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Admiral Mappalazarou
August 16th, 2006, 03:25 AM
The Ori vs The Borg.

The Ori could send their followers to get the Borg, but then they'd get assimilated and that'd be it...

Imagine a Bord-Prior? (sharp indiscrete slightly sexy whistle)

metabog
August 16th, 2006, 05:02 AM
Welll the borg are immensely powerful but they get owned whenever they meet a new type of race, with otherworldly powers. I mean species 8472 almost wiped them all out. I think the Ori would be very resilient. Plus the Ori aren't really... people, they are ascended. The borg would have to ascend as well... and you see where I'm going.

SoulReaver
August 16th, 2006, 06:02 AM
I think he was talking Borg vs. Ori on the mortal plane not the ascended realm/continuum whatever

Borg might be able to adapt to the Ori cannons but then again they've had trouble in the past adapting to tech superior to their own (8472)

they might also be able to analyze & adapt their weapons to pierce through Ori ship shields but something tells me this won't be as easy as when they faced their enemies in the ST universe... more likely those ORI shields would easily hold their own against borg disruptors, even 8472 bioguns for that matter


IMO the borg would be pwned

Lord of Nightmares
August 16th, 2006, 06:22 AM
Against the Ori proper, anyone who thinks the Borg even stand a chance better lay off the funny-colored pills.

Against their worshippers, they might be able to assimilate large numbers of them in direct physical combat, though it'll be tougher with the Priors, who'd most likely decimate throngs of them before being taken down (if at all), unless the Borg are able to develop their own Prior disruptor (whereupon the Prior's toast).

As far as ship battles go, I suspect the Ori battlecruiser's main beam weapon would punch a large enough hole right through a Borg cube that it wouldn't be able to repair itself (if there's even anything left), letalone adapt. I doubt a cube's main energy weapons would be particularly effective against the battlecruiser's shields, although I do wonder if the Borg might still be able to somehow beam themselves aboard the ship in order to take it out from within.

Buba uognarf
August 16th, 2006, 09:23 AM
The ori would be assimilated (their followers) the borg have thousands of cubes not to mention spheres and other ships....once the borg adapt the ori weapons would be useless

Adrian_KRAZY
August 16th, 2006, 10:01 AM
The borg would wipe out the ori. There are millions of borg cubes out there they would adapt shelds and wipe them out. Sg1 will eventually wipe out the ori.

nc-1701D
August 16th, 2006, 11:24 AM
It would be a long and nasty war but the Borg would evenualy crush the Ori. Raw numbers and the Borg ability to adapt would bring the war into their favor.

SoulReaver
August 16th, 2006, 12:02 PM
It would be a long and nasty war but the Borg would evenualy crush the Ori. Raw numbers and the Borg ability to adapt would bring the war into their favor.They can't adapt to everything - for example they were powerless against the 8472 bioship guns, Starfleet's transphasic torpedos etc

Buba uognarf
August 16th, 2006, 12:13 PM
They can't adapt to everything - for example they were powerless against the 8472 bioship guns, Starfleet's transphasic torpedos etc

they pretty much can...they said in the voyager episode that the borg would eventually adapt and they were slowly adapting to 8472 as the episode progressed the borg ships were able to withstand more hits...

for example in the opening sequence cubes were destroyed in a couple of hits later on it takes several to destroy them...

and thats if the borg even need to adapt in the first place borg cubes are immensely powerful

SoulReaver
August 16th, 2006, 12:38 PM
they pretty much can...they said in the voyager episode that the borg would eventually adapt and they were slowly adapting to 8472 as the episode progressed the borg ships were able to withstand more hits...

for example in the opening sequence cubes were destroyed in a couple of hits later on it takes several to destroy them...Not sure about that - depends on the power output of the bioguns - for example during Voyager's first encounter with 8472 the bioship fired a "test shot" at voyager and the shields apparently held with little to no damage on the ship (it only seemed to knock it off course) and Voyager was able to engage its warp drive & escape.
It was probably a pot shot meant to test Voyager's defensive capabilities

2nd time a bioship fired on Voyager: was while it was escorting the cube - one shot & both shields and weapons went offline

3rd time: in fluidic space: one of the 4 bioships fired once at voyager, even worse, shields & weapons offline, main power went down (they had to reroute auxiliary power to be able to fire the nanoprobe torpedos)


As for the bioguns vs borg shields, notice that right at the beginning of part 1 it tooks 2 or 3 shots to destroy a cube (with the 3rd shot being fully powered)

In part 2, right after Chakotay tells (an unconscious) Janeway he intends to change the deal with the borg (and just before the borg take control of Voyager & take it into 8472 space), we see several bioships exiting a singularity, and 2 of them fire 1 shot each at a cube, destroying it. Again, only 2 shots are needed, the shots were probably fully powered.



besides the borg themselves told the crew that the war would eventually be lost (borg cube to Janeway: "our space is vast - your passage would take too much time" and 7/9 to Chakotay: "latest statistical projections indicate that the war will be lost by then") which implies that they knew they had no chance of adapting to 8472.

The situation was quite simple actually - the Borg may have been the most advanced race in the galaxy but this enemy was from another universe and it clearly had superior tech

Bragi
August 16th, 2006, 01:41 PM
Can't we just say that Kirk gets the green woman, Sheppard gets the purple woman and call it a night?

Seriously, what's with all this comparing two different shows, with different laws of physics, which take place at different times?

nc-1701D
August 16th, 2006, 01:46 PM
Not sure about that - depends on the power output of the bioguns - for example during Voyager's first encounter with 8472 the bioship fired a "test shot" at voyager and the shields apparently held with little to no damage on the ship (it only seemed to knock it off course) and Voyager was able to engage its warp drive & escape.
It was probably a pot shot meant to test Voyager's defensive capabilities

2nd time a bioship fired on Voyager: was while it was escorting the cube - one shot & both shields and weapons went offline

3rd time: in fluidic space: one of the 4 bioships fired once at voyager, even worse, shields & weapons offline, main power went down (they had to reroute auxiliary power to be able to fire the nanoprobe torpedos)


As for the bioguns vs borg shields, notice that right at the beginning of part 1 it tooks 2 or 3 shots to destroy a cube (with the 3rd shot being fully powered)

In part 2, right after Chakotay tells (an unconscious) Janeway he intends to change the deal with the borg (and just before the borg take control of Voyager & take it into 8472 space), we see several bioships exiting a singularity, and 2 of them fire 1 shot each at a cube, destroying it. Again, only 2 shots are needed, the shots were probably fully powered.



besides the borg themselves told the crew that the war would eventually be lost (borg cube to Janeway: "our space is vast - your passage would take too much time" and 7/9 to Chakotay: "latest statistical projections indicate that the war will be lost by then") which implies that they knew they had no chance of adapting to 8472.

The situation was quite simple actually - the Borg may have been the most advanced race in the galaxy but this enemy was from another universe and it clearly had superior tech

You're right however it was stated thet the reason was because they were unable to assimilate species 8472 because of a gene that resisted it. Thus they were unable to assimilate any severly restricting their ability to adapt. No such defence for the Ori even if the Priors can't be assimilated they can assimilate the human folowers. Giving them theier knowledge and allowing them to adapt. Think Lokutus

SoulReaver
August 16th, 2006, 02:14 PM
You're right however it was stated thet the reason was because they were unable to assimilate species 8472 because of a gene that resisted it. Thus they were unable to assimilate any severly restricting their ability to adapt. No such defence for the Ori even if the Priors can't be assimilated they can assimilate the human folowers. Giving them theier knowledge and allowing them to adapt. Think Lokutusyup they were unable to assimilate the aliens because of their superstrong immune system that destroyed the nanoprobes before assimilation could take place - however the borg don't always need to assimilate in order to adapt - they also have the ability to "analyze & adapt", for example they fared quite well against Starfleet weapons. Assimilation allows them to acquire all of a species' tech (actually it's their only means of learning new stuff)

Agreed IF they could assimilate a prior they would acquire ancient tech - they'd become practically invincible. But that's a big if

SoulReaver
August 16th, 2006, 02:18 PM
Seriously, what's with all this comparing two different shows, with different laws of physics, which take place at different times?bah, for starters it's the same galaxy, and besides seriousness is irrelevant: the 2 shows themselves are fiction so what's the harm in merging two fictions into a third, more "fictitious" fiction, eh? http://img.presence-pc.com/forum/images/perso/lol2.gif

PG15
August 16th, 2006, 02:24 PM
Not really. We lowly humans was able to incapacitate a Prior, I'm sure the Borg can.

Then in goes the nanoprobes, and any power that the Ori had in our reality will soon be history.

And then the Ori wipes the Borg out with their minds. :p

Buba uognarf
August 16th, 2006, 02:27 PM
Not really. We lowly humans was able to incapacitate a Prior, I'm sure the Borg can.

Then in goes the nanoprobes, and any power that the Ori had in our reality will soon be history.

And then the Ori wipes the Borg out with their minds. :p

Not if the borg ascend:thoranime09:

then resistence really would be futile for everyone

SoulReaver
August 16th, 2006, 02:39 PM
hehe - actually if the borg ascended they wouldn't need to assimilate any more races since they'll have acquired "supreme" knowledge, which seems to be their prime directive...so chances are they'd actually leave the mortals alone :|

nunuu
August 16th, 2006, 02:49 PM
Methinks the Ori would win cuz they could probably find a way to mess around with the Borg making it impossible for them to assimilate their followers. (I doubt the Borg would be able to assimilate energy beings. :P)

And you know, if anything, I think it'd be more fair to compare the Borg against the Replicators or those ones from Atlantis. Yeah, the Borg have organic parts to them but they are so SO robotic in nature.

Buba uognarf
August 16th, 2006, 02:52 PM
hehe - actually if the borg ascended they wouldn't need to assimilate any more races since they'll have acquired "supreme" knowledge, which seems to be their prime directive...so chances are they'd actually leave the mortals alone :|

Lo they'd be peacefull...but ascention doesn't give you all knowledge, though i have a vivid image of a borg trying to asimilate an ascended ancient...

"we are the borg resistence is futile..."
"...peaceful coexistence is the path to true enlightenment"
"prepare to be assimilated..."

'puff'

borg turns into pure light and ascends to pick daisys on the higher plains of exsistence

SoulReaver
August 16th, 2006, 02:55 PM
if the borg & replicators are equivalent tech-wise (a reasonable assumption, IMO) then the borg would surely be scr*wed

Replicators were shown to be more advanced than any other race except the ancients. They've repeatedly adapted to Goauld & even Asgard tech, yet they were completely unable to adapt to the Ancient anti-replicator disruptor and had to trick SG1 into revealing the data so they could make the appropriate self-modifications

SoulReaver
August 16th, 2006, 02:58 PM
Lo they'd be peacefull...but ascention doesn't give you all knowledge, though i have a vivid image of a borg trying to asimilate an ascended ancient...

"we are the borg resistence is futile..."
"...peaceful coexistence is the path to true enlightenment"
"prepare to be assimilated..."

'puff'

borg turns into pure light and ascends to pick daisys on the higher plains of exsistencehttp://img.presence-pc.com/forum/icones/smilies/non.gif

we are the borg
we do not interfere
insistence is futile

They'd leave us alone -)

SoulReaver
August 16th, 2006, 02:59 PM
I agree though that ascension does not grant "total" knowledge otherwise they'd be fully indestructible and Merlin's weapon would be useless (although we still don't know if the weapon truly kills them)

Buba uognarf
August 16th, 2006, 03:10 PM
we are the borg
we do not interfere
insistence is futile

They'd leave us alone -)

lol yeah thats much better....

the borg have more ships and can adapt far faster than the ori if they'd even need to...ori get blown to atoms...

NotANumber
August 16th, 2006, 04:39 PM
Ignoring the way that Voyager destroyed the Borg mythos (so just taking TNG into account) I'd say that the Boyg would defeat the Ori. If the Ori really are dependent on their followers' worship for their power, then presumably the more people the Borg assimilate the weaker the Ori become.

Though it's also possible that the assimilation of a follower or a prior, and the introduction of 'Origin' could have major consequences for the Borg collective.

PG15
August 16th, 2006, 06:30 PM
I very much doubt a religion (Origin) will affect the Borg.

rarocks24
August 16th, 2006, 08:59 PM
The Borg. Those ingenious folk will do whatever it takes to meet their goals...or wait, are those Slytherins.

:P

Admiral Mappalazarou
August 17th, 2006, 01:12 AM
I'm still unsure - probably the Borg, but then again are we talking the scary Borg from The Next Generation or the wussy Borg from Voyager - coz if so The Ori would eat them......whole.

khfan2
April 23rd, 2008, 10:42 PM
I think the that the Ori will win. Not only will they win but they will dominate the the Borg collective. The ramifictions are staggering. The Ori will no longer need the the belief of ORIGIN, because they will have billions upon billions of follwers who will be forced to accept them as gods. Priors will be able to assimilate from a distance taking control of whole fleets and commanding them to come to the borg. the ONLY defence would be the assistance of the Ancients. Merlin was able to shield Daniel Jackson's mind from Adria, So i belive that the Ancients might be able to collectively protect the free peoples of the galaxy. However I don't see an effective OFFENSE. the Ark of Truth would be ineffective. So i don't Know what would haapen after that. This new collective of Borg and Ori would be called.... the ORG

kali1
April 23rd, 2008, 11:03 PM
The borg would wipe out the ori. There are millions of borg cubes out there they would adapt shields and wipe them out. Sg1 will eventually wipe out the ori.

I agree.....the Borg would definitely win.

QuantumDragon
April 27th, 2008, 01:19 AM
imo the borg would pile thousands upon thousands of drones onto a prior until they figured out how to overcome the psionics

then what? psionic borg?

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