Stupid n00b question-Hyperspace

[waz]

How fast do ships go when in hyperspace? The speed of light, twice the speed of light? Does it vary?

[ibwolf]

Yes it varies. We've seen Asguard ships cross intergalactic distances in a very short time (hours at most) and that's over 2 million light years.

[aAnubiSs]

Goa'uld: 32,000c for centuries.
Asgard: A few billion c.
Human Nr.: around 230,000c IIRC.

[veneticuss]

What's c?

[ibwolf]

Assuming that the Asguard galaxy is 2 million light years away (that how far Andromeda is, the actual value is likely higher) and that the travel time between it and Earth is 1 hour we find that the travel speed is 17,520,000,000 c (where 1 c is the speed of light). Or approx 17 billion times the speed of light so that fits with what aAnubiSs posted. I'd say this is a lower limit for their speed.

As for Goa'uld ... We've seen ships travel a relatively short distence within our galaxy in a matter of hours. Our galaxy is approx 100.000 in diameter. Let's say 1000 light years (the current alpha site is around 700 light years away) equate to about 8 hours then we get 1,095,000 c or approx 1 million times the speed of light. Again, given what we've seen in eps like The Serpants lair (201) I'd say that that is close to a lower bound.

[Ancient 1]

How fast do ships go when in hyperspace? The speed of light, twice the speed of light? Does it vary?
(BAD) 'Spaceballs' joke here:

:) The newest Asgard ships now equipped with "Ludicrous Speed." :p

[jpf190279]

The Asgard are from the Galaxy of Ida, so I think it is a few million more lightyears away.

I also wondered about hyperspace speeds. My figuring of it relates it to internal combustion engines. The faster you go the faster you consume fuel. The Goauld/Asgard ships are probably very very fast, but when you have to go long distance you have to slow down as not to consume all your fuel.

Basically its a consumption rates problem. Even with a super power source you are still likely to deplete it over time. The Asgard obviously have a very powerful power plant that is meant for short intergalactic hyper fast trips, but it is unlikely that they could maintain those speed if they travelled to say Pegasus. In fact their engines might not be able to travel that far without consuming all of their fuel.

Its all well and good having a v8 engine, its FAST, but definitely not built for distance. The Asgard probably developed their engines purposely to make fast trips into our galaxy, which requires a short inter-galactic range but at incredible speeds. Even if well a fully fueled ship I doubt the Asgard could zip over to Pegasus even at the a slower pace without depleting the tanks so to speak.

I think the modifications that O'neill made to the Cargo ship were designed to remove the speed cap from the engines to allow it to pull in more power and therefore travel faster. The side effect being that it would damage the engines very quickly or deplete the powerplant in a very short time.

The cargo ship made a sprint across the galaxy and then to another galaxy. In a few days at hyperspeeds it wasted the engines completely. I think the Goauld are probably capable of travelling to other galaxies but don't see a need too. Plus any ship they would send would require quite a lot of spare parts and modifications to insure the ship survived long enough to get to another galaxy. The Mothership that Jacob,Carter,Sam,Jack,Daniel were on when they blow up the sun which carely capable of trans-galactic travel, but at a pace. This pace makes the travel unappealing to the Goauld. Though they would live long enough to complete the journey their Jaffas wouldn't. Especially a Goauld wouldn't risk it.

Thoughts?

[LordAnubis]

Goa'uld: 32,000c for centuries.
Asgard: A few billion c.
Human Nr.: around 230,000c IIRC.
What exactly does this mean?

[LordAnubis]

The Asgard are from the Galaxy of Ida, so I think it is a few million more lightyears away.

I also wondered about hyperspace speeds. My figuring of it relates it to internal combustion engines. The faster you go the faster you consume fuel. The Goauld/Asgard ships are probably very very fast, but when you have to go long distance you have to slow down as not to consume all your fuel.

Basically its a consumption rates problem. Even with a super power source you are still likely to deplete it over time. The Asgard obviously have a very powerful power plant that is meant for short intergalactic hyper fast trips, but it is unlikely that they could maintain those speed if they travelled to say Pegasus. In fact their engines might not be able to travel that far without consuming all of their fuel.

Its all well and good having a v8 engine, its FAST, but definitely not built for distance. The Asgard probably developed their engines purposely to make fast trips into our galaxy, which requires a short inter-galactic range but at incredible speeds. Even if well a fully fueled ship I doubt the Asgard could zip over to Pegasus even at the a slower pace without depleting the tanks so to speak.

I think the modifications that O'neill made to the Cargo ship were designed to remove the speed cap from the engines to allow it to pull in more power and therefore travel faster. The side effect being that it would damage the engines very quickly or deplete the powerplant in a very short time.

The cargo ship made a sprint across the galaxy and then to another galaxy. In a few days at hyperspeeds it wasted the engines completely. I think the Goauld are probably capable of travelling to other galaxies but don't see a need too. Plus any ship they would send would require quite a lot of spare parts and modifications to insure the ship survived long enough to get to another galaxy. The Mothership that Jacob,Carter,Sam,Jack,Daniel were on when they blow up the sun which carely capable of trans-galactic travel, but at a pace. This pace makes the travel unappealing to the Goauld. Though they would live long enough to complete the journey their Jaffas wouldn't. Especially a Goauld wouldn't risk it.

Thoughts?
I think you're right. I wonder if any Goa'uld has ever taken an intergalactic journey before just to check stuff out. What do you think?

[aAnubiSs]

32,000 times faster then light
and so on.

And I think hyperspace-speed is related to how much energy you put into the hyperspace window. I don't think the sublight engines has any part of it, since then the problem with c would still occur at high c.

Think of hyperspace a a apple, the more energy you put in the deeper into the apple you go, and hence has to travel a shorter distance around the core.

[ibwolf]

The Asgard are from the Galaxy of Ida, so I think it is a few million more lightyears away.
Of course there is no such galaxy :) But let's assume that there is. Unless it's a dwarf galaxy (and we've seen nothing to indicate that) it would have to be further from the Milky Way then 2 million light years since that is the approx. distance to Andromeda, our nearest galactic neighbor.



I also wondered about hyperspace speeds. My figuring of it relates it to internal combustion engines. The faster you go the faster you consume fuel. The Goauld/Asgard ships are probably very very fast, but when you have to go long distance you have to slow down as not to consume all your fuel.

Basically its a consumption rates problem. Even with a super power source you are still likely to deplete it over time. The Asgard obviously have a very powerful power plant that is meant for short intergalactic hyper fast trips, but it is unlikely that they could maintain those speed if they travelled to say Pegasus. In fact their engines might not be able to travel that far without consuming all of their fuel.

Its all well and good having a v8 engine, its FAST, but definitely not built for distance. The Asgard probably developed their engines purposely to make fast trips into our galaxy, which requires a short inter-galactic range but at incredible speeds. Even if well a fully fueled ship I doubt the Asgard could zip over to Pegasus even at the a slower pace without depleting the tanks so to speak.

The problem here is that it some point Pegasus was identified as a galaxy in our "local group". The local group is made up of about 24-30 galaxies (counting dwarf galaxies) with Andromeda the biggest and the Milky Way as the second biggest. Even assuming that Ida is also a part of this group the distance between Ida and Pegasus can not be significantly greater then between Ida and the Milky Way. Maybe a factor of ten, or even (very unlikely) a factor of 100. But that's still within reach given how incredably quickly they can make the round trip to Earth and back home.

Does anyone recall if the distance to Ida was ever stated?

[Avalar]

Thor said that the Beliskner was equipped with four nutrino-ion generators. And that was one of their old ships. Unless you can explain how those types of generators produce energy, stop all of this "TEH ASGUARD WILL RUN OUT OF FUAL LOLZ" talk :P

[aAnubiSs]

Everyone run out of fuel without a constant income of fuel, doesn't matter what reactors and technology you use.

[Avalar]

Everyone run out of fuel without a constant income of fuel, doesn't matter what reactors and technology you use.

Says the Earthling.

[aAnubiSs]

It's the most basic rule in the universe. Energy can not be destroyed nor created, it can only be converted :)

Atleast I haven't seen any indication that I'm wrong in real life nor in sci-fi.

[Avalar]

It's the most basic rule in the universe. Energy can not be destroyed nor created, it can only be converted :).

Says the Earthling.

If you don't get a feel for what I'm hinting at here, stop applying OUR rules of the Universe and OUR ideas on energy to a race that is thousands of years ahead of us and has a far greater understanding of the said Universe than we do.

[aAnubiSs]

Gee you're really good at just quoting the first part of the message. How about reading all of it next time?

[Avalar]

Atleast I haven't seen any indication that I'm wrong in real life nor in sci-fi.

It doesn't matter. That's like reading a rulebook for a game and saying "Well, I can do this, because it doesn't say that I can't." Just because you haven't seen any indication that you were wrong, doesn't mean you aren't. I highly doubt the Asgard would come up to us and say "Your theories on energy are completely wrong, here's how it is..." and start explaining to us.

[aAnubiSs]

Acctally it's you that has to prove that energy can be destroyed.

Give me an example in SG1 or outside, real life or any other sci-fi show then?

[hail_jack]

Forgive my ingorance but wasn't Daniel as a "ascended" being, i.e. energy, kinda "destroyed" (returning butt naked in Human form) by Oma, her fanclub and the rest of the those crackers...???

[aAnubiSs]

Our body is made up by protons, electrons and neutrons... what do you think that is?:)

[hail_jack]

Okay smartass:D Good point...

btw...was it energy....?

[ibwolf]

aAnubiSs is right. Barring the possibility that our entire understanding of physics is WAY off, energy (and that is a very vague concept) can neither be created nor destroyed. It can only be converted. Like when you burn the fuel in your car to create kinetic energy (movement) and thermal energy (heat).

That said, we still have no idea what kind of energy sources the Asguard use. What their capacity is? What the fuel to energy ratio is? Is there a fuel to energy ratio? Maybe they are able to tap into some kind of cosmic energy pool when in hyperspace? There are endless possbilities and until the Writers decide to put in some exposition on the subject we'll just have to draw what inferances we can from the established abilities of Asguard ships.

[hail_jack]

So what happens when you set of a a-bomb then...wouldn't a lot of energy be "created" and/or released?..

Sorry about my lack of knowledge...the whole science thing ain't my thing...

aren't we getting off topic here btw?...

[aAnubiSs]

Plutonium/Uranium has alot of energy stored, which is why it's used =)

[hail_jack]

But how's all that stored energy created then?

[aAnubiSs]

Do a search on google about fission reaction and you'll get ALOT of nfo.

If you knew Swedish I'd send you my 13-page essay on the subject :)

[ibwolf]

When you detonate an a-bomb you put the uranium under stress. This causes it's atomic bonds to break (Uranium is a very heavy atom, consisting of quite a lot of protons and neutrons). When this happens an enormous amount of energy that was being used to hold the atom together is released. The result is of course a rather nifty explosion. The material that remains is of lower density (lighter atoms) and will continue to radiate excess energy for some time.

It is important to remember that energy and matter (mass) is interchangable. e = mc^2 where e is energy, m is mass and c is the speed of light.

All matter and energy where created in the big bang some billions of years ago. Every last bit that exists in our universe was created in that instant (one day we may come to understand the why and how but that's still beyond us). Nothing "new" has been created since. Things have only transformed from one state to another.

[aAnubiSs]

Just wait 'till we start talking about quarks ;)

[hail_jack]

Okidoki...don't speak swedish so I'll go google thanks...(tack?)

[aAnubiSs]

tack is correct :)

[hail_jack]

Quarks? 13 page essay's? That's what they make u guys do in sunny sweden...ouch...

btw...ibwolf thanks for your detailed, yet in my stupid, ingorant eyes, confusing reply...Big Bang part though made sense...

[ibwolf]

Just wait 'till we start talking about quarks ;)
Hehe, I can deal with molecular physics and even relativity to a point. But once you get into quantum mechanics I'm pretty much lost beyond "you can not know both the location and vector of a particle"

[hail_jack]

Ah well talk amongst yourselves...I'm getting even more confused..:eek: I assume that "you can not know both the location and vector of a particle" means you don't know where any particle is and where its heading...???

We were talking about hyperspace...did anybody see that Muse video for Absolution btw...great song, good video...it had something to do with hyperspace...

[aAnubiSs]

We're only talking about High School psysics... atleast it is in Sweden.

[aAnubiSs]

Hehe, I can deal with molecular physics and even relativity to a point. But once you get into quantum mechanics I'm pretty much lost beyond "you can not know both the location and vector of a particle"

Heisenberg is a tricky person, yes :)

[ibwolf]

btw...ibwolf thanks for your detailed, yet in my stupid, ingorant eyes, confusing reply...Big Bang part though made sense...
It's a complicated subject. Einstein is the one that made most of the breakthroughs so don't feel too bad. The basic point is the conservation of energy. It can not be created, and it can not be destroyed. Only changed.

Most of the energy we 'expend' is lost because it's actually turned into thermal energy (heat). So when you start your car it burns the oil (which releases energy by breaking down molecular bonds in the carbon and forming new, lower energy bonds using the provided oxygen molecules) it creates heat and pressure. The heat is lost, but the pressure from the explossion is turned into motion that drives the car. That motion is then eventually bled away into heat via friction (both air and surface), most especially when you break.

[aAnubiSs]

To be able to get unlimited energy one would need a frictionless material... and if I could invent that I'd be the richest man by a few trillion billions.

[hail_jack]

I didn't know you vikings were so smart :D

[hail_jack]

To be able to get unlimited energy one would need a frictionless material... and if I could invent that I'd be the richest man by a few trillion billions.
Have fun...I hope it shall serve you well..

[ibwolf]

We were talking about hyperspace...
Hehe, we have gone a bit off topic, but physics is such a fun topic.

And on the topic of fun physics. Anyone who wants to read a really good book on the general subject should read Stephen Hawking's A brief history of time (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553380168/qid=1093884559/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-7120459-6588027). It's absolutely brilliant and you don't have to be a Ph.D to read it. The link goes to Amazon and refers to the new 10th 'updated and expanded' edition. Haven't read it, only the old, unexpanded one, but that one was more then good enough. I'm thinking maybe I should also get this version....

[ibwolf]

I didn't know you vikings were so smart :D
Are you kidding. We are all Asguard's in disguise so of course we're bloody brilliant :D

[aAnubiSs]

Yes our giant heads make up for our.... *BEEEEEEEEEEEEEP*

[hail_jack]

Imo Björk sings like a asgard...:D

[aAnubiSs]

She wore a Furling ffs! She should be sent to Netu.

[ibwolf]

I just got a mental image of Thor wearing a Swan dress :D:D:D:D

[hail_jack]

Indeed...sorry couldn't help getting off topic...I read the whole what imagine space is a apple...it didn't go down very well...though I read a cool book.. " A short of history of the future" by W.Warren Wager...he talked about "matter/anti-matter" drives...would that work in reality and i'm guessing its sounds so stuupid it could feature sur sg1????


ibwolf I know u guys must be freezin your superior butts up in icy iceland (??) but please:


I just got a mental image of Thor wearing a Swan dress :D:D:D:D

let's not go there okay :D

[aAnubiSs]

I'll draw you a picture and upload reg. my theory about hyperspace.

[hail_jack]

Sounds good..

[aAnubiSs]

http://www.teamswe.se/images/hyperspace.gif

[hail_jack]

Cool...Nuby what's the small circle in the middle though?

[ibwolf]

aAnubiSs: That's basically the idea behind hyperspace. It might even hold up. Quantum theory allows for extra dimensions (it's only a theory though). Hyperspace engines would access one of these and allow a (shorter) passage through them. The more energy you are willing to input the 'higher' dimension you can reach and thus achive shorter travel times.

[hail_jack]

Would one of my fancy "matter/anti-matter" drives do the trick?

[ibwolf]

matter/anti-matter drives are just a powersource. They don't in and of themselves provide thrust. You could rig them up to be one mother of a rocket but that would at best accelerate you to relatavistic speeds (a fraction of the speed of light).

[hail_jack]

:o

[LordAnubis]

It's the most basic rule in the universe. Energy can not be destroyed nor created, it can only be converted :)

Atleast I haven't seen any indication that I'm wrong in real life nor in sci-fi.
You spelled Malmo wrong! :)

[VirtualCLD]

It's the most basic rule in the universe. Energy can not be destroyed nor created, it can only be converted

Atleast I haven't seen any indication that I'm wrong in real life nor in sci-fi.

Well, this quote was old, but I had to add something to it. Aprently energy can be created. I recall one test where a photon was shot through a slit to observe what would happen. When a light wave goes through a slit, there is an interference pattern created, and depending on how the slit is cut out, you get multiple wave fronts from a single wave front. Due to the wave/particle duality principle, one photon went through, and two came out. Really strange, and it has baffled physicists.

[hail_jack]

Reading that has baffled me too mate..

And I think "Malmo" is a place in sweden...and as I had nothing else to do here's the website...


http://www.malmo.se (http://www.malmo.se/)

[LordAnubis]

Do a search on google about fission reaction and you'll get ALOT of nfo.

If you knew Swedish I'd send you my 13-page essay on the subject :)
aAnubisS isn't Swedish similar to German? I've seen both written and they look similar, but they sound different. Plus, Swedish and German girls look similar: both are blond and very hot!

[LordAnubis]

Reading that has baffled me too mate..

And I think "Malmo" is a place in sweden...and as I had nothing else to do here's the website...


http://www.malmo.se (http://www.malmo.se/)
aAnubisS spells it Malmoe! I think Swede spell it different. Where is Morges? Is that in the French or German part of Switzerland? Swiss girls are hot too! Blond and they look German :)

[hail_jack]

French part...girls are sadly average down here...nice bodies though...I lived in the German part for 6 years...yep...swiss-german girls are very nice...but still...how many times have I bought this up..WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HYPERSPACE!!!!:D

[LordAnubis]

French part...girls are sadly average down here...nice bodies though...I lived in the German part for 6 years...yep...swiss-german girls are very nice...but still...how many times have I bought this up..WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HYPERSPACE!!!!:D
I know...I'm sorry, but I was just thinking about girls a lot today! Here's what I want to know....

Are Goa'uld mother ships faster than most Federation ships/Klingon Ships/Romulan ships, etc. in Capt. Picard/Janeway's time? I mean, the Goau'ld can travel across the MW galaxy in hours/days/weeks, whereas it would take Voygager 70-150 years to get from the Delta Quadrant to Alpha Quadrant in the SAME galaxy. It seems that the Goa'uld have faster and better drives/engines.

Same with Star Wars; they appear less advanced.

What are your thoughts?

[hail_jack]

Wow...go slow next time I think as some of my viking co-forumers (??) have said..it depends...on how much juice you put in....but I ain't a expert on these things as you can see....though i know it takes a Ha'tak vessel to across our galaxy a long time compared to the Asgard...sorry...bad answer..

[aAnubiSs]

Ok, the lowdown on Malmö.

It's spelled Malmö, but since the English language doesn't have the ö it's spelt oe instead. Malmo is just the o without the ¨

[aAnubiSs]

Warp 9.9 = 8,000c... or if it was 9,000c. Anyway it's around 3.5 times slower then Goa'uld hyperdrive.

And Matter-AntiMatter is a VERY powerful reaction. I'll give you some numbers.

Fission: 8.9*10^13/kg
Fusion: 1.0*10^15/kg
M/AM: 9*10^16/kg (.5M,0.5AM)


So M/AM is 1000 times more poweful then our current nuclear powerplans, if we go per kilogram.
and almost 100 times more powerful then Fusion.

[LordAnubis]

Ok, the lowdown on Malmö.

It's spelled Malmö, but since the English language doesn't have the ö it's spelt oe instead. Malmo is just the o without the ¨
I like the ¨; it's cool. Germans use ¨ too (umlaut). What do you call the ¨ in Swedish?

[LordAnubis]

Warp 9.9 = 8,000c... or if it was 9,000c. Anyway it's around 3.5 times slower then Goa'uld hyperdrive.

And Matter-AntiMatter is a VERY powerful reaction. I'll give you some numbers.

Fission: 8.9*10^13/kg
Fusion: 1.0*10^15/kg
M/AM: 9*10^16/kg (.5M,0.5AM)


So M/AM is 1000 times more poweful then our current nuclear powerplans, if we go per kilogram.
and almost 100 times more powerful then Fusion.
Tack!

[aAnubiSs]

I don't know what we call the ¨, since it's never used in the Swedish language. Only used for äö, a+¨,o+¨, our last two letters.

[LordAnubis]

I don't know what we call the ¨, since it's never used in the Swedish language. Only used for äö, a+¨,o+¨, our last two letters.
So, is Swedish similar to German? Are the Swedish people similar to Germans?

[aAnubiSs]

I can understand alot of german even though I've never even tried to learn it.

And I don't really know how similar Swedes and Germans are... haven't been to Germany in several years.

[LordAnubis]

I can understand alot of german even though I've never even tried to learn it.

And I don't really know how similar Swedes and Germans are... haven't been to Germany in several years.
Ja, ja, ja :)
German and Swedish girls are hot! :) I like tall blonde girls. I wonder if Carter is Swedish or German? I mean Amanda Tapping. :) :D

[jpf190279]

The M Theory which is the latest attempt at the unified theory uses 11 dimensions. Stargate SG1 only uses 10 dimensions which is in line with a theory in quantum mechanics called String Theory.

Ironically the 2 theories in nature are the same barring the visualisation of the underline universe.

String Theory began allowing for only a few dimensions other than the 4 we can actually measure, Length, Width, Depth and Time. The other dimensions were added to allow for motion of sub-atomic particles. These sub-atomic particles required more extra dimensions to move about in. So the theory added them. After a few years String theory gained a maximum of 10 dimensions. Now at this point some guy had the idea of adding an 11th dimension to explain gravity. This new version of the String Theory became knew as the Super String Theory, and purposed that gravity was a foreign force not native to our universe but was came in contact with our universe via a 11th dimension. This theory was laughed at and rejected due to the idea of something existing outside our universe, that and the fact the numbers just did add up.

Now sometime later Super String Theory was pretty much dropped as an acceptable idea, until someone started to crush the numbers on the String Theory that had ruled it out. At this point mathematicians started to get multiple versions of the same theory. This made no sense since there is only one universe so there should be only one possible formula. Now someone looked at the idea of Super String Theory and applied it into the idea of String Theory and the result was M Theory. M Theory is basically a COMPLETELY new way of thinking of the universe. The new theory basically destroyed all previous theories to explain the universe, it purposed that their wasn’t just 1-10 dimensions like String Theory had said but was in fact 11. This had a great effect on the nature of what the universe is made up of than was stated in Super String Theory. Both String and Super String Theory said that all matter was made up vibrating strings which frequencies determines what piece of matter that string makes. In order for the string to vibrate the universe needed 10 dimensions to allow the necessary movement. These dimensions are completely outside of our ability to visualise correctly since we are only aware of 4 dimensions. In M Theory the universe is made of of 11 dimensions, this altered the strings from strings into membranes or more precisely vibration on a membrane. The universe was reworked into a giant sheet floating in hyperspace, with each piece of matter being created as a result of a ripple upon the membrane. Not what made the theory more important than other is that it could explain not only what happened at the big bang (the moment of creation) but what worked before it. This is new to the field of QM.

Now according to M Theory, the universe is like a sheet without form floating with a extra-dimensional void. The sheet is not alone and co-exists with other sheets. Not these sheets contain a universe, but the universe has no matter and no form. The form and matter are created when 2 or more sheets (membranes) come into contact. Upon contact they disrupt the smooth formless membrane and create riddles. These riddles create the universe (energy, matter, etc) within the membranes dimensions. What is also interesting about this idea is that it states that there isn't just one universe but more than one, and that these universes exist outside out our local dimensions. Each one of these universes is completely different, or possibly similar. They are created just like our when two or more membranes impact one another. The laws of physics within these universes may even be completely different. This theory also supports the idea that gravity is a super force that leaks into our universe from hyperspace and this is why it is incredible weak.

Now before anyone starts going on about hyperspace travel, you must realise that the hyperspace in this theory is something complete beyond our universe and to tear a hole in our universe to get into hyperspace would must likely destroy our entire universe (big bang all over again). Plus it is highly unlikely that any technology can be developed to do just that. Also this hyperspace suffers from Super Gravity and anything inside of it would be crushed by several million gravities possibly billions...

So far no other dimensions have been discovered that could allow for faster than light travel.

To date SG1 and SGC are about 10 years behind everyone else in the physics department. Oh well it’s only a series.

[donnie_darko]

Your right and most of this can be explain to you if you watch the 2 or so NOVA PBS special and read the Elegant Universe.

[Mio]

Wow. I need to read up on M Theory :D

[jpf190279]

Your right and most of this can be explain to you if you watch the 2 or so NOVA PBS special and read the Elegant Universe.

I watched that series it was great... Very well presented. But I already knew of the theory prior to watching that series, there was also an horizon special on it (UK). I love stuff like that.

Brian Greene who wrote the Elegant Universe is a god damn genius, he explains things in a clear way that allow everyday people to somehow visualise the other dimensions in a way that you would only expect a QM or Mathematician to be able to do. The whole comparison of the extra dimensions to a coil of wire from an Ants point of view was shear genius.

And his explaination of alternative dimensions was hilarious, especially when he was doing that piece in the bar.

If you think that is good... There is another scientist who and I jest you not, has built/building a real life time machine. Apparently it uses a theory of special relativity to warp space and time into a vortex that allows a stream of electrons to be sent into the past.

The machine uses a matrix of lasers to deform space-time, now while these lasers are one, which is estimated to be for 150 years, you can send a sign "electrons" back through time from another point in time when the machine exists. This only works between the time the machine was front actived to the day it is switched off. So someone in 2145 could sent a signal in a stream of electrons to the guy in 2005 telling him of something important that is going to happen in the next few years.

What my concern is that though the guy says that isn't possible, that someone in a few years will find a way to do it and use the machine as a probability engine to re-shape the future to their liking. Just imagine if Pres. Bush got hold of it and found out that China was going to invade Taiwan and then continue onto a global conquest. Sometimes it is better not to know! :/

[ibwolf]

If you think that is good... There is another scientist who and I jest you not, has built/building a real life time machine. Apparently it uses a theory of special relativity to warp space and time into a vortex that allows a stream of electrons to be sent into the past.

The machine uses a matrix of lasers to deform space-time, now while these lasers are one, which is estimated to be for 150 years, you can send a sign "electrons" back through time from another point in time when the machine exists. This only works between the time the machine was front actived to the day it is switched off. So someone in 2145 could sent a signal in a stream of electrons to the guy in 2005 telling him of something important that is going to happen in the next few years.

What my concern is that though the guy says that isn't possible, that someone in a few years will find a way to do it and use the machine as a probability engine to re-shape the future to their liking. Just imagine if Pres. Bush got hold of it and found out that China was going to invade Taiwan and then continue onto a global conquest. Sometimes it is better not to know! :/

There is actually a very good book by James P. Hogan called Thrice upon a Time that has a machine just like that as its center plot piece. Very good read. Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671319485/qid=1093957437/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-7120459-6588027)

[Croatoan]

The Asgard are from the Galaxy of Ida, so I think it is a few million more lightyears away.

I also wondered about hyperspace speeds. My figuring of it relates it to internal combustion engines. The faster you go the faster you consume fuel. The Goauld/Asgard ships are probably very very fast, but when you have to go long distance you have to slow down as not to consume all your fuel.

Basically its a consumption rates problem. Even with a super power source you are still likely to deplete it over time. The Asgard obviously have a very powerful power plant that is meant for short intergalactic hyper fast trips, but it is unlikely that they could maintain those speed if they travelled to say Pegasus. In fact their engines might not be able to travel that far without consuming all of their fuel.

Its all well and good having a v8 engine, its FAST, but definitely not built for distance. The Asgard probably developed their engines purposely to make fast trips into our galaxy, which requires a short inter-galactic range but at incredible speeds. Even if well a fully fueled ship I doubt the Asgard could zip over to Pegasus even at the a slower pace without depleting the tanks so to speak.

I think the modifications that O'neill made to the Cargo ship were designed to remove the speed cap from the engines to allow it to pull in more power and therefore travel faster. The side effect being that it would damage the engines very quickly or deplete the powerplant in a very short time.

The cargo ship made a sprint across the galaxy and then to another galaxy. In a few days at hyperspeeds it wasted the engines completely. I think the Goauld are probably capable of travelling to other galaxies but don't see a need too. Plus any ship they would send would require quite a lot of spare parts and modifications to insure the ship survived long enough to get to another galaxy. The Mothership that Jacob,Carter,Sam,Jack,Daniel were on when they blow up the sun which carely capable of trans-galactic travel, but at a pace. This pace makes the travel unappealing to the Goauld. Though they would live long enough to complete the journey their Jaffas wouldn't. Especially a Goauld wouldn't risk it.

Thoughts?

In real world terms your dead on with the realities of science. However, in most explanations I have read regarding faster than light travel or hyperspace in science ficition realm which is undoubtably what this falls under its been explained that "hyperspace" is a deminsion of space and time that doesnt require the principle of consumables as you have layed out. The tollans explained it best with the stick, in the scene from the episode in which we first encouter them.

Hyperspace is about warping the fabric of space so that time and distance are relatively shortened.

Also keep in mind that all power sources we have currently explored as a species. Wood, oil, gasoline, Coal, Hydro-Electric, Wind, etc are all depleatable in that eventually you either run out or dont have access to the materials such as wind or running water to continue producing power. This is because they are inefficient we only get a miniscule amount of energy out for the resources we put in.

In the stargate universe many of the advanced cultures utilize alternate "renewable" or "high efficiency" conversion types of energy. In most cases they propabably get 90% output or even more compared to our 10-15% energy conversion rate with some of our power technologies. A renewable powersource would get 100% efficiency or 99.99% and would enable them to get almost all of what they put in out.

The ancients ZPMs powered the shields on atlantis for several thousand years. Thats several times more powerful than anything we currently poses technologically. I personally chaulk all this up to the fact that we cant even fathom some of the technology behind a majority of the advanced technology we may encounter in a scifi universe mostly because our own science isnt even to the point of understanding the basic principles behind a majority of it.

Sorry for being long winded.

Croatoan

p.s. look up the episode where the tollan are brought to earth the first time. Listen to when the guy that has the hots for sam talks about some of the basic principles of their science when he referes to our science its kinda smug like oh yeah we did that....way back when....kinda like we do when we listen to some of our grandparents stories about early scientific things.

[power_ranger]

It was called "Emigma"; season 1 I think




Danny hands him a notebook. He looks at it, and takes some device off of his arm, and puts it on the ground. He activates it, and it hums, and a light shines up. Danny watches as the light shoots up, and disappears into the starry sky.

JACKSON: Listen, I'm no astronomer, but won't that take thousands of years to reach the Nox world?

OMOC: Why would it?

JACKSON: Well, that's just a laser, right? I mean... light takes a long time to travel that far.

OMOC: (Takes a twig in his hands) The distance between these two points seems far. Until you do this. (He bends the twig to where the ends meet)

JACKSON: OK... OK, I remember this from college physics. One of our scientists, Einstein, explained this the same way. You are talking about actually folding space.

OMOC: No. You wouldn't understand.

JACKSON: No, I guess not. I just hope the Nox do.


How did the Tollan send their message without "folding" space?

[aAnubiSs]

By entering a dimension where time and gravity are the same, but 1km in hyperspace is acctually 1 lightyear(or any other numbers). There's no folding going on there :)

[jpf190279]

Hyperspace is some lame "plot convenient" means of explaining travel between the stars using a techno-babble word. Hyperspace is technical nothing, it is only used in physics to explain some other spatial dimension that we don't really understand yet.

The Hyperspace in my M-Theory post was used to explain the void outside our universe, in which the multi-verse exists.

P.S.

Energy is depletable regardless... Even zero point energy. Just think about it for one second and it will become evident why.

[aAnubiSs]

ZPE is depletable yes, but it is made into electrons or whatever way they power their stuff.

[jpf190279]

ZPE is depletable yes, but it is made into electrons or whatever way they power their stuff.

Actually I was talking about how it utilises vacuum energy to create energy. Its all to do with the big bang and quantum foam. But the principle I was think about is that if you create a contain 1 meter by 1 meter and trap zero energy inside it. You tap it for energy... The problem is that ZPE is actually a sea of energy that was left over from the formation of the universe, it is called Zero Point Energy because if you remove everything from a given point in space there is still energy. This energy is... well someform of subatomic particle like anything else. Now if you design a device to collect the energy or utilize it to generate power you run the risk of disrupting the particles stopping the effect, or worse if you tap the particles directly, you can transmute it into something other than ZPE at which point you have depleted that source.

Now if you had a ship powered by ZPE you could indeed have a massive power generator but in order to generate power you would have to tap the ZPE, once the has tapped that location you deplete it. But that is nothing to worry about since the sea of energy covers the universe. But you still drp the power level slightly.

Now if 1,000,000 alien races across the universe utilized ZPE to power FTL devices using spatial folding/warp technology, you might start to see ZPE levels in localised areas starting to lower faster than in other parts of the universe, as the sea of energy attempts to balances itself out.

Look its hard to explain.

Think of it as a water planet, and ships sailing on it. Each ship uses a bucket of water every few minutes to power the ship. But the water to transmuted into something different like hydrogen and oxygen... Since its changed it is depleted. If there is a lot of ships and all the ships are doing the same then eventually the planets sea is going to lower.

Now if you are taking in a lot of water from one location at a fast pace you can deform the level of the ocean resulting in the sea rushing in to fill the missing water, this eventually balances out. But it may take a while to do this.

[ColonelWilliams]

If energy can't be created or destroyed, then how could energy be created by something that the laws of physics applies to? ("Big Bang") unless you say that the big bang cannot be explained by science... just a thought :D

[Jakebbq]

To be able to get unlimited energy one would need a frictionless material... and if I could invent that I'd be the richest man by a few trillion billions.


there is a frictionless meterial originaly made by the chinese called silk you should have heard of it if you rub 2 pieces of silk to gether there is no friction so if u have silk on your bed and wear silk pajamas run and jump on your bed you will slide off :thoranime09:

[Rodan5757]

there is a frictionless meterial originaly made by the chinese called silk you should have heard of it if you rub 2 pieces of silk to gether there is no friction so if u have silk on your bed and wear silk pajamas run and jump on your bed you will slide off :thoranime09:

Technically in order for that to be completely true you would need to negate the friction caused by gravity, as well as, air. We are not in a frictionless environment, even if the material itself happens to be.

I don't doubt you will slide a bit, but it wouldn't be "cartoon on a banana" slippyness.

[freyr's mother]

What's c?

c is the speed of light constant Its around 6 trillion kps

[freyr's mother]

So what happens when you set of a a-bomb then...wouldn't a lot of energy be "created" and/or released?..

Sorry about my lack of knowledge...the whole science thing ain't my thing...

aren't we getting off topic here btw?...

According to the law of thermodynamics, energy cannot be created or destroyed. The energy was released.

[Lex Reekie]

If energy can't be created or destroyed, then how could energy be created by something that the laws of physics applies to? ("Big Bang") unless you say that the big bang cannot be explained by science... just a thought :D

Big Bang theory is that everything 'banged' (bigly) from one point, a singularity. And at that singularity the laws of physics wouldn't have applied. We would have to have a better understanding of quantum physics to better explain it.

If you can't grasp the idea of nothing being smaller than a singularity, try my analogy... (I love computer analogys)...

Visualise the universe a a massive JPEG, you can zoom in on it for a while, gradually seeing how each part of the image is made, but eventually u'll zoom so close that you'll see an indivual pixel, you cant see any closer than that single pixel, like a sigularity because nothing could possibly be smaller. But that pixel is made of something too, just like the JPEG was made of pixels, except we dont have a zoom tool that can zoom into pixels yet.
lol sorry i'll stop now.

[Rodan5757]

That was acctually a very good analogy for the Singularity of the Big Bang Theory, I'll have to use that sometime and call it my own. ;)

It is true that the big bang is out of reach as far as modern day sciene is concerned...but so is turning a planet into a sun, or using a black hole to create an interdimensional portal (If you've never seen the episodes, I think that was vague enough). My point is not to say that The Big Bang is a theory that is better placed in sci-fi, rather that sci-fi takes up leaps and boaunds beyond what we are capable of, towards was is possible given the understanding.

I can go into techno-bable galore explaining Reletivity, Thermodynamics, and String Theory..as well as Quantem Mechanics. All of which are required to explain The Big Bang as well as *energy*, which all comes back to explaining Hyper Space...so I'm not too far off topic here. However, unless asked, I won't explain further because it is not neccessarily needed. The Big Bang is a theory, because it has holes that modern day science can not completely prove...nor dis-prove. Many modern day scientific *facts* are in fact theory, with a solid basis, many of which may be modified or completely dropped in the near future. That doesn't mean that they don't apply to our understanding of the universe and all that is out there.

[jebus]

I would like to know what the relativistic effects are of travelling faster than c, as if your velocity is >c then gamma becomes imaginary

also, why do you need continuous energy input to maintain a constant speed when it >c

and why has the ability to travel >c not been exploited to deliberatly go back in time?

[jebus]

there is a frictionless meterial originaly made by the chinese called silk you should have heard of it if you rub 2 pieces of silk to gether there is no friction so if u have silk on your bed and wear silk pajamas run and jump on your bed you will slide off :thoranime09:

Silk is not a frictionless material, there is no such maaterial (or at least no known one), silk on silk just has a very low coefficient of friction

[Rodan5757]

I would like to know what the relativistic effects are of travelling faster than c, as if your velocity is >c then gamma becomes imaginary

In modern day physics we know very little about what traveling faster than c would look, or even feel like. Base 10 mathematics (i.e. everyday math) does not allow the formulas to work out properly and therefore with our limited knowledge faster than c travel is an impossibility, relatively anyway. We, as a people, know that it possible within the scope of the universe, but not currently at our level. Therefore, only predictions, with regards to formulas, could be deduced.

If I had to state an educated guess on the matter, I would make the assumption that, relativisticly >c travel would not look or feel any different then travel on subway train with no windows would be. Motion is relative, that is why when you jump on an airplane you don’t slam into the wall because it is moving so fast. An object moves in constant speed within its relative surroundings. Therefore, I would deduce that from an objects perspective, no extreme change would be felt.


also, why do you need continuous energy input to maintain a constant speed when it >c

Realistically you wouldn’t, but you would need a massive amount of initial force to gain the necessary speed for >c travel. I disagree with the previous post that a constant amount of energy would be needed to maintain faster than c travel over great distances. The largest power output would be the initial burst of energy needed. This while difficult to obtain would not need to be maintained. An analogy I would use would be the starting of a car. When the ignitions flares, the fuel still burns, but the amount of energy required to drive is minimal compared to the amount of starting it.


and why has the ability to travel >c not been exploited to deliberatly go back in time?

Physics states that traveling at great speeds an object would age progressively slower. Therefore, traveling at speeds >c one would assume that an object could make an intergalactic trip and theoretically travel thousands of years into the future. Relatively this true, however, there would be no way back, as far as modern day physics can positively state. This is not technically time travel although you would be traveling far into the future. For a good article on theoretical time travel check out this website: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/time/through.html .

I hope I was able to provide some answers to your questions. Nothing I have stated is one hundred percent however. I can’t say that I remember everything perfectly from my studies, but I would say that I had a pretty good grasp on the concepts behind the theories.

[Puddle-Jumper]

What's c?

C means the speed of light in this case times the speed of light

[jebus]

In modern day physics we know very little about what traveling faster than c would look, or even feel like. Base 10 mathematics (i.e. everyday math) does not allow the formulas to work out properly and therefore with our limited knowledge faster than c travel is an impossibility, relatively anyway.

Well actually the equation works out, but to an imaginary number:

β=v/c
γ=1/√(1-β²)

where the variables γ and β are commen replacements used in relativity due to their frequent appearence.

the simplest appearence of γ is in the equation to calculate time dialation as a result of high speeds:

∆t=γ∆t0


also I feel I must state that what base you use to represent the values will have no effect on what values you get!


We, as a people, know that it possible within the scope of the universe, but not currently at our level. Therefore, only predictions, with regards to formulas, could be deduced.

actually we only know travel >c is possiblee in the SG universe, I doubt it is possible in the real world as it would inevitably allow for travel back in time, explained further down.


If I had to state an educated guess on the matter, I would make the assumption that, relativisticly >c travel would not look or feel any different then travel on subway train with no windows would be. Motion is relative, that is why when you jump on an airplane you don’t slam into the wall because it is moving so fast. An object moves in constant speed within its relative surroundings. Therefore, I would deduce that from an objects perspective, no extreme change would be felt.

I agree here, that in the event travel >c really is possible, it should feel the same as travel <c



Realistically you wouldn’t, but you would need a massive amount of initial force to gain the necessary speed for >c travel. I disagree with the previous post that a constant amount of energy would be needed to maintain faster than c travel over great distances. The largest power output would be the initial burst of energy needed. This while difficult to obtain would not need to be maintained. An analogy I would use would be the starting of a car. When the ignitions flares, the fuel still burns, but the amount of energy required to drive is minimal compared to the amount of starting it.

Well, my complaint is that ANY continuous energy input is necesary is SG to maintain >c. What would be slowing them down in space? There is no air or road to create friction that we experience in a car that would gradually slow them down in space.


Physics states that traveling at great speeds an object would age progressively slower. Therefore, traveling at speeds >c one would assume that an object could make an intergalactic trip and theoretically travel thousands of years into the future. Relatively this true, however, there would be no way back, as far as modern day physics can positively state. This is not technically time travel although you would be traveling far into the future. For a good article on theoretical time travel check out this website: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/time/through.html .

You are absolutly correct in this regard, but this deals entirly with speeds <c,
me and my friend recently had a long discussion on nhow this concept will most likely lead to the end of the human race, but that is a completlym different conversation...

lim as v→c- of γ = +∞


I hope I was able to provide some answers to your questions. Nothing I have stated is one hundred percent however. I can’t say that I remember everything perfectly from my studies, but I would say that I had a pretty good grasp on the concepts behind the theories.

For this description, it should be understood that an event simply refers to a point in spacetime.

Now on to why travel >c will allow travel back in time. This includes any form of >c travel such as beaming, managing to get from point A to point B faster than a beam of light would, ie. being in 2 points whose seperation is space-like as opposed to time-like, would allow for travel back in time. First you must understand a light-cone, this is a 4-D cone that any event within it is the space that can affect you and what you can affect. A beam of light from an event in your past light cone can reach you while one that is out of you light cone cant reach you in time, and in your future light cone, a beam of light emitted from you can reach any event in your future light cone. Depending on the frame of reference, the location of you and and any event in you lightcone can be viewed as occuring at the same locationbut different times, or in a slightly different position in any direction, but a much larger difference in the time of occurence. Any event outside of your light cone, depending on the frame of referenced can be viewed as occuring simultaneously but at different points in space or slightly after of or slightly before you. The seperation between you and any event in your lightcone is therefore said to be time-like and the seperation between you and any event outside your light-cone is said to be space-like.

If you can travel between 2 events whose seperation is space-like, than there will be some frames of reference where you are observed arriving before you left. Suppose after you make this space-like jump, youquickly obtain a velocity such that your frame of reference would be one where you arrived before you left, you could then return to the physical location that event A occurs at, if you can make a space like jump, from event A to Event B, you could then make another space like jump from event B to event C which is in the same physical location as event A and you would have then travelled back in time.

[Rodan5757]

Well actually the equation works out, but to an imaginary number:
β=v/c
γ=1/√(1-β²)
where the variables γ and β are commen replacements used in relativity due to their frequent appearence.
the simplest appearence of γ is in the equation to calculate time dialation as a result of high speeds:
∆t=γ∆t0

I do understand this, what my point was that in order to properly calculate viable equations we would need an understanding of that imaginary number. Without that understanding, the number becomes theory, and can not be practically utilized.


actually we only know travel >c is possiblee in the SG universe, I doubt it is possible in the real world as it would inevitably allow for travel back in time, explained further down.

I wouldn’t say that >c travel would positively result in time travel. Faster then light speeds can induce a sort of sight into the past, but only a past relative to your current location in space time. As soon as this relative location is surpassed you begin to move forward in time, although at a slower rate then normal. This combined with your actual speed allows for an object to travel great expanses in relatively minimal time.


Well, my complaint is that ANY continuous energy input is necesary is SG to maintain >c. What would be slowing them down in space? There is no air or road to create friction that we experience in a car that would gradually slow them down in space.

A lesser force reacting against the direction they were traveling in would effectly slow them down in space. Granted there is no friction, which lays claim that a much less amount of energy would be required to speed up and slow down.


If you can travel between 2 events whose seperation is space-like, than there will be some frames of reference where you are observed arriving before you left. Suppose after you make this space-like jump, youquickly obtain a velocity such that your frame of reference would be one where you arrived before you left, you could then return to the physical location that event A occurs at, if you can make a space like jump, from event A to Event B, you could then make another space like jump from event B to event C which is in the same physical location as event A and you would have then travelled back in time.

This is true theoretically, however you could not end up in a point in time outside your frame of current reference. Though this is technically traveling through time, it is limited travel.

[jebus]

I do understand this, what my point was that in order to properly calculate viable equations we would need an understanding of that imaginary number. Without that understanding, the number becomes theory, and can not be practically utilized.

Yes, but it also should be noted that because of relativity, travelling >c in the conventional sense (ie excluding wormholes, beaming, or any onther instantaneous travel) would require an infinite amount of energy to even reach c.




I wouldn’t say that >c travel would positively result in time travel. Faster then light speeds can induce a sort of sight into the past, but only a past relative to your current location in space time. As soon as this relative location is surpassed you begin to move forward in time, although at a slower rate then normal. This combined with your actual speed allows for an object to travel great expanses in relatively minimal time.



A lesser force reacting against the direction they were traveling in would effectly slow them down in space. Granted there is no friction, which lays claim that a much less amount of energy would be required to speed up and slow down.

But why would there be any lesser force opposing your motion, the idea of there being a small force that tends to oppose motion without actually interacting with matter violates relativity, and even Newtonian mechanics.




This is true theoretically, however you could not end up in a point in time outside your frame of current reference. Though this is technically traveling through time, it is limited travel.

Actually, if FTL really is possible, this should be able to be used to reach any point in spacetime


I recommend reading A Brief History of Time or The Universe In A Nutshell by Stephen Hawking, he explains things better...

[Rodan5757]

Yes, but it also should be noted that because of relativity, travelling >c in the conventional sense (ie excluding wormholes, beaming, or any onther instantaneous travel) would require an infinite amount of energy to even reach c.

It wouldn’t be an infinite amount of energy if you assume that >c is not a maximum speed. This assumption must be made to consider the many viable applications of quantum mechanics. When this assumption is then made the appropriate conceptual leaps could be made. The theory of relativity s based off of our modern day understanding of the universe. There are currently of theories that manipulate what the theory of relativity is, such as sring theory.


But why would there be any lesser force opposing your motion, the idea of there being a small force that tends to oppose motion without actually interacting with matter violates relativity, and even Newtonian mechanics.

A force created by an object is still a force in space. Was it every stated that >c travel in SG requires continues energy input?


Actually, if FTL really is possible, this should be able to be used to reach any point in spacetime

Should be able to be used in that way, but not restricted to use in that way. ;)

[jebus]

It wouldn’t be an infinite amount of energy if you assume that >c is not a maximum speed. This assumption must be made to consider the many viable applications of quantum mechanics. When this assumption is then made the appropriate conceptual leaps could be made. The theory of relativity s based off of our modern day understanding of the universe. There are currently of theories that manipulate what the theory of relativity is, such as sring theory.

Yes, I am aware that either relativity or quantum mechanics, or both must be an approximation, however, becasue of observations we have mmade involving relativity, it must be at least much closer approximation of the universe than Newtons Laws. Theories such as string theory still keep c as a maximum speed.



A force created by an object is still a force in space. Was it every stated that >c travel in SG requires continues energy input?
I'm about 90% sure that was stated in SG




Should be able to be used in that way, but not restricted to use in that way. ;)

Of corse you wouldnt be forced to use it to go back in time, but with SGtech, they should be able to use it for that easily, and to return to their own time, simply travel at near c, but still below..

[Jakebbq]

Silk is not a frictionless material, there is no such maaterial (or at least no known one), silk on silk just has a very low coefficient of friction

well i dont know that is just what my science teacher told me

[Rodan5757]

Yes, I am aware that either relativity or quantum mechanics, or both must be an approximation, however, becasue of observations we have mmade involving relativity, it must be at least much closer approximation of the universe than Newtons Laws. Theories such as string theory still keep c as a maximum speed.

In order to expand our understanding c must be kept to a constant speed, but not necessarily a maximum.


I'm about 90% sure that was stated in SG

If it was then you are 100% correct that constant power input would not be required.


Of corse you wouldnt be forced to use it to go back in time, but with SGtech, they should be able to use it for that easily, and to return to their own time, simply travel at near c, but still below..

Perhaps...although probably not easily. ;)

[runyon3je]

You guys do realize this is just a show and I dont think any of you are rocket scientists. So what a waste of time this is. Even if you figure it out it is still pointless, why dont you focus a little more energy on reality and work on solving a few real problems that pertain to this reality.:cameron:

[Rodan5757]

You guys do realize this is just a show and I dont think any of you are rocket scientists. So what a waste of time this is. Even if you figure it out it is still pointless, why dont you focus a little more energy on reality and work on solving a few real problems that pertain to this reality.:cameron:

How dare you be a member of Gateworld and claim that this be just a show!!! ;)

On a slightly more serious note, these questions do pertain to our reality. If one does not search for truth, one never finds it. Great minds once thought that the horse and buggy was the epitemy of modern technology and look where we are now. It is minds such as ours that lay forth the ground work for great scientists of the furture (i.e. us, not yet but, soon to be rocket scientists).

Do you really think that Einstein just crumbled up his theories and stated aloud, "enough of this nonsense, on to more important things." I think not!

[ek_elder_common]

well i am off to Embry-Riddle Aeronautics University in the fall to study

"advanced integrated propultion technologies and theory."

pretty much Better and faster ships and how to make them..

most of the ground work and theories are there...just need someone that understands and is inspired to reach toward it...and i like the post card thingy...most wouldnt understand what that ment but i found it amusing

oh and my father is a rocket scientist and he says "the posibilites are endless...as long as the universe is infinite, the speed of light is obtainable..." that is a joke he says..we used to say that FTL was imposible...now we know that it is possible just we cant focus enough energy to do it. at least not yet. (most should know that einstien said that "to achive light speed and infinite mouts of energy is needed..) and i know from an unnamed source that the US gov is building an ori-like satelite weapon they plan to launch before year end.

[TuT-AnKh-AtoN]

first: Hello! :)
Energy required for hyperspace.
As the asgard have the fastest engines the yneed the most power:
neutrino generators. as neutrinos are constantly produced in every sun (currently there are millions of neutrinos flying through your body)
by the fusion of hydrogen to helium by the equation:
1H+ + 1H+ ? 2H+ + e+ + ?e (means: two protons interact giving an deuterium (a neutron and a proton, stable isotope of Hydrogen) a positron and a electron-neutrino) they are quite a valuable source of power as they are avaiable all around in the usiverse (as they nearly never interact with normal materia, travel at near-lightspeed and are produced in enormous amounts). now if we assume that the asgard found out a way to get something to interact with these neutrinos, they have a constant source of energy by the equation:
e = m*c^2. witch tells us that 1 neutrino hase about 2 ev in energy if it's not travelling at a speed near c, witch it in fact does. so it has even more energy in it.
the goauld use some naquada thing but i have no idea how this is supposed to work, as naquada doesn't exist in real live.
the humans normally use a 0-point module so they are extracting energy from a little universe. (they seem to extract the basic energy of space that is there according to the heisenbergsche unschärfe relation(this is quantum physics, don't want to go any deeper there) this whole concept is also not very scientific so i can't explain this.

[freyr's mother]

32,000 times faster then light
and so on.

And I think hyperspace-speed is related to how much energy you put into the hyperspace window. I don't think the sublight engines has any part of it, since then the problem with c would still occur at high c.

Think of hyperspace a a apple, the more energy you put in the deeper into the apple you go, and hence has to travel a shorter distance around the core.

I think the hyperdrive is just a drive that allows you to access higher dimensions of subspace.

[Splitsecond]

Particles can travel faster than light, they do it all the time, they just have negative mass/energy or imaginary numbers, they are called imaginary particles and they are real-ish and everywhere.

Positive mass particles require greater kinetic energy to reach greater speeds, the amount of energy required for a given speed tends towards infinity as the speed tends towards the speed of light. Lengths in the direction of motion tend towards zero, time taken for a second to pass tends towards infinity and the mass of the particle tends towards infinity. If you gave a positive mass particle an infinite amount of kinetic energy it would collapse the universe onto itself in absolutely all time at all, but no matter, the universe will only be zero meters across, relatively speaking.

As for hyper-space it is a fictional alternate plane of reality where the speed of light is higher or distances are shorter, there is no other difference in terms of physical laws. The layout of hyper-space seems to match our own, one can map a position in hyper-space to a position in real space. The effective speed of light or length compression in a plane of hyper-space seems to be governed by the hyper-space window. Evidence from the show suggests that the hyper-space window requires continual power to maintain it and extends for a given range around the generator (the range is related to power consumption). If one exits the range of the window then one reverts to real space. A hyper-space window can therefore be treated as an area of space around the generator where the speed of light is higher or distances are shorter.

An interesting side note, warp is an area of space around a generator which is given a velocity relative to the space outside the warp bubble, space can have a velocity greater than the speed of light. Warp is more likely to happen than hyper-space.