. I thought the non-explosion, non-battle scenes with Baltar were terrific... but watching four characters angst and mope and get drunk and act like *******s is not my idea of entertainment. Not on BSG, anyway, where I hold the show to higher standards of storytelling than your average soap opera.

Yes, I understand that love can be messy and that it's a "realistic" depiction of the kinds of things that can happen... but that still doesn't mean I have to like it and I still don't have to want to watch it.

"Space battles" are NOT the reason I watch the show; I watch it because the writers usually know how to tell a good story.

I realize not everyone would rather have space battles than the love square thing, I suppose I was just using space battles as an alternative example to what could be done, as someone previously posted that there had been no space battles in a long time and they were tired of the soap or something along those lines. My mistake for generalizing ;)

My point still stands though once you replace space battles with what you'd rather be watching, in that there may be parts of the show that some people dont enjoy, but usually the parts are neccessary, and I feel this love square was a neccessary story to be told, but personally I also wish for it to end soon, I just dont *hate* it like so many others here :)

[Exiled Master]

If another person is dragged into this love quadrangle and/or one of the four of them is a Cylon, then the show will have crossed the line for drama into the world of soap opera. Such instances of WTF insanity should be taken in controlled doses.

[sci-fi fanatic]

Hey. Here's an interesting thing about Gaeta's attack on Baltar: This action was mentioned in an Entertainment Weekly review of the show back in October. They don't mention Gaeta specifically, but did mention that a character stabbed Baltar in the neck.

I'm surprised that this scene was filmed and completed early enough to make it into the fall EW review. It could be possible that the scene was sent to them apart from the entire episode.

Any thoughts?

Dan

[ShadowMaat]

Maybe characters will routinely stab him in the neck. It could be a running joke. "OMG! You stabbed Baltar in the neck! You frakker!" :P

[Temp2]

I just wish that Gaeta would've hit a jugular.

...say. Maybe, instead of not quite throwing him out of airlocks, giving him halucenogenic drugs, or stabbing him in the neck, they should just have Cottle castrate Baltar. It would keep him out of at least half the trouble he normally gets into. ;)

[ata_beckett]

I have to agree with what someone said earlier in this thread--

The music in this episode was absolutely outstanding. I think it was the first few minutes that got me-- with Baltar and Six singing.

Gods, I can't wait until the Season 3 soundtrack is out.

[daniel9]

Just a thought, maybe the little girl that pushed him under might be one of the real final five? There was a lot of focus on her that seemed a little out of place.

I'm probably off, though. Was just a thought.

lol well u never know it was funny how that the girl decided to drown baltar when he started to give them 2much information and adama did say the drug makes the person think they are dieing. so what that girl did would be impossible. which i guess makes me think the little girl was head six taking on the form on the little girl

[0ldman]

I just wish that Gaeta would've hit a jugular.

...say. Maybe, instead of not quite throwing him out of airlocks, giving him halucenogenic drugs, or stabbing him in the neck, they should just have Cottle castrate Baltar. It would keep him out of at least half the trouble he normally gets into. ;)

Heh, I was thinking that one of the best things Baltar could have done was get one of his entourage pregnant to add numbers to the human race. Might want to leave his naughty bits intact, if for only the utter shortage of humans...

[apollo123]

Baltar isn't a heartless murderer, he's a victim. Slightly self-centered, but a victim nonetheless.

I agree he's not a heartless murderer, but he's far from just "slightly self-centered". All he cares about is saving his own ass. Remember the civilian ship carrying the doctor who knew that he was a traitor? How he tried to convince Roslyn that the ship had been compromised and how happy he was that they destroyed the ship and everyone on it so that no one would find out his dirty little secret? I think that counts as a little more than "slightly self-centered".

[Scoobing]

True, but the ship was empty (or so we think based on Apollo not seeing any passengers through the windows) and was on a collision course with the fleet. So by trying to save his own ass, Baltar actually ended up doing a favour. Just like when he pointed to the right place for the mining facility in The Hand Of God episode, and I'm sure there are other times.

With regards to this episode, I really enjoyed it, the second half seems to be going well. Enjoyed seeing the very dark side of Roslin (even if it was only a bluff), well acted though by both McDonnell and Callis. Could have done without all the emo-love angst but I won't go on about it as its been mentioned alot already! :)

[keshou]

HBO's terrific series "Rome" is having a new episode sunday night at 9 PM, so there is one show worth watching! :D
I'm watching Rome but haven't been quite as impressed with this second season as I was the first. Still entertaining, though. :)

Sunday night is quite the angsty viewing night right now. The Roman soap opera followed by the BSG soap opera. Well, okay, I'm stretching things a bit - I really don't think BSG is a soap opera they've just picked up a few tricks from the soaps and run with them. ;) :)

But good to see that the ratings picked up for this second episode. I still love the show and really want to see the full story arc play out. If the ratings pick up that bodes well for a 4th season. :)

And, responding to one of the comments up above. I don't have a problem with episodes without explosions, major story elements, etc. Heck I've liked plenty of the character-driven episodes dealing with politics, the aftermath of New Caprica, etc.

I certainly don't mind the characters having flaws, layers, screwing up, etc. It's what makes BSG different and dark and complex.

I just think the quadrangle seems manufactured solely to keep Lee and Kara apart and it feels contrived and is sprinkled with signature moments all the soaps use. The characters exchange angsty looks whenever they're in the same room but never really talk to one another in a meaningful way. It looks like they might reconcile and then one of the characters acts stupid - not once, but over and over, serving to keep the couple apart.

I trust Ron Moore to pull it all together by the end of the season, but right now the Lee/Dee/Kara/Anders foursome has been stretched out *way* too long for my tastes.

[Chig]

I agree he's not a heartless murderer, but he's far from just "slightly self-centered". All he cares about is saving his own ass. Remember the civilian ship carrying the doctor who knew that he was a traitor? How he tried to convince Roslyn that the ship had been compromised and how happy he was that they destroyed the ship and everyone on it so that no one would find out his dirty little secret? I think that counts as a little more than "slightly self-centered".

Baltar gave a nuke to a Cylon who destroyed a ship with children on it. Baltar deserves all that he is getting from both Cylon and Humans. They knew the nuke came from his lab. I hope they have enough on Baltar now to put 2 and 2 together him away just for that.

[ShadowMaat]

I just think the quadrangle seems manufactured solely to keep Lee and Kara apart and it feels contrived and is sprinkled with signature moments all the soaps use.
Yes! Exactly! It feels incredibly fake. I've never understood Lee/Dee and it felt like a painfully obvious attempt to keep Lee and Kara apart... which is exactly what it was. The pairing was incredibly random. It would be like having SG-1's Walter hooking up with Nirrti; it's beyond left field. There was never ANY indication that EITHER of them had any feelings for each other and when they were suddenly attracted it was done in an awkward and ham-fisted way. Other than the odd kiss most of their relationship has been them telling each other how they're in love with no actual evidence to back it up. How in hell are we supposed to believe this is real? Even the actors don't seem to have any spark between them, they're just reading lines and going through the motions. Kara/Anders is marginally better, but it's still just as artificial as Lee/Dee. I should think that both Lee and Kara are frakked up enough to be kept apart on their own terms without needing to invent excuses in the form of other partners. It's unfair to the audience to employ such a pathetic and over-used plot device and frankly it's unfair to the characters- particularly Dee and Anders- to make them go through this crud. All of the above being my opinion, of course. :rolleyes:

I also deeply resent the producers for making me hate a character (Dee) who used to be one of my favorites, all because of this idiotic manufactured storyline. I detest the use of characters as temporary roadblocks to a very obvious romance. And if they pull an Alias and have either Dee or Anders revealed as a cylon in order to justify the infidelity I'll only be that much more wroth. :P

It's reaching a breaking point for me and if they don't cut out this soap opera crap soon- and for good!- I may have to stop watching entirely because it's ruining my enjoyment of the rest of the show. It's a poisonous taint and I want it gone. Permanently.

[Chig]

Yes! Exactly! It feels incredibly fake. I've never understood Lee/Dee and it felt like a painfully obvious attempt to keep Lee and Kara apart... which is exactly what it was. The pairing was incredibly random. It would be like having SG-1's Walter hooking up with Nirrti; it's beyond left field. There was never ANY indication that EITHER of them had any feelings for each other and when they were suddenly attracted it was done in an awkward and ham-fisted way. Other than the odd kiss most of their relationship has been them telling each other how they're in love with no actual evidence to back it up. How in hell are we supposed to believe this is real? Even the actors don't seem to have any spark between them, they're just reading lines and going through the motions. Kara/Anders is marginally better, but it's still just as artificial as Lee/Dee. I should think that both Lee and Kara are frakked up enough to be kept apart on their own terms without needing to invent excuses in the form of other partners. It's unfair to the audience to employ such a pathetic and over-used plot device and frankly it's unfair to the characters- particularly Dee and Anders- to make them go through this crud. All of the above being my opinion, of course. :rolleyes:

I also deeply resent the producers for making me hate a character (Dee) who used to be one of my favorites, all because of this idiotic manufactured storyline. I detest the use of characters as temporary roadblocks to a very obvious romance. And if they pull an Alias and have either Dee or Anders revealed as a cylon in order to justify the infidelity I'll only be that much more wroth. :P

It's reaching a breaking point for me and if they don't cut out this soap opera crap soon- and for good!- I may have to stop watching entirely because it's ruining my enjoyment of the rest of the show. It's a poisonous taint and I want it gone. Permanently.


It would have been a perfect place to end it in the boxing ring with Apollo and Starbuck beating the tar out of one another. Perhaps they needed something to slow the pace of the show. Then again maybe there is some angle they are going to spring on us about "love" just as they have with "are you alive"...
or "is it enough to just survive".... nah, just die quadrangle.

[Lightbane]

Yes head Six told Baltar before he got drugged that "i might not be able to help you" and when six just magically appeared in his hallicinative state i knew that was head six and the girl drowning him would have been head Six blocking the flow of infomation thats her helping him

[Lightbane]

...? Sorry if I'm misinterpreting what you're saying, but Skiffy isn't airing the Super Bowl- they're airing a Ghost Hunters marathon, and then the first two episodes of The Dresden files, followed by Rapture and TABFAYW.


That said, Scifi, DOES show ECW, if you can call that a sport.

I don't live in the US so i don't have a clue what its showing, i only said that because Sci Fi already does show sports they show wrestling and they call it science fiction lol.

[daniel9]

i cant believe they are doing a craphunters marathon on sunday geezit seems like some chans want ppl to be bored allday

[anotherquestion]

I for one would like to know how Hera is? That would have been a better way to spend some screen time. Or How about Caprica Six? How about the Cylon reaction to Caprica Six leaving and the whole issue with Athena taking Hera back? They could have also shown how the cylons are dealing with the boxing of #3.

Less action/sci fi and more soap opera issues = falling ratings.

I think you should produce the next episode. All of your ideas were more interesting than what we saw.

Looks like the only "known by name" Cylon left with the Cylons is Sharon/Boomer, the remaining "war hero". She's been militant enough against the Colonials after her first resurrection, I bet she's hell on wheels now.

I never figured out why D'Anna wasn't given more acclaim as a war hero before she was boxed, particularly since she was the only known "skin job" to escape detection by the Colonials until New Caprica. She provided vital information to the Cylon fleet, too. Sharon ultimately failed in all her counter-Colonial missions and ended up destroying more Cylon assets than Colonial.

Boxing D'Anna takes a big slice out of the diversity of the known seven models. It seems odd that given the "sleeper agent" mode of Cylon operations, that a lot of aberrant behavior (from the Cylon point of view) could be simply suppressed or erased short of boxing.

Since the Cylons resurrect, boxing is the nearest analog they have to human mortality (other than dying outside of the range of a Resurrection Ship, which, by the way, should be one light year or less, given that Gina didn't resurrect when she triggered the explosion seen by the Cylons that led them to New Caprica), which has always proven to be one of humanity's prime motivators. It seems to me that it would be difficult, even in an obviously controlled society like that of the Cylons, to universally enforce a boxing order. This is particularly true for the number 3 model, which we have seen as intelligent, resourceful, daring, and used to having her own way. I think it would be interesting in the future to re-introduce a Number 3 survivor who would defect to the Colonials, since they now have an enemy in common. I would trust its loyalties more than Athena's, at this point.

Hera's illness is strange. I don't see how it could be "separation" related, since Hera was away from Sharon/Helo far longer on New Caprica, with no ill effects, than she had been on the Basestar. If it were "human" contact (generally) that Hera craved I would think that Baltar's presence would have sufficed, since it seems clear now that Baltar is not a Cylon. I hope it is not still another weird cross species virus that has already been leaned on heavily, if not consistently.

I'm also curious about more details of the "semi-liquid" Cylon technology. It seems as if the other models were waiting helplessly for D'Anna to dip her hand into one of the console controls on the Basestar, as if it had been crafted to respond only to her touch alone. Curious, isn't it?

[0ldman]

given that Gina didn't resurrect when she triggered the explosion seen by the Cylons that led them to New Caprica

I kinda wonder about that one. Nukes give off all kinds of radiation, break communications long range, EM interference...

it might have just drowned out her signal.

I wonder what kind of transmitters the Cylon's have in their heads?

[Trek_Girl42]

Yes! Exactly! It feels incredibly fake. I've never understood Lee/Dee and it felt like a painfully obvious attempt to keep Lee and Kara apart... which is exactly what it was. The pairing was incredibly random. It would be like having SG-1's Walter hooking up with Nirrti; it's beyond left field. There was never ANY indication that EITHER of them had any feelings for each other and when they were suddenly attracted it was done in an awkward and ham-fisted way. Other than the odd kiss most of their relationship has been them telling each other how they're in love with no actual evidence to back it up. How in hell are we supposed to believe this is real? Even the actors don't seem to have any spark between them, they're just reading lines and going through the motions. Kara/Anders is marginally better, but it's still just as artificial as Lee/Dee. I should think that both Lee and Kara are frakked up enough to be kept apart on their own terms without needing to invent excuses in the form of other partners. It's unfair to the audience to employ such a pathetic and over-used plot device and frankly it's unfair to the characters- particularly Dee and Anders- to make them go through this crud. All of the above being my opinion, of course. :rolleyes:

That sad thing is, that what we saw they had at the beginning of Season Two was nice- when they were conspiring to get Laura out of jail we saw that they were friends. It would have been good to see that continue rather then this. :rolleyes:

I miss the Dee the 2.0 Dee. :(

[apollo123]

True, but the ship was empty (or so we think based on Apollo not seeing any passengers through the windows) and was on a collision course with the fleet. So by trying to save his own ass, Baltar actually ended up doing a favour.

He might've done them a favor, but it wasn't intentional. And the fact that the ship was empty was irrevelant to him. He would've wanted the ship destroyed even if there were innocent poeple onboard. Anything to save his own ass.

[Scoobing]

I agree with you Apollo, and he would have most likely found a way to at least get the doctor on board 'taken care of' if not everyone. I'm just noticing that through his own selfish actions, he sometimes ends up helping humanity. It's an odd relationship that he has with his people now, a greyness, a very dark grey, but he's not an outright evil character. I don't think there is one, which is why I like the show so much, for it's shades of grey.

:)

[0ldman]

I dunno, I think Dean Stockwell's character is pretty close to evil, he's definately less grey, a bit darker than that. Leoban is pretty dark himself. Boomer isn't looking so grey anymore, she was about to snap a baby's neck because it was crying.

You're right, everyone is a shade of grey, from Bill Adama to Stockwell's Brother Kebal (spelling), but some are certainly listening to the devil on their shoulder more than others.

[Legionnaire]

I dunno, I think Dean Stockwell's character is pretty close to evil, he's definately less grey, a bit darker than that. Leoban is pretty dark himself. Boomer isn't looking so grey anymore, she was about to snap a baby's neck because it was crying.

You're right, everyone is a shade of grey, from Bill Adama to Stockwell's Brother Kebal (spelling), but some are certainly listening to the devil on their shoulder more than others.

And that is the beauty of the show isn't it :) There are no classic good/bad guys. Everyone is screwed up or flawed in some way, and noone always does the right thing. Take away spaceships and it's real life.

[voigtstr]

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You are way too late. They take down the videos at 3am eastern, it's a gift for watching the show live.

[dosed150]

I'm also curious about more details of the "semi-liquid" Cylon technology. It seems as if the other models were waiting helplessly for D'Anna to dip her hand into one of the console controls on the Basestar, as if it had been crafted to respond only to her touch alone. Curious, isn't it?

i was thinking that was a bit like the 2 key system on nuclear weapons except its like theres 7 keys and each of the cylon models have 1 built in to them theyll have to change it to only need 6 now

[kiwigater]

How do we know that the Boomer that was gonna snap the baby's neck wasn't part of a "plan" to get Sharon off the cylon ship? For that matter how do we know we have the "real" Sharon back at all?!

LOL, it's interesting to see how (nearlyy) everyone feels the same way about the love quadrangle - enough soulfull looks, either get together or don't! :mckay:

I actually believed Roslin was gonna chuck him out the airlock! :o Seemed unlikely, but ya never know with this show! If the trial doesn't occur till the end of the season that's a LOT of eps to have him hanging around.... :S

[unowhoandwhy]

Hera's illness is strange. I don't see how it could be "separation" related, since Hera was away from Sharon/Helo far longer on New Caprica, with no ill effects, than she had been on the Basestar. If it were "human" contact (generally) that Hera craved I would think that Baltar's presence would have sufficed, since it seems clear now that Baltar is not a Cylon.

It might actually be a human contact thing, Baltar's presence on board notwithstanding, because can you honestly see Baltar acting as nursemaid and walking around providing lots of human contact to a squalling child? Especially when he prefers babes to babies? ;)

[Pryito]

And there were at least half a dozen commercials saying "stay tuned after the ep is over for an exclusive cut scene." And when the snippet aired, they said "Go online to see the full scene."

If you dvr'd/tivo'd the episode most of the extra scene got cut off. Guess it's their new way of making you watch it live and not dvr it, because the secret password thing wasn't working. :) I really hope that was a scene from next weeks episode, because thats not fair to those who have to dvr it due to work, etc...

Amazing episode, the shouting match between Roslin and Baltar was amazing. Had to rewind that part a couple of times because they were both shouting at the same time, and I had to hear everything. :) Good stuff, can;t wait for more, more, more.

Best show on TV, hands down!

[Sergius Maximus]

It might actually be a human contact thing, Baltar's presence on board notwithstanding, because can you honestly see Baltar acting as nursemaid and walking around providing lots of human contact to a squalling child? Especially when he prefers babes to babies? ;)

Didn't Hera just have a gastrointestinal obstruction or something like that? She was actually healed by BSG's doctor, not Sharon's magical motherly touch.

[jadeloves_ADAMA_ROSLIN]

go Eddie James Olmos For Directing And Producing!!!

[Naonak]

So, uh... What the hell is up with the Six in Baltar's head tying whatever he was hanging himself with up? :confused:

[Matt G]

1. Definately liked how they played Baltar here, let's face it, the Colonials were never going to show him any mercy!

2. My best guess is that Gaeta is a Cylon and Baltar knows.

3. Didn't mind the shippy stuff 'too' much, though Lee's "I've lost my ring" was lame a frack!

[TennisMennis]

UHHHHH!!!! Lee go get with kara already im sick of TPTB hanging that in front of us.

I just watched this episode and your feelings here are mine. I hope this is the end of this drama. Maybe we need for both Dee and Sam to get killed off before this is resolved.

[TennisMennis]

1. Definately liked how they played Baltar here, let's face it, the Colonials were never going to show him any mercy!

2. My best guess is that Gaeta is a Cylon and Baltar knows.

3. Didn't mind the shippy stuff 'too' much, though Lee's "I've lost my ring" was lame a frack!

I agree with everything you said here. I like how we are trying to figure out who is and who isn't a Cylon. I'm wondering if they pull a shocker and make one of the big guys a Cylon - Adama, Kara, Lee, or even the Prez!

[mysterywriter012]

I still am waiting on the final cylon! ahhhh! :P

[Spimman]

I can't believe 6, 8 and herah weren't even mentioned in this episode!

[AresLover452]

Loved this episode fo rthe simple fact that Roslin got down right mean. I just loved the way she ordered Col. Tigh around... lmao!! that was great!

Roslin: COL. TIGH GET IN HERE!

Never heard Roslin shout.... before that... lol!! It was great!