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Skydiver
August 20th, 2004, 05:42 AM
Dear Stargate SG-1 fan,

We are pleased to announce that book two in the continuing series of
original Stargate SG-1 novels will be released next month (September
2004).

Written by Julie Fortune, Sacrifice Moon is set in season one of the
TV series.

For more information about Sacrifice Moon and a peak at the cover, go
to:

http://www.stargatenovels.com/

and click on the Books link.

[From the website: Set early in season one of the TV series,
Sacrifice Moon follows the adventures of Col Jack O'Neill as he leads
his new team on their first mission through the Stargate. ]

Thanks for your continuing interest and support.

Best regards,
Stargate Novels team
www.stargatenovels.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anyone know the author? With Doc, it was easy. I knew her and what she wrote. This lady, i'm not sure. And before I sink $20 into a book, I'd love some opinions.

When it comes out, anyone in the mood to post thier opinions of the book, and in the mean time, anyone read anything else by this person?

ibwolf
August 20th, 2004, 05:54 AM
I assume that Stargate novels, like most books based on TV series, are non-cannon?

I just don't see the point in reading non-cannon material. It just feels a bit pointless....

prion
August 20th, 2004, 06:30 AM
Alas, at $20 for a paperback, I'm not reading them until they hit the bargain basement bin at a convention or eBay. No, the paperback is cheaper. It's the shipping from the UK that's the killer.

Skydiver
August 20th, 2004, 07:50 AM
these are based on canon. that's the one requirement is that it has to fit within canon

I enjoyed Doc's book, Trial by Fire. It wasn't perfect and I had a few quibbles with it here and there, but over all, it was a good read.

Doc, however, was a known entity. This Julie person is totally unknown to me. I was wondering if someone else knew her, knew her work, and had any feelings on her writing

Skydiver
August 20th, 2004, 07:51 AM
I assume that Stargate novels, like most books based on TV series, are non-cannon?

I just don't see the point in reading non-cannon material. It just feels a bit pointless....

They fit in with canon. No, they're not of the show or ever going to be refered to on the show (that i know of anyway) but the requirement is that tehy need to fit in and not contradict what happens

ibwolf
August 20th, 2004, 07:57 AM
They fit in with canon. No, they're not of the show or ever going to be refered to on the show (that i know of anyway) but the requirement is that tehy need to fit in and not contradict what happens

To be canon, they must a) not contradict anything on the show and b) nothing on the show must ever contradict the books (this includes not ignoring, for example, new technology discovered in the books when it would be useful on the show). I know that's a high standard to meet, and I wouldn't mind some minor variation, but I just don't see the point of reading books that will not impact the actual story. Books that by their very definition can not ACTUALLY tell me anything new about the world. It's just pointless.

This is conclusion I came to after reading entirely too many Star Wars and Star Trek books and coming to the realization that none of it had anything to do with the 'real' fictional world of Star Wars and Star Trek.

Babylon 5 is to my knowledge the only show that has published cannon books (11 of 18 B5 books are considered cannon or at least mostly cannon).

prion
August 20th, 2004, 08:56 AM
these are based on canon. that's the one requirement is that it has to fit within canon

I enjoyed Doc's book, Trial by Fire. It wasn't perfect and I had a few quibbles with it here and there, but over all, it was a good read.

Doc, however, was a known entity. This Julie person is totally unknown to me. I was wondering if someone else knew her, knew her work, and had any feelings on her writing

Just google her name and stargate and you'll come up with links as she's published a ton of fanfic in several fandoms.

Skydiver
August 20th, 2004, 10:21 AM
Just google her name and stargate and you'll come up with links as she's published a ton of fanfic in several fandoms.


and????

I've never heard of her in the stargate fandom. I'm not likely to read stuff she's written in other fandoms because of cases like Ashley McConnell, who wrote decent Quantum Leap books but her stargate ones left a lot to be desired.

A person can be a very good writer in one fandom or with one set of characters and maybe not be as skilled with others. It'd be like getting Stephen King to write a romance novel. :)

I'm just curious. What do people think that have read her stuff?

Unlike Doc, she's an unknown quantity and I'm just wondering about her and her works and was wondering if anyone knew of her. I've been asking in other places as well and no one seems to know who she is

prion
August 20th, 2004, 11:24 AM
and????

I've never heard of her in the stargate fandom. I'm not likely to read stuff she's written in other fandoms because of cases like Ashley McConnell, who wrote decent Quantum Leap books but her stargate ones left a lot to be desired.

Unlike Doc, she's an unknown quantity and I'm just wondering about her and her works and was wondering if anyone knew of her. I've been asking in other places as well and no one seems to know who she is

See, for me, I have no idea who 'doc' is, so that person is an unknown quality. But for me, if I get eithe robok at say $7 a piece, I'll get 'em, but no way will I pay exhorbitant transAtlantic postage for a piece of fiction.

Skydiver
August 20th, 2004, 02:06 PM
See, for me, I have no idea who 'doc' is, so that person is an unknown quality. But for me, if I get eithe robok at say $7 a piece, I'll get 'em, but no way will I pay exhorbitant transAtlantic postage for a piece of fiction.


I thought everyone knew, or had heard of, Doc. She was a BNF way back in the beginning.

I remember a couple of years ago when her last story came out, For God and Country, several lists were buzzing about it for weeks and when her book was announced, again a dozen lists were full of posts.

Anytime any list does a 'favorite fic/authors' thread, her name and her stories are on it.

Ugly Pig
August 21st, 2004, 06:44 PM
So, it's about the first SG-1's first mission, huh? Obviously, this places it between 'The Enemy Within' and 'Emancipation'. Interesting.

Hey, I wonder if it will be about that time Sam drank that stuff which made her take off her...:eek:

keshou
August 22nd, 2004, 12:03 PM
When it comes out, anyone in the mood to post thier opinions of the book, and in the mean time, anyone read anything else by this person?
I've read one story by her - The Good Wife

http://home.comcast.net/~juliefortune/Stargate/goodwife.htm

It was a team story, pretty good characterization for Jack, Daniel and Sam (not much Teal'c), almost read like an early episode of the show. I don't know your preferences that well but using my vast powers of perception I think it might be a little too much "Daniel" for you. ;)

The Good Wife is kind of a typical "Daniel gets way too involved, gets whumped and then the team saves him and they go home". I liked it but I wasn't totally "wowed" by it. However I came away thinking she has a good handle on the team interactions and characterizations and a good feel for the Stargate world. There was some nice layers in the story that I really enjoyed. A story about the team's first mission thru the gate could be pretty entertaining.

You might try "The Good Wife". If it's not your cup of tea I think I'd probably wait until you get some feedback from someone whose judgement you trust before ordering the book. I've been thinking about ordering the first Stargate novel and I may just order both at once and I'll try and come back and give my thoughts. (If you're interested). I'd certainly be willing to lend the book out if I get it.

I would like to support the Stargate novel series since if they don't sell well in the U.K. it may mean we'll never get any in the U.S. either. I also think it's neat that they're selecting authors from the fanfic world and giving them a chance.

Julie Fortune may have gotten a nod because she's also a published author under other names. After researching around it looks like she's published a series of books under "Rachel Caine". Here's the link:
http://www.rachelcaine.com/index.html

Skydiver
August 22nd, 2004, 01:03 PM
You might try "The Good Wife". If it's not your cup of tea I think I'd probably wait until you get some feedback from someone whose judgement you trust before ordering the book. I've been thinking about ordering the first Stargate novel and I may just order both at once and I'll try and come back and give my thoughts. (If you're interested). I'd certainly be willing to lend the book out if I get it.

_____

It may not be my cup of tea. I wore out on Daniel whump about four years ago. :) And senseless Jack whump not long after.

And I would love to read what others think, not only of this book, but Trial by fire, Doc's book and the first in the series.

_____

I would like to support the Stargate novel series since if they don't sell well in the U.K. it may mean we'll never get any in the U.S. either. I also think it's neat that they're selecting authors from the fanfic world and giving them a chance.


____

Same here. I like to support them, and gladly paid for the first one since I knew Doc's works and had an idea what to expect. That was an easy choice to make since she was a known quantity to me.

I found Trial by Fire interesting. She did a lot of research and I even enjoyed her original character. It didn't wow me enough that I've re-read it like I have other fic. I sometimes found bits of it ponderous and a bit dull.

It was an enjoyable read and not a purchase that i regret.

And I also think that it's neat that they are choosing fanfic authors. There are some out there that are very good and it'd be nice to see a 'underground' phenomenon given some sort of 'official' status.

If the book was published in the US and only 5-7 dollars, it wouldn't be that big of a deal and not much of a risk to get it even if I didn't end up finishing it. However, the exchange rate makes this just a little more of a gamble.

I would welcome anyones opinions on either of the books. Good, bad, indifferent.

Matt G
August 22nd, 2004, 01:57 PM
Doc's doing one of these new SG novels?

keshou
August 22nd, 2004, 03:03 PM
Doc's doing one of these new SG novels?
Sabine Bauer, aka "Doc", wrote the very first SG novel, published in June. The title is Trial By Fire. (The second SG novel, by Julie Fortune, is due out in September.)

Go here for more details and a pic of the cover:
http://www.stargatenovels.com/bookshop.php

There's also a really good interview with Sabine Bauer about the book on the GW site:

http://www.gateworld.net/articles/interviews/bauer01.shtml

Skydiver
August 24th, 2004, 05:06 AM
i read doc's. It wasn't what i'd call perfect. I scanned a bit when it dragged, laughed out loud over other parts and had a few quibbles, but all in all, i found it a good read. I'm a fast reader and it took my about 2 days, reading off and on, to finish it.

Not good enough that i'm ready to read it a second time like I have other books or fic (I read David Edding's Belgariad and Mallorian about every 10 years or so and I've read Doc's 'the weather outside' about 4-5 times) but I found it to be worth the money and I don't regret getting it

Matt G
August 24th, 2004, 06:26 AM
Sabine Bauer, aka "Doc", wrote the very first SG novel, published in June. The title is Trial By Fire. (The second SG novel, by Julie Fortune, is due out in September.)

Go here for more details and a pic of the cover:
http://www.stargatenovels.com/bookshop.php

There's also a really good interview with Sabine Bauer about the book on the GW site:

http://www.gateworld.net/articles/interviews/bauer01.shtml

Put's 'Trial by Fire' on request list for fast approaching birthday!

prion
August 24th, 2004, 11:49 AM
[QUOTE=Skydiver]I thought everyone knew, or had heard of, Doc. She was a BNF way back in the beginning.

QUOTE]

Doesn't ring a bell being a BNF. Big Name Fan, for those who wonder what that acronym is.

Has she been in any other fandom?

Matt G
August 24th, 2004, 01:02 PM
She had an online fanzine running for a bit - 'Pink Khaki' was it?

Madeleine
August 24th, 2004, 01:17 PM
Pink Khaki was a different Doc. AKA Doc Selar, I think.

Skydiver
August 24th, 2004, 01:57 PM
Yeah that was a different doc

This doc had her fic at www.frondfic.com
then go to 'doc's surgery'

She wrote her last fanfic about 2 years ago i think

Albion
August 27th, 2004, 12:18 PM
After swearing I'd never buy another published fan novel again - I'll confess I was tempted with Trial by Fire and did succumb.

Generally when considering published novels, I feel gypped. No matter how good, no published novel is going to match the value for money of being able to read a hundred fanfic for a fraction of the price I paid for a book. And published fan novels usually leave me feeling something is just a little...off. A little wanting. Even the best of them, for me, are almost there but not quite.

I caved in on TBF because I'd just discovered Doc's fanfic and throughly enjoyed it and I was curious to see how she'd do with something published.

I did enjoy TBF, but I'd agree with previous posters. It was...okay, a good read, but not great. Certainly it didn't hold me enthralled as her fanfic had, but I do recognise that published novels restrict the author slightly, as they have to appeal to a broad mass of SG opinion and tastes. You can't indulge yourself as you can with fanfic. I think that's probably where I find them wanting actually, come to think of it. They are too broad for me, trying to appeal to the mass audience. To be truly satisfied by a SG story, it needs to cater more to my own tastes, concentrating more on character relationship than action adventure. And the latter is usually the criteria for published novels rather than the former. Although, having said that, I was pleasantly surprised by how much of the former Doc managed to include in her novel.

It made me laugh - especially Jack's interaction with the female archeologist, even if she was a bit of a steal from old Ealing Comedies and a bit of a caricature, but it dragged a bit for me in the middle. I thought most of the characterisations were very good and generally I'd recommend it as light reading if you're thinking about buying it. But I wouldn't read it a second time and I'd point you to Doc's fanfic first before recommending you shell out the cash.

I probably won't buy Sacrifice Moon. Mostly because TBF reinforced my opinion that fanfic is cheaper and more satisfying by far, than any published novel could ever be. Partly because I don't know this author. Although I will admit I'm very tempted to give it another try, given the summary on this one. Especially if it deals with that embarrassing incident with Sam and that drink. If it doesn't, the author's missed a big chance there, I think. It begs to be included really, doesn't it? <G>

So...conclusion. I probably won't go rushing to pre-order SM. But I might be tempted enough given the subject matter to look out for it as a secondhand buy.

Albion :)

Matt G
August 27th, 2004, 12:52 PM
Pink Khaki was a different Doc. AKA Doc Selar, I think.

And I put Trial by Fire on my birthday request list thinking that... :o :o ah well - it should still be enjoyable.

Jacksbabe
September 4th, 2004, 05:15 PM
Ok, has anyone actually tried to buy 'Sacrifice Moon' yet? I'm having no luck on the website, it just brings up 'Trail by Fire'!

keshou
September 4th, 2004, 05:29 PM
Ok, has anyone actually tried to buy 'Sacrifice Moon' yet? I'm having no luck on the website, it just brings up 'Trail by Fire'!
No, Sacrifice Moon isn't showing up on amazon.co.uk yet either.

But what is weird is there's now a Stargate novel on amazon.co.uk by the same publishers (Fandemonium) that is due out in October called "Matter of Honor" by Sally Malcolm.

Anyone know anything about this one???

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0954734327/026-5525722-3233247?%5Fencoding=UTF8

..............................

littleheaven
September 5th, 2004, 12:28 AM
Hi, I'm new here. New to the entire fandom, actually, but this seemed like a good and friendly place to start, forum-wise.

I am very familiar with Julie Fortune, and have read, I believe, all of her published Stargate fanifc. I also know her personally. She was responsible for getting me into the Stargate fandom. So obviously, I will be buying Sacrifice Moon. I've read the opening few pages on her live journal and found it to be engaging, funny, excellent Jack-voice. One of the things I value when I read show-based fiction is excellent characterization and plotting. I need to feel like I'm watching an episode. I get that with Julie's stories.

The Good Wife is a Daniel-centric story. However she has other work that is Sam-centric, Jack-centric... I particularly enjoyed The Little Things and The Undefended Territory, which were published in the Redemption 'zines (details on Julie's website).

Obviously, yes, I have a personal bias, but I have to say I was drawn to Julie originally because of her writing (in the Angel fandom). Personally, I would recommend anything she has written.

For those looking for the book, I believe it will be available closer to the end of Semptember / beginning of October.