Ori and not ascended

[Moredread]

What if the Ori are not ascended but are some other form of being. The Ori are similar to the wraith in that they feed off of the life essence of their followers. It is possible that they are a level beyond ascension. It would be interesting if the Ori weren't really ascended like the ancients but something infinitely more evil.

The evidence that the Ori are not ascended (they are some other higher order being):
(1) Ori choose to exist (or choose to exist in the flames of enlightenment) in the same plane as there followers.
(2) The flames of enlightenment are accessible to the Ori followers. The Ancients are innacessible to preascended beings.
(3) The Ori existing within the flames of enlightenment are a different type of higher order being.
(4) Ori have a different manifestation color from the ascended Ancients.
(5) Ascension is living on another innaccesible plane of existence.
(6) There are different levels of ascension. Anubis was only half ascended.
(7) There are possibly more Ori than Ancients who are ascended.
(8) The ancients gained there power by having other beings ascended with them whereas the Ori keep power to themselves because they have enough numbers to not need to share it.
(9) Sharing Ascension with others lessons your power. In the Ori view never share power with others.
(10) The Ori never take human form like the ancients but instead posess the Doci or the Prior.
(11) Ori ascension is not the same as Ancient ascension because it has a different ideology.
(12) The Ori prior was able to convert Gerak without going to the actual flames of enlightenment. The ancients didn't interfere with Gerak's conversion.
(13) The black being that the Ancients in Atlantis were studying is similar to half ascended Anubis. The Ancients only had half the equation for escension.
(14) Ascension is not nessecary for infinite knowledge.
(15) Ori make Origin accessible to there followers by providing access to the flames of enlightenment.
(16) Ascension is a form or state of energy that lower level beings transition into higher level beings.
(17) The Ori may have a much different energy state than the ascended Ancients.
(18) There might be something beyond ascension.
(19) Beings or lifeforms exist as energy and it is this energy that allows them to ascend or allows the Ori to feed off of there followers.
(20) The Ori view enlightenment as a form of ascension. Enlightenment does not provide all of the powers of ascension only the ones that the Ori provide.
(21) Daniel Jackson tried to intervene against Anubis but Oma Disala could not. Maybe the Ancients didn't want Daniel Jackson caught in an endless war with Anubis.
(22) Ascended higher order beings have a code of war and battle that they must obey.
(23) Ascended beings can not just fight other ascended beings.

It is possible that the ancients were not the first to ascend in the galaxy. It's possible that this is the reason for the non intervention. Maybe the first ascended beings want non intervention and there are so few ancients that they can't intervene. Maybe the dark entity being was an pre ascended Ori that they were studying.

What really is the flames of enlightenment? It is a mystical place that contains an eternal fire that contains the essence of the Ori? Maybe the flames of enlightenment exist in a paralell dimension to reallity and when Daniel and Vala are taken there it is to an alternate dimension.

[B O Y S C O U T]

Hmmmmmmm... interesting thoughts... But I think you will find that they are just ascended beings who choose to manifest themselves as fire in Celestis.

[GreyFox]

interesting but debunked in 4th horseman by orlin ori are ascended

[ablevins425]

What if the Ori are not ascended but are some other form of being. The Ori are similar to the wraith in that they feed off of the life essence of their followers. It is possible that they are a level beyond ascension. It would be interesting if the Ori weren't really ascended like the ancients but something infinitely more evil.

The evidence that the Ori are not ascended (they are some other higher order being):
(1) Ori choose to exist (or choose to exist in the flames of enlightenment) in the same plane as there followers.
(2) The flames of enlightenment are accessible to the Ori followers. The Ancients are innacessible to preascended beings.
(3) The Ori existing within the flames of enlightenment are a different type of higher order being.
(4) Ori have a different manifestation color from the ascended Ancients.
(5) Ascension is living on another innaccesible plane of existence.
(6) There are different levels of ascension. Anubis was only half ascended.
(7) There are possibly more Ori than Ancients who are ascended.
(8) The ancients gained there power by having other beings ascended with them whereas the Ori keep power to themselves because they have enough numbers to not need to share it.
(9) Sharing Ascension with others lessons your power. In the Ori view never share power with others.
(10) The Ori never take human form like the ancients but instead posess the Doci or the Prior.
(11) Ori ascension is not the same as Ancient ascension because it has a different ideology.
(12) The Ori prior was able to convert Gerak without going to the actual flames of enlightenment. The ancients didn't interfere with Gerak's conversion.
(13) The black being that the Ancients in Atlantis were studying is similar to half ascended Anubis. The Ancients only had half the equation for escension.
(14) Ascension is not nessecary for infinite knowledge.
(15) Ori make Origin accessible to there followers by providing access to the flames of enlightenment.
(16) Ascension is a form or state of energy that lower level beings transition into higher level beings.
(17) The Ori may have a much different energy state than the ascended Ancients.
(18) There might be something beyond ascension.
(19) Beings or lifeforms exist as energy and it is this energy that allows them to ascend or allows the Ori to feed off of there followers.
(20) The Ori view enlightenment as a form of ascension. Enlightenment does not provide all of the powers of ascension only the ones that the Ori provide.
(21) Daniel Jackson tried to intervene against Anubis but Oma Disala could not. Maybe the Ancients didn't want Daniel Jackson caught in an endless war with Anubis.
(22) Ascended higher order beings have a code of war and battle that they must obey.
(23) Ascended beings can not just fight other ascended beings.

It is possible that the ancients were not the first to ascend in the galaxy. It's possible that this is the reason for the non intervention. Maybe the first ascended beings want non intervention and there are so few ancients that they can't intervene. Maybe the dark entity being was an pre ascended Ori that they were studying.

What really is the flames of enlightenment? It is a mystical place that contains an eternal fire that contains the essence of the Ori? Maybe the flames of enlightenment exist in a paralell dimension to reallity and when Daniel and Vala are taken there it is to an alternate dimension.

Why don't they just go back with a big honkin fire hose, and put out the fire??

[The Doctor]

Because it isn't actual fire, it's just how the Ori choose to appear. Much like the Ancients appear as white clouds of energy.

[dmayor09]

if the ori were on a higher plane than the ancients, then the ancients wouldn't have been able to hide from them for so long. the ancients show in forms of light, i think light is far older than fire in response to the appearance representing their level. And i'm pretty sure somewhere i read that the ancients did outnumber the ori, but that wouldn't matter b/c its a shared power. Just b/c the ori don't take form but possess people doesn't make them more powerful. I just think that MoreDread statements as a whole aren't justified.

[LORD MONK]

Not reprisenting there level but more or less where they are coming from. If they live a morbid life then red, follow me or die. Ancients are white because they are good and don't do that, free will.

[JanusAncient]

White does not mean good, you can just toss that idea right out of the bag. The Ori look as fire because like Daniel said, "fire in light, energy, warmth." It hasn't a thing to do with their temperament. They chose that, or it was probably chosen for them long before the split, when the first Alteran ascended. The Ancient's chose their form in the same manner. We know all to well that the Ancient's are far from good, they don't interfere, but they would have no problem killing, or letting someone, even an entire galaxy die.

[Sauron18]

I've been wondering, just what do ascended beings do?

I mean, being enlightened and knowledgable seems nice and all, but what do they actually do?

[the fifth man]

I've been wondering, just what do ascended beings do?

I mean, being enlightened and knowledgable seems nice and all, but what do they actually do?

I've often wondered that too. We should get a "Day in the life of an Ascended Being.." episode sometime down the road or something.

[Mitchell82]

I've often wondered that too. We should get a "Day in the life of an Ascended Being.." episode sometime down the road or something.

Great idea "A day in the life of Oma Desalla"!

[Frunk]

I've been wondering, just what do ascended beings do?

I mean, being enlightened and knowledgable seems nice and all, but what do they actually do?

The entire universe > Reality TV.

[JanusAncient]

They have the diner, and the Ascended Times, it's probably like a permanent vacation, they do what they want to. Travel to distant galaxies, play with the weather, uproot tree's, maybe they have ascended monopoly, where the pieces are members of races they've learned about.

[danmcken]

they will be spending there time researching how to ascend to a higer level as they did before ascending

[IcyNeko]

(1) Ori choose to exist (or choose to exist in the flames of enlightenment) in the same plane as there followers.

Oma Desala, Shifu, Orlin

(2) The flames of enlightenment are accessible to the Ori followers. The Ancients are innacessible to preascended beings.

Kheb

(3) The Ori existing within the flames of enlightenment are a different type of higher order being.

You don't know this.

(4) Ori have a different manifestation color from the ascended Ancients.

So did Anubis. ZOMG!

(5) Ascension is living on another innaccesible plane of existence.

And this prevents them from visiting lowers.. how? They could just choose to constantly physically manifest. Especially since they're lording over their followers like they are, instead of seeking more truth like the Ancients do.

(6) There are different levels of ascension. Anubis was only half ascended.

MOre like half-descended. But he's still ascended.

(7) There are possibly more Ori than Ancients who are ascended.

So? This is probably the worst reason EVAR. You know how many people Oma ascended?

(8) The ancients gained there power by having other beings ascended with them whereas the Ori keep power to themselves because they have enough numbers to not need to share it.

You don't know that the ancients gain more power with more ascended beings. They're more than likely building a bigger community of knowledge-seekers. That's what Ancients do. If Ancients wanted more power, they would sap life from their followers like the Ori.

(9) Sharing Ascension with others lessons your power. In the Ori view never share power with others.

Again, you don't know this. This is an ass-umption. They "share" their power because once you are ascended, you have access to as much knowledge as is out there. Knowledge is power. With knowledge, you can use ascended powers. YOu can fight against other ascended beings. YOu can ascend other people to join your cause. By blocking ascension from their devout followers, the Ori make sure that the devout never find out that they've been lied to, and also that they never have the power to fight back.

(10) The Ori never take human form like the ancients but instead posess the Doci or the Prior.

Why would they have to? It's a means of suppression. If people see that their Gods look like them, it inspires hope of one day being like them. But as long as you don't know what your gods look like, you are held in more terror about their powers.

(11) Ori ascension is not the same as Ancient ascension because it has a different ideology.

Ascension is Ascension is AScension is Ascension is AScension. Many ways to do it, but in the end it's still the same. Shifu once told Daniel about the many roads to get to a destination, and that the roads will meet, etc and so forth. Spirituality (in the Ori sense) is just another path to ascension.

(12) The Ori prior was able to convert Gerak without going to the actual flames of enlightenment. The ancients didn't interfere with Gerak's conversion.

KINDA HELPS THAT GAREK WAS IN THE ORI GALAXY, DOESN'T IT? ZOMG ZOMG ZGOM.

(13) The black being that the Ancients in Atlantis were studying is similar to half ascended Anubis. The Ancients only had half the equation for escension.

Don't bring unrelated things into your flawed understanding.

(14) Ascension is not nessecary for infinite knowledge.

This isn't a point to your argument. Thanks for stating the obvious. Hey, the sky's blue. Did you know? Now you do!

(15) Ori make Origin accessible to there followers by providing access to the flames of enlightenment.

The Ori make Origin accessible through the book of Origin. People only go to the flames to become Priors, or be interogated by the Doci.

(16) Ascension is a form or state of energy that lower level beings transition into higher level beings.

That's a byproduct, not the whole goal.

(17) The Ori may have a much different energy state than the ascended Ancients.

They're still on the same plane of existence. What's your point?

(18) There might be something beyond ascension.

AND???

(19) Beings or lifeforms exist as energy and it is this energy that allows them to ascend or allows the Ori to feed off of there followers.

AND?????????

(20) The Ori view enlightenment as a form of ascension. Enlightenment does not provide all of the powers of ascension only the ones that the Ori provide.

Enlightenment is what the Ancients sought as well. IN fact, teh Ori mention that this over and over and voer and over and over. THe Ori claim that the Ancients prevent people from knowing abotu enlightenment (through the non-interference policy). BUt they both seek enlightenment. WHY ELSE WAS KHEB THERE? DERrewrethfbg

(21) Daniel Jackson tried to intervene against Anubis but Oma Disala could not. Maybe the Ancients didn't want Daniel Jackson caught in an endless war with Anubis.

MAYBE THERE IS A NON-INTERFERENCE POLICY? ZOMG I WATCH STARGATE!

(22) Ascended higher order beings have a code of war and battle that they must obey.

THEY WHAT???

(23) Ascended beings can not just fight other ascended beings.

You don't know this. Period. The "others" may have prevented Oma from outright destroying Anubis, but there's no place where it says "one ascended being cannot destroy another".

Einstein's theory of energy conservation states that the amount of energy in the universe is constant. That means that in order to kill an ascended being, whom has an appearance of energy, is to either drain the energy away and use it somewhere or to cancel it out.

At any rate, your arguments, towards teh end, got very irrational and had little to do with your original statement. And you stated the obvious. Your arguments fail at lief, sir.