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Anthro Girl
August 26th, 2004, 06:53 AM
And the winner is...


Bladerunner
(either version)

The Guardian interviewed 56 scientists, who voted Bladerunner as the "best science fiction film of all time."


Blade Runner (1982) [either version]
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Star Wars (1977) / The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Alien (1979)
Solaris (1972) [not the George Clooney version]

They also voted on the top sci-fi authors:

Isaac Asimov
John Wyndham
Fred Hyole
Philip K. Dick
HG Wells


See story here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1290823,00.html
or here (list of top ten):
http://film.guardian.co.uk/sciencefiction/story/0,15012,1291240,00.html
or here (with poll):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3600802.stm

I'm not so sure I would have put Bladerunner first, but it's certainly within my top ten, as are Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, 2001 and Alien. I haven't seen the 1972 Solaris, yet. Asimov, Dick and Wells are among my favorite authors, as well.

Daniel Jackson
August 26th, 2004, 07:02 AM
Star Was is fantasy and Alien is horror. How did these three films get voted as best sci-fi movies? :S

ibwolf
August 26th, 2004, 07:07 AM
First, Blade Runner "either version"??? The original cut was ... lacking, for the lack of a better word. The directors cut is also my own personal all time fav so I agree with that.

Star Wars is sorta fantasy scifi. I can live with it being here.

2001 is one of the dullest movies I've ever seen but the story is great. But I would recommend just reading the book :)

On the whole I agree with the movie list although I've not seen Solaris (only the remake). From what I've heard it makes 2001 seem action packed so I'm going to ignore it for now :)


As for the authors.

I've never read anything by John Wyndham or Fred Hyole. Ashimov was of course a shoe-in for the top spot, heartily agree but I feel that Arthur C. Clarke should have made the top 5 list.

Major Fischer
August 26th, 2004, 07:14 AM
Star Was is fantasy and Alien is horror. How did these three films get voted as best sci-fi movies? :S

While I agree that Star Wars is fantasy, Alien clearly fits in that genre. Besides, many movies fall across any number of genres.

ibwolf
August 26th, 2004, 07:22 AM
While I agree that Star Wars is fantasy, Alien clearly fits in that genre. Besides, many movies fall across any number of genres.

I agree on Alien. It is (to be specific) a SciFi/Thriller movie. There is no fantastic element. Star Wars is more of a fantasy but it's still in a bit of a grey area.

Anthro Girl
August 26th, 2004, 07:33 AM
Star Wars is scifi in the popular "If it's space travel or aliens, it's scifi" mindset. If you classify scifi as futuristic and/or centering around the use of technology, I guess it isn't, but I would also argue that that would be genre nitpicking. "Scifi/Fantasy" and "Scifi/Horror" are acceptable genres because so many films, books, etc. cross those lines.

Daniel Jackson
August 26th, 2004, 08:01 AM
While I agree that Star Wars is fantasy, Alien clearly fits in that genre. Besides, many movies fall across any number of genres.
How is Alien sci-fi? You have a ship with a crew of 7, and an alien that's trying to eat everyone. It's fiction, it's horror... where's the science involved? :S

ibwolf
August 26th, 2004, 08:06 AM
How is Alien sci-fi? You have a ship with a crew of 7, and an alien that's trying to eat everyone. It's fiction, it's horror... where's the science involved? :S

Well it is a SPACE ship. They also have an ANDRIOD. And the ship is also outfited with HYBERNATION units. None of these technologies exist today.

Major Fischer
August 26th, 2004, 08:11 AM
Well it is a SPACE ship. They also have an ANDRIOD. And the ship is also outfited with HYBERNATION units. None of these technologies exist today.

Not to mention they discover a new ALIEN race which gestates in the host body... ;)

Anthro Girl
August 26th, 2004, 08:23 AM
Not to mention they discover a new ALIEN race which gestates in the host body... ;)
That's not science. That's gooey biology...yet another sub-genre. :D

AgentX
August 26th, 2004, 08:52 AM
Good for Asimov. The Foundation Trilogy is ony of the best series' I have read, totally engrossing. I haven't read many books by the others, although I did read "The Chrysalids" by Wyndham and I didn't think it was all that special, quite boring actually.

aschen
August 26th, 2004, 08:56 AM
Everyone knows the best scifi movie ever is "Space Babe."

Anthro Girl
August 26th, 2004, 09:02 AM
I don't know about "Space Babe" (isn't that a genre?), but Space Truckers (http://imdb.com/title/tt0120199/) is most definitely a winner. :D

...Square Pigs...Square Pigs...

LordAnubis
August 26th, 2004, 11:55 AM
Star Was is fantasy and Alien is horror. How did these three films get voted as best sci-fi movies? :S
Sci-fi encompasses different subcategories too. You can have a sci-fi movie that is subcategorized as horror/drama/comedy/mystery/suspense/action/fanstasy. I'm not sure what the main elements of sci-fi are, but usually it involves space/aliens/high tech stuff. I think some stuff, like Jurassic Park, can be classified as sci-fi because they are works of fiction that involve a lot of science and technology.

Lord of the Rings is mythology/fantasy; it's not sci-fi. Star Wars could be mythology and fantasy, but since it's primary medium is technology (ships, lasers, lightsabers, Death Stars, droids), it's more sci-fi than fantasy/mythology. Alien involved an alien creature trapped on a spaceship, so it's also more sci-fi than horror. If the alien creature were trapped on an ocean cruise liner, than maybe it would be more horror, but since it's an alien and not some dude in a hockey mask with a big knife, it's more sci-fi than horror.

A lot of movies are hybrids of different genres. Like Lethal Weapon is primarily an action/adventure more with a large dose of comedy. Fifth Element is sci-fi with some mythology/theology thrown into it.

Mio
August 26th, 2004, 02:08 PM
I've never finished 2001, I found it boring and annoying.

Major Fischer
August 26th, 2004, 02:12 PM
I've never finished 2001, I found it boring and annoying.

The book is much better. And makes the twenty minutes of monkey action make sense ;) 2010 is a better movie (and i thought a better book as well). The only SciFi movie with slower pacing than 2001 though.... is Star Trek the Motion Picture ;)

Mio
August 26th, 2004, 02:34 PM
The book is much better. And makes the twenty minutes of monkey action make sense ;) 2010 is a better movie (and i thought a better book as well). The only SciFi movie with slower pacing than 2001 though.... is Star Trek the Motion Picture ;)
Only....because....it has....William..... Shatner.....In.... It.

Shipperahoy
August 26th, 2004, 02:54 PM
I think 2001 was a clever movie, better book though. And it was soooo slow. But Solaris was even slower. I haven't seen the Clooney version and don't really feel any urge too. And I do...mean....s..l..o..w....v..e..r..y....s..l..o..w.

*Thud*

Sorry that was me falling off my chair because I fell asleep just typing about that movie.

DownFallAngel
August 26th, 2004, 03:00 PM
Do you need a bandaid or anything shipper? yes? no?

How did the matrix 1 not make it up there? Or terminator 1 or 2?

Tok'Ra Hostess
August 26th, 2004, 03:58 PM
Star Was is fantasy and Alien is horror. How did these three films get voted as best sci-fi movies? :S

In an article AG linked to in her first post the reporter said the scientists chose SW for sentimental reasons, the science being "sketchy at best." (Non-existent, IMO :rolleyes: )

I wonder if they were presented with a limited choice or any sort of criteria. Gattaca should have made it to the top 10.

As for the authors... Wyndham and Hoyle, eh? Not bad, but, just how old were these scientists? :)

Bear, Benford, Brin - now these guys know how to write great science fiction! :)

Anthro Girl
August 26th, 2004, 04:33 PM
How did the matrix 1 not make it up there? Or terminator 1 or 2?
I only listed the top five. The rest of the top ten includes:

6. Terminator 2 (1984/T2: Judgement Day (1991) - called "incoherent fictional science"
7. The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
8. War of the Worlds (1953) - (made an even better radio show, IMO :D)
9. The Matrix (1999)
10. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)

Read the article at the Guardian. The definition of "scifi" being used is a broad one.

BTW, I have never seen Star Trek: The Motion Picture in one sitting. I always fall asleep. :cool: